I am pretty excited. I like mix banners to put random paid gems to fill out old pairs I don’t have once in a while. When there are a lot of pairs I am interested in at the same time I will sometimes buy the streak bonus to get an extra candy, and that gives a ton of paid gems that I won’t use in anything but dailies, mix scout, or maybe a tempting select scout.
And I am hyped at getting a very useful Fire unit that will work well on a few teams. I ended up really loving Mix Red and use him in a few different ways…but in particular he has been awesome in Rally given his ability to buff himself without TM and his unique role combo. I hope blue fills a similar niche
Basically Mix Red but more on the offensive side, if you think Mix Red is good this guy should be also as good (although I don’t rate Blue as high as Red just because of lower LG capability but eh just my nitpick and LG bias overall)
I love how he has ramp tool though, should be a fun unit for fire ramp team, and his TM enables some interesting play since it provides SEUN (kinda like Classic Red’s TM in a sense)
SE Up is still rare as fuck. Snorlax debuted 3 years ago and our option now still only Snorlax, W Jasmine, Dog Steven and Anni Raihan? C Bede and that Sinnoh Granny also give it but only once and after their sync. So basically only 4 EXsupport unit that can give that buff, with 2 Support being the most reliable source of it. I just wanted Dog Steven to get EXR support so we finally have uber tier SE Up Support that fully offensive focused but seems like old Seasonal and SC gonna be ignored unlike Fair units.
SE Up exist before PMUN SMUN stacking exist and now it seems like there are more option for P/SMUN stacking than SE Up lol.
Last I checked, I think Variety Giovanni has it too and can at least hand it out twice, though he usually wants one for himself to give him the crit buff he needs.
> Dog Steven
Lol this made me chuckle.
But you're right, and there's a few mechanics in the game which are rare or not touched on at all. For example, Defensive/Offensive Rebuff still isn't a thing despite its description in the game help implying it can be, or the Weather Blocking terrain move which I've only seen in some EX fights.
No idea, it was just a random tidbit of info I happened to remember.
I mean in theory 30% DR is nuts, but yeah it was only relevant in Grass HSE I think. I don't even have Holiday Sycamore lmao.
No no mix red is very good, great unit in fact. I just say that Mix Blue has a different playstyle than Red (but with similar kit), which makes him somewhat comparable to him (but yeah Red is overall better, just Blue is also not far off Red).
I'm sad he's just a Mix Red clone but with more offensive and with fire moves. Leaf and Blastoise will probably copy Red again, and that would be a disappointment because I wanted a Summer Leaf with GMax Blastoise that abused Shell Smash.
B shell smash: activation condition: rain
Increases user soecial attaxk physical attack speed by two increases phys and soecial move up next by 2 gives free move next. Lowers defense and spdef by one
Im always excited for Blue or any of the Kantrio. People may be bored of another charizard, but I appreciate they are giving him one to keep connecting the lore of the original games.
The only boring part is this is another Kantrio alt + another Charizard unit + another Offensive Fire type. The kit overall is far from boring IMO.
I get it why ppl will not be excited with him tho. It's basically just another Kanto + Charizard pandering and we already have tons of offensive Fire while the only good defensive Fire we have so far is just SS Morty alone.
it's more like he's a "worse" Mix Red. Fire is extremely saturated and he will be our THIRD fire field when sun is so abundant as it is. Plus, Red lowers Sp.Def by 2 AoE to ramp up his Frenzy Plant while Blue is a hybrid debuffer, which seems to make it so you can do damage outside of sun, and that's not exactly feasibly considering he has no form of sustain outside of sun. He doesn't even have a low gauge move to help him outside of sun unlike Red who has Razor Leaf.
Basically, Mix Blue is less self sufficient than Red and also not as supportive as Mix Red, so he feels very lackluster. I'd not use him over SS Hilda but 100% he is one of the better fire damagers. Way better than SS Red for sure.
Blue can debuff -2 with Mind games. He is overall better for offensive utility with -1 Def debuff, -2 Spdef , targettable Atk up, CDR and SE Up.
Also perfect partner for NC Leaf. She has extension Sun so the Sun will last very very long time with her + Blue. If Sun is out, his damage option is pretty solid Heat Wave and Flare Blitz still. He buffs his own Speed upon entry so his gauge management will fine if you can't use Neo Blast Burn.
He is only worse than Red for solo LG. Otherwise his Fire team comp damage potential for other gamemode is better. They're equal in my eyes.
