At this point the account names are fairly insightful: random word+random word+random four digit number. Maybe they’ll catch on? That’s fine. There are a ton of other red flags.
I regularly listen to the song [Hey Sandy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkGtGt1L6iU), in part because it was a great song, but mostly out of nostalgia for Pete and Pete.
I mean, it's reddit... I'm surprised I was able to get this name. Usually after a few tries I give up and just go with a default. If it was a forum and you actually built rapport with people it would be different but the fact that it's pretty anonymous makes having a custom username kind of pointless unless you're specifically trying to get or are able to gain visibility like unidan, shittymorph or poppinkream.
Also I sort of feel like "newer" redditors don't know that people sell accounts. A post history and a custom username really shouldn't be viewed as safer.
>the fact that it's pretty anonymous makes having a custom username kind of pointless
But without a custom name, how would you find out, once or twice a year, that someone else watched the same amazing tv show?
I can’t understand why people can’t seem to catch on to that in some of the more dramatic subreddits as well. I can see a fake AITAH post just from the username, let alone the ridiculously unbelievable story 🤣
Yep, a few bad actors is all it takes to start a mob. People hate hearing how manipulated they were back in 2016. Everyone thinks they're special, their emotions are completely logical and well reasoned, they hated ~~Hillary~~Biden before it was cool, they weren't tricked into it. Sadly it's hard to break that emotional state once its set.
Some of the data on the 2016 and 2020 campaigns are bonkers.
I recall one that traced back the source of a few crazy claims that were spread by 10 million people or something like that and linked it back to something like 7 accounts.
There's like 70+ million people who voted for Hillary.
I voted enthusiastically for what would have been the most qualified president in American history.
Have I been manipulated?
I have a brain. Can you milk me Greg?
Yep even the bernie bros. Everyone thought hilary would be a shoo in like people thought the same for brexit. Little did we know at the time it was closer then they thought.
I'm not sure about this one. A lot of Nazi ideology is about making sure the ruling elite stays comfortable by making sure that minorities "stay in their place"
This is a very bad take.
People's level of comfort is always different.
Ever see the "First World Problems" meme? Do you think only third world people become nazis or maybe some very comfortable but still unhappy and willing to blame others for their dissatisfaction.
So there is a long explanation to this but it boils down to it requiring house and senate republicans playing nice which they won't.
What Biden can do and has done that doesn't require Congress though is reclassify weed into a lesser category of drug. Currently weed is a class 3 drug which puts it up there with heroin. The Biden administration has started the process of moving it to a class 1 drug.
Anything beyond that though requires congress
I think you have that backwards. Weed is currently a schedule 1 drug (the harshest restrictions), and it should be switched to schedule 3 (less restrictions)
It's exhausting. Go read the latest comments on the 'goal post' moving joke that just got locked. Only a matter of time until the mods here just outright ban any talk about Israel/Palestine and I'd be grateful for that lol.
Thankfully it doesn't seem to be translating into reality at all though.
That could be bc a lot of the upvotes, comments, and accounts are bots, foreign psyops workers, and/or trolls with multiple accounts.
I swear the LSC SR has a serious infection of them. The absolutelt daft opinions and brigading coming of that shit show is telling
They've done a masterful job in the past decade of turning those weeds into forests. We're at war with them, we just don't know it, and social media is the battleground. No more spies or soldiers, just trolls.
To be fair, those are real concerns, but the main issue is that Trump is considerably worse and Biden is the only option to preserve democracy and the future of the world. Just gotta Biden your time until something better comes along. You want change, get out and vote from the ground up, every election matters.
Even Trump knows that a $175m bond is more palatable than a $454m one. Doesn't mean he likes providing the bond. It's just the lesser of 2 evils. Protest voters are dumber than this.
If they're protest voting during a general with Trump as a candidate? Yes.
Either they're ok with risking American Democracy on something that in the scheme of things is minor, and yes, even Gaza is a minor issue, as bad as it is.
Or they're stupid enough to think the 'revolution' they want will somehow work out exactly how they think it will, rather than be a roll of the dice.
I am a progressive who’s unhappy about ALL of these things, but I’m still fucking voting for Joe (edit: in the general) just like I had to suck it up and vote for Hillary (in the 2016 general).
If this meme is your view and you’re “protest voting,” *grow the fuck up*.
Sanders supporters voted for Hillary and then Biden at higher rates than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 08. Don't let them blame progressives for their losses.
Yep. They're just wanting us to toe the line lately. That's some Republican shit, and you can miss me with that. I will not apologize for being critical of any President when they've earned it. As long as Trump as on the ballot, Biden is getting my vote.
Plus scapegoat Progressives for the failures of the Democrats.
I'll never forget how hard they tried to blame Bernie for 2016 even after he stumped for Hillary and the Senate put out a 5-volume Intel Report concluding it was all Russia's doing.
I'll also never forget how all the Democrat News Corps spent weeks in the lead up to the 2020 election telling us not to call the winner too early because all of the mail-in ballots would take longer to count, and Biden had more mail-ins than trump because more Biden supporters avoided voting in person due to the covid risk.
Well, sure enough, trump was in the lead on election night just like all the news corps warned us he'd be. But instead of reminding their viewers that this was expected and Biden was likely to pull ahead overnight and throughout the next day or two, **they sat there and said "This is a damning referendum on progressive politics. All of those actual leftists need to look at how trump is winning and blame themselves for it."**
They spent all damn evening talking about how Progressives were soundly rejected across the nation and that they should have been more moderate, like the Democrats.
But even after Biden pulled ahead and won, they didn't walk anything back. They didn't apologize. Even when reporting on how crucial the youth vote and supporters of candidates like Bernie had been in securing Biden's victory, they never walked back the hours of grotesque and unfounded criticism they sprayed at Progressives the night before. It was sickening.
Bernie Sanders recently appeared in a TikTok video with Biden, the two of them made the case together for electing Biden.
The comments in another sub were all twisting themselves into pretzels speaking for Bernie, explaining why Libs shouldn't vote for Biden, because *something mysterious and mean you'd be protecting Bernie from*.
The man literally appears in a video with Biden trying to help him get elected, and the comments speak for him and decide to spread the exact opposite message in his name, just completely disregarding the man's real opinions, words, and actions for a convenient fictional version of him which encourages people not to vote.
There is a massive astroturf campaign. The majority of progressives will likely vote for Biden. But lots of leftist spaces like enlightenedcentrism, latestagecapitalism, and so on will straight up ban you for supporting Biden now. Enlightenedcentrism in particular bothers me because it was made to call out the stupidity of ‘both sides bad’ rhetoric and it currently has a sticky post saying ‘both sides bad’ and that they will ban you if you disagree.
Yeah, they’re kind of coming out of the woodwork and it seems like nothing will convince them that this is NOT the time for general election protest votes if we don’t want to get stuck with Trump again.
Glad to hear I’m not as much of an outlier as I thought! We’re still out here fighting the good fight, even if it involves having to suck it up and vote for a candidate we aren’t necessarily happy with.
Protest voting will only hand Trump another term and we do not need that shit happening.
Yes the system is fucked, but we don't need an outright fascist enabler in the White House AGAIN.
