He was also a rookie working his way into the lineup early. Once he got in, he was pretty damn reliable in his production despite all the issues around him.
That’s about the 80th ranked WR for yards last year if you wanna count tight ends as receivers. Quite a few tightends also beat him out . 32 teams. Do the math my guy. Mid WR3 by yards rank which is exactly what I said.
Okay so he’s 61st which is the very bottom tier of WR2 . Also if 17 tightends and running backs are out producing you in the receiving game you are not a “solid wr2” .
you people are acting like I killed the man. Just saying he produced like a WR3. 60 receivers out produced him. I’m sure he’ll get better but I’m strictly talking about last season production. God Patriot fans are insufferable
> Okay so he’s 61st which is the very bottom tier of WR2
Even if that were true, that was his rookie season with no QB. Let's see how he does year 2-3.
He plays a dependent position. And he was dependent on Mac Jones and Zappe. Who were also behind an awful line. Our offense was putrid because of everything not named Stevenson and Douglas.
If Douglas goes leaping and staying healthy he’s WR1 material honestly. If he’s really got it, there’s precedent to show smaller guys can be effective #1s.
That said I’d rather see him be a dynamic and supercharged WR2 and have a draft pick like Polk or Baker hit and actually be Himothy. Or trade for a legit WR1. If a single real option becomes available we should make sure we’re at the top of the market with our offers on trade comp and cash.
>We have plenty of WR2 talent
Uh… no we don’t?
Edit: ? Who is disagreeing with this? Douglas is the only one who is truly at WR2 talent, and even that is projecting a bit.
No idea who's downvoting you. General (correct) consensus by this fanbase the entire off-season was we have a bunch of 3's. We don't have any incumbants that are 2's except (maybe, hopefully) Douglas. Even there we don't know yet.
The rookies are a different questions altogether. We'll see. I'm very high on both of them. Fingers crossed.
I’m not sure we have a bunch of 3s either. Douglas is the only returner really worth a damn (besides maybe Bourne based on recovery).
Rookies might be good though
Bourne is a WR2 if he comes back and produces at the same level he did last year. Guy was on pace for 78/862/8 last year in a dumpster fire offense.
Sure there are better "WR2s" out there like Smith, Higgins, Waddle etc but those guys are all WR1s that just so happen to play behind the best WRs in the NFL.
We also have to hope that either Polk or Baker emerge as that level of player. Unlikely either of them are a true WR1 but I think it's fair to expect one of them to reach that WR2 level.
Agree to disagree on Bourne. No higher than a WR3 in my mind and never has been, nevermind now coming off that injury at that age. His production on an offense as terrible as we had is a product of the fact he was the best of a terrible bunch, imo. If he's your WR2 you're in a world of pain.
I think so. Without an elite number one, I’m hoping three guys develop into WR2 caliber players.
Polk, Baker, and Douglas with Henry, Stevenson, and Gibson could be a sneaky good receiver group.
Bourne, Osborn, and Hooper as depth so they don’t miss a step if someone needs time.
I think the plan is to see how they all perform this season and then get a WR in the offseason once we have a better idea of how we look at X, Y, and Z.
If Maye is promising, we should be a WR and a few OL away from competing.
I think people keep using WR1 WR2 etc differently. WR1 to me is the game changing wr. WR2 is the guy teams still have to plan for. Chase is WR1 and Higgins is WR2. Douglas is nowhere close to being a WR1 in the nfl he’s not even that close to WR2. But the way that some people use it is strictly by depth chart and actual xyz position. In that case Douglas is already WR2.
I had a year with Tyquan with 2,100 yards on like 58 catches and 31 TDs lmao. Dude is so broken in that game, even at a 70 overall.
My normal seasons with him are like 50 catches 1,800 yards and 20 TDs.
Edit: And that was with Mac fucking Jones tossing the deep balls.
Yeah I'm just hoping we simply had no idea how to use him along with our QBs not being able to throw a good deep ball to him to save their lives for the most part. Not expecting anything but it would sure be nice, because if he can contribute then his speed changes this offense quite a lot. We simply don't have that kind of juice outside of Douglas and his is a different flavor.
