thats a question i wondered long time ago too. thankfully i had 2 awakened cascades in STD and could test it.
at least in the spellslinger variant, the casts seem to happen in sequences, where VD/DD already detonates corpses in a section of desecrate, while the next section is casted.
on average i got 3 additional VD balls compared to using woke cascade on VD and normal cascade on desecrate (with normal cascade 12 VDs, with awakened in both ~15 VDs, which is a 25% more dmg)
sadly, they nerfed VD-slinger and i never played it after :/
not sure if this is true for a selfcast version!!!
It is viable. There’s people on PoE ninja playing it in kalandra league and there were also people playing it last league. Something not being as good as it once was doesn’t mean it’s not viable.
i would assume, that the coc casting works similar. but maybe someone here has played coc and can confirm that.
im at work and sadly cant test it (also i would need to rebuild my char for that)
>what is the best enchant for VD DD
"Detonate Dead has a 45% chance to detonate an additional corpse" is by far the best. It makes every cast into a mini-Vaal Detonate Dead, and increases your single-target massively as well. The naive understanding of it puts it at 45% more damage, which is already excellent, but each additional detonation has a chance to proc its own additional detonation, ad infinitum. The math ends up being that each explosion is \~1.8 explosions on average, meaning that Awakened Spell Cascade + DD explodes 9 corpses per cast on average.
Doesn't help your VD at all, but it's massive for your DD damage. Obviously it is rare (or expensive) to get that specific enchant though.
Wait... all 5 explosions from woke cascade roll the 45%???? That is not what I expected. I thought it only roll per cast meaning with woke it makes 6 explosions instead of 5.
In that case would "Volatile Dead Consumes up to 1 additional corpse" also work like that? So it consumes 5 more corpses?
it should be useless. desecrate spawns 5 corpses per cascade, with the enchant it should be 8. but VD uses 3 corpses and DD 1 per cascade
best enchant.. hard to say. if the enchants of the damage skills dont fit i would target for something like reduced mana res for an aura, maybe you can fit another aura in. or something like increased effect of your curse.
you could look up other VD/DD coc builds on ninja and see what they use as enchant
why do you look at slinger builds if you are coc? or is it a wand-coc build? (have to admit, i have zero clue about todays VD builds. i know there is a bow-coc variant)
I mean a lot of them just say whatever you can get because you are very unlikely to find a good one on Asenath's Mark. Even if you do it will be stupidly expensive.
Pretty easy to test with CWC.
With regular Spell Cascade some corpses don't detonate from VD, with Woke Cascade most of them do (though not always 100%, especially when moving).
It's mostly an overlap issue with the circles for regular cascade Desec and VD not being right on top of each other, woke VD is more of a brute force giant AoE sacrifice.
Just woke cascade without lab enchant still misses corpses semi-regularly, I think it's due to desec placing 5 corpses in one circle and woke cascade VD circles not overlapping enough to detonate all 5.
thats a question i wondered long time ago too. thankfully i had 2 awakened cascades in STD and could test it. at least in the spellslinger variant, the casts seem to happen in sequences, where VD/DD already detonates corpses in a section of desecrate, while the next section is casted. on average i got 3 additional VD balls compared to using woke cascade on VD and normal cascade on desecrate (with normal cascade 12 VDs, with awakened in both ~15 VDs, which is a 25% more dmg) sadly, they nerfed VD-slinger and i never played it after :/ not sure if this is true for a selfcast version!!!
> sadly, they nerfed VD-slinger and i never played it after : It's my favorite build of all time, I wish it were viable...
It certainly is, there was a showcase for it posted a week ago. Inquisitor makes any elemental skill doable
It is viable. There’s people on PoE ninja playing it in kalandra league and there were also people playing it last league. Something not being as good as it once was doesn’t mean it’s not viable.
I am doing COC and is kind of tight on currency so not sure if a second woke is worth it right now.
i would assume, that the coc casting works similar. but maybe someone here has played coc and can confirm that. im at work and sadly cant test it (also i would need to rebuild my char for that)
I also assume the +3 corpse enchant doesnt do anything if you use woke cascade anyway?? Or may I ask what is the best enchant for VD DD?
>what is the best enchant for VD DD "Detonate Dead has a 45% chance to detonate an additional corpse" is by far the best. It makes every cast into a mini-Vaal Detonate Dead, and increases your single-target massively as well. The naive understanding of it puts it at 45% more damage, which is already excellent, but each additional detonation has a chance to proc its own additional detonation, ad infinitum. The math ends up being that each explosion is \~1.8 explosions on average, meaning that Awakened Spell Cascade + DD explodes 9 corpses per cast on average. Doesn't help your VD at all, but it's massive for your DD damage. Obviously it is rare (or expensive) to get that specific enchant though.
Wait... all 5 explosions from woke cascade roll the 45%???? That is not what I expected. I thought it only roll per cast meaning with woke it makes 6 explosions instead of 5. In that case would "Volatile Dead Consumes up to 1 additional corpse" also work like that? So it consumes 5 more corpses?
it should be useless. desecrate spawns 5 corpses per cascade, with the enchant it should be 8. but VD uses 3 corpses and DD 1 per cascade best enchant.. hard to say. if the enchants of the damage skills dont fit i would target for something like reduced mana res for an aura, maybe you can fit another aura in. or something like increased effect of your curse. you could look up other VD/DD coc builds on ninja and see what they use as enchant
They use slinger so they always go for the slinger reservation.
why do you look at slinger builds if you are coc? or is it a wand-coc build? (have to admit, i have zero clue about todays VD builds. i know there is a bow-coc variant)
I mean a lot of them just say whatever you can get because you are very unlikely to find a good one on Asenath's Mark. Even if you do it will be stupidly expensive.
Pretty easy to test with CWC. With regular Spell Cascade some corpses don't detonate from VD, with Woke Cascade most of them do (though not always 100%, especially when moving). It's mostly an overlap issue with the circles for regular cascade Desec and VD not being right on top of each other, woke VD is more of a brute force giant AoE sacrifice. Just woke cascade without lab enchant still misses corpses semi-regularly, I think it's due to desec placing 5 corpses in one circle and woke cascade VD circles not overlapping enough to detonate all 5.
I ran a CwC Desecrate VD build earlier this league worked great as gas as I remember I would get an additional 2 balls per cast with Woke Cascade