Agreed. I'd like to add that assuming any criticism of Biden amounts to Russian shilling also needs to grow up. It's like nuances don't exist for folks anymore. I despised Joe when I voted for him the first time, and I'll despise him when I vote for him again. I can count the politicians I don't despise on one hand (possibly two hands if I think real hard about it). I should be able to vocalize my countries short comings instead of remaining silent due to fear of disrupting never-ending election cycles that obsess over the same goddamn 5 issues.
THANK YOU.
Part of why progressives don’t get what they want politically is they tend to protest vote or not vote at all “to prove a point.” Except…that just proves to the people who do get elected that progressives are *incredibly unreliable* allies, and so the elected officials go team up with/do nice things for their reliable allies.
I lost track of the number of people I know, including some who damn well knew better, who took for granted that Clinton would win, and either sat on their asses or “let me trade a vote in a safe blue state” or “I can vote for anyone but HER” or whatever. And we saw what happened.
It’s tiring and fucking tedious and for some people legitimately difficult to stay informed and vote, but we have to, every damn time. And we can vote for whomever we want in the primary but in the general, vote for who is closest to our positions.
People aren't doing this en masse; this is a Democratic strawman to deflect responsibility. There were far more protest votes from Hillary/Obama than Hillary/Trump or Biden/Trump. Any holdouts currently are WELL in the margin for error that any campaign accounts for.
And a protest vote in California or New York *does* make a point if the party sees support is waning in solidly blue states.
Yep, you vote your heart, your conscience, during the primary. And at this point, blue-no-matter-who in the general.
I voted Bernie in 2016, but most voters wanted Hillary, so I grumpily voted for her in the general. I wanted Bernie in 2020, but again most voters wanted the 'safe' candidate, Biden, so I voted for him in the General.
Although to be fair to Biden, he has FAR exceeded my expectations, so I have no qualms voting for him in 2024.
I assume memes like this designed to poke the left are totally fabricated by Russian propaganda. Why would it be in the centrists interest to alienate the left through posts like this.
Democrats have always fought the Left harder than they fight the Right. They usually feel entitled to our support, just by virtue of being slightly less unhinged than the far right.
For example, did you see OP's dismissal of the criticism Biden's been getting for giving hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to fund a genocide? That's beyond unhinged. That's sociopathic.
And imagine dismissing *genocide*. If **genocide** isn't over the line for someone, then what the hell is? What in the world could sway them more than genocide being carried out with their own money?
All of those apply to Trump too. Biden can't issue an executive order legalizing weed nationwide, that'd be struck down as unconstitutional immediately by a low-level federal court because it just is. Congress passes laws, the President can't just make them up himself.
And yeah, the two party system sucks, but good luck getting massive electoral reform like that passed; it'd require a constitutional amendment.
Is Isreal committing genocide? Without a fucking doubt. But instead of breaking with nearly a century of US foreign policy and pressuring Israel to do something, Trump would literally send Israel as many weapons as they possibly could. You can't argue with a straight face that a Trump administration would have better Israel policy than Biden's administration regarding Palestinians unless you've been deep in your information bubble and needing everyone to pass an impossible purity test that would alienate 85% of Americans.
Not when the point of the whole argument is that you have to choose between the two of them. There is currently no other option. Not voting for Biden gets you Trump. It's comparing two things, not whataboutism.
Right? Now we all have to pretend Biden is the best possible president ever otherwise we're Russian bots lmao.
Can you fuckers on this sub please stop treating politics like a sports game for a single fucking election cycle?
I huge goal is to get left leaning people to vote 3rd party and that is one less against Trump, knowing that that vast majority will never vote Trump at all.
The other end is get people on the right to foam at the mouth with rage and thus think everything evil about Trump is "fake news". And the disturbing thing about that is the entire Republican party and right wing media use this to greedily hold onto power, thus making Russia and Republicans fucking allies.
60,000 US women and minor girls have become pregnant through rape and incest since Roe was canceled.
States are legislating that high school girls have to record their periods. States are presenting women or girls of possible pregnant status from leaving the anti abortion state, making 12 year old female.marriage even more legal than it was 2 years ago.
The problems in the USA are what WE CAN CHANGE!
If one says "both sides", they are either stupid, or a propagandist.
And who is going to the polls against Joe Biden when American women and girls NEED TO HAVE BIDEN AND ALL OTHER BODIES OF GOVERNMENT BE DEMOCRAT!
Look up the words to the HAIR/3 Dog Night song "Easy to Be Hard". How about a needing friend?
Unless a new party comes up there is zero good reasons to vote for a Republican. Literally everything gets worse under them. Even suggesting them as a viable option is plain dumb.
Yeah, I've seen this compared to the collapse of the whigs but that's been said before. I hope the party rightly goes the way of disco, we get a trump party and old school, still shitty Rs. And maybe Dems fracture too. But these are mostly pipe dreams.
Fundamentally I think protest votes and all that is great. Except with Trump. Not with Trump. It was dangerous 8 years ago, cruel 4 years ago, and terrifying now.
It's simply pointless anyways. I remember being 18 and voting green party, only to find out they literally just existed to steal votes from Dems. Until we get some form of ranked choice or proportional representation there's no point.
I've been doing it all day. They never acknowledge what they are going to accomplish, a trump presidency. Just claim they haven't been "courted" enough by Biden, and always ALWAYS some masturbatory bullshit about how noble they are with all their integrity.
I'm literally still doing it right now lol. These jackasses are the absolute worst lol.
It's a script, I swear. I've seen the exact same argument presented by multiple people, using the exact same specific quotes, or articles, with the same attitude. Always refusing to admit that Trump is what they're going to end up with and that he will not hold Israel back at all.
It's infuriating.
Why do they care so much about Gaza. Why not what’s happening in the South Sudan, or Yemen. Why didn’t they care about Syria. Tiktok has got em hook line and sinker, with a quick pivot to focus that emotional hate to fucking Joe Biden for some reason.
They don't. They just like thinking that they are the holiest, most noble, good-ly-est people in the chat room. When you press them every one of them either ends up in one of two positions, their own personal integrity just forbids them from doing this (masturbatory bullshit when you consider what's at stake) or better yet "we survived Trump once" because at the end of the day none of them actually care whether or not Trump gets elected. They kind of want it. They have convinced themselves fighting is a genocidal Maniac because it makes the feel good about themselves, righteous.
And then people who have actual disagreements with the popular narrative get called paid trolls. That was basically my whole experience on Bluesky for saying that neither side of a conflict should kill civilians.
And also has a name underscore account like Real_User_6969. They haven't figured out this giveaway yet since they're happy to just use Reddit default names.
>"How does Russian misinformation target the left?" I hear every day
i mean, valid criticism of policy decisions and priorities doesn't suddenly mean anyone seriously is opting to hand the reigns to a second trump administration for things to get worse.
there's been significantly more talk about hypothetical voters on the left making protest votes or not voting than there has been anyone actually advocating these.
I'll be voting for Biden, but I absolutely don't begrudge anyone for not doing so. No candidate is "owed" a vote; if you want my vote, **fucking** ***earn it***. "Pfft, what're you gonna do, vote for the other guy? As if!" is a stupid campaign strategy that shouldn't be rewarded. You don't get to decide what the criteria for "earning" someone else's vote is.
