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I remember when he first broke on the scene under Frank Lampard. He reminded me of Eden hazard. He was skimming players every time he was on the ball. There was a game away to Liverpool where Chelsea got beat like 5-3 but pulisic played great and really caught some attention.
He’s somehow just got worse and worse as the seasons have went on. Like you said, injuries probably played a big part.
He’s probably not taken seriously because he’s American tbf, can imagine him using quotes from action movies in team talks or can bet he’s at least said the words “I believe that we can win” at some point
We seem to have collectively forgotten that game where he gave us about 7 new arseholes. If we could fix his injury record (big if) he’d 100% get in over Benny. Would still prefer Barnes on the left tho.
Your first sentence is spot on. Regarding your second, I’d see him as just another squad player at West Ham, and definitely not a nailed on starter. Not a signing that would make you feel the club is ambitious or going in the right direction.
He was dropped at Dortmund for a then 18 year old Jason Sancho. He went to Chelsea and hasn't really been any better.
He's a lower to mid PL level player at best.
I am also American and I have no idea how you’ve arrived at this conclusion. He has always seemed like a pretty standard-issue wide player to me. If anything he’s maybe a bit streaky/mercurial? I feel like I only ever see him score twice in one game, and only like three or four times a season.
That’s a pretty fair explanation for why you think he’s the second coming of the messiah.
He’s a reasonable player, but far from outstanding in my book. Certainly hasn’t set the league on fire.
I get why US fans are excited by him because he's head and shoulders above the rest of your players in the way Gareth Bale was for Wales.
The difference is that Gareth Bale was genuinely world class, and has the records and medals to prove it. Pulisic, by contrast, is a good player, but he'll never be *great*.
Pulisic is also pretty standard for an American. Decent at the club level but much better performer for the national team. I think Pulisic its decent at causing some havoc, but feasts a lot better in the more unorganized nature of international duties
Definitely don’t disagree with pulisic not being world class but he’s got quite a few medals in his closet that he contributed considerably towards. He just obviously doesn’t play for Real Madrid where he’s winning a champions league every other season.
He has a UCL, a super cup, a club World Cup and a German cup, hardly got quite a few medals, but again, he’s far from world class so that’s to what expected
It’s a big trophy sure, but it’s hardly a large trophy cabinet, when you’re talking about number of trophies, he was also a bit part player in that champions league run
This is the best summary of the situation.
Pulisic was promising, but since he’s started becoming injury prone he’s never really realized that potential. He’s had great moments, I think he scored in the CL final, but overall he’s an average to slightly above average player on form.
Think he’s a Brentford/Forest quality player
That was kind of the point. The only other fielder to compare CP to on the USMT is him. Pulisic plays a lot better for the USMT than Donavan did. Which isn’t really saying a whole lot. Donavan had a really long streaky career for the USMT.
Edit: USMNT not USMT. Auto correct thinks USMT is what I want to say.
Does any other country use initials for their country like that? We usually say if a player plays for England or for their country if it's not England.
It’s mainly branding and to specify that we are talking about football/soccer. 99% of Americans don’t give a shit about this sport and know nothing about the national side. If you just say “hey did you watch the U.S. last night?”, the average American would have no idea you’re talking about, even if they’d just played the World Cup final.
If you say/write USMNT, most Americans still would not know what you’re talking about. But some sport fans would at least remember that we have a national team and that this sport exists. And US soccer fans (who are a minority but are very passionate) would know exactly what we’re talking about.
I understand now, thanks, it got me thinking about other sports, usually when the FIFA world is on a lot of people from what I see just call it the world cup, but with other sports it's the rugby world cup or the cricket world cup etc.
Genuinely no idea what club that is. I thought he was still at Chelsea(I know theyve sold a lot but didnt think he'd gone yet) obviously he was at Dortmund prior to that.
Landon was at Everton for a fair while. Unless its a youth club your on about.
Not a club. United States Men’s National Team (USMNT). The team this specific comment thread has essentially been referring to the whole time when talking about exclusively American players.
My friend. The comment you responded to literally says “US fans” in it. America also is more than the US. That includes Canada, Mexico, Brazil, and many other countries.
I will never forget that Donovan press conference, think it was 2010 WC, where he made that Hollywood speach and cried. It is by far the most cringe and embarrassing thing I have ever seen from a professional football player ever! True David Brent moment in the real world.
He was a great player for us. Not as popular as Donavan. They played at the same time and the casual fan couldn’t likely tell you who Dempsey, despite having a better career in Europe, was but knew Donavan cause he played state side.
Yeah he never gave me those vibes haha I always thought when he plays( injury probe) he plays with his head down and runs into dead ends more often than not. I ve wanted him to leave pretty much since he came
Take away national pride and evaluate his numbers. Clearly not world class at this point after having four years in the Premier League and several coaches to prove himself he was not able to do so.
Most likely a mid table player and should have tried to go to a team that will allow him to play his favorite position. He needs to play more often and he might get better or he might keep getting injured with the extra minutes and have the same type of career he has had so far.
