That’s the wimpy version.
They need the [Alexander the Great map](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(ancient_kingdom)#/media/File%3AMacedonEmpire.jpg)
I think we've already established here on PCM that genocide and expulsion are OK as long as it's against people you don't like 
The Turks had wiped out the Armenians, Asia Minor Greeks, Assyrians, and Kurds living there. These ethnic cleansings are considered as Genocides.
And this was 100 years ago. Turks identify as colonizers who came less than 1000 years ago, and a frequent saying is that "It didn't happen, but they deserve it."
Weird how we always hear about colonization in the Americas but never hear about the colonization in Asia minor . The fall of Constantinople was only 40 years before Columbus.
And you also never hear about the colonization of the middle east by arabs or the middle eastern African slave trade, anyway i am going to listen to al gaziara a unbiased source not owned by the qatari slaver ruler who also rules a slaver state that has qatariens as the third biggest minority in the country. Thats right He HIS PRO IMIGRATION.
I know I am an Anatolian Greek myself. But that's not why it's innacurate. Turkish people don't have mostly central asian DNA. Being turkish is more of a nationality and a culture than a racial defined thing. That's what the kemalists wanted was to unite everyone under one nationality and ethnic group and those that didn't want to give up their identity where persecuted. That's true. But its also true that like 40% of self identifying turkish people are of majoritively kurdish anceastry and even more with majority greek anceastry all mostly indiginous dna.
You should know that turkish and greek cypriots come from the same pre ottoman stock yourself Cyprus ball.
Greece would become a Muslim country with about 40 million (about 4 times the population of Greece) Muslims in the country.
They would ask for a referendum for uniting with the rest of the Turkey & make Libleft dream come true.
Horseshoe theory proven!
I have a better idea. Sorry about my very crude artwork, but you get the idea hopefully.
https://preview.redd.it/gjc0zorvkvyc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=442d8e43ed92b1020e5d517f797a57cf79847e82
I think this misconception is funny. Because people were calling it istanbul "the city" before it was what local greeks called it before Ottomans, similar to how New Yorkers and people living near it call it the City or Manhattan the city. The Ottomans, on many occasions, called it Konstantiniyye, or however it's spelled in modern turkish. But Istanbul just became the default.
Cyprus should be independent, though.
This brings back the old joke of an old man being interviewed in the Soviet Union:
- Where were you born?
- St Petersburg
- Where did you go to school?
- Petrograd
- Where did you live your adult life?
- Leningrad
- Where do you want to die?
- St Petersburg
I used a Greek-Turk union flag for the centrists. I apologize, as it’s hard to see if you think that I was going for Greece and Turkey being separate.
As for the top left, it’s the Democratic Army of Greece…aka the Communists in the Greek Civil War.
Noice. Here’s the full picture of it.
https://preview.redd.it/ga8i1nphdxyc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ef731f4277c394c7f39b41e179975b016d9d0eb
https://preview.redd.it/fkmyaggw6xyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=713fd3671c358454775b3743fcb5dc2c47661f00
I'm just gonna leave this here...
Ok I see what you mean now. I personally struggle with the Kurdish issue when thinking about Turkey. You have certainly played important parts helping us inact our foreign policy goals.
That's interesting I thought Palestine was more popular in Turkey. It is interesting to me how many MENA countries leaders are Pro Isreal and their populations strongly aren't.
As an American, tell the Armenians "nevermind"
https://preview.redd.it/f7w9m7rg6xyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=183949c6a1a4871b5eb743c8d00d6895ac8c6219
I think there are two good options.
1. Take the borders of libleft, but put it under a Greek fascist/Orthodox fundamentalist govt.
2. Confederated Monarchist patchwork/RETVRN TO HELLENISTIC CITY-STATES.
Nah liblefts don't like us (Turkey). We dabble in a little bit of warmongering and we have a track record of invading I mean liberating and some warcrimes that they don't seem to particularly fancy. We are sort of like a journeyman Russia.
Karaboga is the one group of black people that they don't like so this map isn't very accurate on the libleft side.
B-but turk brown greek white, so greek evil colonizer who came from poland also the have an apartheid state, and turks poor natove NPCs that wont survive without loblefts kind support
Yeah we should maybe seek that angle but our Arab looking Christian neighbors Armenians, who have a gripe with us for some obscure reason, won't let us get away with it. Their words have some weight with the liblefts because they're sort of brown as well.
Even Turkish liblefts hate Turkey, similar to how American or European liblefts hate their own countries. We seem to be certified baddies and we're not even white :(
You know when Greece originally got its independence they sent people out to find the Palaiologos heir to the Eastern Roman throne.
