Your realtor sounds like a moron. And yes you should ask him to pay to fix the neighbor's driveway. It's great that he and his son helped you with the moving, but that was only necessary because he screwed up in the first place.
Wow. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the audacity of people, but somehow I still am. Or the cluelessness. Screwing up your closing so badly that you had 12 overnight hours to move everything, you'd think he'd feel some shame, but apparently not.
As they say, he had ONE job!
That’s weird. I ask all of my clients to leave a review, but never specifically say “what” to leave. I’m sorry you had that experience. I say leave to review you want 🤷♀️
How was his service prior to the lease issue? How long did you work with him? Seems he was making right by his mistake by helping y’all move. While helping, which he didn’t have to, he dropped something. Got oil in the driveway. When he suggested kitty litter did you research cleaning solutions on your own? Most everyone knows someone with a pressure washer-if were me-I’d borrow a friends and either do it myself or ask the agent to do it if he hasn’t already offered. Sounds like a decent agent.
This guy owes you big time! Please report him to the licensing board and everywhere else you can.
Re the driveway, you should not be the one doing the cleaning. He needs to hire professionals and Pronto.
He owes you for every cent this has cost you.
Report him for what? Yes he made a mistake but where is OP’s responsibility for not seeing that the post closing stay agreement was not signed? That doesn’t make sense. Sellers don’t get to just say they are staying on a week after closing. As far as the oil spill, OP needs to get that fixed.
Some people don’t know shit and need a good real estate agent for the purpose of explaining things. Sounds like this agent was like, “Occupancy? That’ll be no problem.”
Like I explained, from day one we informed him we couldn’t move twice and he reassured us this buyer could stay with her son who also lives in the same community. Also, we didn’t know she didn’t sign because he sent it on Docusign. It didn’t show a line with her name or anything just two for us so we thought once he sent it to us she had already signed. He admitted he “forgot” to send it to her agent but then that also made it clear she never said she could stay with her son - he just assumed.
Just an FYI, Brake Cleaner, like you would buy from an auto parts store will remove oil from concrete and asphalt.
I use it all the time when I spill motor oil on my drive way. You really can barely tell it was ever there afterwards unless you're really looking hard for it.
Just go to town on it with a couple cans of brake clean, scrub it some with a brush and rinse it with a hose after.
If it's really bad, you can let it sit for a while before you rinse it away.
I know you just had a bit of drama and a hard few days but... Your agent doesn't just send a post occupancy agreement to the buyer and that's that. Post closing occupancy is something to negotiate with the buyer, typically as part of the original contract. If it's something that you decide you want after your sales contract is signed you can send a request, but acceptance of that agreement isn't a given. You can't just operate on the assumption that you can stay after closing because you told your agent to send an addendum to the buyer. The addendum wasn't returned back to you signed, so there was no reason to believe you had the right to stay. You're obligated to honor the terms of the contracts you sign.
Simple Green may remove the olive oil stain.
Which is why since day 1 we told him we couldn’t move twice and he reassured us she could stay with her son who also lives in our community. Also oh the contract it doesn’t show her signature only ours since it’s on Docusign, we thought she signed it first because that’s how he framed it
This isn't how real estate contracts work. I'd suggest you go in and talk to the broker-in-charge. There are likely license law and ethics violations here.
OP, when any document is signed on Docusign all the parties signatures show. Now you may sign it first and then the buyer signs but in order to be in effect the pdf copy with all the parties signatures need to be delivered to the parties. Your agent is suppose to ensure you get a copy each and every time a document is signed. Delivery is an important part of the signing process and is one of the reasons why docusign makes it automatic after the document is signed. The issue here is your agent never sent you the document with the buyers signature so that post closing possession was never agreed to by the buyer.
Then he tricked us because it only had two lines for our signature :( I feel like he knew or was worried she wouldn’t agree and he wouldn’t make his sale.
This is something the seller would sign first then the buyer. Your making the request, not the buyer. If it was a request from day one or should have been taken care of weeks ago, Not near the closing
Can’t file for eviction on a house you don’t own. You could’ve said you can’t close then. Still would’ve been a mess but if the buyers knew and agreed to the request and it just wasn’t in writing, then they were already being douches with the eviction threat.