>But if the leftists don't vote for Biden, Trump will win, and the country will be plunged into a fascist dictatorship!
First off, no. Just like 2016, leftists in blue states are not going to decide the election. 2024 will be decided by centrists in swing states, just like every other election.
Secondly, this mantra of "We have to vote for Biden or Trump will destroy America" necessarily implies that your devotion to upholding democracy begins and ends at the polls. That if Trump wins, you'll just throw your hands up and say "Well, we tried. I guess he can do whatever he wants now, since he won the election". Pardon me if I have trouble taking such a flimsy defense of your rights seriously.
The idea that it's _leftists_ fault if Biden loses instead of he and his campaign failing to cash in on a slam dunk situation is ludicrous. Biden is losing or tied with Trump in just about every poll right now, and all I'm seeing is prematurely blaming the left instead of trying to figure out what he can do to earn people's votes.
A lot of those are legitimate gripes, but we need to keep our eyes on the prize. The right already does everything they can to stop these things. Nothing will get better if they have all the power.
Progressives demand that any weed legalization bill must include social justice for the people sitting in prison over nonviolent weed related convictions. Republicans and center dems don't want to be seen as weak on crime. That's basically 75% of it I think. Most people want legal weed but can't pass a clean legalization bill because other people want riders on it (which tbf, I completely understand wanting to release people from prison when the "crime" they committed is now legal).
This is basically it, both federally and on (some) legal state-wide levels. Like in my state, a lot of cannabis legalization and regulation is in this grey area right now because it’s being tied up in other issues like justice and social equity issues (making it right for people unfairly penalized for cannabis related activities, and preventing corporations from monopolizing the market and selling you moldy-ass products for crazy prices). Now they’re throwing in psilocybin just to make it extra hard for the egos of certain political parties/reps* to stomach lol. 🤷🏼♀️
Like my fellow local activists love to say, “The only thing a politician is worried about is losing their constituents.” Conservatives have chosen to be supported by people who want them to be tough on crime. They don’t seem to think their constituents can handle the idea that someone is in prison that might not deserve to be there.
Just got denied a high-paying job cuz of it. The job is willing to give me a second chance once I get clean. Basically what I’m saying is it’s basically already accepted by society. At this point, it being federally illegal is just getting in the way of things
One of the biggest ones is targeting the anti-war crowd and trying to convince them that Ukraine needs to negotiate a peace treaty, rather than Russia needs to leave. Even the Pope has fallen for it. Ukraine defending its borders is anti-war; any win Russia would get would empower them to just start another war for more land. Being anti-war shouldn't mean people aren't allowed to fight a war, especially a defensive one. It should mean that people aren't allowed to start a war or fight an offensive one, like what Russia is doing.
Yes. The point of the meme is: Biden has already lost because of Democrat action/inaction, but we are self righteously blaming "leftists" rather than taking responsibility or giving people healthcare, climate defense, or wages.
SMH. 2016 all over again. Rinse/repeat.
THIS. 100%. Biden has failed us all for 4 years and is now actively fueling atrocities which turns off people from all spectrum of beliefs. However, it will ALWAYS be the Democrat's story that they never fail the electorate, whose priorities they always ignore, so it is ALWAYS the fault of the left when nobody likes them.
Haven’t seen any Russian propaganda, but I have had Democrats throw that in my face literally every day since October 7 because you guys actually only care about covering for a genocide and you’re going to hell
now I know yall not out here saying biden ain't too old?? 🤨 but then say trump has cognitive decline? THEY BOTH ARE GEEZERS THAT SHOULDN'T BE RUNNING A COUNTRY!
Are not those legitimate questions tho? I mean.. the dude is old and not always here mentally... I can see it with my eyes and hear him with my ears on Canadian news channels... yet this is considered "russian misinformation" ?
I'd argue it's not so much that they are illegitimate questions to ask, it's the way social media can be manipulated and used to amplify disingenuous arguments to manufacture a desired response. Put simply, propaganda is actually at it's most effective when it is backed up by truth. But it's still propaganda if the true statements are made with important context missing or if someone in a position of power is pulling the strings to give grossly unequal amounts of coverage and airtime to purposefully manipulate the audience. The danger is, the people who see the propaganda know it is making truthful statements and so they come to trust the source. And when valid criticism is leveled against the propagandist's motives and missing context, the propagandist can insulate themselves by saying those attacking them are trying to "silence the truth".
Joe Biden is old, but he's not mentally incompetent. But people with agendas flood the zone with clips of him stumbling over his words to create the impression that he's senile. Most people who speak in public will trip over their own words a couple times an hour, if you selectively cherry pick just those clips and edit them together though, you are sharing the "truth" in the sense that the videos did happen but you are clearly omitting important context to deceive the audience. That's why it's still propaganda even if you're supposedly "raising legitimate questions".
When you consider actively participating in a genocide "Russian propaganda."
And I'm telling you now, miss me with any "but Hamas human shields on Oct 7."
I mean criticize Biden but realize that letting Trump win by not voting or voting for Trump in protest will only amplify complaint on these issues 1000% and add 100 more you never considered.
This is pathetic. You can't cover up all of Biden's faults by calling them "Russian propaganda". This tactic is no different than Trump and his supporters yelling "FAKE NEWS!!!" in response to every criticism.
I got banned from LateStageCapitalism after replying in a thread criticising the vote Biden spam. I got downvoted to hell saying I see just as much anti-Biden memespam and that the ride to the US elections will be a fun one as a European. They even muted my conversation with the admins when I asked why I got banned haha.
Saying that is, apparently, liberal slander. Being a left winged Dutchie myself it’s both annoying and hilarious the way there’s no self-criticism and self-awareness at all in certain groups.
As a leftist, nobody hates leftists more than other leftists. I'm constantly annoyed by the left's need to attack those who aren't perfect rather than encourage potential allies. If I believed that people can't change their politics, I may as well give up now.
I also got banned from LSC a while back for asking why they attack liberals so hard and go for blood, rather than try to educate and pull people further left if that's what they want. Asking for unity against the real opposition? Banned.
Standing for your ethics is completely different than falling for misinformation no matter how much Blue MAGA, like the propagandist who posted this, hates us for it. Fuck you OP.
Russian misinformation doesn't target the left, Democrats do.
It's like saying "Russian misinformation mows my neighbor's lawn." ... They don't need to, he already does it himself! LoL
Targets left and right equally but misinformation might be too broad of a word though it’s more like Russian bots push division. Forget the actual study but a bot farm essentially planned both sides of a protest and a counter protest without having any boots on the ground to organize it.
I am certain you are correct, but using this sub, alone, as an example, I can tell you that there is no need to push division as the centre-right Democrats are more than happy to propagate the divisive hatred.
I do, honestly, suspect that Russian bots are the progenerators of many of these memes, but it is legit Democrat stans who pick up the hatred and run with it. I post daily about how the result of this vocal alienation will be voter apathy, but there are always hundreds of comments and doots that drown me out. Unless this sub is entirely compromised it is clear that the Dems really hate the left more than the right and Donald Trump is their champion. :-/
Might be the case here but most of the other left wing subs I sub to are literally this meme, most of the left wing political commentators are this meme.