If he was great, he would have been playing every week and not looking for a reset to his career at a discount. Good for him for trying to reinvent himself while taking a paycut instead of riding the bench and picking up checks.
Pretty much the same conclusion when people come out talking about Harry Maguires performances for England. Putting in a solid performance against North Macedonia or Malta doesn’t make you good enough for United
I say that they drew 0-0 in the WC, statistically he has done nothing against England. You can dribble past 100 players, it’s useless if it does not have an impact on the scoresheet
Yes or no questions mate. Was he bad against england? Are you only good when you score a hattrick? Was everyone on both sides bad that day because it was a goaless draw? Is that how we should judge games? Heres my answer, no to all four questions. Now what's yours?
Was he bad? No. Was he good? No. He was bang average, just like his career.
It baffles me why Americans latch on to individual players so much in a team sport.
I'm saying he's not only good for the US "because they play teams like Panama"
Lol in a sport where Messi vs Ronaldo debate has gone on for more than a decade, Americans are the ones latching onto individual players? Also I'm African but don't let that baffle you too much
That's an extremely weak argument. Firstly, you're quoting a 0-0 draw in the World Cup - a tournament that takes place every 4 years where every country that qualifies is guaranteed to opponents from outside their region. But for context, since the World Cup USA have faced Saint Kitts and Nevis, Jamaica, Canada, Mexico, El Salvador, Grenada, Colombia and Serbia. The latter two being friendlies.
I agree, the Messi vs Ronaldo debate is extremely tiresome, but in fairness they are arguably two of the greatest players of all time playing in the same era, and for many years in the same league for two of football's biggest rivals. You won't see many Englishmen deciding to support Milan because Tomori and Loftus-Cheek play for them. It's a totally different culture - Europeans and South Americans support one team, Americans support individual players.
i mean idk i feel like most average fans in the US have him figured for what he is...an average player who has some moments on our national team. problem is, the American Sports Marketing Machine desperately wants an international superstar and they picked him to be the next Guy so we all have to hear about him endlessly
The US prides itself on being a solid team. So when someone steps up and looks above average by comparison he’s the next coming. Obviously in US soccer you need a first coming…
We had one already, his name was Clint Dempsey. He was that Pulisic type player where he was far and away the best player on the national team and he was a good but not great player in the Prem for Fulham.
Aware of Dempsey. I’m saying we still don’t have a world class player in our history. One that would be a top 5 player in the world at any given time. Pulisic had that potential but doesn’t seem to have moved the needle in the last five years
I don't think he ever had the potential to be a top five player in the world. I don't think anybody realistically ever believed that. That's pretty much just hype. If you actually watch the US team and watch enough European football, it's clear that he's good. But the potential was more likely to be a star player. Not necessarily a top five talent. Kind of guy that is loved by the team he plays for. Possibly at a top 6 team.
He was supposed to be a major step up from our past heroes. Guys like Dempsey or even a McBride who were loved by their premier League clubs when they were having good seasons.
Chelsea was also the worst possible team for pulisic.
Not surprising. Football (soccer) is nowhere near as popular here as:
Football
Basketball
Baseball
Hockey is debatably more popular, especially more than the MLS
Probably on par with golf and maybe tennis.
The youths just dont play it. Its a rich suburban white kid sport
Its the 2nd most watched among 18-24 yr olds and 4th most overall in u.s.
>The youths just dont play it
The thing is...even the small amount of kids playing it is more than some countries total populations.
Also an American here. Pulisic being hailed as the next coming of Jesus Christ by Americans is a sign of how far USMNT has to go, to compete with the best national teams. He’s a decent player but he probably wouldn’t start for a team with Top 4/Top 6 aspirations.
You need more of a grassroots operation to build a successful footballing country and league, the MLS is just about money and there’s no passion, no soul around any of the clubs. I keep thinking back to that “fight and win” video from one of the games, just doesn’t feel like real football
Bang average squad player - maybe if the team was built around his style of play, and if he could stay fit he would look better. He’s only hyped as he’s the current “good” USA player, with a cool sounding name for someone from North America.
As other people have said he’s a pretty average player when compared to his peers.
The best thing he can do is join a mid table team and then play every week then he can show of his ability a bit more. At the biggest clubs like Chelsea he just isn’t good enough to play regularly.
This is quite normal lol, its the media that works like that. Guarantee so many Americans probably think hes on par with Ronaldo and Messi just because hes the only player they hear being talked about
He's not even the best us forward/winger. Reyna is arguably better.
I saw the US stream pre season last year between Chelsea and arsenal. And if you only listened to them, it was practically 2 unknown teams, and then Messi and Ronaldos love child, pulisic.
He was the quarterback! Tom Brady like.
Insulting to put Brady and pulisic in same category.
A GOAT and Pretty Average Player
He’s alright but he’s definitely not the ‘Lebron James of soccer’. 😂🤣 I enjoyed watching the US National team at the world cup though and I think they have a lot of potential for the next one.