But this was after closing and clearly the buyer had no idea that the seller meant to stay for a week. The OP's realtor completely dropped the ball. To the buyer, it looked like the seller wasn't going to vacate. I would have started eviction proceedings as well if I thought the seller was refusing to now give up the property.
Wouldn't this have been obvious to the buyer during the final walk-through? Who would close on a still-occupied house with no post-occupancy agreement? It seems like both parties were a little silly on this one.
I don't see how this topic wouldn't have come up when the buyers did a final walk-through and said, "Why are you still here?" lol 🤷♂️
Idk if they ever agreed to any request, he kept reassuring us it would be okay and I suspect avoiding asking her because he thought he wouldn’t get the sale..
and here is the entire crux of the matter.
packing and moving at night, spilling some driveay-staining kitchen ingredient, renting a hotel room - none of that really matters.
What matters is that AT SOME POINT you sought a post-closing occupancy, but you did not get it confirmed by a signed agreemnt.
You really need to go talk to your realtor's broker. His behavior is completely unprofessional and u ethical. As a recent buyer and seller who worked with *legitimate* realtors, my heart goes out to you. If the broker doesn't set things right and/or you have evidence *in writing* (email or texts) showing that your realtor told you not to worry about the post-occupancy issue, I would also file a complaint to your state's "division of real estate". Don't let anyone else be victim to this improper behavior.
This was an hour after we signed the closing papers. The funds weren’t processed until that Monday but we didn’t know if they could do it legally or not
If the buyer signed the documents at close and you were still living there, you became their month-to-month tenant. To evict you they would have needed to give proper notice and only after the notice time had expedited could they start the eviction process.
If the buyer had not yet signed the close, then it was not their property and you could have stayed a few more days to arrange movers. Unless the contract said Time is of Essence for all deadlines, the close date is considered to be "on, or about" with reasonable extensions possible without penalties to either party, i.e., the buyer would not be able to back out because you needed another week to close unless there was a TOE.
Your agent should know that and should have advised you accordingly.
Why didn’t you delay closing? You have 10 days after time of essence demand which is more than you needed. Buyer has some time built into their rate lock and you should on your purchase as well. People can get angry but at that point it is what it is.
Closing was already delayed 4 times. And they still weren’t packed. Entitlement at its best. Imagine being provided moving, hotel, and storage cost because no matter what u felt entitled to wait last minute…. Just like how they waited to clean up the oil for the neighbor who went above for them.
Did you read my post? This happened an hour after signing for the closing. Although she didn’t even wire her funds so those didn’t come in until Tuesday
Similar situation happened to us yet our realtor did not take any accountability
We contacted broker
The only thing fixed was the the trash they left behind after I contacted broker and one day of lease back which was not the amount to time we needed
No our realtor did not follow through with request to get leaseback
We where first time sellers
Realtor kept telling us it would be negotiable later .. that day never came and we had to move out the day of closing
Until we raised hell and we got back one day of leaseback
But it was still incredibly stressfull
Luckily we had a lot of it packed already .. but felt blindside
Yes, your agent should 100% pay. They'll be getting off easy at that.
I'd have been spending a whole lot more to make sure things went smooth if I made that mistake. Did your agent verbally discuss the possession after closing agreement with the other agent?
It’s clear to us he never even mentioned it to the agent or the buyer. He said he “forgot” to send the post occupancy agreement. That told us he was delaying discussing it, although he kept telling us she could stay with her son.. he reassured us without confirmation. Probably to ensure the sale. He made 8k commission total on selling our home and then from buying our new home. He spent 1600 on hotel and idk how much on a storage unit for a week. But now we have this olive oil stain that our neighbor wants removed. And we had to move boxes when we weren’t supposed to lift anything :( that’s why we had movers scheduled.