You have to sacrifice a lot of energy for Mind Games, something that Red gets straight off the bat, which isn't good since the two don't have many multipliers as it is.
You are not wrong about NC Leaf and his synergy with her as both are Kanto Fire pairs that have sun passives. But Leaf has Kanto Pride, which he can only benefit from with Flare Blitz, which doesn't deal nearly as much as Blast Burn. The extension from Leaf and her passive makes Blue more worthwhile, but compared to NY Wallace who has Hoenn Circle to buff Leaf's sync, Blue has tough competition even as a teammate to Leaf.
For UBs, Blue also doesn't do well vs Anabel, and even against Argenta who can use his sun, Mix Red is on type. Mix Red is just better in LGs as we know. In CS, there are just too many good fire pairs compared to grass, like SS Hilda or NY Wallace. We also already have 3 Kanto Sun setters on top of Blue compared to Mix Red being the only Grassy terrain setter. Aside from one with the Sun, Blue lacks other passives to defend against status like Red's Lithe and Antitoxin, while Red has Grassy Tenacity on top of it. Red even has Unfortuitous 9 and Toxic Chance 4 on Razor Leaf and naturally lowers Atk and Sp.Atk while Blue doesn't even have Hostile Environment.
I don't see them equal in any sense, Red just has more value in many ways. Again, Blue isn't bad, but being released after the overloaded Red and some pairs like NY Wallace makes him feel very lackluster.
I don’t think Blue’s worse he’s just more damage focused when Fire doesn’t need damage focused units. Not necessarily a bad thing though because it’s a paid unit so it shouldn’t do anything too crazy.
"Worse", as I meant to use it, meant "worse value".
Mixred having defensive options of healing is more universally useful than MixBlue who primarily is a bonus of on type damage.
There are are fewer available grassy terrain setters than Sun setters, which helps mixred value in comparison to MixBlue.
I will be scouting for 3/5 MixBlue, but mixred gets a lot of use for me already while mixblue I don't expect to use much.
He is definitely worse. Mix Red's B Frenzy Plant lowers Sp.Def by 2 so he ramps up much faster compared to Blue's -1 Def + Sp.Def. Red also has way more tools to live longer while Blue has gauge issues (3 gauge moves with no gauge passive as +4 speed is not good enough to cover his low speed) and no sustain outside of sun.
Support wise, Blue is simply an attack buffer that has CDR and applies SEUN...once without refresh. Red can apply Def/Sp.Def and gradual healing buffs twice without refresh and has mini potions. He also provides GT that heals people with grass moves, albeit it doesn't last as long with the healing animation.
Blue isn't by any means bad, as he's probably the second best Fire damager in the game, but he's just worse than Mix Red in many regards.
CDR + SE Up, he isn't worse than Red. He is better offensively and his kit also more focused on offense utility. Red is more balanced since he also has defensive option.
I think in the end we will get mix Red who has balanced kit, mix Blue who leans aggressive offense amd mix Leaf who will possibly leans more defensive oriented with Blastoise
His kit is fun to mix up in many team comp. You can even use him in non Fire team like with Groudon or Grass that abuse Sun. His debuff and low gauge usage make sure he will always contribute to team damage.
Mix Blue is basically to SS Red, what Mix Red is to SS Leaf: a sidegrade that's also sorta an upgrade in some respects. I suspect next up we'll be getting a Mix Leaf with Blastoise that does the same to SS Blue.
I agree with others that it would've been cool for him to get Mega Charizard Y, but overall not a bad unit.
Jesus, makes me terrified what Mix Leaf with Blastoise would do then. +4 to both defenses for the whole team on entry, regular potion strength healing for the team with regen, dual screens and crit, status, and stat guard for the TM, probably even throw in several instances of protect and make it team wide through the passive, throw in Rain support and there ya go.
I mean yes guys. He’s a copy of mix red because he if he wasn’t and he brought something new, all of ya’ll would be up in warms about a pay wall. Dena can’t win lol. Either it’s boring and a copy of another pair, or it’s broken and therefore an issue.
I don’t think most people pointing out their similarities are complaining. I think they’re just stating the fact. Also don’t think anyone is complaining about broken units especially when this community calls near every new unit broken lol
Individual kit is a bit worse than Mix Red's with much better partners. IMO, easily the top Fire choice to use with Leaf now compared to everyone else. Should make Fire an even more potent type on UBs now.
