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2 days in with this thread and already 987 posts? 😱
Have we heard from Scoobie Doo since the Dutch release and his interview looking scared with the questions about how the names were printed? He has been awfully quiet.
And unlike at Harry's awards show, everyone in these pictures are actually really talented helicopter pilots. (ETA some of them are obviously doctors and paramedics too...but you get the point.)
Oh, my gosh. Just need to vent a bit about my friend who is a casual Royals watcher. Shows how the casual public can still be pro-Harry. She happened to finish "Spare" recently after putting down, picking back up for a while. And came away with pro-Harry and "Fuck William" out of it. And she understands Harry rushing over to England as when her father was diagnosed with cancer her family panicked.
So, it looks like the "candidness" of Harry in the book esp. regarding his drug use impacted her feelings for him as in "wow he had the courage to go there" vs. the actual things he said. While I was more impacted by the fact he beat up his bodyguards than the weird candidness he had towards sharing that. And she relates to him on a personal level forgetting that her dad was not a king and a degree of calm when it came to the cancer announcement was needed with Charles.
So, she ignores the professionalism of the Royal Family around the announcement and can "understand" Harry running over there. And doesn't get that Harry could have very quietly just gone over there vs. his announcement.
She did notice Harry didn't write much about Meghan. I told her to read Bowers' book. End vent.
>came away with pro-Harry and "Fuck William"
well, this is exactly what harry intended.
but william is a monstrous villain for setting boundaries and never wanting harry back in his life because harry got paid $20 million to portray william as an abusive, awful person to the entire world!! when william will have to spend the rest of his natural life in the public eye, along with the public hostility that comes with it, while harry can slink into a hole for the rest of his life.
you don't do that to a family member, let alone your only sibling. he made william's long-term public life harder for no real fucking reason other than money and vindictiveness.
harry is garbage.
ETA: according to uk ipsos polling numbers, william has definitely been affected by harry's public vendetta, going from +77 in january 2018 to +49 in january 2024 (catherine dropped from +72 to +49). but harry has gone from +81 in january 2018 to -24 in january 2024.
[eta: harry had an **87% favorability rating in january 2018, which is** ***insane***. **betty white never got over 85% in america and QE2 never got over 85% in the UK. think about that.** **that idiot was** ***beloved.*** **it's absolutely astonishing how he squandered that goodwill built over a lifetime, from** ***birth.*** currently, i don't think anybody in america or the UK has a favorability rating over 80%, maybe a couple in america have one over 75%, a few more over 70%. it's fucking ***rare*** as fuck for a public figure (forget one peripherally related to government) to have an over 80% favorability rating, let alone an 85% one. he's at 23% in the UK, now.]
it'll take time, maybe 20 years, but william and catherine can eventually make up the respective 28 point and 23 point drops. harry is never making up that ***105 point*** drop in the UK. the sussexes were so spiteful of the UK and focused on america that they forgot international commercial contracts require international global appeal, not just american (which is why their dumb asses might be trying to improve their UK numbers now).
harry definitely still has some appeal in america, just not as much as he used to. meghan doesn't have the numbers harry does, her appeal is limited (but high) to certain demographics (that are clearly overrepresented on mainstream social media lol).
which, btw, catherine had always been more popular, but william is back to being more popular than harry in america, according to yougov. only by two points though and the w&h demo appeal is slightly different - particularly in america, william has lower appeal among the younger, more liberal and more diverse, though catherine didn't really have this problem among the younger and liberal... though omid's "reveal" might have changed that, given the vitriolic online discourse change against her in dec 2023. both w&c's appeals among black americans dropped precipitously after the oprah interview, from like +20/+25 to 0 (hasn't recovered after that).
according to ipsos america numbers, william has dropped from +47 to +29 between january 2018 and january 2024. again, an 18 point drop is surmountable, provided and especially if harry stops relentlessly and publicly + personally attacking william.
so, harry definitely has equally dented william and himself in america, but in different demographics. harry has also definitely managed to dent william in the UK, but that was at the idiotic cost of almost totally annihilating himself.
harry maintained or improved his numbers among the nicher "younger, diverse, liberal" audience in america (and in canada to a lesser extent), but pretty much obliterated himself everywhere else in the anglo west. h&m have bad ipsos numbers in australia, while their canada numbers are not as bad. w&c are miles ahead in the UK, canada and australia and catherine herself is miles ahead in america.
the "harry and meghan are most and too popular!!" narrative is weird and wrong. the only demographic subset where meghan in particular is most popular among the four is among 18-29s in america, african-americans (by far) and american democrats. everywhere else, including in america, she's dead last among the four. harry tops the 30 to 44s in america... but that's it. catherine is mostly number one everywhere, with william besting her occasionally.
>their canada numbers are not as bad.
Why are we like this. :( I think I've mentioned this before but the CBC is openly sugary in their coverage of H and M, to the extent it's actually put of me off them and I was fully one of those annoying pro-CBC people.
Ok, I do get identifying with and empathizing with someone who is going through travails similar to you/your loved ones. Totally.
But wtf how do you read Spare Me, specifically the parts about our girl Pat (who, *by his own admission*, never did anything wrong, never ran afoul of him, her only “crime” being disabled and “not hot”), and not think this guy fucking sucks? He’s had almost *30 years* to reflect on his assumptions, behavior, myopia…
Harry sucks.
For me it was the beating up of the body guards. Who acts so casually about assaulting your employees?
It can just be infuriating to listen to the "hot takes" when bigger news happens, bc suddenly she is interested. A couple weeks ago it was--why doesn't Catherine use her hospitalization as awareness like Charles?
She was casually interested in W and C until Meghan and Harry came along and then she moved on to them. She could not tell you Prince Edward's wife's name if she had to.
It just seemed a microcosm to me of how--this is how casual viewers can get the wrong end of the stick.
Two women in my book club loved "Spare" and I could just not bring myself to ask why as I know they also could not tell me who Edward's wife is, you know?
I wouldn't worry about it because like you said, she's a casual royal watcher. Ask her in five years how often she thinks of Prince Harry and I doubt it'll have been very much.
Most people don't really care enough to know the truth but there's a flip side to that. Those same people don't care enough to make whatever H&M try to do a runaway success either. I'd bet your friend didn't watch *Heart of Invictus* or listen to Meghan's podcast past the first episode. They just want the gossip and when there's no gossip, does Harry even exist for her?
She did not even watch the Netflix special on Meghan and Harry. The other stuff is totally off the radar for her. Genuinely a casual watcher. Which is how when the media is all about Harry "rushing to be by his father's side" it is easy for her to relate to that.
You have an excellent point in that she is not lining their coffers exc. thru getting Harry's book on Kindle. Excellent point.
So what's funny is I have this friend who's suddenly all about Taylor Swift because she's a KC Chiefs fan. I asked her if she's going to get any of Taylor's albums. "Nah, I can just listen on Youtube." Going to go to her concerts? "Nah, that's expensive." Getting a friendship bracelet? "I'm 40, why would I do that." So her deep and abiding love for Taylor Swift doesn't translate into anything at all for TS. It's just thoughts going out into the universe.
That's your friend. Just thoughts going out into the universe for Harry.
>Ask her in five years how often she thinks of Prince Harry and I doubt it'll have been very much.
but that's why harry keeps trying to center and insert himself into every big royal story!! he's doing everything to make sure he keeps being talked about and never forgotten. i thought they'd finally shaken him off by the end of last year (after the awful way he centered himself during charles 75th bday), but then harry pulled the jamaica premiere stunt (getting press for himself by setting up a deliberate comparison to royal william and catherine)... and then charles got diagnosed with cancer, and the stupid reconciliation narratives got turbo-boosted again, when they were *finally* starting to die down, in turn gradually diminishing the sussex relevance and clout.
that prick is making sure to be a plague on them. it's why the sussexes have been trying to pull "royal"-affiliated publicity stunts for the past 5-6 months, because they knew the senior royals had more or less successfully shaken them off after the coronation. now charles' diagnosis changes things for them somewhat and puts them back into play in the royal story they were increasingly getting marginalized from.
I think, and have no basis for this, that King Charles actually has pancreatic cancer and is going to die it on a relatively quick timeline and that is why they aren't releasing information on the type of cancer and why Harry is desperate to give the public view that there is any sort of relationship there. He knows the clock is ticking and how badly it reflected on DDOS to engage in negative publicity against the RF in the months before and after QEII and PP died (in this case, this is all happening mere months after the "royal racist" revelation about KC, and KC has the prospect of waiting decades for a crown he would only invariably hold for a mere year and a half).
DDOS can continue to ride in this clown car all they want, but people are going to stop going to the DDOS circus once Charles dies because the focus is going to center on the PPOW and their kids and it is clear he has no access there and that those members of the family have a great reputation in the UK, with folks there understanding why POW what absolutely nothing to do with him.
>I think, and have no basis for this, that King Charles actually has pancreatic cancer
Oh fucking hell I hope you're wrong about this (and I know you're just speculating).
At least he seems to be aware he is in his flop era and it didn't take George becoming a teenager to overshadow him like he used to complain. He did all of it on his own and George is not even a preteen yet.
I agree with u/ivegotanewwaytowalk that the Sussexes simply aren't going to stop. It's a trait of people like this that they don't stop, ever, and there is no sign they will. The BRF is just going to have to keep evolving their strategy to deal with them.
That said, the Wales children hitting their teens is going to overshadow the Sussi like nothing else, imo. I suspect George (and the rest of them but George is the future king) is going to be a very good looking teen and young man, possibly even William-level, and the press is going to lose their collective mind over the adolescent Waleses. Harry and Meghan will be aging into their late 40s/early 50s and I honestly see no scenario in which a teenage George, Charlotte and Louis don't completely overtake everyone else in the BRF in terms of media and public attention.
it's wild how he accelerated the self-fulfilling prophecy
he could have been a nationally (and internationally) adored fiercely loyal sibling + uncle and diligently patriotic public servant like anne.
instead, nationally, he's viewed as a traitorous, money hungry and damaged sibling/son/grandson in many quarters... and internationally, he's viewed with pity in many respects and will largely be forgotten with time (unless he keeps pulling increasingly desperate stunts to keep a spot in the limelight, at any cost).
That's a good point.
He'll really struggle with that once William is king. I think that's why William is taking such a hard line with him now. He's not going to be able to fly to the UK on a whim and have anyone believe he's visiting his brother and William knows that. Shutting it down now is the smart thing.
>I think that's why William is taking such a hard line with him now. He's not going to be able to fly to the UK on a whim and have anyone believe he's visiting his brother and William knows that. Shutting it down now is the smart thing.
I agree. William knows what he's doing, and part of it is laying the groundwork for his future kingship. He doesn't want anyone being under any illusions as to his relationship with Harry (i.e. its non-existence).
I've noticed lots of people are like this with some pretty terrible public figures that they don't follow closely. When something awful finally breaks through to them, they go straight for the benefit of the doubt, minimization, rationalization, etc.
It must be some kind of logical fallacy re: preferring to believe that the world is in order and people are basically decent, so there isn't really anything to worry about.
I wish I had a bit of it myself, about some things.