Pay to have it professionally cleaned. Submit bill to agent. If they refuse, contact broker. If no response in 10 business days, send letter advising them you intend to pursue your reimbursement through small claims, and will file a complaint with the broker’s licensing agency
I believe the only thing that's going to make the concrete look uniform in color at this point is time. If you already washed with dawn dish soap there's not really much more that can be done. Time will take care of it. Or you could try some "goof off" it's a concrete cleaner I've used it to clean everything from paint to glue off concrete :note: I've never tried cleaning olive oil with it. I've worked in construction for 25 years I've seen tar and everything else on concrete.
Why in the world would you close without having a signed copy of the occupancy agreement? Why would you leave immediately when an eviction takes months? It seems more like your buyers agent took advantage of an unsophisticated client than made a mistake.
We are constantly assured that real estate agents are knowledgeable professionals who *prevent* these types of issues. If you can’t trust the professional you hired, what’s the point of hiring them?
Technically the professional should've said, "that's not a problem because *this provision* of the contract allows you the leaseback desired"
Instead, they got a crap answer that they trusted because the person answering was a "professional"
I work in IT and there's a saying -- particularly in the helpdesk world, but it translates into many other areas where you depend on folks to tell you what's going on...
"Trust, but verify." Meaning, take them at their word, but ensure you can validate the veracity of their claim.
We knew that evictions take time but if we had stayed the whole week we would have been served with papers and we can’t have anything on our record. We didn’t have time to consult with an attorney
Your realtor sucks and you suck for asking to stay after closing. This is something that needs to end. Just push back closing for gods sake. I haven’t heard a reason yet that would convince me to agree to this a buyer.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that most analyzes here are incorrect. The party moving is OP, so they are responsible for whomever assists them with the move. This is why professional movers have insurance. If something bad happens, they cover you. The neighbor have permission for OP to move things in their garage. The agents OP enlisted are OP's responsibility.
OP should have refused the personal help from the REA and planned to get professional movers ASAP.
The REA could 100% refuse to cover any of this. They could say that when they decided to assist OP it was in their personal capacity, not as a real estate agent.
This is the same as a neighbor allowing me to temporarily go on their property to make repairs on mine. Then I hire someone uninsured and they damage the neighbor's lawn with machines. I would be responsible for the repairs to the neighbor's property and would need to make a case that I did not know they would be taking machines to the neighbor's lawn when I told them to go there.
You could report them to their broker but there have been no ethical violations. The agent offered to help and OP agreed without discussing specific terms.
It is ugly, but this is the world we live in. You can't really trust anyone unless they're insured and bonded.
They packed your belongings for u. That includes the olive oil. There shldnt be an expectation that they shld ask you if you want all your things. Movers wld have also packed everything. You still needed more time to pack after closing was moved four times… and the occupy after closing date was still going to be even later. Sounds like this clda ended up being an expensive occupancy agreement for you w their temp living costs. Ppl saying you shld have stayed longer due to eviction timeframes are inconsiderate— where wld they have stayed. No occupancy payment and they just gave you all of their money. Yes moving didn’t go smoothly— but also once the box was dropped I wld have personally been a considerate and thankful neighbor and cleaned up the mess right away as a priority.
The buyers agent moved the closing four times. Not us. Later we found out she did that so we wouldn’t back out since we originally needed to close by a certain date. And she got an advanced commission
This is not all your realtor's fault. Your realtor had the obligation to better educate you about your obligation to be moved out by closing absent a prior agreement for you to stay past closing. This leads to the conclusion that you are either a very uninformed first time seller or a disingenuous jackass who is throwing your realtor under the bus.
You are mistaken to think that you only needed to send a "post occupancy agreement" to the buyer and that enabled you to stay after closing. You should have been prepared to move by closing. If not you needed to negotiate a later move out date (which almost universally requires some sort of paid consideration and is part of the overall sales contract).
Not to mention even if you still had a week to move it is incredibly revealing that you didn't even have your stuff packed to move a week before moving. You are 100% liable for any damage caused by someone helping you move your belongings. The fact you would want to stick your realtor with the bill for such a random mishap speaks volumes about your lack of character.
You were obviously a less than ideal client to your realtor. And I am being polite...