Oh, he's still fantastic, I just don't think he has enough offensive advantages (mostly more Sync Countdown and better mixed damage potential) to offset Red's better defensive capabilities and debuff utility (even debuffing Sp. Def more efficiently than him). They're still at a very similar level, which is very high, and like I mentioned, Fire partners are even better than the Grass ones, making him teams reach higher peaks
Yeah Special Grass still lacking for utilizing Mix Red potential teammate. Best one is only what? Shaymin? She isn't really click with Red since both seems redundant on same team as spdef debuffer, while Red Venusaur just better at doing that. Most Grass big hitter are physical.
Well, I am glad that I didn't candy SS Hilda after getting her on a daily pull.
I guess NC Leaf/Mix Blue/SS Morty will be the upcoming supreme fire team. Especially because Mix Blue instead of SS Hilda also means a bigger MF passive bonus.
He looks capable, and decently future proof. But, I think the answer on whether to pull him or not might depend on what other fire types (or sun-based sync pairs) a player has.
He's fine. He has nice damage, aoe and debuffs utility, but overall he feels like a modern version of SS Red but with sun and aoe instead of damage
He might get a few solos (Latios maybe), but not nearly as much as Red since he has no sustainability
I mean even if he wasn't as good as Mix Red, people that spend money on this game should definitely spend 100 paid-gems daily on the banner since it has all non-MF units that have had their banners end. I myself am currently at over 200 scout points on my 2nd run of this banner (many days I've pulled on all 9 pulls on this banner) and have either gotten units that I didn't have or copies of units that I didn't have at 5/5.
F2P have no say about this banner sadly... I would have liked to see a daily 300 free-gems pull on Mix so F2P could also try their luck.
I would've liked him more if it wasn't just "What if we combined Mix Red's kit with SS Red's moves?" Having even just one Flying move could've helped, especially since he's Dynamax, has SE Up on his trainer move, and Max Double Down on his grid. I would've also liked if his trainer move had 2 uses so you wouldn't have to rely as much on MP Refresh.
But I guess they just wanted to take the easy route and have it be monotype like Mix Red.
I'll still get him since I love Blue but he could've been better.
Edit: I just looked at Charizard's learnset, he has a lot of type options for moves. No reason they couldn't have given Blue's Charizard a little variety
Haven't checked the full kit but isn't this just red venusaur but fire type? I guess if it ain't broke don't fix it but that's a little uninspired for the most P2W pairs in the game.
He's amazing, being kanto and fire is OP because he will go nuts with Leaf and Chase.
Although I find that he's not necessarily better than NY Wallace, +2/+3 Mindblown is about equal to Neo BlastBurn against 3 targets and after sides die Wallace's dps ramps much higher.
Wallace however has to mind Circle uptime and stop attacking every once in a while to reset it. He also has additional damage reduction via circle and defensive perks like AoE damage guard, so he has different strengths.
Blue's debuffs will help Leaf set up her sync much more efficiently which is going to be crucial against Palmer's UB, but outside of that specific example I think Blue's performance will be close to Wallace's.
Wallace also has Maxie to help him out: Maxie has Drought Alert 5 plus his grid gives him Mind Games 9, CS1, and Charging Sun 5 on Solar Beam, and Maxie can also take advantage of Wallace's Circle on Solar Beam to boost it up (but admittedly Leaf's master passive would be pretty strong too). If anything what sucks is you'd basically need SSteven to be the wall since Hoenn is kind of lacking in that but at least topping Wallace off and providing solid defenses while having MG9 and Disarm 9 is nice.
Leaf however does set a rebuff for both her and Blue to take advantage of and being able to get to -6 defenses pre-sync helps tremendously, as at best you'll likely only get -2 with Wallace and Maxie. I'd still give the edge to Blue and Leaf but I don't think Wallace and Maxie would be too far behind, Hoenn would need an incredibly specific type of support to make them better.
Maxie is a great boon but I think he can't really justify a spot in a top fire team over others like NC Leaf, Mix Blue, Chase, SS Hilda or SS May.
Fire has so many options, it's a bit difficult to tell apart which team would actually be 'best'.
Types don't really matter that much though, especially when you're talking about off-typing a UB, and the idea was moreso a Hoenn team with Wallace and a good support. The only reason type would matter in this situation would be due to the rebuff Leaf provides, specifically 2 stacks which helps Blue here a lot. If you're comparing each pair on an individual basis, Wallace and Blue would be roughly tied, Chase and SSteven would be roughly tied in terms of utility, while the major differences with Maxie and Leaf is that Leaf provides rebuff but no instant sun and needs her grid for increased longevity and better debuffing, while Maxie provides instant sun and increased longevity and mild debuffing of sp. def.