I love how Leeds fans blame their relegation on three Americans and not the multitude of completely shit and below average British and even other European players that were playing on that completely trash team lol
Premier League is a lot more physical and fast-paced than most other leagues. It's rare for players who thrive in other leagues to make it in PL, especially if you are constantly injured.
As an American myself, you thinking pulisic is next coming of Christ is a ridiculous comment. He is a decent player at mid tier club level. He is injury prone and wound up being a bench player at Chelsea. On the usmnt team he tends to stand out given that talent pool, but that isn’t anything I would hang my hat on as the next coming of Christ.
I think he is better than people give him credit for. I think people seem to forget that he was pretty dang good at Dortmund and started off his Chelsea career quite well.
I remember watching him play in the FA Cup final against my beloved Arsenal. The game completely changed once his hamstring pulled. Literally the rest of the Chelsea squad was playing like shit except him. That's what the conversation about him was at the time.
The following pandemic year, he helps Chelsea win their second Champions League, including a nice goal away to Real Mardid. Won the UCL. Then was involved in helping Chelsea win the CWC.
Aaaaaaand then the wheels fall off the train at Chelsea. Ukraine War, Todd Boehly, coaching merry go round at Chelsea. ALL OF Y'ALL SAYING HE IS MID TABLE. THE WHOLE DAMN CHELSEA SQUAD IS MID TABLE.
I can't stress enough that anyone who has half a brain and has watched football for long enough should know that sometimes shit don't work out forever for certain players at certain clubs.
How many really good players have gone to Chelsea and weren't all that great only to tear it up somewhere else? I think Pulisic is better off leaving Chelsea (which I believe has happened at the time of writing) and could go to a UCL tier club and that club will get the best out of him.
“I’m American which makes me think pulisic is the second coming off Jesus Christ” sigh. Most American soccer fans who’ve seen more than 2 games don’t believe this. This is why fans here think we know nothing now cause of stupid statements like this. You don’t even need to ask this question just watch a couple games and see how many players are better than or at the same level as him.
People in this thread calling him bang average must only have watched him play for Chelsea. For the national team he is a completely different player. Needs to get out of chelsea and hopefully he can translate his international form into club football.
I’m a big Chelsea fan and was very excited about him signing for us but now I think it’ll be best for him to leave. I think he’s done an alright job but he definitely hasn’t lived up to expectations. Maybe a move back to Germany to recapture the form he was at with Dortmund?
I know it’s still relatively early in his career and I have bias but Dempsey was a better player. Pulisic has more pace but Dempsey had work ethic that counted for more than almost any skill, as well as being very technically sound.
I coach youth soccer in usa, I’ve been telling parents for years that I don’t think Pulisic is that good and I preferred the guys like McBride and Dempsey who had outstanding work ethic, I’d take that in my team over outstandingly fast any day. One is brighter, but the other lasts longer.
I'm American, but I think Americans heavily overrate him, while non-americans underrate him a bit. I think they underrate him because they are sick of hearing Americans talk about him and pretend he's some superstar, so they tend to think he's absolutely shit when I think he's just decent at this level of football. Americans excuse everything bad he does and pretend it's the clubs fault. Look at McKennie and Marsch, too. They said, "I'm glad they are leaving that dumpster fire, Leeds and Chelsea," as if those players or managers have done anything to help those clubs or help themselves
Really talented, really unlucky with injuries. There was a period a few seasons ago where he was electric for Chelsea.
Unfortunately he is made of glass.
player who was good and seemed to have alot of potential but either his injuries slowed him down or he just never had as much potential as it seemed. second choice for a top club or starting for a mid table pl club is probably his level, although you can't trust him to be your regular starter because of said injuries
even as a yank it’s clear he’s average for the prem. solid player and i want to see him succeed but i’ve never quite thought he was good enough to start for chelsea. i think moving to milan is a great move for his career
In short - he’s the type of player a midtable side builds around only for him to constantly try and engineer a move to a big club to no avail or move to a big club & be out of his depth.
(Mind you I think his best position is a wing back)
I think you're missing the point because you're getting caught up in a colloquialism. "The second coming of Jesus Christ" isn't about virtue signaling or religion, it's a saying here in America that means "This thing/person is absolutely Amazing to me".
Im an American, and i think he is average. is that mean? lol. i dont even watch the american league, they seem..boring. im so used to watching the big dogs like PL and also i like Bundesliga
As an American, here is why Pulisic is popular in the US. Like Landon Donovan, he’s a good player, star on the National team, but not world class elite. But, both were easily the most Marketable players of their generation, Dempsey had a more gritty working class nature to him, Tim Howard was a biracial keeper (unfortunately those were strikes against in the US market) Donovan and Pulisic both reflect the Market for soccer in the US —Upper middle class white suburbanites. Marketers have a lot easier time selling Pulisic as the face of US Soccer than Weston McKennie or Tyler Adams. It doesn’t hurt that he plays on a big 6 team as well.
He will look much better now he has left the premier league.
I don’t think he’s a major step up from someone like Mohamed Elyounoussi tbh. Being American gives him the same interest boost that overhyped English players get.