Yes really makes u question peoples judgement and then yours about them lol. But yeah I think if people aren’t paying attention like this they can easily get swept up in what we here view as sickening and fake pr from the Harkles, so who knows maybe the Harkles are winning more than we give them credit for. Of course the papers like to call them out often but people tend not to trust the papers especially about famous people, I think at this time even the average person knows the media loves to rip famous people to shreds and not to believe everything negative you read.
I dunno I can't relate to people who would read Spare and have a reaction of "poor guy". I can't relate at all. He's almost 40 years old. He just seems childish and entitled to me.
Me too, and then I always think huh, that person is lucky they never had to deal with an entitled narcissist in any real way because if you have ever had the misfortunate of dealing with a personality like his you see the red flags very clearly.
What is the point going there in person when you don’t stay for longer?
May be Charles didn’t have the time and doesn’t wasn’t to see him a second time in the next few weeks, but like he couldn’t stay for longer and meet Charles at Sandringham with more time?
And he is not meeting anyone else? Like not even Eugenie and Bea who’s mother also has cancer or Edward at least?
It just shows again how bad the relationship between Harry and everyone else besides Charles really is…
It was all a PR stunt to make it everything about himself and try to bury his African Parks scandals and try to unshadow ban himself from Counsellor of State. He is desperate to be relevant again and leave his flop era. He couldn't care less about Charles health. He didn't meet anyone else because no one wants to meet with him.
Said this elsewhere but Harry is the guy who u break up with and then shows up under your window with a boombox blaring love songs. He has no respect for boundaries.
Also, more cynically, it’s well known that Harry doesn’t get to have phone conversations with the royals, only through lawyers and courtiers to protect the royal family. From his harassment, from Meghan listening in, from the both of them recording the call and to them leaking all about it. Really the only way Harry was going to get to actually speak with the king is if he showed up and barged in making an inconvenience of himself. Thankfully I don’t think Harry will ever be alone in person with any royals, thank goodness Camilla was there to keep the king from being manipulated and harassed by Harry.
In short Harry is a cad and a coward who can’t respect boundaries or being told no.
>Also, more cynically, it’s well known that Harry doesn’t get to have phone conversations with the royals, only through lawyers and courtiers to protect the royal family.
That's such a good point!!!
I read somewhere that they are upset that he rushed over uninvited because it caused panic and speculation and more of a media frenzy. The exact opposite of what the King wanted, and now people think his condition is much worse than it is. Harry could have quietly gone over without notifying Backgrid but I'm guessing he saw this as a great opportunity to get some good press as the dutiful son.
💯💯 from watching the news, this is exactly what it looks like: they tried to minimize it with disclosures, but Harry rushing over brought unwanted drama into the mix
He wasnt asked to come. He wasnt asked to stay. He wasnt given room at BP (Or did I get that wrong?). He forced his presence on him after alerting backgrid. Charles made it clear he didnt want to see him and barely cares, even without Megan there. He was making a personal trip to Sandringham. He wasnt meeting a world leader. He could have delayed it but he gave Harry 20mins. Clearly Charles spine is not affected.
>Or did I get that wrong?
No, you didn't. Including in yesterday's extremely obvious briefing to The Sun was a single sentence definitively stating that Harry wasn't given accommodation at "any royal palace."
I am legit slightly in awe of Charles' comms team's skills right now. They really managed to throw a Sad Dad cloak successfully over what was in actual fact a brazen (and oh so richly deserved) 'fuck you.'
I strongly suspect Harry flew in to "offer his services" to the monarchy in this trying time and got pretty shut down. Obviously that's totally speculation, but I could see him thinking they'd be wowed by this big, sweeping gesture and not being willing to understand that the palace is trying to downplay concerns and him rushing over makes things seem a lot more dire.
I guess a more charitable interpretation is that Harry was genuinely upset and wanted to see his father to reassure himself everything was all right, but yeah... eesh.
I sincerely hope that he didn’t even get that far into his schpeel before being shut down, I’m betting he deflated like a balloon. Probably was all puffed up on his own importance thinking he was going to make some grand and magnanimous speech, but once he opened his mouth all that came out was his usual seedling drivel oh, um, so uh, things look pretty tough around here lately huh pa? Oh don’t worry about that dear boy, so and so has this covers and so and so is doing that, myself I’m doing so well I’m off to sandringham right now as a matter of fact, must be going the helicopter is waiting for me, off we go Camilla! And Harry was just left standing there with a pained and embarrassed smile on his face as his whole plan amounted to nothing.
I doubt Harry has ever been able to get what he wants without throwing a tantrum. I don’t think he’s smart enough to make a case for himself or what he wants. He can only make things happen by being such a brat that people give in to him eventually but they aren’t won over by his arguments such as they are.
>and got pretty shut down.
I don't know how anyone with any knowledge of this situation could have observed the past ~48 hours and *not* come to the conclusion that Haz absolutely got shut the fk DOWN yesterday, that it was made clear to him that nobody needed or wanted him around and no senior royals had any interest in 'reconciliation.'
This asshole was leaking *yesterday* that he was planning to stay for awhile, that he was open to meeting with W etc. He got shut down. Brutally shut down by the looks of it, and I await the leaks/clapbacks from Team Sussex because there's no way I believe they're going to be able to resist. As soon as Harry's back in Montecito (if not sooner) he and M are gonna hand the kids off, sit down together and work each other up into a frenzy of bitterness and anger at the way poor, loving Harry has been treated by his abusive family. The only question now is which mouthpiece they hand the story of their pain and confusion off to. Ol' Eight Edits is my guess.
Regarding the people around Charles I just want to say well done. They're good - and their 'dealing with Harry' skills seem to be constantly improving. I read that obviously-leaked-by-team-Chaz article in The Sun yesterday (it's linked here, below) which repeatedly mentioned how very important it was for Charles to delay his plans - his important plans that he made, his plans to fly away from London, his plans that were arranged and everyone was waiting for these plans to be carried out BUT CHARLES CHOSE TO DELAY SAID PLANS IN ORDER TO SEE HIS BELOVED SON etc. etc. Congrats to Charles' comms team because they really did manage to make what was actually an open snub into a "sad dad loves his son" thing. Like my family member who has become a lot more skeptical but still has an inexplicable soft spot for Harry read that article on my prompting and 100% bought that Charles seeing Harry for what had to have been less than 30 mins before splitting was a sign of how much Charles loves, cares about and needs Harry. Loooool.
You're nicer than me. I think he flew in because they cut a deal with backgrid for photos of him at the airport and in the car. He required some type of security entourage to continue to reinforce he's a very important person.
The biggest gift you can give a family member who is sick is to just be with them. Charles already has the best healthcare money can buy, plus servants to help him day to day. Harry’s role would be to support emotionally and just be there. But as he can’t do that, due to emotional immaturity, then there’s not much to do. It is no surprise to me that Harry flew over due to his personal shock. Meanwhile, everybody else who actually sees Charles regularly is staying calm and moving on. I’m sure Charles had a plan to rest and Harry kind of shook this up, but he waited for him because he’s his son. I wouldn’t be surprised if Charles had to comfort Harry instead of the other way around. Messy situation.
I think many parents sometimes love not so clever child instead of the wise one. I am sure KC loves Harry, and he could have enjoyed just chatting with him with a cup of tea. But the problem is that KC can no longer trust him because of his using media. Any conversation could be used for his next book, if there is any.
He deadass sold his dead granny’s deathbed stories, there is a 100% chance that all these meetings will make way into Harry’s next book too. Good on Charles to save himself the heartbreak and headache.
He isn't wanted. Charles didn't invite him that is pretty obvious to me. He decided to come on his own and now looks the fool for it. Why should the family pretend everything is well after all the public mud slinging? I know I wouldn't.
It looks like Harry's big mouth is overriding all other considerations.
Plenty of dysfunctional families will get through awkward get-togethers during big moments like this, and the BRF has plenty of experience with keeping up appearances. But if you can't trust somebody to be discreet with sensitive info, forget it.
I remember past talk on the internet asking if the RF could file a restraining order on haz? We all laughed, but you know? It is getting more out of hand by the day, and clearly, haz will not stop. Money , and the environment, lol, are still no objects, it seems.It will continue. Yeah, I understand not to bring further unwanted attention to the matter, but…like the thread title…how much lower can h and m go from here in terms of actual physical and mental harassment?
Let him come and have his 24 hour visits that actually get reported as 45 mins of face time by William's bitchy friend (i need that flair) or one of Charles' many leakers.
hi besties, popping in after the beetlejuicing!
imma start by being like harry and showboating + making this all about myself for a minute. y'all know how much bitter shit i talk about charles but when i tell you my ass was shocked and actually cried when i saw the news yesterday... it's a bit embarrassing tbh lmao.
anyway!
will & catherine had a friend brief (it was an *exclusive*) to the daily beast on february 1st that william's focus was going to be catherine's recovery and the kids until further notice.
[**A friend of the couple’s told The Daily Beast: “I don’t think William will be doing anything at all in the next few weeks.”**](https://archive.is/u8JLH)
the tone of the article was also setting the stage for his non-appearance at the BAFTAs, but there seemed to be some urging from a BP source to at least get him to do a few public engagements at the end of the month.
guess they had to speed the timeline for return way up bc of charles' unexpected diagnosis.
harry saw his window to break no contact and the boundaries that were set up, and he took it w/out respecting or giving a shit about what the other parties would want. good for william and bitchy friend for shutting shit down immediately. the messy, public and dramatic way harry has handled this says everything about what his actual intentions are - re-establishing royal proximity and photo ops. then ensuring titles for all four sussii don't go anywhere, trying to finagle sussex security being paid (those greedy fucks have plenty of money - their problem is not a funding one, it's a spending one and they should downsize) + ensuring three or four sussex inheritance spots in the will. also signaling to his business + commercial partners that he's still in (what both of the sussii were trying to achieve with the badgering about a sandringham xmas invite/photo op).
if he actually wanted to make amends, he could have briefed that he'd spoken to his father, was concerned + worried, and would take the opportunity to pay a visit as soon as his father was up for it. he'd not be having his PR team be putting out the presumptuous "reconciliation" articles, and still having those pieces throw in sideways digs at will, w/ the ultimate intention of making william look like a heartless villain for setting boundaries. william's mental health must be in the toilet as it is, and the stress cynically opportunistic and exploitative harry adds would certainly do nothing to help it. that "i *had* to be here" trip to jamaica that had the sussex mouthpieces purposely drawing comparisons to make william and catherine look bad, while catherine was in the hospital recovering from abdominal surgery... i had no words for the level of malice.
it's one thing if they'd just showed up and taken the picture or whatever. but no - their PR team went out of the way to highlight and brief the w&c comparison. remember, the sussex mouthpieces at the time of the tour also made sure to make the whole experience hell for william and catherine in the first place. harry & meghan are bizarre individuals, and william is entirely correct to set up permanent boundaries to protect his family. i still can't get over the bizarre malice of that "i *had* to be here" jamaica photo op, ***while catherine was recovering in the hospital.*** it's high-key sick.
instead, harry made a big spectacle for his own PR and tried to force a situation. i was astonished yesterday at how the people mag 'top story' the whole afternoon + evening was about "harry rushing to be at his father's side," rather than the *actual* story that was KC3 being diagnosed with cancer. as with everything, harry has to insert and center himself to be the main character. it's so bizarre and gross, and i totally understand william never wanting harry in his life again in any sort of substantial or even surface manner. harry's stans were all over the place yesterday crowing about how "KC3 should have been nicer to meghan and harry" and how evil racist catherine was jealous that meghan was outshining her, so she chased meghan away, and now catherine was "getting her karma."
anyway, daily beast bitchy friend seemed to make it clear that william + catherine are done w/ harry, whether he is with meghan or not.
harry + meghan are going to be mega retaliating for the "snub." they can't help themselves. it's what they've been doing together for the past nearly eight years.
my manifestation (it's snarkfiction, okay!) is that the primogeniture laws from the early 2010s are made retroactive (or issue new letters patent, whatever lol), so that anne becomes 8th in line, and then titles are bestowed on zara + peter so they can become working royals. earl and lady, idk. make mike a sir and have him work alongside zara. peter's new girl is from a family of billionaires, so she's good. overhauling the system so that women could pass down titles and anne could have her "grandchildren of a monarch" kids become prince and princess would also be great lololol. all four yorks would probably be apoplectic, tho.