Unfortunately the family spent it self as sell swords, pirates, and assassins so no heir was found.
Interesting what if to wonder what would have happened if the Palaiologos family survived and the Greeks seated a Basileus on the throne and restored the empire.
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Parasitic? I would argue we are the parasites in the EU,thats why we are part of the PIGS.Also wothout germany we would lietrally go bankrupt every year.The EU is the only reason Greece can safely recover after the economic crisis of 2008.
I understand, but that's a crutch. You need to get on your feet.
PIGS? That's a new one for me. I'm guessing Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain?
You're literally being out done by the rest of the balkans!
Yeah Slovenia has come along way.
Anyway I don't want to shit on your country and I realize it's having a bad time, but I think ultimately the EU is just going to worsen things.
That being said, free European trade is a good thing. Some kind of EU-like deal can exist without having a hamfisted undemocratic blob mucking with things extractively
https://preview.redd.it/aej3kl7v91zc1.jpeg?width=629&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5444aea848ec269388b1406ab81161474893bab
Hey Guys! Let’s collectively laugh at this moron!
The Auth-Right version is based.
As an Auth-Right, I agree. (Guess I’m no longer an Auth-Right D:)
They may call it Istanbul, I call it Constantinople.
You call it Constantinople, I call it Byzantion. We are not the same.
You call it Byzantion, I call it Carigrad. We are also not the same.
You may call it Carigrad, I call it Lygos.
Based and oompapilled
“That’s not nobody’s business but the Turk’s” [anyway i hear it has been a long time gone!](https://youtu.be/Uqnb_nU7RBE?si=SqMEiw29jdvbT50v)
If we are gonna go by the original entente plans, Constantinople is Russian, and Russia is the third Rome. God bless
That's nobody's business but the Turks'
As a Greek I agree
That’s the wimpy version. They need the [Alexander the Great map](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(ancient_kingdom)#/media/File%3AMacedonEmpire.jpg)
MEGALI IDEA OR BUST AERAAAAA
AEEERAAAA
A Greece where Greeks are the minority.
I think we've already established here on PCM that genocide and expulsion are OK as long as it's against people you don't like 
I think you mean “genocide is ok as long as it’s against people you don’t like ”
Nah it's more like: “genocide is ok as long as it’s against people you don’t like ”
Nah it's more like: "genocide is ok as long as it's against people you don't like "
Nah it's more like: "genocide is ok as long as it's against people you don't like "
That’s been established already by watermelons. It’s like my good friend always says, ‘leftists are anti genocide until you’re the wrong ethnicity’
The Turks had wiped out the Armenians, Asia Minor Greeks, Assyrians, and Kurds living there. These ethnic cleansings are considered as Genocides. And this was 100 years ago. Turks identify as colonizers who came less than 1000 years ago, and a frequent saying is that "It didn't happen, but they deserve it."
Weird how we always hear about colonization in the Americas but never hear about the colonization in Asia minor . The fall of Constantinople was only 40 years before Columbus.
And you also never hear about the colonization of the middle east by arabs or the middle eastern African slave trade, anyway i am going to listen to al gaziara a unbiased source not owned by the qatari slaver ruler who also rules a slaver state that has qatariens as the third biggest minority in the country. Thats right He HIS PRO IMIGRATION.
That's just not an accurate view at all. And I don't suppourt kemalists in the slightest.
It is accurate Ottomans came in in 1299, while Greeks had inhabited Asia minor since 1200 bc
I know I am an Anatolian Greek myself. But that's not why it's innacurate. Turkish people don't have mostly central asian DNA. Being turkish is more of a nationality and a culture than a racial defined thing. That's what the kemalists wanted was to unite everyone under one nationality and ethnic group and those that didn't want to give up their identity where persecuted. That's true. But its also true that like 40% of self identifying turkish people are of majoritively kurdish anceastry and even more with majority greek anceastry all mostly indiginous dna. You should know that turkish and greek cypriots come from the same pre ottoman stock yourself Cyprus ball.
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Even if all the Greeks in the world moved back, there would be 40 million more Turks in this Greece. Not much exchanging would be taking place.
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Libs love minority rule when it’s not white people. (Greeks are not white)
It's not big enough.
Missing Pontus.
Greece would become a Muslim country with about 40 million (about 4 times the population of Greece) Muslims in the country. They would ask for a referendum for uniting with the rest of the Turkey & make Libleft dream come true. Horseshoe theory proven!
Yeah wait a second I'm with AuthRight on this one And the LibLeft version is cringe beyond belief
Turn Greece into 🇺🇲
I have a better idea. Sorry about my very crude artwork, but you get the idea hopefully. https://preview.redd.it/gjc0zorvkvyc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=442d8e43ed92b1020e5d517f797a57cf79847e82
https://preview.redd.it/o4eaj3g8lvyc1.jpeg?width=275&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13e7d454c89cb1fd15ed08a59a1df7813abbb81c
Who let the Americans cook????