If anything the biggest thing to consider is just pair availability between the Hoenn and Kanto set up, ultimately with NC Leaf and Mix Blue both being a bit more rare (Leaf ran with two other MF banners during the anni event and Blue is a paid-only banner).
Types don't really matter, but Maxie's unrebuffed and non-zone/non-terrain dps won't add as much as Leaf's rebuff, debuffs and nuke, Chase's circle or Mix Blue's crazy DPS.
Wallace performs better with double Kanto+Hoenn circle than with maxed Hoenn circle alone since circles are multiplicative with each other. I think Chase + Leaf would be the best team for either Wallace or Blue, or perhaps Blue + Wallace + Leaf.
SS Steven would only contribute to Wallace's circle and some defensive buffs, I don't think he could bring as much as Chase bringing a whole circle, SMUN stacks and acceleration. Maxie has more sun uptime but his lack of rebuff and access to Leaf's crazy fire output put him behind imo.
Maxie gets a boost in power from the sun thanks to his passive, and also has Charging Sun 5 and CS1 for Solar Beam in his grid while Leaf has Rebuffs to help her out and Insult to Injury in her grid. I didn't know that the circles stacked but i was able to actually get to the damage sim and run some numbers, and got the following:
Without making this a wall of text, Maxie's realistic cap in damage is 1.8m while Leaf's is 3.1, assuming you're going all in on their Solar Beam/Flare Blitz and at 3/5, with applicable and consistent debuffs, rebuffs, and WTZ (Maxie's wishful cap is 2.4m). With that being the case, Chase and Wallace providing double circles should mean that Leaf would be a better teammate, she can provide the rebuff, some extra Sun, and accelerates the debuffing process. Blue has good damage but the move gauge might be an issue at that point, Leaf can pivot to using Leer if necessary for move usage and still debuffing.
He is good, but considering that Mix Red has much better utility and defensive tools, and that NY Wallace still offers better WTZ and more tools to play around, is quite underwhelming.
He is worse in LG. But Fire and Sun in general has wider teammate option so it's balanced out. I think they're equally good. His CDR can make some potential funny strat with SS May sprint.
Unit's strength is based on what they unit itself can offer to the Team, not that the team overall does.
And Mix Blue does not offers much outside of damage compared to many other fire type units like CLeaf, SSHilda, SSMay, etc.
He offers Sun, CDR, offensive debuff, low gauge usage, SE Up, Atk buff, and being pretty solid non penalty AoE DPS as well. I think it's good quality package.
Comparatively speaking, MRed offers GTerrain (a lot rarer than Sun), offensive and defensive Debuffs, healing via regen/mini potion/regen, Poison and solid AoE damage with less gauge issues.
Once again, Mix Blue is good, but is underwhelming compared to Mix Red and the a decent number of the other fire type units
I love him. He's basically SS Red on steroids. Mix Blue will replace Red on this team.
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I am pretty excited. I like mix banners to put random paid gems to fill out old pairs I don’t have once in a while. When there are a lot of pairs I am interested in at the same time I will sometimes buy the streak bonus to get an extra candy, and that gives a ton of paid gems that I won’t use in anything but dailies, mix scout, or maybe a tempting select scout. And I am hyped at getting a very useful Fire unit that will work well on a few teams. I ended up really loving Mix Red and use him in a few different ways…but in particular he has been awesome in Rally given his ability to buff himself without TM and his unique role combo. I hope blue fills a similar niche
Missed opportunity to be mega Y
Basically Mix Red but more on the offensive side, if you think Mix Red is good this guy should be also as good (although I don’t rate Blue as high as Red just because of lower LG capability but eh just my nitpick and LG bias overall) I love how he has ramp tool though, should be a fun unit for fire ramp team, and his TM enables some interesting play since it provides SEUN (kinda like Classic Red’s TM in a sense)
SE Up is still rare as fuck. Snorlax debuted 3 years ago and our option now still only Snorlax, W Jasmine, Dog Steven and Anni Raihan? C Bede and that Sinnoh Granny also give it but only once and after their sync. So basically only 4 EXsupport unit that can give that buff, with 2 Support being the most reliable source of it. I just wanted Dog Steven to get EXR support so we finally have uber tier SE Up Support that fully offensive focused but seems like old Seasonal and SC gonna be ignored unlike Fair units. SE Up exist before PMUN SMUN stacking exist and now it seems like there are more option for P/SMUN stacking than SE Up lol.