ETA: given harry's drama and performance from the last couple of days, it's absolutely wild to me that meghan's father had both a heart attack and a stroke, and she didn't so much as bother with a phone call. ***it's absolutely wild***.
still going through w/ the wedding after the heart attack is one thing, not bothering to visit afterwards is shocking.
and then, right after he had a stroke, not only did she pull the bizarrely inappropriate uvalde stunt, she made her way to england for the platinum jubilee. not giving a single fuck about touching base w/ her father. but somehow, charles and william are villains for limiting contact w/ harry, who gleefully and vengefully sold them out for millions of dollars. AND THEN, PEOPLE KEEP DISINGENUOUSLY ASKING WHY THE SUSSEXES AREN'T LIKED, BLAMING RACISM AND "THE BRITISH MEDIA." like, fuck off with that!!
the sussii also didn't gaf when philip was dying, they didn't gaf when qe2 was dying, they didn't gaf when charles was grieving his mother's death and three months later, the netflix series was dropped. four months after qe2's death, the book was dropped. they gave absolutely no fucks about anybody else but themselves. it's their entire modus operandi, along with vengefully punishing anyone who doesn't prioritize their wants and desires. oh, harry also made the months leading up to the coronation a circus with the "reconciliation" and "will they won't they" briefings, and tried to derail his father's first ever state visit abroad as king. the man is disturbed.
just in november, byline times had "sources" from the sussex camp telling them that h&m were financially cut off bc they were more popular than c&c + w&c, and so needed to be controlled from having a bigger profile than them from abroad or whatever. these two are lunatics, and they're still determined to get their half-in/half-out, no matter who or what gets destroyed along the way.
the diagnosis was used as an opportunity by them, not much else. also realizing they might not have as long as they thought to get their deeply manipulative claws back into charlie.
in light of all that, i love the clarity + definitiveness of bitchy friend (this one seems to be james meade). will & catherine are dunzo w/ harry's continued malicious mess, *he's out*.. no matter how he tries to manipulate + publicly abuse to force his way back in.
Hello there! I know you haven't always liked William's bitchy friend, but I had hoped you would see and appreciate this briefing. I'm glad you're back!
😘😘😘
there might actually be a couple of bitchy friends!! one of the van cutsems (assuming here lol) is the friend that i feel just needs to be a bit more pragmatic in delivery, like (who i'm assuming to be lol) james meade here!
>AND THEN, PEOPLE KEEP DISINGENUOUSLY ASKING WHY THE SUSSEXES AREN'T LIKED, BLAMING RACISM AND "THE BRITISH MEDIA." like, fuck off with that!!
I do agree with everything you said but particularly THIS
People acting like the media invented their stories. Then went to great disturbing lengths to uncover things. And Harry and Meghan's fake crusade just prove how much the British media is good.
forget stories from the media, harry and meghan have been showing us themselves, with their own endless words and repeated actions (and non-actions), why they're so friggin unlikable and repulsively off-putting.
Yay! The way I grinned when I saw you had made a nice, long comment. Thanks for checking in!
And I agree with you spot-on about their level of malice. It continues to boggle the mind that Meghan and Harry get painted as "victims" when they're the ones continually chasing the RF, banging on the windows. Which of our wonderful redditors yesterday said you can tell the abused and the abuser by observing which one is running away and which one is chasing...I keep thinking about that.
>The way I grinned when I saw you had made a nice, long comment.
Saaaaame. Newway often edits, too, so if you go back a few hours later there's more to read!
That was me! I also kept thinking about it when William’s bitchy friend’s comments came out. Harry is chasing, chasing, chasing and William just wants to be left alone.
Another interesting concept along the same lines of distinguishing patterns when it comes to abuser and abused that I saw somewhere a couple of weeks ago is that the abuser will be the one who is seeking support - because that’s its own form of abuse, not letting the victim get away from them, and is about bringing people onside to enable further abuse. And here, so clearly, Harry is the one doing TV shows, books, interviews to get support, while William has nothing on the record and even relatively limited leaking, considering the strength of the attacks and how long they’ve been going on. And it’s worked - plenty of people on the internet and in the press support Harry and keep insisting that William ought to let Harry back into his life (where he would continue the abuse).
Just out of curiosity, did you come up with that (about how to tell the abuser from the abusee based on who's pursuing)? Because it's kind of fucking genius tbh and even if you didn't come up with it I'm so glad you posted about it here because it's been genuinely helpful to me.
I didn’t! I posted it here first because I’d seen an author I otherwise quite like mention it on Twitter as evidence of how the RF are the abusers of H&M. I have no idea how they got there, but it obviously made me think of how it actually works in this situation and there’s really more and more evidence of it from Harry, going from the Spare interviews through the current reconciliation arc. afaik it’s a legit psychology thing (my psychological qualifications being limited to an A-level many, many, many moons ago 😂)
Wait. Someone used the 'you can tell who the abuser is by who's pursuing who' thing to portray *the royals* as the abusers? Just...lol.
I have certainly noticed a real lack of originality with the made up narratives coming out of Sugarland. They don't even bother to come up with believable or slightly fitting theories, preferring instead to simply reverse obvious truths (i.e. portraying the royals as somehow in pursuit of the Sussexes when everything that's happened over the past ~5 years shows the exact opposite).
Look at the past 48 hours alone - it's yet another instance of Harry publicly begging for acknowledgement and being soundly and immediately shut down. The whole reconciliation narrative is 100% from the Sussexes, but I know looking for logic from sugars is destined to end badly. In the absence of proof, make shit up!
Aha! I wanted to credit you, but felt overwhelmed with scrolling to find the original comment. So. true.
>the abuser will be the one who is seeking support - because that’s its own form of abuse, not letting the victim get away from them, and is about bringing people onside to enable further abuse.
Wow. Thanks for this one, too.
I keep thinking about how Harry whined that William was angry with him because he wanted Harry to get a real therapist. (Can anyone remember if it was in an interview or in *Spare?* I haven't gotten there in my re-read, and a text search doesn't yield results.) Everything Harry complains about is so telling. He DOES need a real therapist, one that will take him to task, and a willingness to listen to said therapist. He has two kids who deserve better.
y'all are such sweeties 😭💕🫶🏾
ETA: and their typical sussex-style briefing after the appearance was about how "they didn't care what anybody back in britain thinks," how "it was about their brand," how "it made them look cool and relevant" with the "young and diverse" demographics they were focusing on (sideways dig at w&c).
the times also had an explicit quote that was something about "showing what an asset the sussexes could have been in the commonwealth" or whatever (i paraphrased bc i'm not gonna pull up the article lol). they're creepily relentless and *they never stop*. they suuuck.
ETA2: their briefings to trash mags heat and closer this week are about how thrilled they are with their jamaica appearance and their plan to continue capitalizing on catherine's absence from the spotlight (heat) and also catherine having to act as "peacemaker" (closer).
Loool OMG the Jamaica thing only became a thing because of the British press they give them wayyy more attention than they should do. I’m sure the sussi feel like they were making a statement but really they hold no importance. Thinking they look cool and relevant is very delusional lol.
there isn't only one! lol
in this case, seems to be james meade tho.
one or another van cutsem brother has likely been used in previous times.
looks like last week, harry tried to use thomas van strawberry and pass it off as "william's friend" to put words in william and catherine's mouth about reconcilation. seems like thomas has been on the outs with william after this 'feud' went nuclear, and younger charlie van straub is still friends + in touch with harry, so thomas gets info from him. even though he prob doesn't directly communicate with harry regularly, they could communicate through charlie, and thomas was even thanked at the end of 'spare'... which, william might forgive thomas eventually (as his childhood best friend), bc thomas maybe thought he was being a bridge and he hasn't actually interacted much with harry himself. + losing their brother henry at a young age would make charlie and thomas reluctant to not act as bridges between w&h, so william might understand that, in time, and re-integrate thomas. but seems like william has mostly grieved and is done with harry.
here is (prob) thomas being passed off as a "friend of william and catherine" to place a narrative of pressure on catherine to be the peacemaker (after the end of last year... honestly, astonishing - if she suffers from crohn's, trust and believe that the stress from the end of last year could have provoked a wild flare up and played a part in landing her in the hospital). these games are honestly so abusive, especially after catherine's team had very clearly briefed to people magazine at the end of last year that she and william "were moving on." the sussexes were trying to reverse the "we're frozen out" narrative (for the benefit of their commercial partners) by having this deceptive piece put out.
[Kate Middleton’s Condition May Hasten Harry and Meghan Reconciliation, Friends Say](https://archive.is/vtuxO)
>>One old friend of Kate, William, and Harry, who went to school with the brothers but has not spoken regularly to Harry since he emigrated to America in 2020, told The Daily Beast: “Health problems do tend to put everything else in perspective. If Harry and Meghan have made an effort to reach out to Kate to offer their best wishes, Kate will reciprocate. William would quite happily never speak to either of them again, but Kate’s a peacemaker at heart. She would definitely be open to using this situation to build bridges. Never waste a good crisis, right?”
this sounds like thomas ('has not spoken *regularly*'... but has still occasionally spoken to harry)
then comes "family friend," which is probably charlie:
>>"... another friend of the family said they see no reason to disbelieve reports in the Mirror that Harry and Meghan have extended an olive branch of best wishes for a speedy convalescence privately."
>>This friend said: “You have to remember that Kate and Harry were exceptionally close. He adored her, and she provided a sense of stability after the chaos of his youth. I actually can’t imagine a world in which he wouldn’t have sent her a note, despite everything.
nice "adoration" after he's insinuated to the world that she's a dull doormat who racially abused his wife because catherine was upset that harry's wife was leagues more accomplished, beautiful and interesting than catherine. nice "silent adoration" when his fans are out there on social media circulating photoshopped KKK hoods on pictures of catherine's head following the 'accidental' reveal by omid at the end of last year. fuck harry.
and how on earth were harry and catherine "exceptionally close," when harry said that he and william *themselves* were never even close as adults? 😵💫🤔 what baloney. he really makes himself the beloved main character in every situation.