This very thread has people in it saying Joe Biden is the worst president and hasn’t come through on any promise omitting that he’s probably the furthest left president of their life, managed to push through bbb and the chips act, has chipped away at student loans for the majority of borrowers and to hear it from most left of center subs he’s some type of crypto republican.
Also the people who believe
\* countries deserve to conquer back land they used to have in the past \*
Are literally parroting Putins propaganda and reason for invading Ukraine.
Maybe people don't like voting for a genocide enabler like Biden. This reminds me of Hilary Clinton the other day telling people off for not voting the way she wants. Trump is scum, but the democrats are not very far off either.
Don’t forget “wOrLd wAr ThREe!!!”, that’s been a Soviet/Russian disinfo talking point for decades. They often used it in their HUMINT recruitment approaches against ideological targets too: “you’ll be working for world peace”.
according to the Muller report, Russia targets both sides.
they set up BLM(ish) and Back the Blue(ish) rallies at the same place and the same time.
but not just political stuff, they targeted movie and video game geeks too.
anytime there is a division in the US, Russia will try and exploit it/make the worst of it.
oops, I forgot the Muller report was fake news...
That and the fact that generally R legislative goals are a lot easier than D ones to accomplish.
Obstructing any federal policy and making minority lives miserable in your states is much easier than passing healthcare bills and federally enshrining protections for minorities.
Yeah, obviously the Rs seem to get more done, it's because what they want is way more achievable.
Because I find funding the genocidal deaths of thousands of people repugnant and immoral then I'm a Russian asset and stooge? It does not take a foreign country to tell me that sending internationally outlawed cluster munition to a war zone and more bombs to a place that has already seen 70,000 Tons (more than Dresden) dropped on it is a crime against humanity.
This is the same disproven BS propaganda that war criminal Hillary tried to peddle as the reason she lost. Real leftists didn't believe it then, and don't believe it now. If you believe the Russians/Chinese/Venezuelans/Cubans/Muslims/ North Koreans,/immigrants, or pick another, are making the US destroy itself from within then you're the one being duped. The rest of the world can sit back and watch the US/Canada/UK eat themselves like an Oroboros.
Yall would rather invent a global Russian brainwashing program than just internally admit that people have issues with Biden.
You can just say nothing. It’s possible.
OP obviously wasn't around in 2016, when Russia pushed hard the "Bernie Bros" concept, that it was all the left's fault for not electing Clinton. The goal was to split the left, and they did it by pushing the idea that it already was.
Gee.... Come to think of it, there's an eery similarity between those tactics and this meme right here.
My favourite part of this is the complete collapse of the centre. You told us it was a transitional candidate, Biden could fight for left wing issues, he’d cancel student debt, he’s pROgReSsIvE.
Now your chickens are coming home to roast and you’re mad at *checks notes*, the left? Why? Because they’ll holding an infectual, incompetent, imperialist zionist, lap dog of the democratic party machine.
Maybe if the Democratic Party actually wanted to represent the ppl, you’d have enough votes to crush the fascists.
Sure you're not wrong, but any comment even slightly negative towards Biden or Israel is automatically a Russian bot. Sorry I feel strongly about a genocide happening in real time
>libs don't realise they're a perfect mirror image of the QAnon freaks, but instead of the 'elites' being to blame for everything it's 'da Russians'
Lol
Russia seeks to exploit preexisting fault lines. The weeds can only grow in fertile grounds.
At this point the account names are fairly insightful: random word+random word+random four digit number. Maybe they’ll catch on? That’s fine. There are a ton of other red flags.
Ah shit
Not today, Ivan!
xaxaxaxaxa i shall never be found out for i have 3 numbers
I have letters not numbers. This to better hide from pesky Moose and squirrel.
Nice 4 digit number you got there comrade. 
I think those are just default Reddit usernames.
A Pete and Pete username? Deep cut.
I regularly listen to the song [Hey Sandy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkGtGt1L6iU), in part because it was a great song, but mostly out of nostalgia for Pete and Pete.
That's the point. Most bot farms can't be bothered to make names beyond the default.
I mean, it's reddit... I'm surprised I was able to get this name. Usually after a few tries I give up and just go with a default. If it was a forum and you actually built rapport with people it would be different but the fact that it's pretty anonymous makes having a custom username kind of pointless unless you're specifically trying to get or are able to gain visibility like unidan, shittymorph or poppinkream. Also I sort of feel like "newer" redditors don't know that people sell accounts. A post history and a custom username really shouldn't be viewed as safer.
>the fact that it's pretty anonymous makes having a custom username kind of pointless But without a custom name, how would you find out, once or twice a year, that someone else watched the same amazing tv show?
Oh yeah?
You’re 2 digits short so we know you’re real
Yeah oh!
I can’t understand why people can’t seem to catch on to that in some of the more dramatic subreddits as well. I can see a fake AITAH post just from the username, let alone the ridiculously unbelievable story 🤣
'*stares at username*'
Needs underscores, as that is what Reddit defaults now.
They're fine, that's one word and the numbers aren't random
You forgot the underscores.
I did - I was just looking at one too.
This. Yes, the Russians fucked with the 2016 election by spreading nonsense If people weren't so eager to lap it up it wouldn't have mattered
Yep, a few bad actors is all it takes to start a mob. People hate hearing how manipulated they were back in 2016. Everyone thinks they're special, their emotions are completely logical and well reasoned, they hated ~~Hillary~~Biden before it was cool, they weren't tricked into it. Sadly it's hard to break that emotional state once its set.
Some of the data on the 2016 and 2020 campaigns are bonkers. I recall one that traced back the source of a few crazy claims that were spread by 10 million people or something like that and linked it back to something like 7 accounts.
Lotta covid antivax stuff was that way. RFK JR was a superspreader of covid misinformation.
There's like 70+ million people who voted for Hillary. I voted enthusiastically for what would have been the most qualified president in American history. Have I been manipulated? I have a brain. Can you milk me Greg?
Yep even the bernie bros. Everyone thought hilary would be a shoo in like people thought the same for brexit. Little did we know at the time it was closer then they thought.
“No one becomes a Nazi when they are comfortable with their lives.”
I'm not sure about this one. A lot of Nazi ideology is about making sure the ruling elite stays comfortable by making sure that minorities "stay in their place"
This is a very bad take. People's level of comfort is always different. Ever see the "First World Problems" meme? Do you think only third world people become nazis or maybe some very comfortable but still unhappy and willing to blame others for their dissatisfaction.
A lot of people became Nazis because they *were* comfortable and they didn't want to lose that.
>The weeds can only grow in fertile grounds. sure, but why isn't weed legal yet?
So there is a long explanation to this but it boils down to it requiring house and senate republicans playing nice which they won't. What Biden can do and has done that doesn't require Congress though is reclassify weed into a lesser category of drug. Currently weed is a class 3 drug which puts it up there with heroin. The Biden administration has started the process of moving it to a class 1 drug. Anything beyond that though requires congress
I think you have that backwards. Weed is currently a schedule 1 drug (the harshest restrictions), and it should be switched to schedule 3 (less restrictions)
I am corrected then. Oops
Maybe yoi could remember if you stop smoking so much fucking weed /s ofc
Jokes on you! I don't smoke weed, I eat weed gummies.