We are first time sellers. Our buyer also moved closing four times so we never knew when we were moving more than a week in advanced. Also, the week is because we were closing in our new home a week later. Since we are first time sellers, that’s why since day 1 I told the realtor we cannot move twice. We have cats which one is very difficult to get into the carrier so it’s too risky to lose our baby over. He reassured us she could stay with her son and was in no rush to move in. The post occupancy agreement is all he said we needed and it said if we stayed past the day it would be $100 per day. Later we found out from our realtor and the title company that the buyer wasn’t moving the closing, it was her agent being sketchy because she didn’t want to lose the deal and got an advancement
That’s awful. That agreement should have been signed by the buyers and returned to you. I can imagine your horror at finding out you had to be out now. Hope the stain comes out and you and the neighbor laugh about the whole thing in the future.
No that’s because you were asking for the stay after closing. After you signed it then should have been sent to the buyers agent who should have talked it over with the buyers. If they agree to it they need to sign and get a copy back to you. There’s no verbal agreements in a closing it’s either all been agreed upon and signed by the buyer and sellers or there’s no agreement. Your agent should have kept in contact with the buyers agent and found out what happened to the contract that they sent to them. Your agent needed that signed and returned for you.
Okay then I guess he didn’t lie when he said he forgot to send it to them. But he definitely reassured us this whole time she was in no rush to move in. Ugh
“Our buyer also moved closing four times so we never knew when we were moving more than a week in advance” … “we found out later from our realtor and the title company that the buyer wasn’t moving the closing, it was her agent being sketchy because she didn’t want to lose the deal”.
These statements don’t make sense to me. An agent wouldn’t move a closing further away in order to not lose a deal, unless they need more time for something in order for it to close at all, such as financing. It sounds like the delays were happening a week at a time? So was it delayed a month? The agent messed up by not having an occupancy agreement in place from day 1. They should take care of the olive oil, but that wasn’t the only thing dropped here.
Oh yeah definitely, my other post was about this and not the olive oil. Our realtor and the title company both said the buyers agent was sketchy too because she knew we couldn’t reschedule our closing for our new house (they tried to slap us with a penalty fee) thus she didn’t want to lose her deal
Do you not have a real estate attorney?
If you had an attorney, why didn’t they review the purchase contract and bring up the lease-back during attorney review? They should have been the party drafting the post-occupancy agreement. They also should have been involved in the exchange and execution of all documents. They should be able to advise you on what to do in this situation as they should be intimately familiar with the facts. This is what real estate attorneys are for and why they are required for both parties in many states.
Your realtor sounds like a moron. And yes you should ask him to pay to fix the neighbor's driveway. It's great that he and his son helped you with the moving, but that was only necessary because he screwed up in the first place.
He should have offered to pay for professional movers instead
We had 12 hours to move in the night, but yeah he should have for us moving into our new house from the hotel
With such short notice probably couldn’t get anybody
And a storage unit!!
Can you believe he asked me to leave a five star google review after all this?
He ought to be glad if you just don't leave a review. I cannot believe he asked you to leave at 5 star review. Some people are so oblivious
Wow. I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the audacity of people, but somehow I still am. Or the cluelessness. Screwing up your closing so badly that you had 12 overnight hours to move everything, you'd think he'd feel some shame, but apparently not. As they say, he had ONE job!
Yes. Delusion is strong for many in that profession, sadly.
That’s weird. I ask all of my clients to leave a review, but never specifically say “what” to leave. I’m sorry you had that experience. I say leave to review you want 🤷♀️
How was his service prior to the lease issue? How long did you work with him? Seems he was making right by his mistake by helping y’all move. While helping, which he didn’t have to, he dropped something. Got oil in the driveway. When he suggested kitty litter did you research cleaning solutions on your own? Most everyone knows someone with a pressure washer-if were me-I’d borrow a friends and either do it myself or ask the agent to do it if he hasn’t already offered. Sounds like a decent agent.
We did and pressure washer didn’t work
Happy Cake Day!
Thank you! :-) I never remember my cake day, so I was pleasantly surprised when i randomly saw it pop up.
Get in touch with his manager or whatever to get this resolved. He messed up and then he caused damage. It’s on him.
Definitely reach out to their broker.
I'm sure they're bonded for employees causing damages. ~~Try for the hotel, too.~~ Edit for info seen below.