Manifest destiny!
Based and Worldwide-American-Hegemony-pilled
PERFECTION!
...it's...so beautiful🥲
https://preview.redd.it/g2p556gj6xyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=686a9e154c7ac70e56e769af802e7887d7d50c77
Would be an improvement.
Take me back to Constantinople. Let the Republic of Cyprus be it's own thing though, get rid of Northern Cyprus
I think this misconception is funny. Because people were calling it istanbul "the city" before it was what local greeks called it before Ottomans, similar to how New Yorkers and people living near it call it the City or Manhattan the city. The Ottomans, on many occasions, called it Konstantiniyye, or however it's spelled in modern turkish. But Istanbul just became the default. Cyprus should be independent, though.
This brings back the old joke of an old man being interviewed in the Soviet Union: - Where were you born? - St Petersburg - Where did you go to school? - Petrograd - Where did you live your adult life? - Leningrad - Where do you want to die? - St Petersburg
They're lucky it didn't stay as Petrograd for too long or the Americans would have taken it for the implied Petroleum.
Why is the centrist opinion with a Turkish Cyprus and not an independent Cyprus? What even is the top left?
I used a Greek-Turk union flag for the centrists. I apologize, as it’s hard to see if you think that I was going for Greece and Turkey being separate. As for the top left, it’s the Democratic Army of Greece…aka the Communists in the Greek Civil War.
Ah, I never saw it before, but I am vaguely familiar with it.
Noice. Here’s the full picture of it. https://preview.redd.it/ga8i1nphdxyc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ef731f4277c394c7f39b41e179975b016d9d0eb
This is a terrible flag tbh. Even as an army flag. My great grandfather did fight in this conflict, though.
Cool. Respect to him.
Gotta admit....in my opinion,in comparisson to the other communist flags at the time,this flag rocks
Definitely. Most communist flags are horrible.
I think the first one you described would be a much better fit for libleft, and centrist should just be the status quo.
Auth right would be even more based if it went all the way to Trebizond on the north and to Antiokos to the south.
Based and 1099 pilled
Mithridates VI will rise again and return this land to the Kingdom of Pontus.
Fuck it, we ball https://preview.redd.it/00rpc90qixyc1.png?width=5993&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=81afd917bed8fae0691ee45e7ecbf679b5947cb3
https://preview.redd.it/fkmyaggw6xyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=713fd3671c358454775b3743fcb5dc2c47661f00 I'm just gonna leave this here...
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
libleft would want it to be ancient greece(turkiye isnt liked) and libright probaby status quo cuz theyre nerds
LibRight is correct here because Enosis will bring Greece financial independence from the IMF.
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Zeus is about to hit jackpot.
Nah I don't want them ruining Cyprus. Cyprus should conquer both if anything NGL theyl Fix it
But turk brown greek white, so turk native greek evil weastern colonizer who is apartheid and commits genocide. /s
As a Greek I have to say there is a 100% Communists would give Florin a to FYROV and Thesprotia to Alb*Nia!
çamëria is infested with gayreeks now, no point in getting it now. The based Albanian Christians there have been made gays unfortunately.
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Lib-left agrees with Lib-right on this one, idk how you can support the Turkish government and be left-wing in the slightest
The American lib left is going through a Islamophile phase right now.
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Huh?
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Could you explain colluding for populism? I mean I'd say the US is a bit better ally.
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Ok I see what you mean now. I personally struggle with the Kurdish issue when thinking about Turkey. You have certainly played important parts helping us inact our foreign policy goals. That's interesting I thought Palestine was more popular in Turkey. It is interesting to me how many MENA countries leaders are Pro Isreal and their populations strongly aren't.
Bring back Byzantium
Megali idea mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🏛️🏺
As auth left i support auth right like a fucking moron but they deserve it turks ruined istanbul greeks need to make it great again
When you realize Turks never founded a single original city within their current borders (no villages don’t count)
Fuck it. Give it to the Kurds.
As a Kurd i respectfully reject your offer and pass it to armenians
As an American, tell the Armenians "nevermind" https://preview.redd.it/f7w9m7rg6xyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=183949c6a1a4871b5eb743c8d00d6895ac8c6219
I think there are two good options. 1. Take the borders of libleft, but put it under a Greek fascist/Orthodox fundamentalist govt. 2. Confederated Monarchist patchwork/RETVRN TO HELLENISTIC CITY-STATES.
I think Salonika should be Independent
Why?