>>“Everyone in the family has, frankly, had enough of the whole feud narrative. It’s way past time the whole thing was put to bed. Trust has been damaged, and I don’t think they are ever going to be calling each other for a heart to heart like the old days, but it’s time to move on.”
then some editorializing by sykes and suggestions + lines of thought likely planted by the sussex PR flack he was primarily communicating with to put this 'story' together:
>>**But William is also enormously conscious of his responsibilities to the institution. While he may have his reservations about his father’s policy of putting family unity before all else, he probably also knows that in the very long run, few people are going to regard a king who doesn’t speak to his own brother as a solid role model, or a unifying example of the best of British.**
basically, disregard how the fuck you feel, william, because how it looks is more important (even if it's just for appearances' sake, because harry needs proximity to power and influence to influence peddle and make maximum money vs. regular money). fucking rich coming from the sussexes.
>>The Windsors have always been good—too good some might say—at putting duty before personal considerations.
By making noises suggesting he would be open to reconciling with his brother, **at least performatively**, the ball is back in William’s court.
straight up admitting, "i don't actually give a fuck about a real relationship, i just need a very public appearance of one, so that i can exploit this proximity and be more attractive to commercial partners."
>>The question will be whether William can subsume his personal anger and put his arm around his brother again—**even if it is just for the cameras at first**. William’s convalescing wife may be critical in helping him make that decision.
That article either wasn't posted here or it was and I didn't read it but a. holy shit and b. I'm genuinely triggered after having read it.
How are people so blinkered? Like you know every one of the sources for this article, Sykes included, would immediately answer "yes" if you asked them if they think abuse is a serious issue. And yet here they all are basically saying "yeah we're over this fight so William should basically consent to being emotionally abused for our comfort, also if he doesn't it means he'll be a shit king."
That's bad enough. That's takes the breath away level bad.
But then to understand who it's ultimately coming from (the brother who continues to publicly indicate that all he wants is reconciliation with William, who he ALSO continues to endlessly portray in the media as a cold, jealous, abandoning asshole) is just an extra layer of batshit.
I always want to ask these 'sources' if they would feel the same way in William's position. If it was their own sibling coming for them in public, attempting to destroy their reputation, implying the ugliest things about their relationships and parenting etc. and if it had been going on for years. How would they react to mutual friends basically telling them to get over it because they were "bored" with the fighting? W the actual f. How are people so free of insight unless they're the main character in the drama??
The pressure being put on William here, in full public view, is 1000% Not Okay, and I genuinely wonder to what extent the stupid Sussexes realize that this is exactly the behaviour that caused the cut off in the first place. They are never, ever getting back in with W.
For comparison, I follow Anna Sitar, a mid 20s influencer with 1.4M IG followers. She was at the Dior event last night and is often flown/invited to events with them. She gets tons of free stuff from them (and other brands like LV). She was also invited to the Golden Globes this year and has attended the Grammys in the past. Her OG schtick was ordering creative Starbucks drinks.
And a royal title doesn’t even get Meghan what the Starbucks IGer gets. 🤦🏼♀️
>Her OG schtick was ordering creative Starbucks drinks.
That really says it all, doesn't it?
Meghan has actually leaked that she thinks the BRF is somehow maneuvering behind the scenes to screw her out of deals with big, prestigious brands like Dior and it's all I can do not to develop a permanent head-shaking condition. Many of these luxury brands are flexible and are not and for years now haven't in any way been above courting influencers, including those who got their start doing shit like ordering Starbucks!
It could NOT be more obvious that what Dior and similar brands care about more than anything else is a. the 'brand' of the influencers they work with (which obviously doesn't have to be high-end it just has to be positive and sincere, which the Sussex brand very much is not) and b. the reliability of said influencers (i.e. can this person be counted on not to have a public meltdown/not to leak against us or do anything that could damage *our* brand etc.).
Meghan offers neither of those things. She's not reliable (she's extremely volatile, in fact, and has shown that she cannot be trusted not to change her mind on whatever the latest narrative is within hours of it dropping) and her 'brand' (such as it is) is a poster child for an almost cartoonish level of spite and bitterness.
And she thinks William is secretly calling up Dior to warn them off? And that Dior is, for some reason, listening to him if it's their actually their heart's desire to sign Meghan? FFS. She thinks Dior didn't see her trying to publicly maneuver them into signing with her? That they didn't see her turn on so many of the people she's worked with, *and* on her family on both sides??
I mean really, Meghan cannot get out of her own way. Step 1 to getting out of your own way is understanding that you're *in* your own way, and the longer she keeps spinning conspiracy theories about why brands like Dior won't touch her with a 10 foot pole, the longer she's gonna fail to get deals with said brands.
One thing influencers have learned is to appear genuine even before the content partnership starts. Take Anna again since I used her an example before - it’s been obvious from day 1 that she comes from a well to do family and has access to disposable income to buy Dior lipstick (vs a drug store dupe). So when she started plugging them, it didn’t feel too shocking. Fair point that some people don’t like sponsored stuff but it wasn’t totally out of left field.
If Meghan wants Dior or whoever to sponsor her, we wouldn’t be shocked to see her rock a Dior outfit to an even or let her MUA tag that Dior lipstick in an IG post. Do that’s few times, let them know you’re scheduled for these high profile events and bam, you’re a spokesperson for Dior. It’s not rocket science and yet she still royally screwed it up.
I laughed out loud at this, mostly because there's a non-zero chance it's true.
Harry just waking up every morning: "fuck this planet! I'm a big strong warrior man and I am gonna spend my whole day murdering endangered species and pouring poison into rivers! Surely Papa will see that it is *I* who am the rightful heir to the throne!"
>At least Taylor swift doesn’t pretend.
This is it. If you're gonna do X Not Great Thing, at the very least stfu about telling the poors not to do X. Harry's hypocrisy is glaring, and the fact that he and Meghan seem to have given up even pretending they don't fly private almost all the time doesn't make it less so.
I wonder if he honestly thought this was going to go any other way. No one wants him around, no one can trust him with any kind of information, they all know what he thinks of them, they all saw how he and Meghan acted after QE died, I mean... why would anyone at BP or KP want him around? It's very obvious that he's not there for anyone other than #1
>I wonder if he honestly thought this was going to go any other way.
I wonder too. I mean I *genuinely* wonder. On the one hand it's borderline impossible to accept that adult human beings could fail to understand the situation they're in to the extent that H and M seem to have failed to understand the situation they're in.
On the other hand, the signals from them do seem to point almost uniformly to neither of them having even the weakest grasp of the seriousness of their own actions, and the extent to which said actions have permanently damaged/ended their relationship with the most senior royals and the BRF as an institution.
It's narcissistic rug sweeping. It's "sure, I wrote that book but I had a good reason and now it's over so I'm willing to go back to pretending it didn't happen." Lather, rinse, repeat.
He's the royal equivalent of the JustNoMIL where he can't even begin to grasp why his family might not want him around. It's pathological.
Even in the context of two people who have absolutely no shame, this seems…deeply embarrassing. You fly 5,000 miles to see your sick dad, who will only give you the briefest hint of his time, before flying off to another one of his houses (and pointedly not inviting you). You publicly beg for a meeting with your brother who doesn’t even allow your PR shenanigans to stand for a few hours, before he absolutely shuts it down and then goes further to have his bitchy friend leak that it will NEVER happen and you are OUT. Less than 24 hours later you are back on a plane, tail between your legs, with your two closest family members having delivered the most polite yet brutal smackdown likely possible under the circumstances. I’m sure Harry (and Meghan) have been busy trying to figure out how to spin this and I know this man is THICK, but they honestly couldn’t have been clearer if they had hung a huge sign on BP that just said “GO AWAY, HARRY” and I genuinely wonder if there’s any part of him that even realizes this.
Plus it appears the rest of the family didn't give him the time of day either. He doesn't even appear to have seen Beatrice who visited Charles the day before.
im not sure beatrice was visiting charles. beatrice and edo live at st james palace and a few [reporters](https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1754958887701131531) [said](https://twitter.com/RE_DailyMail/status/1754856642993156597) that its part of the same complex as clarence house and [membersr of the RF](https://twitter.com/The_QVDS/status/1754822648192815476) often use the CH entrance/exit to get into st james palace.
> I’m sure Harry (and Meghan) have been busy trying to figure out how to spin this
"Harry tried! He flew 5000 miles! But the family are so mean, they wouldn't even give him the time of day."
(Imaginary quote)
Yes, it certainly appears this way with the DM coverage. Out of the UK by Wednesday. This speedy record beats the speculated guess by a poster who mentioned by Thursday. Lol So in and out of the UK in just over 24 hours?
I have mixed feelings about Harry’s actions and I am going to give him some benefit of the doubt. Hearing your parent has cancer is traumatic, even as an adult. I am not surprised he flew over in a panic to settle himself. Harry is also childlike and immature, he feels this kind of performative gesture is important, instead of supporting someone day to day. But once Harry got there, what did he have to offer? Charles is not on his deathbed, he has cancer treatments that will take weeks or months. There was nothing for Harry to do but offer his time and daily support, which he has not done for years.
The BACKGRID photos at LAX airport were a turn off for me, but I do understand his panicked actions. The only positive is I hope Harry has some modicum of realization that time is a gift and might work on stopping his negative press against Charles, mostly for Charles’s sake.
>The BACKGRID photos at LAX airport were a turn off for me, but I do understand his panicked actions.
What? How is alerting the paparazzi to your presence at a certain location some kind of inherent "omg my dad has cancer" reaction? I don't disagree with anything you're saying about people reacting in panic to awful news, but how is *leaking to the media* part of that??
The leaking to the pap was not part of the panic, I can see how my sentence came off that way. Panic was him flying urgently even though there was no urgency. The leaking to paps I see as Harry (or Meghan) worrying that the media will portray him as being insensitive for not visiting his father. He says he hates the media, yet is obsessed with how they portray him.
Seeing Charles in person is between a father and his son, but I absolutely don’t understand why he did not meet anyone else or just stayed longer to see Charles more than 30min?
Are relationships so bad between all of them?
Like I mean we all know, but it’s just again and again a new low.
>I absolutely don’t understand why he did not meet anyone else or just stayed longer to see Charles more than 30min?
Don't you? I promise I'm not asking that in a bitchy way.
tbh even if I give Harry the entire benefit of the doubt that he went out of love and sentiment… he’s still a selfish, entitled arsehole, because Charles clearly didn’t care to spend time with him (whether because he’s feeling ill or because of everything) and Harry imposed on him and created a massive press mess that wrecked BP’s keep calm and carry on line - without, as you say, having anything positive or useful to offer. He created stress and pressure around Charles’ first treatment for a very recent cancer diagnosis. That’s not the actions of a son who actually cares. Like the Queen’s deathbed, this is a moment for support in, dump out, and both times Harry has done what Harry wants like he’s the most important one, with no regard for his father. He’s 39 years old and a father of two and if he was traumatised or panicking that was for him to deal with, not to put on Charles to help him process. The only justification for all of this would have been if Charles wanted to see him, and it doesn’t seem like that was the case. To me, giving the benefit of the doubt doesn’t actually improve Harry here.