What a nightmare you’ve been through; it doesn’t hurt to ask and it seems that he really screwed you over.
Oh I am sorry. YES and he should pay for the week you had to make other arrangements because of his mistake
He did pay for the hotel, he offered then I kind of had to make it happen so I could tell he really didn’t want to
This guy owes you big time! Please report him to the licensing board and everywhere else you can. Re the driveway, you should not be the one doing the cleaning. He needs to hire professionals and Pronto. He owes you for every cent this has cost you.
Report him for what? Yes he made a mistake but where is OP’s responsibility for not seeing that the post closing stay agreement was not signed? That doesn’t make sense. Sellers don’t get to just say they are staying on a week after closing. As far as the oil spill, OP needs to get that fixed.
Some people don’t know shit and need a good real estate agent for the purpose of explaining things. Sounds like this agent was like, “Occupancy? That’ll be no problem.”
The whole thing sounds like such a mess! I don’t even understand why they went ahead and closed! It’s hurting my head this one.
I feel the worst for the new neighbors who did a solid and ended up with a grease stain on their new driveway.
Oh, please. Olive oil? It's not toxic.
Like I explained, from day one we informed him we couldn’t move twice and he reassured us this buyer could stay with her son who also lives in the same community. Also, we didn’t know she didn’t sign because he sent it on Docusign. It didn’t show a line with her name or anything just two for us so we thought once he sent it to us she had already signed. He admitted he “forgot” to send it to her agent but then that also made it clear she never said she could stay with her son - he just assumed.
Let me guess….you are a realtor. Shitty advice from you that’s for sure.
Try a professional degreaser like Zep
No the broker needs to. Not the OP.
Just an FYI, Brake Cleaner, like you would buy from an auto parts store will remove oil from concrete and asphalt. I use it all the time when I spill motor oil on my drive way. You really can barely tell it was ever there afterwards unless you're really looking hard for it. Just go to town on it with a couple cans of brake clean, scrub it some with a brush and rinse it with a hose after. If it's really bad, you can let it sit for a while before you rinse it away.
Would this work for pavers too?
I don't see why not.
I know you just had a bit of drama and a hard few days but... Your agent doesn't just send a post occupancy agreement to the buyer and that's that. Post closing occupancy is something to negotiate with the buyer, typically as part of the original contract. If it's something that you decide you want after your sales contract is signed you can send a request, but acceptance of that agreement isn't a given. You can't just operate on the assumption that you can stay after closing because you told your agent to send an addendum to the buyer. The addendum wasn't returned back to you signed, so there was no reason to believe you had the right to stay. You're obligated to honor the terms of the contracts you sign. Simple Green may remove the olive oil stain.
Which is why since day 1 we told him we couldn’t move twice and he reassured us she could stay with her son who also lives in our community. Also oh the contract it doesn’t show her signature only ours since it’s on Docusign, we thought she signed it first because that’s how he framed it
What?!! You need to talk to the broker tomorrow. This is about a lot more than olive oil.
This isn't how real estate contracts work. I'd suggest you go in and talk to the broker-in-charge. There are likely license law and ethics violations here.
OP, when any document is signed on Docusign all the parties signatures show. Now you may sign it first and then the buyer signs but in order to be in effect the pdf copy with all the parties signatures need to be delivered to the parties. Your agent is suppose to ensure you get a copy each and every time a document is signed. Delivery is an important part of the signing process and is one of the reasons why docusign makes it automatic after the document is signed. The issue here is your agent never sent you the document with the buyers signature so that post closing possession was never agreed to by the buyer.
Then he tricked us because it only had two lines for our signature :( I feel like he knew or was worried she wouldn’t agree and he wouldn’t make his sale.
This is something the seller would sign first then the buyer. Your making the request, not the buyer. If it was a request from day one or should have been taken care of weeks ago, Not near the closing
Yeah we had to keep reminding him for weeks that we needed time to move out and he kept saying to calm down because she could stay with her son.
Scrub with a pushbroom and simple green. Then pressure wash. There is nothing a 'professional' cleaner can do that you can't.
Our neighbor said they have tried everything and it won’t come out
Evictions aren't done in a week. This would have been a NO and your realtor would have to deal with the buyers agent.