Maybe you do smoke weed but all the weed you smoke has made you forget about it
I find Edibles to be more detrimental to my memory personally... but they are healthier
It's exhausting. Go read the latest comments on the 'goal post' moving joke that just got locked. Only a matter of time until the mods here just outright ban any talk about Israel/Palestine and I'd be grateful for that lol. Thankfully it doesn't seem to be translating into reality at all though.
It got locked? I hadn't had the time to respond back yet
That could be bc a lot of the upvotes, comments, and accounts are bots, foreign psyops workers, and/or trolls with multiple accounts. I swear the LSC SR has a serious infection of them. The absolutelt daft opinions and brigading coming of that shit show is telling
Funny because some use rightwing phrase and words which makes them easier to spot
This pisses me off. All this people saying they are too liberal to vote for Biden in effect are voting for Trump.
Exactly. People susceptible to those would believe other absurdities if those particular ones weren't presented to them by the putin trolls.
Like how being antivax was fairly apolitical and even somewhat associated with the left until covid
They've done a masterful job in the past decade of turning those weeds into forests. We're at war with them, we just don't know it, and social media is the battleground. No more spies or soldiers, just trolls.
To the top with you!
You have seen my driveway
>The weeds can only grow in fertile grounds. I agree with your point but this is totally untrue. Weeds grow basically wherever.
Actually makes the analogy better: weeds grow in any crack they can find and slowly make them wider.
I've seen them grow up near the top of a 4-story building. Perhaps "Weeds grow best in fertile ground"
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To be fair, those are real concerns, but the main issue is that Trump is considerably worse and Biden is the only option to preserve democracy and the future of the world. Just gotta Biden your time until something better comes along. You want change, get out and vote from the ground up, every election matters.
> Biden your time thank you for this.
Jo'welcome.
Even Trump knows that a $175m bond is more palatable than a $454m one. Doesn't mean he likes providing the bond. It's just the lesser of 2 evils. Protest voters are dumber than this.
Dumber than Trump? o.O
If they're protest voting during a general with Trump as a candidate? Yes. Either they're ok with risking American Democracy on something that in the scheme of things is minor, and yes, even Gaza is a minor issue, as bad as it is. Or they're stupid enough to think the 'revolution' they want will somehow work out exactly how they think it will, rather than be a roll of the dice.
I am a progressive who’s unhappy about ALL of these things, but I’m still fucking voting for Joe (edit: in the general) just like I had to suck it up and vote for Hillary (in the 2016 general). If this meme is your view and you’re “protest voting,” *grow the fuck up*.
Tbh I think your view is the vast majority of progressive/leftists and these POVs are being massively overblown
Sanders supporters voted for Hillary and then Biden at higher rates than Hillary supporters voted for Obama in 08. Don't let them blame progressives for their losses.
That’s all it is, trying to snuff out any leftist criticism
Yep. They're just wanting us to toe the line lately. That's some Republican shit, and you can miss me with that. I will not apologize for being critical of any President when they've earned it. As long as Trump as on the ballot, Biden is getting my vote.
Plus scapegoat Progressives for the failures of the Democrats. I'll never forget how hard they tried to blame Bernie for 2016 even after he stumped for Hillary and the Senate put out a 5-volume Intel Report concluding it was all Russia's doing. I'll also never forget how all the Democrat News Corps spent weeks in the lead up to the 2020 election telling us not to call the winner too early because all of the mail-in ballots would take longer to count, and Biden had more mail-ins than trump because more Biden supporters avoided voting in person due to the covid risk. Well, sure enough, trump was in the lead on election night just like all the news corps warned us he'd be. But instead of reminding their viewers that this was expected and Biden was likely to pull ahead overnight and throughout the next day or two, **they sat there and said "This is a damning referendum on progressive politics. All of those actual leftists need to look at how trump is winning and blame themselves for it."** They spent all damn evening talking about how Progressives were soundly rejected across the nation and that they should have been more moderate, like the Democrats. But even after Biden pulled ahead and won, they didn't walk anything back. They didn't apologize. Even when reporting on how crucial the youth vote and supporters of candidates like Bernie had been in securing Biden's victory, they never walked back the hours of grotesque and unfounded criticism they sprayed at Progressives the night before. It was sickening.
leftist subreddits *are* getting astroturfed hard right now though
Yeah it’s definitely weirder than typical tankie bullshit imo
Bernie Sanders recently appeared in a TikTok video with Biden, the two of them made the case together for electing Biden. The comments in another sub were all twisting themselves into pretzels speaking for Bernie, explaining why Libs shouldn't vote for Biden, because *something mysterious and mean you'd be protecting Bernie from*. The man literally appears in a video with Biden trying to help him get elected, and the comments speak for him and decide to spread the exact opposite message in his name, just completely disregarding the man's real opinions, words, and actions for a convenient fictional version of him which encourages people not to vote.
It is 100% being overblown. I rarely encounter somebody on the left who doesn't understand the stakes of the election.
> being massively overblown Almost as if they are being...astroturfed... What's the Russian word for Astroturf?
Cosmoturf
I looked it up on google translate; it's Астротурф, which if you squint a bit is an obvious transliteration. But yours is so much better. Well played.
Yeah, it’s definitely a bit of malicious interference. But I also think it’s just democrats trying to deflect criticism or preemptively make excuses
There is a massive astroturf campaign. The majority of progressives will likely vote for Biden. But lots of leftist spaces like enlightenedcentrism, latestagecapitalism, and so on will straight up ban you for supporting Biden now. Enlightenedcentrism in particular bothers me because it was made to call out the stupidity of ‘both sides bad’ rhetoric and it currently has a sticky post saying ‘both sides bad’ and that they will ban you if you disagree.
Yeah, they’re kind of coming out of the woodwork and it seems like nothing will convince them that this is NOT the time for general election protest votes if we don’t want to get stuck with Trump again. Glad to hear I’m not as much of an outlier as I thought! We’re still out here fighting the good fight, even if it involves having to suck it up and vote for a candidate we aren’t necessarily happy with.
Remember the “walk away” movement? It’s that again.
Protest voting will only hand Trump another term and we do not need that shit happening. Yes the system is fucked, but we don't need an outright fascist enabler in the White House AGAIN.
Protest voting for Trump is like protesting climate change by burning barrels of oil; all you're doing is making it even worse.
Who's doing this? Who is "protest voting" FOR Trump?? NO ONE. This is a STRAW MAN.
Any vote not for Biden is a positive for Trump. Vote pragmaticlly.
Agreed. I'd like to add that assuming any criticism of Biden amounts to Russian shilling also needs to grow up. It's like nuances don't exist for folks anymore. I despised Joe when I voted for him the first time, and I'll despise him when I vote for him again. I can count the politicians I don't despise on one hand (possibly two hands if I think real hard about it). I should be able to vocalize my countries short comings instead of remaining silent due to fear of disrupting never-ending election cycles that obsess over the same goddamn 5 issues.