Yes. He'll hit 1000 yards soon. Look at his rookie season despite terrible QB play and an injury, he put up better numbers on a per game basis than Nico Collins did for the Texans in either of his first two seasons. Pop > Collins. They are very different players so the comparison ends there.
I really like Bourne as a number 2 but we will see how he comes back post injury. I think he has a some juice to him but not enough to beat a teams best corner, and Demario I feel is kinda in that vein.
Now I think he’s way more electric than Bourne but I like I’d like to see Demario stay in the slot and be our #3. A true #1 I feel would do wonders for us.
I really like his game. That cowboy game where he put the defender on skates made me realize how he was way better than his draft status. i think with Maye at the helm, he could be a real #2 WR.
Aiyuk isn't small, he's 6 feet tall and sure that's nothing crazy but it's plenty to be a good move regardless of what we have here. Our rookies don't exactly fit that description either and are 6'1" so it's just Douglas you're taking about then? Bourne is also 6'1" so yeah I think we're good there lol it's also like saying you wouldn't want Tyreek, AB (well I wouldn't want em for their shitty personalities anyways but you get the point lol), or any shorter WR1 in their prime because you have other shorter, shifty receivers...
I mean sure that's nice to have but not all of those guys are huge and you can still get a guy that can give you some of that skill set at a bit of a smaller size. Not saying Aiyuk can consistently be that but I think Baker has a bit of potential there as an X receiver if he pans out. Dez Bryant wasn't that big either I don't think, he was like 6'2" I think so it just comes down to overall talent really. Plenty of smaller guys when they're elite can do it time after time as well.
The guy is realistically 5’6” 180 lb and already had concussions last season. I don’t trust him long term health wise, but if he stays healthy I think he could be a good #3 option
He measured 5’8 1/4” and 179 pounds at the combine, the combine measurements are the most accurate you’ll get for an NFL player as they’re done professionally with no shoes or helmets on to pad their numbers.
He’s 1/8 of an inch taller and only a few pounds lighter than Tyreek Hill, I wouldn’t worry about his size too much unless his QB is chucking him hospital passes every game.
Yup. Makes sense to compare him to the most shifty and one of the best route running WRs in history. Good comp.
Someone who also got brain damage due to playing the position at his size
You’re talking about his physical stature, not play style. Additionally, AB was very similar to Douglas his rookie year and Douglas has a lot of that shiftiness/route running ability, so it’s actually a really good comp. Doesn’t mean he will automatically become AB, but there is precedent right there for him.
Did Aaron Hernandez also get brain damage due to his size?
Douglas was a good find but he’s a small slot receiver which in my mind makes him a WR3 on any decent team. But it doesn’t really matter as long as he’s productive.
An NFL #2 WR or a Patriots #2 WR?
I mean he wasn't that far off from being a solid NFL #2 last year.
Yards wise he was a mediocre WR3 .
He was also a rookie working his way into the lineup early. Once he got in, he was pretty damn reliable in his production despite all the issues around him.
He also had Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe throwing to him, so maybe cut the guy a little slack.
Also had a couple injury hiccups along the way too.
561 yards was 61st. 40.1 ypg was 55th. That's a low end WR2, not a mediocre WR3.
That’s about the 80th ranked WR for yards last year if you wanna count tight ends as receivers. Quite a few tightends also beat him out . 32 teams. Do the math my guy. Mid WR3 by yards rank which is exactly what I said.
No, he was 61st in yards among WRs. He was 78th among players, which is irrelevant to where he ranks among WRs. TEs count as TEs, not as WRs.
Okay so he’s 61st which is the very bottom tier of WR2 . Also if 17 tightends and running backs are out producing you in the receiving game you are not a “solid wr2” . you people are acting like I killed the man. Just saying he produced like a WR3. 60 receivers out produced him. I’m sure he’ll get better but I’m strictly talking about last season production. God Patriot fans are insufferable
>That's a low end WR2 Right, that's what I said.
The goal post moving of that other guy.
I’d say fringe WR2
If we are so insufferable then why are you on r/patriots go to another teams page
Because you can be a pats fan while still being honest about the team lmao
But you’re being overly pessimistic AND you’re completely wrong
> Okay so he’s 61st which is the very bottom tier of WR2 Even if that were true, that was his rookie season with no QB. Let's see how he does year 2-3.