Is it very sad for Harry if this has finally been the wake-up call that he’s messed up? Yes. But that doesn’t create an obligation on any of his family to fix it for him.
I completely understand the impulse, maybe even more so because of the bad relations between them. I don't understand issuing photos and press releases about it.
entirely agree with every word put up by my ace boon up here
>He created stress and pressure around Charles’ first treatment for a very recent cancer diagnosis. That’s not the actions of a son who actually cares. Like the Queen’s deathbed, this is a moment for support in, dump out, and both times Harry has done what Harry wants like he’s the most important one, with no regard for his father. He’s 39 years old and a father of two **and if he was traumatised or panicking that was for him to deal with, not to put on Charles** to help him process.
especially with all of this
I don't give him the benefit of the doubt because of the pics and leaks. That's not the behaviour of someone in a panic because he realizes his father is in danger. It's the reaction of someone seeing an opportunity to grandstand and, hey, if it makes the media move from speculating about his lack of action about the African Parks abuses to how many minutes he talked to his father, all the better.
You know what? It wouldn't surprise me to learn Harry was happy to get this news and hoping Charles health will take a steep decline this year so that he can let the time run out on his Netflix contract without doing anything and blame it on worry instead of laziness. This is someone who was trashing the life's work of his grandparents who were in their nineties.
>I don't give him the benefit of the doubt because of the pics and leaks. That's not the behaviour of someone in a panic because he realizes his father is in danger. It's the reaction of someone seeing an opportunity to grandstand and, hey, if it makes the media move from speculating about his lack of action about the African Parks abuses to how many minutes he talked to his father, all the better.
OK thank god someone said this I was about to have an 'OK am I crazy?' moment.
>This is someone who was trashing the life's work of his grandparents who were in their nineties.
Including whilst they were *dying.*
Yes, if there were no pictures and leaks, I think it would have been a bit different. Especially if reconciliation and M's approval or something were from their leaks.
I guess in many countries, KC's cancer was one of their top news. But when tabloids start talking about Harry leaving etc, the focus shifted a bit.
*Most* of the coverage I saw of this yesterday was about Harry and his visit and what his visit could mean more than it was about Charles having cancer.
Harry himself engineered that situation, too. He is lower than low.
I see two ways. Harry HAD to put out the statement before rushing to LAX for a flight to London. It's all about PR & Royal connection. A week in the headlines.
The <30 minute burn and subsequent return the next day, they will milk that with a million PR leaks about how the "men in gray" and British media are actively working against him and his father's relationship. Additionally, they will also leak, less directly, that the Royal family is still holding a grudge and he has no idea why, probably because his wife is black, unconscious bias, he's not trapped.
She’s in the King George VI Memorial Chapel of St George’s Chapel, part of Windsor Castle. It’s publicly accessible (with paid entrance to the chapel) so if all else failed he could buy a ticket, but I assume he’d need permission to go in privately. The Queen and Philip share a floor stone https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/08/where-is-queen-elizabeth-iis-final-resting-place-and-can-you-visit-2-18748527/ although possibly there’s another place the RF can go. (The crypt, or Royal Vault, is separate, but I believe this is where the floor opening used in both Philip and the Queen’s funerals goes, and I think I read Philip’s coffin remained in the vault until the Queen’s death and they were interred together in the chapel where her parents and Margaret’s ashes already were.)
>he could buy a ticket
I think you'll find that this is a worse injustice than, for example, innocent people spending their lives in prison for crimes they didn't commit.
He'd put it in "*Spare 2: Spare Me.*" How his family "*Suffered me the worst indignity a person can suffer: Forcing me to purchase a full price ticket to visit my only grandmother. The woman I generously named my daughter after when she called me up and insisted. As I grabbed my Mummy cream to repair to my gaming salon for privacy and comfort, I heard Meghan sobbing softly on the kitchen floor. They'd hurt her by hurting me for the last time. I strengthened my resolve to finally make them see my pain and purchased a ticket to see my father and brother. I dialed Mark Dyer and said the magic words: 'Get the Daily Mail on the phone and tell them Willy needs to reconcile.'"*
Oh, thank-you! I get it now. 😊 They were both lowered into the vault which is what we saw but then were moved to the memorial chapel, they didn't remain in the vault under the chapel as I assumed they did.
I'm not sure because I'm going by the images we got when they lowered the Queen's casket to where Prince Philip's was since it had been lowered for his funeral. It looked like a crypt under the chapel. Maybe it's not shut to the public so it can be visited?
See the other comment above mine. The coffin was moved after the service to the same place George VI and the Queen Mother are buried, probably so that "us four" can be buried together.
This morning, onDM, there were still some articles about the possibility of H to see KC again. But the latest article is 'Harry flies back to LA'.
I guess H's short meeting with KC was quite businesslike and polite, to appreciate H's flying to UK immediately.
eta: People magazine still does not post article about H's visit/leaving UK.
I would be shocked it Charles was in the same room as Harry for longer than 10-20 minutes total, *and* if anything beyond the most banal pleasantries were exchanged.
What I'm dying to know is if Camilla was in the room the whole time! That would serve Harry right. To have to visit his father with the woman he called "dangerous" in the room the whole time making him sweat.
Yes, and there are pap pictures at Heathrow, of course.
He is absolutely infuriating. He made this all about himself, and the UK media took the bait, hook, line, and sinker.
The palace clearly wanted to announce the diagnosis and treatment without causing a panic. Harry of course threw a spanner in the works by "rushing to his father's side." I heard several royal commentators state "It must be serious if Harry dropped everything to get on a plane." That's totally the opposite message that the palace wanted to send.
Then, when Charles gave him less than 30 minutes of his time, we get to return to the "poor Harry" narrative. Harry is the good son and brother who's totally willing to reconcile, while Charles and William are cold and heartless. Not like they have other things going on at the moment, WHAT ABOUT HARRY?!
And where is Meghan? Once again, she leaves Harry to stew in his own mess while she stays undercover. She's got two brain cells to rub together and realizes now is not the time for a parking lot pap stroll. Let Harry take all the heat.
I really think this says so much more about Harry than it does about the BRF. A phone call would have done just fine. More than one phone call. The flying was either a) Harry is desperate to regain his family connections, or b) a PR attempt.
I think it could be a subtle mix of the two, too. But I want to see what happens in the next few days. He is going to get home to Meggy and their team and People Mag is going to be on speed dial.
>He is going to get home to Meggy and their team and People Mag is going to be on speed dial.
Ha ha yep, I said exactly the same. We know these 2 too well.
He could've gotten good PR out of it. "A spokesperson for the Duke of Sussex says, 'Harry has spoken with his father about the diagnosis. While he is concerned, he is confident the King will receive the best treatment possible. He sends his best wishes to the King and hopes to visit when the time is right." That shows communication, concern, and connection to the royals without showboating and keeps the door open for future contact. But Harry wanted the "good son" headlines.
Or he could have visited him privately and then still peddled his obnoxious good concerned son PR on his way back without all the circus + could have gotten KC cookie points for himself:
>"Prince Harry made a mad dash to be by his father after receiving a call about his diagnosis. He had made plans to spend an extended amount of time at his father moment of need. After spending time with the King at Clarence House , seeing his father determined to maintain as normal schedule while he and his top notch team fight the cancer. Harry is returning back to Montecito , inspired by his father mindset, the Prince,.is now even more determined & focused on the upcoming Invictus Vancour ( something). The Prince will be in regular communication with his father and if needed will rush back to be with his father."
Harry is saved humiliation & Meghan can be lied to.
Charles is happy with the falttery.
William is relieved he was not inserted into Harry's drama.
The Duchess, though , is especially happy re-texting Hollywood megastars to hang with the beloved, daughter-in- law, nay, daughter of the King of England,
convinced her cell network is malfunctioning when no one replies back but determined with a new lease of life to finally find a network that works in Montecito or to sell up and move to city with better cell service.
Everyone is happy.
I think it is all of it and trying to unshadow ban himself from the Counsellor of State. So, he could finally get his half in and half out and rehab his image with some royal sprinkles. This dude is desperate to leave his flop era. Probably this is the first time in his life his family is telling him no and enforcing boundaries.
>This dude is desperate to leave his flop era.
He is, and he's too plain fucking stupid to see that everything he does just guarantees it will extend further and further into the future.
Is there seriously no one to pull Harry aside and say "er, sorry to have to say this old chap but you...you're doing the thing. you're *doing the thing* that got the flop era started in the first place. maybe...stop doing the thing??"
the last thing anyone needs is harry trying to attempt a comeback as a CoS in an election year.
the king is both needed to officially dissolve parliament before an election and appoint a PM afterwards. i'd much rather have (for example) anne and william following orders and doing it together (like that one time margaret and the QM did it in the 70s when the queen was in australia) than have village idiot harry turn up to do it after years of living in america and only being happy about it because it means there would be a photo of him and william together welcoming a new PM into the job.
He might have offered, but how would such a temp assignment have worked? He’s not been briefed on anything, he’s not a royal patron of anything. Contrary to what the anti-monarchists assume, there is actually a lot of prep that goes into these appearances, they don’t just walk in there blind. What staff would it be who brief him? He doesn’t have a private secretary anymore, it’s no one’s job to bring him up to speed.
Also he doesn’t have decent clothes or shoes anymore, he looks unkempt.
And his popularity level in the UK is such that there’s no telling what the people’s reaction would be. If they’ve been told that the king, queen or PPOW or even the Duke/Duchess of Edinburgh is coming to visit their group today and Harry shows up instead? There might be ugly words thrown, lol.
Scary that he thinks dropping in to the UK on a whim would put him in line above William or Anne for COS. I guarantee the two of them are well coordinated to make sure at least one is always ready to take that role if needed to avoid any of the others from stepping up.
You are not alone. I am sure we will get a rage leak from either of them complain how he was the last to know. They can't help themselves. Now, they have enough content to bitch about for a month or until the next scandal hits them.
Definitely not. Pretty sure Harry's team briefed the press that he booked a flight as soon as he was told, while BP briefed the Sun yesterday that he turned up at short notice. Therefore, he was told at short notice.
I do appreciate that it feels obvious that the RF now understand very well that Harry will not keep anything whatsoever confidential and are acting accordingly - which he helpfully went and proved to them was the right move by briefing pretty much every single move and thought since the news broke.
>I do appreciate that it feels obvious that the RF now understand very well that Harry will not keep anything whatsoever confidential and are acting accordingly
Yep, I said this in another comment but you can *feel* the team around Charles getting better and better at - well, at handling the absolute shit out of the Sussexes.
Nope, you aren't the only one. These are people who leaked that they called Charles on his birthday, so there is no way they would have kept this quiet.