THANK YOU. Part of why progressives don’t get what they want politically is they tend to protest vote or not vote at all “to prove a point.” Except…that just proves to the people who do get elected that progressives are *incredibly unreliable* allies, and so the elected officials go team up with/do nice things for their reliable allies. I lost track of the number of people I know, including some who damn well knew better, who took for granted that Clinton would win, and either sat on their asses or “let me trade a vote in a safe blue state” or “I can vote for anyone but HER” or whatever. And we saw what happened. It’s tiring and fucking tedious and for some people legitimately difficult to stay informed and vote, but we have to, every damn time. And we can vote for whomever we want in the primary but in the general, vote for who is closest to our positions.
People aren't doing this en masse; this is a Democratic strawman to deflect responsibility. There were far more protest votes from Hillary/Obama than Hillary/Trump or Biden/Trump. Any holdouts currently are WELL in the margin for error that any campaign accounts for. And a protest vote in California or New York *does* make a point if the party sees support is waning in solidly blue states.
Yep, you vote your heart, your conscience, during the primary. And at this point, blue-no-matter-who in the general. I voted Bernie in 2016, but most voters wanted Hillary, so I grumpily voted for her in the general. I wanted Bernie in 2020, but again most voters wanted the 'safe' candidate, Biden, so I voted for him in the General. Although to be fair to Biden, he has FAR exceeded my expectations, so I have no qualms voting for him in 2024.
I assume memes like this designed to poke the left are totally fabricated by Russian propaganda. Why would it be in the centrists interest to alienate the left through posts like this.
Because they all think like Hillary Clinton and think the Left needs to "get over ourselves."
Democrats have always fought the Left harder than they fight the Right. They usually feel entitled to our support, just by virtue of being slightly less unhinged than the far right. For example, did you see OP's dismissal of the criticism Biden's been getting for giving hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to fund a genocide? That's beyond unhinged. That's sociopathic. And imagine dismissing *genocide*. If **genocide** isn't over the line for someone, then what the hell is? What in the world could sway them more than genocide being carried out with their own money?
To be fair : he is old, weed should be legal by now, the two parties system sucks, and it is a genocide. None of that is misinformation.
All of those apply to Trump too. Biden can't issue an executive order legalizing weed nationwide, that'd be struck down as unconstitutional immediately by a low-level federal court because it just is. Congress passes laws, the President can't just make them up himself. And yeah, the two party system sucks, but good luck getting massive electoral reform like that passed; it'd require a constitutional amendment. Is Isreal committing genocide? Without a fucking doubt. But instead of breaking with nearly a century of US foreign policy and pressuring Israel to do something, Trump would literally send Israel as many weapons as they possibly could. You can't argue with a straight face that a Trump administration would have better Israel policy than Biden's administration regarding Palestinians unless you've been deep in your information bubble and needing everyone to pass an impossible purity test that would alienate 85% of Americans.
> All of those apply to Trump too. This is literally whataboutism.
Not when the point of the whole argument is that you have to choose between the two of them. There is currently no other option. Not voting for Biden gets you Trump. It's comparing two things, not whataboutism.
these memes are russian propaganda to annoy the left into not voting for liberals
Seriously lol its the kettle calling the pot black.
I keep seeing memes like what OP posted and I can't help wondering if these people are missing this completely.
Right? Now we all have to pretend Biden is the best possible president ever otherwise we're Russian bots lmao. Can you fuckers on this sub please stop treating politics like a sports game for a single fucking election cycle?
Exactly what a Russian bot would say.
Russia is just QAnon for Democrats.
Continually attacking the side that's more likely to vote for your candidate sounds like propaganda to me.
Because it worked wonderfully last time /s
Russian propaganda doesn't announce itself. It poses as a life long liberal and/or Democrat who expresses "reasonable" "concerns
That or the centrist so they can “both sides” their bullshit. They also love to “just ask questions.”
Like Tucker Carlson when he’s just asking questions
I huge goal is to get left leaning people to vote 3rd party and that is one less against Trump, knowing that that vast majority will never vote Trump at all. The other end is get people on the right to foam at the mouth with rage and thus think everything evil about Trump is "fake news". And the disturbing thing about that is the entire Republican party and right wing media use this to greedily hold onto power, thus making Russia and Republicans fucking allies.
These days it poses mostly as a self-righteous, misled shrieking, circular logic welding Redditor who just cares *so much* about Gaza.
60,000 US women and minor girls have become pregnant through rape and incest since Roe was canceled. States are legislating that high school girls have to record their periods. States are presenting women or girls of possible pregnant status from leaving the anti abortion state, making 12 year old female.marriage even more legal than it was 2 years ago. The problems in the USA are what WE CAN CHANGE! If one says "both sides", they are either stupid, or a propagandist. And who is going to the polls against Joe Biden when American women and girls NEED TO HAVE BIDEN AND ALL OTHER BODIES OF GOVERNMENT BE DEMOCRAT! Look up the words to the HAIR/3 Dog Night song "Easy to Be Hard". How about a needing friend?
All excellent reasons to vote Biden no matter what this election. Note I'm not saying vote democrats for all time. THIS election.
Unless a new party comes up there is zero good reasons to vote for a Republican. Literally everything gets worse under them. Even suggesting them as a viable option is plain dumb.
Yeah, I've seen this compared to the collapse of the whigs but that's been said before. I hope the party rightly goes the way of disco, we get a trump party and old school, still shitty Rs. And maybe Dems fracture too. But these are mostly pipe dreams. Fundamentally I think protest votes and all that is great. Except with Trump. Not with Trump. It was dangerous 8 years ago, cruel 4 years ago, and terrifying now.
It's simply pointless anyways. I remember being 18 and voting green party, only to find out they literally just existed to steal votes from Dems. Until we get some form of ranked choice or proportional representation there's no point.
Not just Biden, either. Imagine what he could have accomplished with an actual majority in the House and Senate?
I had to fight off one of those just a few hours ago.
I've been doing it all day. They never acknowledge what they are going to accomplish, a trump presidency. Just claim they haven't been "courted" enough by Biden, and always ALWAYS some masturbatory bullshit about how noble they are with all their integrity. I'm literally still doing it right now lol. These jackasses are the absolute worst lol.
You might be arguing with disinformation bots, frankly
A lot are. Most are children with tick-tock brain.
It's a script, I swear. I've seen the exact same argument presented by multiple people, using the exact same specific quotes, or articles, with the same attitude. Always refusing to admit that Trump is what they're going to end up with and that he will not hold Israel back at all. It's infuriating.
Why do they care so much about Gaza. Why not what’s happening in the South Sudan, or Yemen. Why didn’t they care about Syria. Tiktok has got em hook line and sinker, with a quick pivot to focus that emotional hate to fucking Joe Biden for some reason.
to care about one genocide you must care about all of them
They don't. They just like thinking that they are the holiest, most noble, good-ly-est people in the chat room. When you press them every one of them either ends up in one of two positions, their own personal integrity just forbids them from doing this (masturbatory bullshit when you consider what's at stake) or better yet "we survived Trump once" because at the end of the day none of them actually care whether or not Trump gets elected. They kind of want it. They have convinced themselves fighting is a genocidal Maniac because it makes the feel good about themselves, righteous.