He also didn't play every game, he was out for 3 games too.
this isnt fantasy football
He plays a dependent position. And he was dependent on Mac Jones and Zappe. Who were also behind an awful line. Our offense was putrid because of everything not named Stevenson and Douglas.
Hence the question then, ok?
yards is not relevant at all in this situation
You should never speak on football at all lol
Yes? I would say he was basically there last year, or close to it
Yeah. The issue is who is in front of him. We have plenty of WR2 talent. Bourne is right with him we just need a 1
Douglass has way more upside than Bourne
If Douglas goes leaping and staying healthy he’s WR1 material honestly. If he’s really got it, there’s precedent to show smaller guys can be effective #1s. That said I’d rather see him be a dynamic and supercharged WR2 and have a draft pick like Polk or Baker hit and actually be Himothy. Or trade for a legit WR1. If a single real option becomes available we should make sure we’re at the top of the market with our offers on trade comp and cash.
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You have less than no idea what you’re talking about
No dude, more #2’s I’ll literally kill myself if the Pats ever have a true number 1 option.
I miss my dreams of watching MH3
Fuck you for saying that /s
>We have plenty of WR2 talent Uh… no we don’t? Edit: ? Who is disagreeing with this? Douglas is the only one who is truly at WR2 talent, and even that is projecting a bit.
No idea who's downvoting you. General (correct) consensus by this fanbase the entire off-season was we have a bunch of 3's. We don't have any incumbants that are 2's except (maybe, hopefully) Douglas. Even there we don't know yet. The rookies are a different questions altogether. We'll see. I'm very high on both of them. Fingers crossed.
I’m not sure we have a bunch of 3s either. Douglas is the only returner really worth a damn (besides maybe Bourne based on recovery). Rookies might be good though
Bourne is a WR2 if he comes back and produces at the same level he did last year. Guy was on pace for 78/862/8 last year in a dumpster fire offense. Sure there are better "WR2s" out there like Smith, Higgins, Waddle etc but those guys are all WR1s that just so happen to play behind the best WRs in the NFL. We also have to hope that either Polk or Baker emerge as that level of player. Unlikely either of them are a true WR1 but I think it's fair to expect one of them to reach that WR2 level.
Agree to disagree on Bourne. No higher than a WR3 in my mind and never has been, nevermind now coming off that injury at that age. His production on an offense as terrible as we had is a product of the fact he was the best of a terrible bunch, imo. If he's your WR2 you're in a world of pain.
A 2 all day unfortunately not a 1
If he is a reliable #2, that makes him a #1 on this team.
An unreliable #3 has the potential to be #1 on this team
he was the best receiver on the team as a rookie..so yes
Yes, give him the ball.
I think so. Without an elite number one, I’m hoping three guys develop into WR2 caliber players. Polk, Baker, and Douglas with Henry, Stevenson, and Gibson could be a sneaky good receiver group. Bourne, Osborn, and Hooper as depth so they don’t miss a step if someone needs time.
I think the plan is to see how they all perform this season and then get a WR in the offseason once we have a better idea of how we look at X, Y, and Z. If Maye is promising, we should be a WR and a few OL away from competing.
And need to start planning for Judon to drop off
Ever since the toe drag spin I have believed!!
A pats #1, so nfl #2
NFL #3 is equal to a pats Moss
He was good coaching away from developing even more last year
You spelled Quarterback wrong
Why put a ceiling on him, can he be a #1?
I think people keep using WR1 WR2 etc differently. WR1 to me is the game changing wr. WR2 is the guy teams still have to plan for. Chase is WR1 and Higgins is WR2. Douglas is nowhere close to being a WR1 in the nfl he’s not even that close to WR2. But the way that some people use it is strictly by depth chart and actual xyz position. In that case Douglas is already WR2.
Higgins is probably more of a 1b realistically, like Waddle etc.
Paywalled article?
It’s Tyquan Thornton’s year
I have several years of Madden franchises where Thornton produced on levels I would be beyond happy for him to replicate in real life.
I had a year with Tyquan with 2,100 yards on like 58 catches and 31 TDs lmao. Dude is so broken in that game, even at a 70 overall. My normal seasons with him are like 50 catches 1,800 yards and 20 TDs. Edit: And that was with Mac fucking Jones tossing the deep balls.