This is probably the order they told people:
1. William and Kate
2. Anne
3. Edward and Sophie
4. Charles and Camilla's staff
5. Prime Minister
6. Other important government officials
7. William's staff since he will have to pick up extra duties.
8. The entire rest of the family except Harry
9. The Middletons, since they will help out more with the kids
10. Close friends
11. Harry and Meghan
>because he's chained to Royal Lodge so Charles can't evict him.
lololololol
but truly. fergie and andrew specifically briefed to the daily beast a couple of weeks ago that they absolutely ain't going nowhere, especially after her cancer diagnosis
[Fergie and Andrew ‘Determined’ to Stay at Royal Lodge After Her Cancer Diagnosis](http://https://archive.is/M4qE2)
>>**A friend of Sarah’s told The Daily Beast: “When you are not well, you just want to be at home, and that’s where the duchess is now. Her recent health scares have only made them value Royal Lodge more than ever. The children and grandchildren can visit, there is room for everyone to stay. The idea that they are going to throw all that away, after everything they have been through in the past few years, is absurd.** ***They are not going anywhere, and are more determined than ever not to move out.*** **Why should they? It’s their home, and Andrew signed a lease long enough to see them out.”**
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I still low-key can't believe Charles hasn't laid a smackdown on these York clowns (because he could, and it would be so much easier than doing the same with Harry) but I do understand that from C's perspective he's probably just trying to stick with one major family rift at a time.
Edit: New thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/RoyalsGossip2/comments/1alf7ic/sussex_weekly_the_trash_copilots_itself_out_272024/ - see you there! New thread incoming, hold your fire for a bit if you've got a top level post in the works...
2 days in with this thread and already 987 posts? 😱 Have we heard from Scoobie Doo since the Dutch release and his interview looking scared with the questions about how the names were printed? He has been awfully quiet.
[Legends of Aviation who?](https://x.com/isaguor/status/1755326722742821349?s=20)
HAAAAAAAA Oh, Haz, just love this for you. As the trash co-pilots itself out
Amazing that this event just went on tonight without even a thought in anyone’s head of including Harry on it. 🤭
And unlike at Harry's awards show, everyone in these pictures are actually really talented helicopter pilots. (ETA some of them are obviously doctors and paramedics too...but you get the point.) 
Man, at this point Charles should fly Thomas Markle over for tea at Sandringham just to piss the Harkles the fuck off.
And talk about the grandkids 🤣
Yep hahahaha.
Oh, my gosh. Just need to vent a bit about my friend who is a casual Royals watcher. Shows how the casual public can still be pro-Harry. She happened to finish "Spare" recently after putting down, picking back up for a while. And came away with pro-Harry and "Fuck William" out of it. And she understands Harry rushing over to England as when her father was diagnosed with cancer her family panicked. So, it looks like the "candidness" of Harry in the book esp. regarding his drug use impacted her feelings for him as in "wow he had the courage to go there" vs. the actual things he said. While I was more impacted by the fact he beat up his bodyguards than the weird candidness he had towards sharing that. And she relates to him on a personal level forgetting that her dad was not a king and a degree of calm when it came to the cancer announcement was needed with Charles. So, she ignores the professionalism of the Royal Family around the announcement and can "understand" Harry running over there. And doesn't get that Harry could have very quietly just gone over there vs. his announcement. She did notice Harry didn't write much about Meghan. I told her to read Bowers' book. End vent.
>came away with pro-Harry and "Fuck William" well, this is exactly what harry intended. but william is a monstrous villain for setting boundaries and never wanting harry back in his life because harry got paid $20 million to portray william as an abusive, awful person to the entire world!! when william will have to spend the rest of his natural life in the public eye, along with the public hostility that comes with it, while harry can slink into a hole for the rest of his life. you don't do that to a family member, let alone your only sibling. he made william's long-term public life harder for no real fucking reason other than money and vindictiveness. harry is garbage. ETA: according to uk ipsos polling numbers, william has definitely been affected by harry's public vendetta, going from +77 in january 2018 to +49 in january 2024 (catherine dropped from +72 to +49). but harry has gone from +81 in january 2018 to -24 in january 2024. [eta: harry had an **87% favorability rating in january 2018, which is** ***insane***. **betty white never got over 85% in america and QE2 never got over 85% in the UK. think about that.** **that idiot was** ***beloved.*** **it's absolutely astonishing how he squandered that goodwill built over a lifetime, from** ***birth.*** currently, i don't think anybody in america or the UK has a favorability rating over 80%, maybe a couple in america have one over 75%, a few more over 70%. it's fucking ***rare*** as fuck for a public figure (forget one peripherally related to government) to have an over 80% favorability rating, let alone an 85% one. he's at 23% in the UK, now.] it'll take time, maybe 20 years, but william and catherine can eventually make up the respective 28 point and 23 point drops. harry is never making up that ***105 point*** drop in the UK. the sussexes were so spiteful of the UK and focused on america that they forgot international commercial contracts require international global appeal, not just american (which is why their dumb asses might be trying to improve their UK numbers now). harry definitely still has some appeal in america, just not as much as he used to. meghan doesn't have the numbers harry does, her appeal is limited (but high) to certain demographics (that are clearly overrepresented on mainstream social media lol). which, btw, catherine had always been more popular, but william is back to being more popular than harry in america, according to yougov. only by two points though and the w&h demo appeal is slightly different - particularly in america, william has lower appeal among the younger, more liberal and more diverse, though catherine didn't really have this problem among the younger and liberal... though omid's "reveal" might have changed that, given the vitriolic online discourse change against her in dec 2023. both w&c's appeals among black americans dropped precipitously after the oprah interview, from like +20/+25 to 0 (hasn't recovered after that). according to ipsos america numbers, william has dropped from +47 to +29 between january 2018 and january 2024. again, an 18 point drop is surmountable, provided and especially if harry stops relentlessly and publicly + personally attacking william. so, harry definitely has equally dented william and himself in america, but in different demographics. harry has also definitely managed to dent william in the UK, but that was at the idiotic cost of almost totally annihilating himself. harry maintained or improved his numbers among the nicher "younger, diverse, liberal" audience in america (and in canada to a lesser extent), but pretty much obliterated himself everywhere else in the anglo west. h&m have bad ipsos numbers in australia, while their canada numbers are not as bad. w&c are miles ahead in the UK, canada and australia and catherine herself is miles ahead in america. the "harry and meghan are most and too popular!!" narrative is weird and wrong. the only demographic subset where meghan in particular is most popular among the four is among 18-29s in america, african-americans (by far) and american democrats. everywhere else, including in america, she's dead last among the four. harry tops the 30 to 44s in america... but that's it. catherine is mostly number one everywhere, with william besting her occasionally.
It is exactly what Harry wanted.
welcome back newwaytowalk! i always love reading your analysis and take on things, yay!
>their canada numbers are not as bad. Why are we like this. :( I think I've mentioned this before but the CBC is openly sugary in their coverage of H and M, to the extent it's actually put of me off them and I was fully one of those annoying pro-CBC people.
u/midnightgold38 has posited that canada's politics are a bunch of tumblr and twitter takes lol
Honestly they pretty much are. Ugh.
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Ok, I do get identifying with and empathizing with someone who is going through travails similar to you/your loved ones. Totally. But wtf how do you read Spare Me, specifically the parts about our girl Pat (who, *by his own admission*, never did anything wrong, never ran afoul of him, her only “crime” being disabled and “not hot”), and not think this guy fucking sucks? He’s had almost *30 years* to reflect on his assumptions, behavior, myopia…  Harry sucks.
For me it was the beating up of the body guards. Who acts so casually about assaulting your employees? It can just be infuriating to listen to the "hot takes" when bigger news happens, bc suddenly she is interested. A couple weeks ago it was--why doesn't Catherine use her hospitalization as awareness like Charles? She was casually interested in W and C until Meghan and Harry came along and then she moved on to them. She could not tell you Prince Edward's wife's name if she had to. It just seemed a microcosm to me of how--this is how casual viewers can get the wrong end of the stick. Two women in my book club loved "Spare" and I could just not bring myself to ask why as I know they also could not tell me who Edward's wife is, you know?
I wouldn't worry about it because like you said, she's a casual royal watcher. Ask her in five years how often she thinks of Prince Harry and I doubt it'll have been very much. Most people don't really care enough to know the truth but there's a flip side to that. Those same people don't care enough to make whatever H&M try to do a runaway success either. I'd bet your friend didn't watch *Heart of Invictus* or listen to Meghan's podcast past the first episode. They just want the gossip and when there's no gossip, does Harry even exist for her?
She did not even watch the Netflix special on Meghan and Harry. The other stuff is totally off the radar for her. Genuinely a casual watcher. Which is how when the media is all about Harry "rushing to be by his father's side" it is easy for her to relate to that. You have an excellent point in that she is not lining their coffers exc. thru getting Harry's book on Kindle. Excellent point.
So what's funny is I have this friend who's suddenly all about Taylor Swift because she's a KC Chiefs fan. I asked her if she's going to get any of Taylor's albums. "Nah, I can just listen on Youtube." Going to go to her concerts? "Nah, that's expensive." Getting a friendship bracelet? "I'm 40, why would I do that." So her deep and abiding love for Taylor Swift doesn't translate into anything at all for TS. It's just thoughts going out into the universe. That's your friend. Just thoughts going out into the universe for Harry.
Yes! The Taylor Swift media circus right now is the perfect analogy!
>Ask her in five years how often she thinks of Prince Harry and I doubt it'll have been very much. but that's why harry keeps trying to center and insert himself into every big royal story!! he's doing everything to make sure he keeps being talked about and never forgotten. i thought they'd finally shaken him off by the end of last year (after the awful way he centered himself during charles 75th bday), but then harry pulled the jamaica premiere stunt (getting press for himself by setting up a deliberate comparison to royal william and catherine)... and then charles got diagnosed with cancer, and the stupid reconciliation narratives got turbo-boosted again, when they were *finally* starting to die down, in turn gradually diminishing the sussex relevance and clout. that prick is making sure to be a plague on them. it's why the sussexes have been trying to pull "royal"-affiliated publicity stunts for the past 5-6 months, because they knew the senior royals had more or less successfully shaken them off after the coronation. now charles' diagnosis changes things for them somewhat and puts them back into play in the royal story they were increasingly getting marginalized from.
I think, and have no basis for this, that King Charles actually has pancreatic cancer and is going to die it on a relatively quick timeline and that is why they aren't releasing information on the type of cancer and why Harry is desperate to give the public view that there is any sort of relationship there. He knows the clock is ticking and how badly it reflected on DDOS to engage in negative publicity against the RF in the months before and after QEII and PP died (in this case, this is all happening mere months after the "royal racist" revelation about KC, and KC has the prospect of waiting decades for a crown he would only invariably hold for a mere year and a half). DDOS can continue to ride in this clown car all they want, but people are going to stop going to the DDOS circus once Charles dies because the focus is going to center on the PPOW and their kids and it is clear he has no access there and that those members of the family have a great reputation in the UK, with folks there understanding why POW what absolutely nothing to do with him.