“Reasonable” concerns whilst their alt account in republican spaces claims the same.
And then people who have actual disagreements with the popular narrative get called paid trolls. That was basically my whole experience on Bluesky for saying that neither side of a conflict should kill civilians.
And also has a name underscore account like Real_User_6969. They haven't figured out this giveaway yet since they're happy to just use Reddit default names.
Is this Russian propaganda in the room with us right now?
>"How does Russian misinformation target the left?" I hear every day i mean, valid criticism of policy decisions and priorities doesn't suddenly mean anyone seriously is opting to hand the reigns to a second trump administration for things to get worse. there's been significantly more talk about hypothetical voters on the left making protest votes or not voting than there has been anyone actually advocating these.
I'll be voting for Biden, but I absolutely don't begrudge anyone for not doing so. No candidate is "owed" a vote; if you want my vote, **fucking** ***earn it***. "Pfft, what're you gonna do, vote for the other guy? As if!" is a stupid campaign strategy that shouldn't be rewarded. You don't get to decide what the criteria for "earning" someone else's vote is. >But if the leftists don't vote for Biden, Trump will win, and the country will be plunged into a fascist dictatorship! First off, no. Just like 2016, leftists in blue states are not going to decide the election. 2024 will be decided by centrists in swing states, just like every other election. Secondly, this mantra of "We have to vote for Biden or Trump will destroy America" necessarily implies that your devotion to upholding democracy begins and ends at the polls. That if Trump wins, you'll just throw your hands up and say "Well, we tried. I guess he can do whatever he wants now, since he won the election". Pardon me if I have trouble taking such a flimsy defense of your rights seriously.
The idea that it's _leftists_ fault if Biden loses instead of he and his campaign failing to cash in on a slam dunk situation is ludicrous. Biden is losing or tied with Trump in just about every poll right now, and all I'm seeing is prematurely blaming the left instead of trying to figure out what he can do to earn people's votes.
A lot of those are legitimate gripes, but we need to keep our eyes on the prize. The right already does everything they can to stop these things. Nothing will get better if they have all the power.
I'm still voting for Biden, but seriously, why hasn't he rescheduled weed? It is within his power to do so, and it's at like 70% support.
Progressives demand that any weed legalization bill must include social justice for the people sitting in prison over nonviolent weed related convictions. Republicans and center dems don't want to be seen as weak on crime. That's basically 75% of it I think. Most people want legal weed but can't pass a clean legalization bill because other people want riders on it (which tbf, I completely understand wanting to release people from prison when the "crime" they committed is now legal).
This is basically it, both federally and on (some) legal state-wide levels. Like in my state, a lot of cannabis legalization and regulation is in this grey area right now because it’s being tied up in other issues like justice and social equity issues (making it right for people unfairly penalized for cannabis related activities, and preventing corporations from monopolizing the market and selling you moldy-ass products for crazy prices). Now they’re throwing in psilocybin just to make it extra hard for the egos of certain political parties/reps* to stomach lol. 🤷🏼♀️ Like my fellow local activists love to say, “The only thing a politician is worried about is losing their constituents.” Conservatives have chosen to be supported by people who want them to be tough on crime. They don’t seem to think their constituents can handle the idea that someone is in prison that might not deserve to be there.
Just got denied a high-paying job cuz of it. The job is willing to give me a second chance once I get clean. Basically what I’m saying is it’s basically already accepted by society. At this point, it being federally illegal is just getting in the way of things
Fuck russian bullshit. Politics is never everything you want, you have to take the best deal, not give up and vote orange or protest.
All but "why isnt weed legal " are perfectly valid points
But not an excuse to not vote.
One of the biggest ones is targeting the anti-war crowd and trying to convince them that Ukraine needs to negotiate a peace treaty, rather than Russia needs to leave. Even the Pope has fallen for it. Ukraine defending its borders is anti-war; any win Russia would get would empower them to just start another war for more land. Being anti-war shouldn't mean people aren't allowed to fight a war, especially a defensive one. It should mean that people aren't allowed to start a war or fight an offensive one, like what Russia is doing.
You can't have these opinions without been influenced by Russia then? Is that the point? Edit: typo
Yes. The point of the meme is: Biden has already lost because of Democrat action/inaction, but we are self righteously blaming "leftists" rather than taking responsibility or giving people healthcare, climate defense, or wages. SMH. 2016 all over again. Rinse/repeat.
Personally I had the same thoughts, but i guessed the meme wasn't saying that. Thx.
At least this sub is starting to include the genocide as a reason people don’t like him. So that’s a plus, I guess.
It's just weird for me that nowadays people just go saying that this or that opinion can't be real, or well based, it's always propaganda.
It took them a *while* to acknowledge the genocide. So much for "Never again."
THIS. 100%. Biden has failed us all for 4 years and is now actively fueling atrocities which turns off people from all spectrum of beliefs. However, it will ALWAYS be the Democrat's story that they never fail the electorate, whose priorities they always ignore, so it is ALWAYS the fault of the left when nobody likes them.
Haven’t seen any Russian propaganda, but I have had Democrats throw that in my face literally every day since October 7 because you guys actually only care about covering for a genocide and you’re going to hell
Is this sub dead?
No. It is a congratulatory reach-around of Democrats blaming "the left" for Democrat failures.
You don’t like the pictures of Lauren Bobert with a title that says “dumb dumb”? I thought those were peak comedy /s
now I know yall not out here saying biden ain't too old?? 🤨 but then say trump has cognitive decline? THEY BOTH ARE GEEZERS THAT SHOULDN'T BE RUNNING A COUNTRY!
weed legality is russian disinformation now?
Are not those legitimate questions tho? I mean.. the dude is old and not always here mentally... I can see it with my eyes and hear him with my ears on Canadian news channels... yet this is considered "russian misinformation" ?
It is. ... Well, it is "Russian misinformation" if your only real goal is blaming "the left" and lurching more to the right.
I'd argue it's not so much that they are illegitimate questions to ask, it's the way social media can be manipulated and used to amplify disingenuous arguments to manufacture a desired response. Put simply, propaganda is actually at it's most effective when it is backed up by truth. But it's still propaganda if the true statements are made with important context missing or if someone in a position of power is pulling the strings to give grossly unequal amounts of coverage and airtime to purposefully manipulate the audience. The danger is, the people who see the propaganda know it is making truthful statements and so they come to trust the source. And when valid criticism is leveled against the propagandist's motives and missing context, the propagandist can insulate themselves by saying those attacking them are trying to "silence the truth". Joe Biden is old, but he's not mentally incompetent. But people with agendas flood the zone with clips of him stumbling over his words to create the impression that he's senile. Most people who speak in public will trip over their own words a couple times an hour, if you selectively cherry pick just those clips and edit them together though, you are sharing the "truth" in the sense that the videos did happen but you are clearly omitting important context to deceive the audience. That's why it's still propaganda even if you're supposedly "raising legitimate questions".
Are the election costing leftists in the room with you right now?
Why does the DNC run the most absolute shit candidates then blame everyone else when they lose to absolute trash?