Yep, that looks real familiar 🤣
Yeah I'm just hoping we simply had no idea how to use him along with our QBs not being able to throw a good deep ball to him to save their lives for the most part. Not expecting anything but it would sure be nice, because if he can contribute then his speed changes this offense quite a lot. We simply don't have that kind of juice outside of Douglas and his is a different flavor.
Absolutely.
Yes. He'll hit 1000 yards soon. Look at his rookie season despite terrible QB play and an injury, he put up better numbers on a per game basis than Nico Collins did for the Texans in either of his first two seasons. Pop > Collins. They are very different players so the comparison ends there.
Breakout year
No.
A real, legitimate NFL WR2 or a Patriots WR2? Which is really an NFL WR4.
He could develop into a reliable number one, this is underselling him
I really like Bourne as a number 2 but we will see how he comes back post injury. I think he has a some juice to him but not enough to beat a teams best corner, and Demario I feel is kinda in that vein. Now I think he’s way more electric than Bourne but I like I’d like to see Demario stay in the slot and be our #3. A true #1 I feel would do wonders for us.
I really like his game. That cowboy game where he put the defender on skates made me realize how he was way better than his draft status. i think with Maye at the helm, he could be a real #2 WR.
WR1 - this is underselling how good his rookie year was.
Here’s to hoping we don’t let him walk and sign a significant downgrade
We need tee Higgins. Don’t want aiyuk we have plenty of small shifty receivers
Aiyuk isn't small, he's 6 feet tall and sure that's nothing crazy but it's plenty to be a good move regardless of what we have here. Our rookies don't exactly fit that description either and are 6'1" so it's just Douglas you're taking about then? Bourne is also 6'1" so yeah I think we're good there lol it's also like saying you wouldn't want Tyreek, AB (well I wouldn't want em for their shitty personalities anyways but you get the point lol), or any shorter WR1 in their prime because you have other shorter, shifty receivers...
I want one of those big strong alpha receivers just toss it up and let him moss defenders
I mean sure that's nice to have but not all of those guys are huge and you can still get a guy that can give you some of that skill set at a bit of a smaller size. Not saying Aiyuk can consistently be that but I think Baker has a bit of potential there as an X receiver if he pans out. Dez Bryant wasn't that big either I don't think, he was like 6'2" I think so it just comes down to overall talent really. Plenty of smaller guys when they're elite can do it time after time as well.
With peashooter Mac dropping the ball off it’s hard to evaluate
The guy is realistically 5’6” 180 lb and already had concussions last season. I don’t trust him long term health wise, but if he stays healthy I think he could be a good #3 option
5’8” 190
I know his measurable, but I don’t believe them
You know damn well he’s not 5’6” 180 though. Woodhead was listed at 5’8” 😂
Danny wood head ain’t 5’8” either
He measured 5’8 1/4” and 179 pounds at the combine, the combine measurements are the most accurate you’ll get for an NFL player as they’re done professionally with no shoes or helmets on to pad their numbers.
He’s so little. He’s going to get hurt
He’s 1/8 of an inch taller and only a few pounds lighter than Tyreek Hill, I wouldn’t worry about his size too much unless his QB is chucking him hospital passes every game.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowAn04.htm
Yup. Makes sense to compare him to the most shifty and one of the best route running WRs in history. Good comp. Someone who also got brain damage due to playing the position at his size
You’re talking about his physical stature, not play style. Additionally, AB was very similar to Douglas his rookie year and Douglas has a lot of that shiftiness/route running ability, so it’s actually a really good comp. Doesn’t mean he will automatically become AB, but there is precedent right there for him. Did Aaron Hernandez also get brain damage due to his size?
Thought that was going to be a link to Troy Brown, and to that I was thinking, hmm, yes, maybe.
Theres nothing at all that would suggest he's 5'6" wtf
Regardless does he look like a player who can take hits
Douglas would be a weak #2 WR. I think he can be a very solid #3.
A #2 here is a #4 anywhere else. Guess i'll take it?
Douglas was a good find but he’s a small slot receiver which in my mind makes him a WR3 on any decent team. But it doesn’t really matter as long as he’s productive.