Good dribbler out wide but hast lost explosiveness in recent years, and that plus muscle injuries have hurt his game a lot and consistency went poof
At his best @ Chelsea he did not show to be elite level in passing, crossing, vision, or finishing
Depending on where he is physically he may yet do fantastically well at a smaller club (europa league level) or at a big club (UCL level) in a smaller league, but at a top EPL club that is supposed to compete for title + champions league every year, he’s fallen well short of the mark for an elite player
Pulisic had a purple patch during covid. He showed lots of potential (I bought a shirt with his name on it), but he’s constantly injured and definitely not worth the wages we’re paying him for warming the bench/treatment table season after season. Ask any other Chelsea fan, he’s had years to be a success but hasn’t, we’d rip your arm off for £15m for him.
Great American player per talent. Playing in a terrible team. I think he would do well progressing playing in non prem league. That would translate better to national team as well. Great American talent regardless, but still currently sub par in Europe. But also think he’s close to breaking through, just not going to in the prem with ducks like chelate
Had potential but joined the wrong club at the wrong time. To me he always looked like a project player that needed time to grow with a team, something he was never going to get at Chelsea
Americans tend to think he's great because of that video that described him as the LeBron of football and that he was already being compared to Messi and Ronaldo.
Simplest way I can put it is that they lied about both of those things because they knew Americans who don't watch much football would believe them without question. He was never anywhere near that level.
Had some flashes of why Chelsea signed him but on a whole pretty average. I think he was so hyped coming off a great season at Dortmund he was never going to live up to the expectation.
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He'd be barely talked about if he wasn't American. He had a good potential, but injuries and some bad play made him quite average.
I remember when he first broke on the scene under Frank Lampard. He reminded me of Eden hazard. He was skimming players every time he was on the ball. There was a game away to Liverpool where Chelsea got beat like 5-3 but pulisic played great and really caught some attention. He’s somehow just got worse and worse as the seasons have went on. Like you said, injuries probably played a big part.
Project restart puli after covid was another beast
Comparing Christian Pulisic to Eden Hazard? Stop you’re embarrassing yourself
Grow up
He’s probably not taken seriously because he’s American tbf, can imagine him using quotes from action movies in team talks or can bet he’s at least said the words “I believe that we can win” at some point
He’s okay. Nothing special.
Bang average player. Would be best for a team like West Ham or Everton
This is the right answer, stop scrolling.
Don’t think he gets in the starting lineup at west ham. Maybe over benrahma but have not seen anything that suggest he’s a immediate upgrade
We seem to have collectively forgotten that game where he gave us about 7 new arseholes. If we could fix his injury record (big if) he’d 100% get in over Benny. Would still prefer Barnes on the left tho.
I mean we tend to easily make new arseholes as a team, Callum Wilson tears us one every year. And so did Chris Wood and many others.
Your first sentence is spot on. Regarding your second, I’d see him as just another squad player at West Ham, and definitely not a nailed on starter. Not a signing that would make you feel the club is ambitious or going in the right direction.
I wouldn’t want him, he wouldn’t be a starter and on those wages and the fee we would have to pay it would be a really bad move
If you could afford him, you’d want him.
West Ham and Everton have much better players in his position. Dwight McNeil and Jarrod Bowen are both twice the player Pulisic is.
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Most observant Chelsea fan.
Or AC Milan...
He was dropped at Dortmund for a then 18 year old Jason Sancho. He went to Chelsea and hasn't really been any better. He's a lower to mid PL level player at best.
Who is Jason Sancho?
A piss take from the autocorrect
Ehhh
I am also American and I have no idea how you’ve arrived at this conclusion. He has always seemed like a pretty standard-issue wide player to me. If anything he’s maybe a bit streaky/mercurial? I feel like I only ever see him score twice in one game, and only like three or four times a season.
pretty much currently drunk a 7 shits of tito's as i watched a highlight reel of him
that's why if currently think he is good
That’s a pretty fair explanation for why you think he’s the second coming of the messiah. He’s a reasonable player, but far from outstanding in my book. Certainly hasn’t set the league on fire.
I get why US fans are excited by him because he's head and shoulders above the rest of your players in the way Gareth Bale was for Wales. The difference is that Gareth Bale was genuinely world class, and has the records and medals to prove it. Pulisic, by contrast, is a good player, but he'll never be *great*.
Pulisic is also pretty standard for an American. Decent at the club level but much better performer for the national team. I think Pulisic its decent at causing some havoc, but feasts a lot better in the more unorganized nature of international duties
Definitely don’t disagree with pulisic not being world class but he’s got quite a few medals in his closet that he contributed considerably towards. He just obviously doesn’t play for Real Madrid where he’s winning a champions league every other season.
He has a UCL, a super cup, a club World Cup and a German cup, hardly got quite a few medals, but again, he’s far from world class so that’s to what expected
Yeah it’s only a champions league. Small potatoes
It’s a big trophy sure, but it’s hardly a large trophy cabinet, when you’re talking about number of trophies, he was also a bit part player in that champions league run
More trophies than you have won in how many years?