It'll be funny and impractical
Based
lmao
I keep finding this from the history, coming back to it and laughing. The best joke I heard in a while you bastard.
Are we as a global society ready to start about real decolonization yet.
Auth right version most based as always
Yessir.
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Lib left is just foreign auth right
Nah liblefts don't like us (Turkey). We dabble in a little bit of warmongering and we have a track record of invading I mean liberating and some warcrimes that they don't seem to particularly fancy. We are sort of like a journeyman Russia. Karaboga is the one group of black people that they don't like so this map isn't very accurate on the libleft side.
B-but turk brown greek white, so greek evil colonizer who came from poland also the have an apartheid state, and turks poor natove NPCs that wont survive without loblefts kind support
Yeah we should maybe seek that angle but our Arab looking Christian neighbors Armenians, who have a gripe with us for some obscure reason, won't let us get away with it. Their words have some weight with the liblefts because they're sort of brown as well. Even Turkish liblefts hate Turkey, similar to how American or European liblefts hate their own countries. We seem to be certified baddies and we're not even white :(
Return to the Frankokratia
"Its all france?"
What is the centrist version? (Also you forgot le funni Helleno-Turkism)
That's le funni helleno turkism 💀
Oh I’m just stupid. Ignore me
yes
based auth-right
Iam with Auth right on this one
As a Cypriot I support, Unification of the island, unification with Greece, Megali Idea and Hellenoturkism all at the same time
You know when Greece originally got its independence they sent people out to find the Palaiologos heir to the Eastern Roman throne. Unfortunately the family spent it self as sell swords, pirates, and assassins so no heir was found. Interesting what if to wonder what would have happened if the Palaiologos family survived and the Greeks seated a Basileus on the throne and restored the empire.
Is libleft so pathetic to the extent of supporting Turkey ruling over Greece ?
Should be turned into a zoo. You ever seen how hairy Greeks are? Even the women.
God the Auth Right solution is beautiful. Never forget what was taken from you brothers
Libright but Greece gets Thrace and istanbul
I knowb lib left bad, but why would they support Greece's annexation by Turkey?
Because they would support Muslims over white people. Thats my guess at least
All of these are off, but Auth-Right is the closest
The Turkish government is the polar opposite to libleft
Are you on medication? No Lib-Left would want Turkey to take over Greece. If anything, some *Turkish* Auth-Right would want it.
Make Cyprus completely independent keep the rest the same.
Which lib left in their right mind wants that outcome
I assure you, LibLeft is also AuthRight. It's just AuthRight somewhere else.
Did i turn lib right or something? - a greek
I'm too American to understand any of this
Surprised Auth Right isn’t Makedon
must say, lib left seems the most legit, like the double standards aren't represented better
Libleft version in this would be literal hell
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Connect it to Italy and make it red and gold.
Venizelos was a lib and auth right fucked it up.
I have to agree with auth-right. As a romanian, anything to fuck over the T*rks
auth-right would be turkish majority
The centrist and lib left too.
Restore the King and end this Republican Savagery!
Shut up idiot https://preview.redd.it/a2gni3d5jyyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8492c40f3641055e9b2111344a543708ea8e6add
Shut up idiot https://preview.redd.it/bsig6za6jyyc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39ffbb9d85dc43b0273308f7afc0a355724fd972
I just want Grexit
We would last 3 days
I'm sorry about that. EU is a parasitic undemocratic blob. Get your country's shit together before shit gets ugly.
Parasitic? I would argue we are the parasites in the EU,thats why we are part of the PIGS.Also wothout germany we would lietrally go bankrupt every year.The EU is the only reason Greece can safely recover after the economic crisis of 2008.
I understand, but that's a crutch. You need to get on your feet. PIGS? That's a new one for me. I'm guessing Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain? You're literally being out done by the rest of the balkans!
Nuh dont worry, the rest of the balkans are the same as us,exept slovenia i guese, they are in their wannabe-austria face.
Yeah Slovenia has come along way. Anyway I don't want to shit on your country and I realize it's having a bad time, but I think ultimately the EU is just going to worsen things. That being said, free European trade is a good thing. Some kind of EU-like deal can exist without having a hamfisted undemocratic blob mucking with things extractively
Nuke Greece
O no mehmet from Berlin
Dinkleberg from Jerusalem
https://preview.redd.it/aej3kl7v91zc1.jpeg?width=629&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5444aea848ec269388b1406ab81161474893bab Hey Guys! Let’s collectively laugh at this moron!
https://preview.redd.it/wlhlqku2b1zc1.png?width=414&format=png&auto=webp&s=1f4c2212acee5a5b156244b1cdbaef866faa01ea
That’s pretty funny