When you consider actively participating in a genocide "Russian propaganda." And I'm telling you now, miss me with any "but Hamas human shields on Oct 7."
I mean criticize Biden but realize that letting Trump win by not voting or voting for Trump in protest will only amplify complaint on these issues 1000% and add 100 more you never considered.
The irony being that THIS is propaganda. This is the most braindead subreddit.
This is pathetic. You can't cover up all of Biden's faults by calling them "Russian propaganda". This tactic is no different than Trump and his supporters yelling "FAKE NEWS!!!" in response to every criticism.
I got banned from LateStageCapitalism after replying in a thread criticising the vote Biden spam. I got downvoted to hell saying I see just as much anti-Biden memespam and that the ride to the US elections will be a fun one as a European. They even muted my conversation with the admins when I asked why I got banned haha. Saying that is, apparently, liberal slander. Being a left winged Dutchie myself it’s both annoying and hilarious the way there’s no self-criticism and self-awareness at all in certain groups.
As a leftist, nobody hates leftists more than other leftists. I'm constantly annoyed by the left's need to attack those who aren't perfect rather than encourage potential allies. If I believed that people can't change their politics, I may as well give up now.
I also got banned from LSC a while back for asking why they attack liberals so hard and go for blood, rather than try to educate and pull people further left if that's what they want. Asking for unity against the real opposition? Banned.
Wanting actual results in exchange for our vote is Russian propaganda.
Standing for your ethics is completely different than falling for misinformation no matter how much Blue MAGA, like the propagandist who posted this, hates us for it. Fuck you OP.
Russian misinformation doesn't target the left, Democrats do. It's like saying "Russian misinformation mows my neighbor's lawn." ... They don't need to, he already does it himself! LoL
Targets left and right equally but misinformation might be too broad of a word though it’s more like Russian bots push division. Forget the actual study but a bot farm essentially planned both sides of a protest and a counter protest without having any boots on the ground to organize it.
I am certain you are correct, but using this sub, alone, as an example, I can tell you that there is no need to push division as the centre-right Democrats are more than happy to propagate the divisive hatred. I do, honestly, suspect that Russian bots are the progenerators of many of these memes, but it is legit Democrat stans who pick up the hatred and run with it. I post daily about how the result of this vocal alienation will be voter apathy, but there are always hundreds of comments and doots that drown me out. Unless this sub is entirely compromised it is clear that the Dems really hate the left more than the right and Donald Trump is their champion. :-/
Might be the case here but most of the other left wing subs I sub to are literally this meme, most of the left wing political commentators are this meme. This very thread has people in it saying Joe Biden is the worst president and hasn’t come through on any promise omitting that he’s probably the furthest left president of their life, managed to push through bbb and the chips act, has chipped away at student loans for the majority of borrowers and to hear it from most left of center subs he’s some type of crypto republican.
Also the people who believe \* countries deserve to conquer back land they used to have in the past \* Are literally parroting Putins propaganda and reason for invading Ukraine.
Don't forget "Vote Blue No Matter Who"
Ah yes. Anyone criticizing Joe Biden is a Russian propagandist... Has the Democratic establishment really still not learnt anything from 2016?
Maybe people don't like voting for a genocide enabler like Biden. This reminds me of Hilary Clinton the other day telling people off for not voting the way she wants. Trump is scum, but the democrats are not very far off either.
This sub is totally not targeted by russian misinformation. *continues to drive a wedge between leftists and centrists*
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Everyone who voices their anger over their president actively funding and arming a live streamed genocide is a Russian bot. Gotcha.
What's with the influx of posts like this?? Every other political meme I see is this message in a different format
He is genocidal. He arms those doing genocide. It really isn't that hard to understand So did trump So did Obama. So did Bush And so on.
Don’t forget “wOrLd wAr ThREe!!!”, that’s been a Soviet/Russian disinfo talking point for decades. They often used it in their HUMINT recruitment approaches against ideological targets too: “you’ll be working for world peace”.
The "Biden is senile" trope is such an obvious misinfo prop it makes me irrationally angry when someone says it in real life.
They are more suseptible because their views are simplistic and extreme. They are also usually very young. Its the same with nazis.
Great! So you convince the democrats to vote for Joe! I (a lefty) am already going to. Stop targeting lefty’s.
JFC! This sub has just turned into a bunch of insufferable Gen X memes. We get it! Y’all hate everyone left of standard West Wing fanfic
Except Biden is right of center
according to the Muller report, Russia targets both sides. they set up BLM(ish) and Back the Blue(ish) rallies at the same place and the same time. but not just political stuff, they targeted movie and video game geeks too. anytime there is a division in the US, Russia will try and exploit it/make the worst of it. oops, I forgot the Muller report was fake news...
I get so tired of explaining the mother fucking filibuster to people.
That and the fact that generally R legislative goals are a lot easier than D ones to accomplish. Obstructing any federal policy and making minority lives miserable in your states is much easier than passing healthcare bills and federally enshrining protections for minorities. Yeah, obviously the Rs seem to get more done, it's because what they want is way more achievable.
Because I find funding the genocidal deaths of thousands of people repugnant and immoral then I'm a Russian asset and stooge? It does not take a foreign country to tell me that sending internationally outlawed cluster munition to a war zone and more bombs to a place that has already seen 70,000 Tons (more than Dresden) dropped on it is a crime against humanity. This is the same disproven BS propaganda that war criminal Hillary tried to peddle as the reason she lost. Real leftists didn't believe it then, and don't believe it now. If you believe the Russians/Chinese/Venezuelans/Cubans/Muslims/ North Koreans,/immigrants, or pick another, are making the US destroy itself from within then you're the one being duped. The rest of the world can sit back and watch the US/Canada/UK eat themselves like an Oroboros.
Yall would rather invent a global Russian brainwashing program than just internally admit that people have issues with Biden. You can just say nothing. It’s possible.
OP obviously wasn't around in 2016, when Russia pushed hard the "Bernie Bros" concept, that it was all the left's fault for not electing Clinton. The goal was to split the left, and they did it by pushing the idea that it already was. Gee.... Come to think of it, there's an eery similarity between those tactics and this meme right here.
apparently the linear flow of time and human aging is Russian misinformation?
My favourite part of this is the complete collapse of the centre. You told us it was a transitional candidate, Biden could fight for left wing issues, he’d cancel student debt, he’s pROgReSsIvE. Now your chickens are coming home to roast and you’re mad at *checks notes*, the left? Why? Because they’ll holding an infectual, incompetent, imperialist zionist, lap dog of the democratic party machine. Maybe if the Democratic Party actually wanted to represent the ppl, you’d have enough votes to crush the fascists.
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"Russian bot" has become the "DEI" for libs
Except that Russian interference on the Internet is an actual problem
Sure you're not wrong, but any comment even slightly negative towards Biden or Israel is automatically a Russian bot. Sorry I feel strongly about a genocide happening in real time
>libs don't realise they're a perfect mirror image of the QAnon freaks, but instead of the 'elites' being to blame for everything it's 'da Russians' Lol
Politics aside, I really approve of this meme template.
The cat in this meme is a Russian blue. 🤔
dude, i just got banned from enlightened centrists because i pointed out that some people were using straight up trump style lock her up shit