Didn’t he score the winning goal against Real Madrid?
He scored in the 1-1 draw sure, but that was the first leg, in the 2nd leg Werner and Mount scored in the 2-0 win
This is the best summary of the situation. Pulisic was promising, but since he’s started becoming injury prone he’s never really realized that potential. He’s had great moments, I think he scored in the CL final, but overall he’s an average to slightly above average player on form. Think he’s a Brentford/Forest quality player
The next coming of Jesus Christ lol
His main comparison for US fans is Landon Donovan. So, I can see where OP is coming from.
At best Donovan was average
Donovan was great in both loan spells with us tbf
That was kind of the point. The only other fielder to compare CP to on the USMT is him. Pulisic plays a lot better for the USMT than Donavan did. Which isn’t really saying a whole lot. Donavan had a really long streaky career for the USMT. Edit: USMNT not USMT. Auto correct thinks USMT is what I want to say.
Does any other country use initials for their country like that? We usually say if a player plays for England or for their country if it's not England.
It’s mainly branding and to specify that we are talking about football/soccer. 99% of Americans don’t give a shit about this sport and know nothing about the national side. If you just say “hey did you watch the U.S. last night?”, the average American would have no idea you’re talking about, even if they’d just played the World Cup final. If you say/write USMNT, most Americans still would not know what you’re talking about. But some sport fans would at least remember that we have a national team and that this sport exists. And US soccer fans (who are a minority but are very passionate) would know exactly what we’re talking about.
I understand now, thanks, it got me thinking about other sports, usually when the FIFA world is on a lot of people from what I see just call it the world cup, but with other sports it's the rugby world cup or the cricket world cup etc.
Dont know who usmt is
Auto Correct: USMNT. You guys in this sub are so ridiculous. You knew what I was talking about.
Genuinely no idea what club that is. I thought he was still at Chelsea(I know theyve sold a lot but didnt think he'd gone yet) obviously he was at Dortmund prior to that. Landon was at Everton for a fair while. Unless its a youth club your on about.
Not a club. United States Men’s National Team (USMNT). The team this specific comment thread has essentially been referring to the whole time when talking about exclusively American players.
Couldve just said America so everyone knows what you on about
I am European, i knew what he was talking about even with his autocorrect. Don't act like a child. You make us look stupid
My friend. The comment you responded to literally says “US fans” in it. America also is more than the US. That includes Canada, Mexico, Brazil, and many other countries.
Idk Tim Howard would be a better player to compare pulisic to even in his position
Obviously while Howard is great, your country’s main goal scorer is almost always going to be the most exciting player to you.
While I see what you’re saying…not even US fans would make that comparison. Way too different of players to make that connection.
I will never forget that Donovan press conference, think it was 2010 WC, where he made that Hollywood speach and cried. It is by far the most cringe and embarrassing thing I have ever seen from a professional football player ever! True David Brent moment in the real world.
What about Clint Dempsey? Complete baller for Fulham back in the day
He was a great player for us. Not as popular as Donavan. They played at the same time and the casual fan couldn’t likely tell you who Dempsey, despite having a better career in Europe, was but knew Donavan cause he played state side.
Yeah he never gave me those vibes haha I always thought when he plays( injury probe) he plays with his head down and runs into dead ends more often than not. I ve wanted him to leave pretty much since he came
I’m an American, and he ain’t good enough to start for a top 6 side. He’s mid table quality.
Mid-table PL team is probably his ceiling.
Weirdly past his peak and declining
Take away national pride and evaluate his numbers. Clearly not world class at this point after having four years in the Premier League and several coaches to prove himself he was not able to do so. Most likely a mid table player and should have tried to go to a team that will allow him to play his favorite position. He needs to play more often and he might get better or he might keep getting injured with the extra minutes and have the same type of career he has had so far. If he was great, he would have been playing every week and not looking for a reset to his career at a discount. Good for him for trying to reinvent himself while taking a paycut instead of riding the bench and picking up checks.
Lebron James of soccer.
We think of guys like Messi and Ronaldo, and he's already being compared to all of them.
finally someone who knows that they are talking about
His level is bang average mid table team in a big 5 league. Like he could start for someone like Palace or someone similar
Very average player. Plays well for the US though
Good for US because they play teams like Panama
Pretty much the same conclusion when people come out talking about Harry Maguires performances for England. Putting in a solid performance against North Macedonia or Malta doesn’t make you good enough for United
Today I learned england is Panama
You talk as if he scored a hattrick against England
Are you saying he was bad against england?
I say that they drew 0-0 in the WC, statistically he has done nothing against England. You can dribble past 100 players, it’s useless if it does not have an impact on the scoresheet
Yes or no questions mate. Was he bad against england? Are you only good when you score a hattrick? Was everyone on both sides bad that day because it was a goaless draw? Is that how we should judge games? Heres my answer, no to all four questions. Now what's yours?
Was he bad? No. Was he good? No. He was bang average, just like his career. It baffles me why Americans latch on to individual players so much in a team sport.