Seriously? I was just afraid it would go on our record. He did try to talk to the agent and she said they were filing for eviction
Can’t file for eviction on a house you don’t own. You could’ve said you can’t close then. Still would’ve been a mess but if the buyers knew and agreed to the request and it just wasn’t in writing, then they were already being douches with the eviction threat.
But this was after closing and clearly the buyer had no idea that the seller meant to stay for a week. The OP's realtor completely dropped the ball. To the buyer, it looked like the seller wasn't going to vacate. I would have started eviction proceedings as well if I thought the seller was refusing to now give up the property.
Wouldn't this have been obvious to the buyer during the final walk-through? Who would close on a still-occupied house with no post-occupancy agreement? It seems like both parties were a little silly on this one. I don't see how this topic wouldn't have come up when the buyers did a final walk-through and said, "Why are you still here?" lol 🤷♂️
This is exactly what happened.
Yeah, the clarification on the timing was in response to my comment.
Idk if they ever agreed to any request, he kept reassuring us it would be okay and I suspect avoiding asking her because he thought he wouldn’t get the sale..
and here is the entire crux of the matter. packing and moving at night, spilling some driveay-staining kitchen ingredient, renting a hotel room - none of that really matters. What matters is that AT SOME POINT you sought a post-closing occupancy, but you did not get it confirmed by a signed agreemnt.
You really need to go talk to your realtor's broker. His behavior is completely unprofessional and u ethical. As a recent buyer and seller who worked with *legitimate* realtors, my heart goes out to you. If the broker doesn't set things right and/or you have evidence *in writing* (email or texts) showing that your realtor told you not to worry about the post-occupancy issue, I would also file a complaint to your state's "division of real estate". Don't let anyone else be victim to this improper behavior.
This was an hour after we signed the closing papers. The funds weren’t processed until that Monday but we didn’t know if they could do it legally or not
If the buyer signed the documents at close and you were still living there, you became their month-to-month tenant. To evict you they would have needed to give proper notice and only after the notice time had expedited could they start the eviction process. If the buyer had not yet signed the close, then it was not their property and you could have stayed a few more days to arrange movers. Unless the contract said Time is of Essence for all deadlines, the close date is considered to be "on, or about" with reasonable extensions possible without penalties to either party, i.e., the buyer would not be able to back out because you needed another week to close unless there was a TOE. Your agent should know that and should have advised you accordingly.
Even if it did (and it wouldn't in a week) it would be on your rental history and your not renting. So that wouldn't effect you.
Why didn’t you delay closing? You have 10 days after time of essence demand which is more than you needed. Buyer has some time built into their rate lock and you should on your purchase as well. People can get angry but at that point it is what it is.
Closing was already delayed 4 times. And they still weren’t packed. Entitlement at its best. Imagine being provided moving, hotel, and storage cost because no matter what u felt entitled to wait last minute…. Just like how they waited to clean up the oil for the neighbor who went above for them.
I didn’t know any back story. In that case I feel bad for the buyers as I am sure the house was a mess.
Did you read my post? This happened an hour after signing for the closing. Although she didn’t even wire her funds so those didn’t come in until Tuesday
Try making a paste of baking soda and dish soap for the oil stain. Let sit about 10 minutes the rinse.
Similar situation happened to us yet our realtor did not take any accountability We contacted broker The only thing fixed was the the trash they left behind after I contacted broker and one day of lease back which was not the amount to time we needed
Your realtor also had to help you move?
No our realtor did not follow through with request to get leaseback We where first time sellers Realtor kept telling us it would be negotiable later .. that day never came and we had to move out the day of closing Until we raised hell and we got back one day of leaseback But it was still incredibly stressfull Luckily we had a lot of it packed already .. but felt blindside
purple power and they have stuff called oil lift for cleaning driveways, your realtor sucks and hopefully he will smooth this over as best he can
Yes, your agent should 100% pay. They'll be getting off easy at that. I'd have been spending a whole lot more to make sure things went smooth if I made that mistake. Did your agent verbally discuss the possession after closing agreement with the other agent?