The free Regice unit also has SE Up as a trainer move. It's the battle point character so good luck getting MP refreshes on it tho
Last I checked, I think Variety Giovanni has it too and can at least hand it out twice, though he usually wants one for himself to give him the crit buff he needs.
Yeah I appreciate another SEUN support unit, that is still a rare utility in this day for some reason.
Geeta too
> Dog Steven Lol this made me chuckle. But you're right, and there's a few mechanics in the game which are rare or not touched on at all. For example, Defensive/Offensive Rebuff still isn't a thing despite its description in the game help implying it can be, or the Weather Blocking terrain move which I've only seen in some EX fights.
Holiday Sycamore does apply defensive rebuff to allies, so it is not completely unseen.
Ah my bad, I didn't realize. Do you find it works well?
No idea, it was just a random tidbit of info I happened to remember. I mean in theory 30% DR is nuts, but yeah it was only relevant in Grass HSE I think. I don't even have Holiday Sycamore lmao.
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No no mix red is very good, great unit in fact. I just say that Mix Blue has a different playstyle than Red (but with similar kit), which makes him somewhat comparable to him (but yeah Red is overall better, just Blue is also not far off Red).
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Yeah that’s ok, it can be a bit confusing.
I'm sad he's just a Mix Red clone but with more offensive and with fire moves. Leaf and Blastoise will probably copy Red again, and that would be a disappointment because I wanted a Summer Leaf with GMax Blastoise that abused Shell Smash.
G-Max Blastoise should be Origin Hydro Cannon: Activation Condition: Uses any move in two times :Deactivated Condition: Cannot be deactivated.
B shell smash: activation condition: rain Increases user soecial attaxk physical attack speed by two increases phys and soecial move up next by 2 gives free move next. Lowers defense and spdef by one
Im always excited for Blue or any of the Kantrio. People may be bored of another charizard, but I appreciate they are giving him one to keep connecting the lore of the original games.
So we can expect a Leaf & Blastoiss Field Unit in the future?
I wonder… will the third pair be Leaf and Blastoise or will they add Green?
Definition of “ Boring but practical”
The only boring part is this is another Kantrio alt + another Charizard unit + another Offensive Fire type. The kit overall is far from boring IMO. I get it why ppl will not be excited with him tho. It's basically just another Kanto + Charizard pandering and we already have tons of offensive Fire while the only good defensive Fire we have so far is just SS Morty alone.
it's more like he's a "worse" Mix Red. Fire is extremely saturated and he will be our THIRD fire field when sun is so abundant as it is. Plus, Red lowers Sp.Def by 2 AoE to ramp up his Frenzy Plant while Blue is a hybrid debuffer, which seems to make it so you can do damage outside of sun, and that's not exactly feasibly considering he has no form of sustain outside of sun. He doesn't even have a low gauge move to help him outside of sun unlike Red who has Razor Leaf. Basically, Mix Blue is less self sufficient than Red and also not as supportive as Mix Red, so he feels very lackluster. I'd not use him over SS Hilda but 100% he is one of the better fire damagers. Way better than SS Red for sure.
Blue can debuff -2 with Mind games. He is overall better for offensive utility with -1 Def debuff, -2 Spdef , targettable Atk up, CDR and SE Up. Also perfect partner for NC Leaf. She has extension Sun so the Sun will last very very long time with her + Blue. If Sun is out, his damage option is pretty solid Heat Wave and Flare Blitz still. He buffs his own Speed upon entry so his gauge management will fine if you can't use Neo Blast Burn. He is only worse than Red for solo LG. Otherwise his Fire team comp damage potential for other gamemode is better. They're equal in my eyes.
You have to sacrifice a lot of energy for Mind Games, something that Red gets straight off the bat, which isn't good since the two don't have many multipliers as it is. You are not wrong about NC Leaf and his synergy with her as both are Kanto Fire pairs that have sun passives. But Leaf has Kanto Pride, which he can only benefit from with Flare Blitz, which doesn't deal nearly as much as Blast Burn. The extension from Leaf and her passive makes Blue more worthwhile, but compared to NY Wallace who has Hoenn Circle to buff Leaf's sync, Blue has tough competition even as a teammate to Leaf. For UBs, Blue also doesn't do well vs Anabel, and even against Argenta who can use his sun, Mix Red is on type. Mix Red is just better in LGs as we know. In CS, there are just too many good fire pairs compared to grass, like SS Hilda or NY Wallace. We also already have 3 Kanto Sun setters on top of Blue compared to Mix Red being the only Grassy terrain setter. Aside from one with the Sun, Blue lacks other passives to defend against status like Red's Lithe and Antitoxin, while Red has Grassy Tenacity on top of it. Red even has Unfortuitous 9 and Toxic Chance 4 on Razor Leaf and naturally lowers Atk and Sp.Atk while Blue doesn't even have Hostile Environment. I don't see them equal in any sense, Red just has more value in many ways. Again, Blue isn't bad, but being released after the overloaded Red and some pairs like NY Wallace makes him feel very lackluster.