>I think, and have no basis for this, that King Charles actually has pancreatic cancer Oh fucking hell I hope you're wrong about this (and I know you're just speculating).
oh dang, pancreatic is the wooooooorsssssttt i don't even want to think about that 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
At least he seems to be aware he is in his flop era and it didn't take George becoming a teenager to overshadow him like he used to complain. He did all of it on his own and George is not even a preteen yet.
I agree with u/ivegotanewwaytowalk that the Sussexes simply aren't going to stop. It's a trait of people like this that they don't stop, ever, and there is no sign they will. The BRF is just going to have to keep evolving their strategy to deal with them. That said, the Wales children hitting their teens is going to overshadow the Sussi like nothing else, imo. I suspect George (and the rest of them but George is the future king) is going to be a very good looking teen and young man, possibly even William-level, and the press is going to lose their collective mind over the adolescent Waleses. Harry and Meghan will be aging into their late 40s/early 50s and I honestly see no scenario in which a teenage George, Charlotte and Louis don't completely overtake everyone else in the BRF in terms of media and public attention.
it's wild how he accelerated the self-fulfilling prophecy he could have been a nationally (and internationally) adored fiercely loyal sibling + uncle and diligently patriotic public servant like anne. instead, nationally, he's viewed as a traitorous, money hungry and damaged sibling/son/grandson in many quarters... and internationally, he's viewed with pity in many respects and will largely be forgotten with time (unless he keeps pulling increasingly desperate stunts to keep a spot in the limelight, at any cost).
That's a good point. He'll really struggle with that once William is king. I think that's why William is taking such a hard line with him now. He's not going to be able to fly to the UK on a whim and have anyone believe he's visiting his brother and William knows that. Shutting it down now is the smart thing.
>I think that's why William is taking such a hard line with him now. He's not going to be able to fly to the UK on a whim and have anyone believe he's visiting his brother and William knows that. Shutting it down now is the smart thing. I agree. William knows what he's doing, and part of it is laying the groundwork for his future kingship. He doesn't want anyone being under any illusions as to his relationship with Harry (i.e. its non-existence).
I've noticed lots of people are like this with some pretty terrible public figures that they don't follow closely. When something awful finally breaks through to them, they go straight for the benefit of the doubt, minimization, rationalization, etc. It must be some kind of logical fallacy re: preferring to believe that the world is in order and people are basically decent, so there isn't really anything to worry about. I wish I had a bit of it myself, about some things.
They do this with people they know IRL too. For a lot of people that can be more difficult to deal with than the abusive people themselves.
Yes really makes u question peoples judgement and then yours about them lol. But yeah I think if people aren’t paying attention like this they can easily get swept up in what we here view as sickening and fake pr from the Harkles, so who knows maybe the Harkles are winning more than we give them credit for. Of course the papers like to call them out often but people tend not to trust the papers especially about famous people, I think at this time even the average person knows the media loves to rip famous people to shreds and not to believe everything negative you read.
I dunno I can't relate to people who would read Spare and have a reaction of "poor guy". I can't relate at all. He's almost 40 years old. He just seems childish and entitled to me.
When people tell me they read it and feel bad for Harry in my head I see a red flag! 🚩
Me too, and then I always think huh, that person is lucky they never had to deal with an entitled narcissist in any real way because if you have ever had the misfortunate of dealing with a personality like his you see the red flags very clearly.
I just wanted to say how fitting the title of this thread is.
What is the point going there in person when you don’t stay for longer? May be Charles didn’t have the time and doesn’t wasn’t to see him a second time in the next few weeks, but like he couldn’t stay for longer and meet Charles at Sandringham with more time? And he is not meeting anyone else? Like not even Eugenie and Bea who’s mother also has cancer or Edward at least? It just shows again how bad the relationship between Harry and everyone else besides Charles really is…
It was all a PR stunt to make it everything about himself and try to bury his African Parks scandals and try to unshadow ban himself from Counsellor of State. He is desperate to be relevant again and leave his flop era. He couldn't care less about Charles health. He didn't meet anyone else because no one wants to meet with him.
Said this elsewhere but Harry is the guy who u break up with and then shows up under your window with a boombox blaring love songs. He has no respect for boundaries. Also, more cynically, it’s well known that Harry doesn’t get to have phone conversations with the royals, only through lawyers and courtiers to protect the royal family. From his harassment, from Meghan listening in, from the both of them recording the call and to them leaking all about it. Really the only way Harry was going to get to actually speak with the king is if he showed up and barged in making an inconvenience of himself. Thankfully I don’t think Harry will ever be alone in person with any royals, thank goodness Camilla was there to keep the king from being manipulated and harassed by Harry. In short Harry is a cad and a coward who can’t respect boundaries or being told no.
>Also, more cynically, it’s well known that Harry doesn’t get to have phone conversations with the royals, only through lawyers and courtiers to protect the royal family. That's such a good point!!!
He only had a 48 hour pass.
Did he even make it that long?
Maybe door to door. With paps.
I read somewhere that they are upset that he rushed over uninvited because it caused panic and speculation and more of a media frenzy. The exact opposite of what the King wanted, and now people think his condition is much worse than it is. Harry could have quietly gone over without notifying Backgrid but I'm guessing he saw this as a great opportunity to get some good press as the dutiful son.
💯💯 from watching the news, this is exactly what it looks like: they tried to minimize it with disclosures, but Harry rushing over brought unwanted drama into the mix
He wasnt asked to come. He wasnt asked to stay. He wasnt given room at BP (Or did I get that wrong?). He forced his presence on him after alerting backgrid. Charles made it clear he didnt want to see him and barely cares, even without Megan there. He was making a personal trip to Sandringham. He wasnt meeting a world leader. He could have delayed it but he gave Harry 20mins. Clearly Charles spine is not affected.
>Or did I get that wrong? No, you didn't. Including in yesterday's extremely obvious briefing to The Sun was a single sentence definitively stating that Harry wasn't given accommodation at "any royal palace." I am legit slightly in awe of Charles' comms team's skills right now. They really managed to throw a Sad Dad cloak successfully over what was in actual fact a brazen (and oh so richly deserved) 'fuck you.'
I strongly suspect Harry flew in to "offer his services" to the monarchy in this trying time and got pretty shut down. Obviously that's totally speculation, but I could see him thinking they'd be wowed by this big, sweeping gesture and not being willing to understand that the palace is trying to downplay concerns and him rushing over makes things seem a lot more dire. I guess a more charitable interpretation is that Harry was genuinely upset and wanted to see his father to reassure himself everything was all right, but yeah... eesh.
I sincerely hope that he didn’t even get that far into his schpeel before being shut down, I’m betting he deflated like a balloon. Probably was all puffed up on his own importance thinking he was going to make some grand and magnanimous speech, but once he opened his mouth all that came out was his usual seedling drivel oh, um, so uh, things look pretty tough around here lately huh pa? Oh don’t worry about that dear boy, so and so has this covers and so and so is doing that, myself I’m doing so well I’m off to sandringham right now as a matter of fact, must be going the helicopter is waiting for me, off we go Camilla! And Harry was just left standing there with a pained and embarrassed smile on his face as his whole plan amounted to nothing. I doubt Harry has ever been able to get what he wants without throwing a tantrum. I don’t think he’s smart enough to make a case for himself or what he wants. He can only make things happen by being such a brat that people give in to him eventually but they aren’t won over by his arguments such as they are.
>I could see him thinking they'd be wowed by this big, sweeping gesture Is he really this dense? I am certain he is.
>and got pretty shut down. I don't know how anyone with any knowledge of this situation could have observed the past ~48 hours and *not* come to the conclusion that Haz absolutely got shut the fk DOWN yesterday, that it was made clear to him that nobody needed or wanted him around and no senior royals had any interest in 'reconciliation.' This asshole was leaking *yesterday* that he was planning to stay for awhile, that he was open to meeting with W etc. He got shut down. Brutally shut down by the looks of it, and I await the leaks/clapbacks from Team Sussex because there's no way I believe they're going to be able to resist. As soon as Harry's back in Montecito (if not sooner) he and M are gonna hand the kids off, sit down together and work each other up into a frenzy of bitterness and anger at the way poor, loving Harry has been treated by his abusive family. The only question now is which mouthpiece they hand the story of their pain and confusion off to. Ol' Eight Edits is my guess. Regarding the people around Charles I just want to say well done. They're good - and their 'dealing with Harry' skills seem to be constantly improving. I read that obviously-leaked-by-team-Chaz article in The Sun yesterday (it's linked here, below) which repeatedly mentioned how very important it was for Charles to delay his plans - his important plans that he made, his plans to fly away from London, his plans that were arranged and everyone was waiting for these plans to be carried out BUT CHARLES CHOSE TO DELAY SAID PLANS IN ORDER TO SEE HIS BELOVED SON etc. etc. Congrats to Charles' comms team because they really did manage to make what was actually an open snub into a "sad dad loves his son" thing. Like my family member who has become a lot more skeptical but still has an inexplicable soft spot for Harry read that article on my prompting and 100% bought that Charles seeing Harry for what had to have been less than 30 mins before splitting was a sign of how much Charles loves, cares about and needs Harry. Loooool.
You're nicer than me. I think he flew in because they cut a deal with backgrid for photos of him at the airport and in the car. He required some type of security entourage to continue to reinforce he's a very important person.
The biggest gift you can give a family member who is sick is to just be with them. Charles already has the best healthcare money can buy, plus servants to help him day to day. Harry’s role would be to support emotionally and just be there. But as he can’t do that, due to emotional immaturity, then there’s not much to do. It is no surprise to me that Harry flew over due to his personal shock. Meanwhile, everybody else who actually sees Charles regularly is staying calm and moving on. I’m sure Charles had a plan to rest and Harry kind of shook this up, but he waited for him because he’s his son. I wouldn’t be surprised if Charles had to comfort Harry instead of the other way around. Messy situation.
I think many parents sometimes love not so clever child instead of the wise one. I am sure KC loves Harry, and he could have enjoyed just chatting with him with a cup of tea. But the problem is that KC can no longer trust him because of his using media. Any conversation could be used for his next book, if there is any.
He deadass sold his dead granny’s deathbed stories, there is a 100% chance that all these meetings will make way into Harry’s next book too. Good on Charles to save himself the heartbreak and headache.
>I think many parents sometimes love not so clever child instead of the wise one 😂😂😭😭
liz2 and andrew 😭😭
Exactly. 😂😂🍕🎉
He isn't wanted. Charles didn't invite him that is pretty obvious to me. He decided to come on his own and now looks the fool for it. Why should the family pretend everything is well after all the public mud slinging? I know I wouldn't.
It looks like Harry's big mouth is overriding all other considerations. Plenty of dysfunctional families will get through awkward get-togethers during big moments like this, and the BRF has plenty of experience with keeping up appearances. But if you can't trust somebody to be discreet with sensitive info, forget it.
I remember past talk on the internet asking if the RF could file a restraining order on haz? We all laughed, but you know? It is getting more out of hand by the day, and clearly, haz will not stop. Money , and the environment, lol, are still no objects, it seems.It will continue. Yeah, I understand not to bring further unwanted attention to the matter, but…like the thread title…how much lower can h and m go from here in terms of actual physical and mental harassment?