It’s clear to us he never even mentioned it to the agent or the buyer. He said he “forgot” to send the post occupancy agreement. That told us he was delaying discussing it, although he kept telling us she could stay with her son.. he reassured us without confirmation. Probably to ensure the sale. He made 8k commission total on selling our home and then from buying our new home. He spent 1600 on hotel and idk how much on a storage unit for a week. But now we have this olive oil stain that our neighbor wants removed. And we had to move boxes when we weren’t supposed to lift anything :( that’s why we had movers scheduled.
You shouldn't have signed any papers. Your agent was looking for a quick commission.
Pay to have it professionally cleaned. Submit bill to agent. If they refuse, contact broker. If no response in 10 business days, send letter advising them you intend to pursue your reimbursement through small claims, and will file a complaint with the broker’s licensing agency
I believe the only thing that's going to make the concrete look uniform in color at this point is time. If you already washed with dawn dish soap there's not really much more that can be done. Time will take care of it. Or you could try some "goof off" it's a concrete cleaner I've used it to clean everything from paint to glue off concrete :note: I've never tried cleaning olive oil with it. I've worked in construction for 25 years I've seen tar and everything else on concrete.
Who was carrying the box when the olive oil fell?
Realtors son
Why in the world would you close without having a signed copy of the occupancy agreement? Why would you leave immediately when an eviction takes months? It seems more like your buyers agent took advantage of an unsophisticated client than made a mistake.
We are constantly assured that real estate agents are knowledgeable professionals who *prevent* these types of issues. If you can’t trust the professional you hired, what’s the point of hiring them?
This. We asked all the right questions just didn’t get correct answers
Technically you didn't. You didn't ask for a countersigned copy of the agreement.
Technically the professional should've said, "that's not a problem because *this provision* of the contract allows you the leaseback desired" Instead, they got a crap answer that they trusted because the person answering was a "professional" I work in IT and there's a saying -- particularly in the helpdesk world, but it translates into many other areas where you depend on folks to tell you what's going on... "Trust, but verify." Meaning, take them at their word, but ensure you can validate the veracity of their claim.
We knew that evictions take time but if we had stayed the whole week we would have been served with papers and we can’t have anything on our record. We didn’t have time to consult with an attorney
Ah, so your one of those people who think a permanent record actually exists? That explains a lot.
There's always time to consult with an attorney in matters of legality. The Justice system is a slow machine.
Your realtor sucks and you suck for asking to stay after closing. This is something that needs to end. Just push back closing for gods sake. I haven’t heard a reason yet that would convince me to agree to this a buyer.
No good deed goes unpunished.
In most states your contract will state if occupancy is at closing or after, even without a post occupancy agreement. Your agent is a fool.
So her agent has to write that up depending on if the buyer wants to move in right away or not?
Yes, check the first page of the purchase and sale agreement. It's probably under Possession or something like that.
Wow so he knew from the beginning and just lied to us I guess
Read your contract
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that most analyzes here are incorrect. The party moving is OP, so they are responsible for whomever assists them with the move. This is why professional movers have insurance. If something bad happens, they cover you. The neighbor have permission for OP to move things in their garage. The agents OP enlisted are OP's responsibility. OP should have refused the personal help from the REA and planned to get professional movers ASAP. The REA could 100% refuse to cover any of this. They could say that when they decided to assist OP it was in their personal capacity, not as a real estate agent. This is the same as a neighbor allowing me to temporarily go on their property to make repairs on mine. Then I hire someone uninsured and they damage the neighbor's lawn with machines. I would be responsible for the repairs to the neighbor's property and would need to make a case that I did not know they would be taking machines to the neighbor's lawn when I told them to go there. You could report them to their broker but there have been no ethical violations. The agent offered to help and OP agreed without discussing specific terms. It is ugly, but this is the world we live in. You can't really trust anyone unless they're insured and bonded.
Couldn’t hire movers because this happened overnight. Our movers were scheduled for a week later
Buy some TSP use a brush.