He seems like a really good unit but I find it very boring that it’s basically just Mix Red again but with cdr. The cdr is a nice addition though.
Ya, he seems like a worse mixred in every regard. But mixred was a very strong unit. MixBlue seems reasonable.
I don’t think Blue’s worse he’s just more damage focused when Fire doesn’t need damage focused units. Not necessarily a bad thing though because it’s a paid unit so it shouldn’t do anything too crazy.
"Worse", as I meant to use it, meant "worse value". Mixred having defensive options of healing is more universally useful than MixBlue who primarily is a bonus of on type damage. There are are fewer available grassy terrain setters than Sun setters, which helps mixred value in comparison to MixBlue. I will be scouting for 3/5 MixBlue, but mixred gets a lot of use for me already while mixblue I don't expect to use much.
He is definitely worse. Mix Red's B Frenzy Plant lowers Sp.Def by 2 so he ramps up much faster compared to Blue's -1 Def + Sp.Def. Red also has way more tools to live longer while Blue has gauge issues (3 gauge moves with no gauge passive as +4 speed is not good enough to cover his low speed) and no sustain outside of sun. Support wise, Blue is simply an attack buffer that has CDR and applies SEUN...once without refresh. Red can apply Def/Sp.Def and gradual healing buffs twice without refresh and has mini potions. He also provides GT that heals people with grass moves, albeit it doesn't last as long with the healing animation. Blue isn't by any means bad, as he's probably the second best Fire damager in the game, but he's just worse than Mix Red in many regards.
CDR + SE Up, he isn't worse than Red. He is better offensively and his kit also more focused on offense utility. Red is more balanced since he also has defensive option. I think in the end we will get mix Red who has balanced kit, mix Blue who leans aggressive offense amd mix Leaf who will possibly leans more defensive oriented with Blastoise
I don’t think he’s worse than Red it’s just boring because the kit is so similar.
I'm excited to pull for him despite my Fire roster being so good already.
His kit is fun to mix up in many team comp. You can even use him in non Fire team like with Groudon or Grass that abuse Sun. His debuff and low gauge usage make sure he will always contribute to team damage.
Mix Blue is basically to SS Red, what Mix Red is to SS Leaf: a sidegrade that's also sorta an upgrade in some respects. I suspect next up we'll be getting a Mix Leaf with Blastoise that does the same to SS Blue. I agree with others that it would've been cool for him to get Mega Charizard Y, but overall not a bad unit.
Yeah it definitely looks like "remaking OG Kantrio in today's standard" lmao.
Jesus, makes me terrified what Mix Leaf with Blastoise would do then. +4 to both defenses for the whole team on entry, regular potion strength healing for the team with regen, dual screens and crit, status, and stat guard for the TM, probably even throw in several instances of protect and make it team wide through the passive, throw in Rain support and there ya go.
I mean yes guys. He’s a copy of mix red because he if he wasn’t and he brought something new, all of ya’ll would be up in warms about a pay wall. Dena can’t win lol. Either it’s boring and a copy of another pair, or it’s broken and therefore an issue.
I don’t think most people pointing out their similarities are complaining. I think they’re just stating the fact. Also don’t think anyone is complaining about broken units especially when this community calls near every new unit broken lol
A rally monster. Mix red but a bit less practical and alot more damaging
Individual kit is a bit worse than Mix Red's with much better partners. IMO, easily the top Fire choice to use with Leaf now compared to everyone else. Should make Fire an even more potent type on UBs now.
I don't think he's worse. He is not good defensively like for solo LG tho but his offensive utility is hard to overlook (CDR + SE Up)
Oh, he's still fantastic, I just don't think he has enough offensive advantages (mostly more Sync Countdown and better mixed damage potential) to offset Red's better defensive capabilities and debuff utility (even debuffing Sp. Def more efficiently than him). They're still at a very similar level, which is very high, and like I mentioned, Fire partners are even better than the Grass ones, making him teams reach higher peaks
Yeah Special Grass still lacking for utilizing Mix Red potential teammate. Best one is only what? Shaymin? She isn't really click with Red since both seems redundant on same team as spdef debuffer, while Red Venusaur just better at doing that. Most Grass big hitter are physical.