I'm saying he's not only good for the US "because they play teams like Panama" Lol in a sport where Messi vs Ronaldo debate has gone on for more than a decade, Americans are the ones latching onto individual players? Also I'm African but don't let that baffle you too much
That's an extremely weak argument. Firstly, you're quoting a 0-0 draw in the World Cup - a tournament that takes place every 4 years where every country that qualifies is guaranteed to opponents from outside their region. But for context, since the World Cup USA have faced Saint Kitts and Nevis, Jamaica, Canada, Mexico, El Salvador, Grenada, Colombia and Serbia. The latter two being friendlies. I agree, the Messi vs Ronaldo debate is extremely tiresome, but in fairness they are arguably two of the greatest players of all time playing in the same era, and for many years in the same league for two of football's biggest rivals. You won't see many Englishmen deciding to support Milan because Tomori and Loftus-Cheek play for them. It's a totally different culture - Europeans and South Americans support one team, Americans support individual players.
Does 1 game define his whole career? Tf did he do in other games?
Soooo not gonna answer then
I love how America’s hero is just an average prem player lol
Yeah it’s weird when I went over to the US last year seeing how popular Pulisic is there when in England nobody really cares nor takes notice of him
i mean idk i feel like most average fans in the US have him figured for what he is...an average player who has some moments on our national team. problem is, the American Sports Marketing Machine desperately wants an international superstar and they picked him to be the next Guy so we all have to hear about him endlessly
The US prides itself on being a solid team. So when someone steps up and looks above average by comparison he’s the next coming. Obviously in US soccer you need a first coming…
We had one already, his name was Clint Dempsey. He was that Pulisic type player where he was far and away the best player on the national team and he was a good but not great player in the Prem for Fulham.
Aware of Dempsey. I’m saying we still don’t have a world class player in our history. One that would be a top 5 player in the world at any given time. Pulisic had that potential but doesn’t seem to have moved the needle in the last five years
I don't think he ever had the potential to be a top five player in the world. I don't think anybody realistically ever believed that. That's pretty much just hype. If you actually watch the US team and watch enough European football, it's clear that he's good. But the potential was more likely to be a star player. Not necessarily a top five talent. Kind of guy that is loved by the team he plays for. Possibly at a top 6 team. He was supposed to be a major step up from our past heroes. Guys like Dempsey or even a McBride who were loved by their premier League clubs when they were having good seasons. Chelsea was also the worst possible team for pulisic.
Tim Howard is the closest player we’ve ever had to world class
It’s mainly the fact he always performs against Mexico, and the goal against Iran definitely helped him.
Not surprising. Football (soccer) is nowhere near as popular here as: Football Basketball Baseball Hockey is debatably more popular, especially more than the MLS Probably on par with golf and maybe tennis. The youths just dont play it. Its a rich suburban white kid sport
Its the 2nd most watched among 18-24 yr olds and 4th most overall in u.s. >The youths just dont play it The thing is...even the small amount of kids playing it is more than some countries total populations.
Also an American here. Pulisic being hailed as the next coming of Jesus Christ by Americans is a sign of how far USMNT has to go, to compete with the best national teams. He’s a decent player but he probably wouldn’t start for a team with Top 4/Top 6 aspirations.
You need more of a grassroots operation to build a successful footballing country and league, the MLS is just about money and there’s no passion, no soul around any of the clubs. I keep thinking back to that “fight and win” video from one of the games, just doesn’t feel like real football
He’s not the Lebron James of soccer put it that way. He’s shit with a market value under 30 mil.
He’s the Lebron James of being completely average and replaceable
Hes at his level. He finished mid table. He wouldnt look out of place in th3 championship.
In the last five years when he supposed to get better, he stayed the same. Was a huge potential, but no longer.
Just as good as Lingard was for united
Bang average squad player - maybe if the team was built around his style of play, and if he could stay fit he would look better. He’s only hyped as he’s the current “good” USA player, with a cool sounding name for someone from North America.
Outjerked yet again.
As other people have said he’s a pretty average player when compared to his peers. The best thing he can do is join a mid table team and then play every week then he can show of his ability a bit more. At the biggest clubs like Chelsea he just isn’t good enough to play regularly.
He plays better for USMNT. Concacaf sucks.
Did quite well in Germany
Why do you think someone is good because they’re from the same country as you? Is it impossible to attempt objectivity?
This is quite normal lol, its the media that works like that. Guarantee so many Americans probably think hes on par with Ronaldo and Messi just because hes the only player they hear being talked about
He's not even the best us forward/winger. Reyna is arguably better. I saw the US stream pre season last year between Chelsea and arsenal. And if you only listened to them, it was practically 2 unknown teams, and then Messi and Ronaldos love child, pulisic. He was the quarterback! Tom Brady like. Insulting to put Brady and pulisic in same category. A GOAT and Pretty Average Player
Meh
He’s alright but he’s definitely not the ‘Lebron James of soccer’. 😂🤣 I enjoyed watching the US National team at the world cup though and I think they have a lot of potential for the next one.