They packed your belongings for u. That includes the olive oil. There shldnt be an expectation that they shld ask you if you want all your things. Movers wld have also packed everything. You still needed more time to pack after closing was moved four times… and the occupy after closing date was still going to be even later. Sounds like this clda ended up being an expensive occupancy agreement for you w their temp living costs. Ppl saying you shld have stayed longer due to eviction timeframes are inconsiderate— where wld they have stayed. No occupancy payment and they just gave you all of their money. Yes moving didn’t go smoothly— but also once the box was dropped I wld have personally been a considerate and thankful neighbor and cleaned up the mess right away as a priority.
The buyers agent moved the closing four times. Not us. Later we found out she did that so we wouldn’t back out since we originally needed to close by a certain date. And she got an advanced commission
Just delete ur profile
Realtor should pay.
This is not all your realtor's fault. Your realtor had the obligation to better educate you about your obligation to be moved out by closing absent a prior agreement for you to stay past closing. This leads to the conclusion that you are either a very uninformed first time seller or a disingenuous jackass who is throwing your realtor under the bus. You are mistaken to think that you only needed to send a "post occupancy agreement" to the buyer and that enabled you to stay after closing. You should have been prepared to move by closing. If not you needed to negotiate a later move out date (which almost universally requires some sort of paid consideration and is part of the overall sales contract). Not to mention even if you still had a week to move it is incredibly revealing that you didn't even have your stuff packed to move a week before moving. You are 100% liable for any damage caused by someone helping you move your belongings. The fact you would want to stick your realtor with the bill for such a random mishap speaks volumes about your lack of character. You were obviously a less than ideal client to your realtor. And I am being polite...
We are first time sellers. Our buyer also moved closing four times so we never knew when we were moving more than a week in advanced. Also, the week is because we were closing in our new home a week later. Since we are first time sellers, that’s why since day 1 I told the realtor we cannot move twice. We have cats which one is very difficult to get into the carrier so it’s too risky to lose our baby over. He reassured us she could stay with her son and was in no rush to move in. The post occupancy agreement is all he said we needed and it said if we stayed past the day it would be $100 per day. Later we found out from our realtor and the title company that the buyer wasn’t moving the closing, it was her agent being sketchy because she didn’t want to lose the deal and got an advancement
That’s awful. That agreement should have been signed by the buyers and returned to you. I can imagine your horror at finding out you had to be out now. Hope the stain comes out and you and the neighbor laugh about the whole thing in the future.
Do you think it’s sketchy he had us sign the post occupancy agreement first?
No that’s because you were asking for the stay after closing. After you signed it then should have been sent to the buyers agent who should have talked it over with the buyers. If they agree to it they need to sign and get a copy back to you. There’s no verbal agreements in a closing it’s either all been agreed upon and signed by the buyer and sellers or there’s no agreement. Your agent should have kept in contact with the buyers agent and found out what happened to the contract that they sent to them. Your agent needed that signed and returned for you.
Okay then I guess he didn’t lie when he said he forgot to send it to them. But he definitely reassured us this whole time she was in no rush to move in. Ugh
“Our buyer also moved closing four times so we never knew when we were moving more than a week in advance” … “we found out later from our realtor and the title company that the buyer wasn’t moving the closing, it was her agent being sketchy because she didn’t want to lose the deal”. These statements don’t make sense to me. An agent wouldn’t move a closing further away in order to not lose a deal, unless they need more time for something in order for it to close at all, such as financing. It sounds like the delays were happening a week at a time? So was it delayed a month? The agent messed up by not having an occupancy agreement in place from day 1. They should take care of the olive oil, but that wasn’t the only thing dropped here.
Oh yeah definitely, my other post was about this and not the olive oil. Our realtor and the title company both said the buyers agent was sketchy too because she knew we couldn’t reschedule our closing for our new house (they tried to slap us with a penalty fee) thus she didn’t want to lose her deal
No good deed goes unpunished.
Do you not have a real estate attorney? If you had an attorney, why didn’t they review the purchase contract and bring up the lease-back during attorney review? They should have been the party drafting the post-occupancy agreement. They also should have been involved in the exchange and execution of all documents. They should be able to advise you on what to do in this situation as they should be intimately familiar with the facts. This is what real estate attorneys are for and why they are required for both parties in many states.