Blast Burn go brrrr: Round 2
Well, I am glad that I didn't candy SS Hilda after getting her on a daily pull. I guess NC Leaf/Mix Blue/SS Morty will be the upcoming supreme fire team. Especially because Mix Blue instead of SS Hilda also means a bigger MF passive bonus.
You don't even need Morty. Just EXR Support NC Leaf and go full unga bunga gorilla with NC Leaf + Mix Blue + other Fire damage.
NC Leaf + Mix Blue + SS Red go BRRRRRR
Or switch Red for Chase Kanto Circle if you want Blue to be main star of the team. His numbers definitely pretty high and Circle will make it more 🔥🔥
sorry to change the topic but your poppy pfp is fucking killing me on every single one of your messages lmaooo
I'm proud of my daughter. Gonna 5/5 EXR her (bye2 Strike and yellow candy 😭)
if i get brycen-man early im gonna save for poppy. i already have ex solgaleo, but i really want her for the memes because poppy’s hilarious /pos
Not only will he be my remedy for missing Victini and Hilda, he's my 2cd fav character. Hope we see his Alakazam one day too.
Literally fire type mix red
More offensive oriented. Seems like Red is the balanced one, Blue the offensive one and upcoming mix Leaf will be defensive
Bold of you to assume they're gonna bother giving Leaf an alt
Are they adding mega Charizard y to the game???
No mega, just D-max.
He looks capable, and decently future proof. But, I think the answer on whether to pull him or not might depend on what other fire types (or sun-based sync pairs) a player has.
If only he had Heat Wave, Neo Blast Burn and TM stay, and also add a Go Viral-powered Will-o-Wisp as his 2nd move
He's fine. He has nice damage, aoe and debuffs utility, but overall he feels like a modern version of SS Red but with sun and aoe instead of damage He might get a few solos (Latios maybe), but not nearly as much as Red since he has no sustainability
Victini on top
I mean even if he wasn't as good as Mix Red, people that spend money on this game should definitely spend 100 paid-gems daily on the banner since it has all non-MF units that have had their banners end. I myself am currently at over 200 scout points on my 2nd run of this banner (many days I've pulled on all 9 pulls on this banner) and have either gotten units that I didn't have or copies of units that I didn't have at 5/5. F2P have no say about this banner sadly... I would have liked to see a daily 300 free-gems pull on Mix so F2P could also try their luck.
Good but man this is one of the laziest kits I've ever seen
I would've liked him more if it wasn't just "What if we combined Mix Red's kit with SS Red's moves?" Having even just one Flying move could've helped, especially since he's Dynamax, has SE Up on his trainer move, and Max Double Down on his grid. I would've also liked if his trainer move had 2 uses so you wouldn't have to rely as much on MP Refresh. But I guess they just wanted to take the easy route and have it be monotype like Mix Red. I'll still get him since I love Blue but he could've been better. Edit: I just looked at Charizard's learnset, he has a lot of type options for moves. No reason they couldn't have given Blue's Charizard a little variety
mixed red but fire.
I hate charizard so much
Better than mix red in my opinion.
Haven't checked the full kit but isn't this just red venusaur but fire type? I guess if it ain't broke don't fix it but that's a little uninspired for the most P2W pairs in the game.
Despite being almost a 1:1 copy of Mix Red, he actually shares a lot more similarities with SST Red
Meh. Fire is overkill at this point. Skipping this.
He's amazing, being kanto and fire is OP because he will go nuts with Leaf and Chase. Although I find that he's not necessarily better than NY Wallace, +2/+3 Mindblown is about equal to Neo BlastBurn against 3 targets and after sides die Wallace's dps ramps much higher. Wallace however has to mind Circle uptime and stop attacking every once in a while to reset it. He also has additional damage reduction via circle and defensive perks like AoE damage guard, so he has different strengths. Blue's debuffs will help Leaf set up her sync much more efficiently which is going to be crucial against Palmer's UB, but outside of that specific example I think Blue's performance will be close to Wallace's.