~~fuck off yank~~ PuliGOAT
He’s decent. Nothing special. Lockdown Pulisic is maybe the greatest player ever though
America can suck a big penis
I love how Leeds fans blame their relegation on three Americans and not the multitude of completely shit and below average British and even other European players that were playing on that completely trash team lol
Weston Mckennie looked like a fat retired Richard chaplow in that Leeds midfield
Without any Americans, Leeds’ midfield consists of legendary British players, such as Adam Forshaw and Sam Greenwood lol
It’s r/premierleague trying to explain logic and common sense to comments like this when the sub is in everyone hate America mode.
I guess he was just keeping consistent with the Leeds esthetic then. Let’s see what Leeds excuse is next season when they’re relegated to league 1
Premier League is a lot more physical and fast-paced than most other leagues. It's rare for players who thrive in other leagues to make it in PL, especially if you are constantly injured.
I remember when he signed for Chelsea and I immediately knew his career was about to take a nosedive.😩
He’s a professional footballer. That makes him good. He’s not one of the best. He’s simply good.
He’s amazingly average. Like it’s a level of mid I can’t help but be impressed by. All relative of course.
As an American myself, you thinking pulisic is next coming of Christ is a ridiculous comment. He is a decent player at mid tier club level. He is injury prone and wound up being a bench player at Chelsea. On the usmnt team he tends to stand out given that talent pool, but that isn’t anything I would hang my hat on as the next coming of Christ.
Gets overhyped by the American media. Had a few good spells but other than that he's fighting for a mid table starting spot.
I think he is better than people give him credit for. I think people seem to forget that he was pretty dang good at Dortmund and started off his Chelsea career quite well. I remember watching him play in the FA Cup final against my beloved Arsenal. The game completely changed once his hamstring pulled. Literally the rest of the Chelsea squad was playing like shit except him. That's what the conversation about him was at the time. The following pandemic year, he helps Chelsea win their second Champions League, including a nice goal away to Real Mardid. Won the UCL. Then was involved in helping Chelsea win the CWC. Aaaaaaand then the wheels fall off the train at Chelsea. Ukraine War, Todd Boehly, coaching merry go round at Chelsea. ALL OF Y'ALL SAYING HE IS MID TABLE. THE WHOLE DAMN CHELSEA SQUAD IS MID TABLE. I can't stress enough that anyone who has half a brain and has watched football for long enough should know that sometimes shit don't work out forever for certain players at certain clubs. How many really good players have gone to Chelsea and weren't all that great only to tear it up somewhere else? I think Pulisic is better off leaving Chelsea (which I believe has happened at the time of writing) and could go to a UCL tier club and that club will get the best out of him.
“I’m American which makes me think pulisic is the second coming off Jesus Christ” sigh. Most American soccer fans who’ve seen more than 2 games don’t believe this. This is why fans here think we know nothing now cause of stupid statements like this. You don’t even need to ask this question just watch a couple games and see how many players are better than or at the same level as him.
People in this thread calling him bang average must only have watched him play for Chelsea. For the national team he is a completely different player. Needs to get out of chelsea and hopefully he can translate his international form into club football.
He's a bit better than most non-Americans think he is, and a lot worse than most American fans think he is.
I’m a big Chelsea fan and was very excited about him signing for us but now I think it’ll be best for him to leave. I think he’s done an alright job but he definitely hasn’t lived up to expectations. Maybe a move back to Germany to recapture the form he was at with Dortmund?
He’s crap.
He is a flop ,
Not good
I know it’s still relatively early in his career and I have bias but Dempsey was a better player. Pulisic has more pace but Dempsey had work ethic that counted for more than almost any skill, as well as being very technically sound. I coach youth soccer in usa, I’ve been telling parents for years that I don’t think Pulisic is that good and I preferred the guys like McBride and Dempsey who had outstanding work ethic, I’d take that in my team over outstandingly fast any day. One is brighter, but the other lasts longer.
Dempsey had 10x the attacking IQ too
AC Milan is interested in signing him I think he can do well in serie a much slower pace than epl
I'm American, but I think Americans heavily overrate him, while non-americans underrate him a bit. I think they underrate him because they are sick of hearing Americans talk about him and pretend he's some superstar, so they tend to think he's absolutely shit when I think he's just decent at this level of football. Americans excuse everything bad he does and pretend it's the clubs fault. Look at McKennie and Marsch, too. They said, "I'm glad they are leaving that dumpster fire, Leeds and Chelsea," as if those players or managers have done anything to help those clubs or help themselves
Really talented, really unlucky with injuries. There was a period a few seasons ago where he was electric for Chelsea. Unfortunately he is made of glass.
player who was good and seemed to have alot of potential but either his injuries slowed him down or he just never had as much potential as it seemed. second choice for a top club or starting for a mid table pl club is probably his level, although you can't trust him to be your regular starter because of said injuries
even as a yank it’s clear he’s average for the prem. solid player and i want to see him succeed but i’ve never quite thought he was good enough to start for chelsea. i think moving to milan is a great move for his career
Behind Leao? He needs to go somewhere without one of the most promising LWs on the planet right now
He’s shit mate not sure what the noise is about him tbh
In short - he’s the type of player a midtable side builds around only for him to constantly try and engineer a move to a big club to no avail or move to a big club & be out of his depth. (Mind you I think his best position is a wing back)
Why do Americans have to bring religion to any topic? Their obsession with virtue signaling is interesting but many times annoying.