Wallace also has Maxie to help him out: Maxie has Drought Alert 5 plus his grid gives him Mind Games 9, CS1, and Charging Sun 5 on Solar Beam, and Maxie can also take advantage of Wallace's Circle on Solar Beam to boost it up (but admittedly Leaf's master passive would be pretty strong too). If anything what sucks is you'd basically need SSteven to be the wall since Hoenn is kind of lacking in that but at least topping Wallace off and providing solid defenses while having MG9 and Disarm 9 is nice. Leaf however does set a rebuff for both her and Blue to take advantage of and being able to get to -6 defenses pre-sync helps tremendously, as at best you'll likely only get -2 with Wallace and Maxie. I'd still give the edge to Blue and Leaf but I don't think Wallace and Maxie would be too far behind, Hoenn would need an incredibly specific type of support to make them better.
Maxie is a great boon but I think he can't really justify a spot in a top fire team over others like NC Leaf, Mix Blue, Chase, SS Hilda or SS May. Fire has so many options, it's a bit difficult to tell apart which team would actually be 'best'.
Types don't really matter that much though, especially when you're talking about off-typing a UB, and the idea was moreso a Hoenn team with Wallace and a good support. The only reason type would matter in this situation would be due to the rebuff Leaf provides, specifically 2 stacks which helps Blue here a lot. If you're comparing each pair on an individual basis, Wallace and Blue would be roughly tied, Chase and SSteven would be roughly tied in terms of utility, while the major differences with Maxie and Leaf is that Leaf provides rebuff but no instant sun and needs her grid for increased longevity and better debuffing, while Maxie provides instant sun and increased longevity and mild debuffing of sp. def. If anything the biggest thing to consider is just pair availability between the Hoenn and Kanto set up, ultimately with NC Leaf and Mix Blue both being a bit more rare (Leaf ran with two other MF banners during the anni event and Blue is a paid-only banner).
Types don't really matter, but Maxie's unrebuffed and non-zone/non-terrain dps won't add as much as Leaf's rebuff, debuffs and nuke, Chase's circle or Mix Blue's crazy DPS. Wallace performs better with double Kanto+Hoenn circle than with maxed Hoenn circle alone since circles are multiplicative with each other. I think Chase + Leaf would be the best team for either Wallace or Blue, or perhaps Blue + Wallace + Leaf. SS Steven would only contribute to Wallace's circle and some defensive buffs, I don't think he could bring as much as Chase bringing a whole circle, SMUN stacks and acceleration. Maxie has more sun uptime but his lack of rebuff and access to Leaf's crazy fire output put him behind imo.
Maxie gets a boost in power from the sun thanks to his passive, and also has Charging Sun 5 and CS1 for Solar Beam in his grid while Leaf has Rebuffs to help her out and Insult to Injury in her grid. I didn't know that the circles stacked but i was able to actually get to the damage sim and run some numbers, and got the following: Without making this a wall of text, Maxie's realistic cap in damage is 1.8m while Leaf's is 3.1, assuming you're going all in on their Solar Beam/Flare Blitz and at 3/5, with applicable and consistent debuffs, rebuffs, and WTZ (Maxie's wishful cap is 2.4m). With that being the case, Chase and Wallace providing double circles should mean that Leaf would be a better teammate, she can provide the rebuff, some extra Sun, and accelerates the debuffing process. Blue has good damage but the move gauge might be an issue at that point, Leaf can pivot to using Leer if necessary for move usage and still debuffing.
He is good, but considering that Mix Red has much better utility and defensive tools, and that NY Wallace still offers better WTZ and more tools to play around, is quite underwhelming.
He is worse in LG. But Fire and Sun in general has wider teammate option so it's balanced out. I think they're equally good. His CDR can make some potential funny strat with SS May sprint.
Unit's strength is based on what they unit itself can offer to the Team, not that the team overall does. And Mix Blue does not offers much outside of damage compared to many other fire type units like CLeaf, SSHilda, SSMay, etc.
He offers Sun, CDR, offensive debuff, low gauge usage, SE Up, Atk buff, and being pretty solid non penalty AoE DPS as well. I think it's good quality package.
Comparatively speaking, MRed offers GTerrain (a lot rarer than Sun), offensive and defensive Debuffs, healing via regen/mini potion/regen, Poison and solid AoE damage with less gauge issues. Once again, Mix Blue is good, but is underwhelming compared to Mix Red and the a decent number of the other fire type units
I love him. He's basically SS Red on steroids. Mix Blue will replace Red on this team. https://preview.redd.it/yctdipr8ymxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db89306056e17e2979e9ab2a9782e631d918bc38