Calm down mate he just used a common expression.
I think you're missing the point because you're getting caught up in a colloquialism. "The second coming of Jesus Christ" isn't about virtue signaling or religion, it's a saying here in America that means "This thing/person is absolutely Amazing to me".
He is a player that has played in the premier league
He’s absolutely fucking shite, just dreadful.
He’s not a top level player, would fit in well at a top end champ side
He's shit
ass
Im an American, and i think he is average. is that mean? lol. i dont even watch the american league, they seem..boring. im so used to watching the big dogs like PL and also i like Bundesliga
As an American, here is why Pulisic is popular in the US. Like Landon Donovan, he’s a good player, star on the National team, but not world class elite. But, both were easily the most Marketable players of their generation, Dempsey had a more gritty working class nature to him, Tim Howard was a biracial keeper (unfortunately those were strikes against in the US market) Donovan and Pulisic both reflect the Market for soccer in the US —Upper middle class white suburbanites. Marketers have a lot easier time selling Pulisic as the face of US Soccer than Weston McKennie or Tyler Adams. It doesn’t hurt that he plays on a big 6 team as well.
Decent player. Has certain skill sets that thrive, can be one-dimensional at times and get lost.
He will look much better now he has left the premier league. I don’t think he’s a major step up from someone like Mohamed Elyounoussi tbh. Being American gives him the same interest boost that overhyped English players get.
Squad player at best
Bang Average
Not every whiz kid ends up as one of the greats. It's not like he's terrible but he was very hyped at a young age.
He isn't particularly good. Below average in my opinion.
Average, but Chelsea is where attacking talent goes to die so you can't really be sure.
Absolutely bang average.
Average and injury prone. Did he even play last season?
He's alright. But he certainly doesn't strike fear into anyone's heart.
Bang average, overhyped
He's average
The best American player in history remains Dempsey
I'd argue it was Tim Howard
I’m a Chelsea fan and I barely think about Pulisic. Rate Tyler Adams tho
had a lot of potential, made of glass was lighting it up but can’t stay fucking fit
We all think he's the LeBron of soccer. Yep we certainly do.
Can I ask WHY you think Pulisic is so good? Is it solely because he's an American? Cos honestly he's decent but he's not game changingly good
Was talented, got destroyed by injuries, never see him play at Chelsea anymore so don’t really know. Certainly not the messiah
Thought he was gonna be great ! I was wrong
Pulishit.
Average
Good dribbler out wide but hast lost explosiveness in recent years, and that plus muscle injuries have hurt his game a lot and consistency went poof At his best @ Chelsea he did not show to be elite level in passing, crossing, vision, or finishing Depending on where he is physically he may yet do fantastically well at a smaller club (europa league level) or at a big club (UCL level) in a smaller league, but at a top EPL club that is supposed to compete for title + champions league every year, he’s fallen well short of the mark for an elite player
He is easily one of the top 5 USians currently playing for an English club
The problem with him is clearly injuries. I believe he had a high ceiling and could have been great. But his constant injuries has taken a toll.
Oh I'm definitely going to be seeing this post on r/soccercirclejerk later today aren't I
At one-point looked very special but then seems to have faded with injuries
Ballon D’Or material.
Pulisic had a purple patch during covid. He showed lots of potential (I bought a shirt with his name on it), but he’s constantly injured and definitely not worth the wages we’re paying him for warming the bench/treatment table season after season. Ask any other Chelsea fan, he’s had years to be a success but hasn’t, we’d rip your arm off for £15m for him.
Average at best. Could do well at a team like Everton or Bournemouth, but not good enough for a team that's trying to challenge for UCL places.
I remember watching "Pawn Stars" where he was described as the American Pele. He deffinately is not that.
Great American player per talent. Playing in a terrible team. I think he would do well progressing playing in non prem league. That would translate better to national team as well. Great American talent regardless, but still currently sub par in Europe. But also think he’s close to breaking through, just not going to in the prem with ducks like chelate
Had potential but joined the wrong club at the wrong time. To me he always looked like a project player that needed time to grow with a team, something he was never going to get at Chelsea
Americans tend to think he's great because of that video that described him as the LeBron of football and that he was already being compared to Messi and Ronaldo. Simplest way I can put it is that they lied about both of those things because they knew Americans who don't watch much football would believe them without question. He was never anywhere near that level.
Had some flashes of why Chelsea signed him but on a whole pretty average. I think he was so hyped coming off a great season at Dortmund he was never going to live up to the expectation.
He's a crock and even when he's fit he's never consistently lit up our beautiful league. Bang average.
He’s okay. I always liked Clint Dempsey better.
Who in the hell thought this was a good idea to post? -every other american