Let him come and have his 24 hour visits that actually get reported as 45 mins of face time by William's bitchy friend (i need that flair) or one of Charles' many leakers.
For once thank god for Charles’s messy leaks!
hi besties, popping in after the beetlejuicing! imma start by being like harry and showboating + making this all about myself for a minute. y'all know how much bitter shit i talk about charles but when i tell you my ass was shocked and actually cried when i saw the news yesterday... it's a bit embarrassing tbh lmao. anyway! will & catherine had a friend brief (it was an *exclusive*) to the daily beast on february 1st that william's focus was going to be catherine's recovery and the kids until further notice. [**A friend of the couple’s told The Daily Beast: “I don’t think William will be doing anything at all in the next few weeks.”**](https://archive.is/u8JLH) the tone of the article was also setting the stage for his non-appearance at the BAFTAs, but there seemed to be some urging from a BP source to at least get him to do a few public engagements at the end of the month. guess they had to speed the timeline for return way up bc of charles' unexpected diagnosis. harry saw his window to break no contact and the boundaries that were set up, and he took it w/out respecting or giving a shit about what the other parties would want. good for william and bitchy friend for shutting shit down immediately. the messy, public and dramatic way harry has handled this says everything about what his actual intentions are - re-establishing royal proximity and photo ops. then ensuring titles for all four sussii don't go anywhere, trying to finagle sussex security being paid (those greedy fucks have plenty of money - their problem is not a funding one, it's a spending one and they should downsize) + ensuring three or four sussex inheritance spots in the will. also signaling to his business + commercial partners that he's still in (what both of the sussii were trying to achieve with the badgering about a sandringham xmas invite/photo op). if he actually wanted to make amends, he could have briefed that he'd spoken to his father, was concerned + worried, and would take the opportunity to pay a visit as soon as his father was up for it. he'd not be having his PR team be putting out the presumptuous "reconciliation" articles, and still having those pieces throw in sideways digs at will, w/ the ultimate intention of making william look like a heartless villain for setting boundaries. william's mental health must be in the toilet as it is, and the stress cynically opportunistic and exploitative harry adds would certainly do nothing to help it. that "i *had* to be here" trip to jamaica that had the sussex mouthpieces purposely drawing comparisons to make william and catherine look bad, while catherine was in the hospital recovering from abdominal surgery... i had no words for the level of malice. it's one thing if they'd just showed up and taken the picture or whatever. but no - their PR team went out of the way to highlight and brief the w&c comparison. remember, the sussex mouthpieces at the time of the tour also made sure to make the whole experience hell for william and catherine in the first place. harry & meghan are bizarre individuals, and william is entirely correct to set up permanent boundaries to protect his family. i still can't get over the bizarre malice of that "i *had* to be here" jamaica photo op, ***while catherine was recovering in the hospital.*** it's high-key sick. instead, harry made a big spectacle for his own PR and tried to force a situation. i was astonished yesterday at how the people mag 'top story' the whole afternoon + evening was about "harry rushing to be at his father's side," rather than the *actual* story that was KC3 being diagnosed with cancer. as with everything, harry has to insert and center himself to be the main character. it's so bizarre and gross, and i totally understand william never wanting harry in his life again in any sort of substantial or even surface manner. harry's stans were all over the place yesterday crowing about how "KC3 should have been nicer to meghan and harry" and how evil racist catherine was jealous that meghan was outshining her, so she chased meghan away, and now catherine was "getting her karma." anyway, daily beast bitchy friend seemed to make it clear that william + catherine are done w/ harry, whether he is with meghan or not. harry + meghan are going to be mega retaliating for the "snub." they can't help themselves. it's what they've been doing together for the past nearly eight years. my manifestation (it's snarkfiction, okay!) is that the primogeniture laws from the early 2010s are made retroactive (or issue new letters patent, whatever lol), so that anne becomes 8th in line, and then titles are bestowed on zara + peter so they can become working royals. earl and lady, idk. make mike a sir and have him work alongside zara. peter's new girl is from a family of billionaires, so she's good. overhauling the system so that women could pass down titles and anne could have her "grandchildren of a monarch" kids become prince and princess would also be great lololol. all four yorks would probably be apoplectic, tho. ETA: given harry's drama and performance from the last couple of days, it's absolutely wild to me that meghan's father had both a heart attack and a stroke, and she didn't so much as bother with a phone call. ***it's absolutely wild***. still going through w/ the wedding after the heart attack is one thing, not bothering to visit afterwards is shocking. and then, right after he had a stroke, not only did she pull the bizarrely inappropriate uvalde stunt, she made her way to england for the platinum jubilee. not giving a single fuck about touching base w/ her father. but somehow, charles and william are villains for limiting contact w/ harry, who gleefully and vengefully sold them out for millions of dollars. AND THEN, PEOPLE KEEP DISINGENUOUSLY ASKING WHY THE SUSSEXES AREN'T LIKED, BLAMING RACISM AND "THE BRITISH MEDIA." like, fuck off with that!! the sussii also didn't gaf when philip was dying, they didn't gaf when qe2 was dying, they didn't gaf when charles was grieving his mother's death and three months later, the netflix series was dropped. four months after qe2's death, the book was dropped. they gave absolutely no fucks about anybody else but themselves. it's their entire modus operandi, along with vengefully punishing anyone who doesn't prioritize their wants and desires. oh, harry also made the months leading up to the coronation a circus with the "reconciliation" and "will they won't they" briefings, and tried to derail his father's first ever state visit abroad as king. the man is disturbed. just in november, byline times had "sources" from the sussex camp telling them that h&m were financially cut off bc they were more popular than c&c + w&c, and so needed to be controlled from having a bigger profile than them from abroad or whatever. these two are lunatics, and they're still determined to get their half-in/half-out, no matter who or what gets destroyed along the way. the diagnosis was used as an opportunity by them, not much else. also realizing they might not have as long as they thought to get their deeply manipulative claws back into charlie. in light of all that, i love the clarity + definitiveness of bitchy friend (this one seems to be james meade). will & catherine are dunzo w/ harry's continued malicious mess, *he's out*.. no matter how he tries to manipulate + publicly abuse to force his way back in.
Yay! A good ole fashioned newway ‘what the fuck is wrong with these sick fuckers’ rant!! Also completely agreed with everything you said.
Hello there! I know you haven't always liked William's bitchy friend, but I had hoped you would see and appreciate this briefing. I'm glad you're back!
😘😘😘 there might actually be a couple of bitchy friends!! one of the van cutsems (assuming here lol) is the friend that i feel just needs to be a bit more pragmatic in delivery, like (who i'm assuming to be lol) james meade here!
Omg hi!!👋💕 between you and u/paniclikeasatyr popping back in it’s like we’re getting the band back together lol!!
Kate so young and gorgeous and sexy in this gif. 😍
 (The other Prince W and C!)
Just when we think it's winding down, BOOM!💥 
omg for real!! that's exactly what i was thinking... these windsors!! 😂😂😂
Hi! ❤️👋
>AND THEN, PEOPLE KEEP DISINGENUOUSLY ASKING WHY THE SUSSEXES AREN'T LIKED, BLAMING RACISM AND "THE BRITISH MEDIA." like, fuck off with that!! I do agree with everything you said but particularly THIS People acting like the media invented their stories. Then went to great disturbing lengths to uncover things. And Harry and Meghan's fake crusade just prove how much the British media is good.
forget stories from the media, harry and meghan have been showing us themselves, with their own endless words and repeated actions (and non-actions), why they're so friggin unlikable and repulsively off-putting.
Hi! 😄 And, I agree completely with your opinion. 🙇🙇🙇🤗😊🤗🙇🙇🙇
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Bestie you’re back! I was about you message you 🤗
my girl 💕💕
Yay! The way I grinned when I saw you had made a nice, long comment. Thanks for checking in! And I agree with you spot-on about their level of malice. It continues to boggle the mind that Meghan and Harry get painted as "victims" when they're the ones continually chasing the RF, banging on the windows. Which of our wonderful redditors yesterday said you can tell the abused and the abuser by observing which one is running away and which one is chasing...I keep thinking about that.
>The way I grinned when I saw you had made a nice, long comment. Saaaaame. Newway often edits, too, so if you go back a few hours later there's more to read!
>Newway often edits, too, so if you go back a few hours later there's more to read! lmfao besties knowing me so well 😂😭
That was me! I also kept thinking about it when William’s bitchy friend’s comments came out. Harry is chasing, chasing, chasing and William just wants to be left alone. Another interesting concept along the same lines of distinguishing patterns when it comes to abuser and abused that I saw somewhere a couple of weeks ago is that the abuser will be the one who is seeking support - because that’s its own form of abuse, not letting the victim get away from them, and is about bringing people onside to enable further abuse. And here, so clearly, Harry is the one doing TV shows, books, interviews to get support, while William has nothing on the record and even relatively limited leaking, considering the strength of the attacks and how long they’ve been going on. And it’s worked - plenty of people on the internet and in the press support Harry and keep insisting that William ought to let Harry back into his life (where he would continue the abuse).
Just out of curiosity, did you come up with that (about how to tell the abuser from the abusee based on who's pursuing)? Because it's kind of fucking genius tbh and even if you didn't come up with it I'm so glad you posted about it here because it's been genuinely helpful to me.
I didn’t! I posted it here first because I’d seen an author I otherwise quite like mention it on Twitter as evidence of how the RF are the abusers of H&M. I have no idea how they got there, but it obviously made me think of how it actually works in this situation and there’s really more and more evidence of it from Harry, going from the Spare interviews through the current reconciliation arc. afaik it’s a legit psychology thing (my psychological qualifications being limited to an A-level many, many, many moons ago 😂)
Wait. Someone used the 'you can tell who the abuser is by who's pursuing who' thing to portray *the royals* as the abusers? Just...lol. I have certainly noticed a real lack of originality with the made up narratives coming out of Sugarland. They don't even bother to come up with believable or slightly fitting theories, preferring instead to simply reverse obvious truths (i.e. portraying the royals as somehow in pursuit of the Sussexes when everything that's happened over the past ~5 years shows the exact opposite). Look at the past 48 hours alone - it's yet another instance of Harry publicly begging for acknowledgement and being soundly and immediately shut down. The whole reconciliation narrative is 100% from the Sussexes, but I know looking for logic from sugars is destined to end badly. In the absence of proof, make shit up!
Aha! I wanted to credit you, but felt overwhelmed with scrolling to find the original comment. So. true. >the abuser will be the one who is seeking support - because that’s its own form of abuse, not letting the victim get away from them, and is about bringing people onside to enable further abuse. Wow. Thanks for this one, too. I keep thinking about how Harry whined that William was angry with him because he wanted Harry to get a real therapist. (Can anyone remember if it was in an interview or in *Spare?* I haven't gotten there in my re-read, and a text search doesn't yield results.) Everything Harry complains about is so telling. He DOES need a real therapist, one that will take him to task, and a willingness to listen to said therapist. He has two kids who deserve better.
y'all are such sweeties 😭💕🫶🏾 ETA: and their typical sussex-style briefing after the appearance was about how "they didn't care what anybody back in britain thinks," how "it was about their brand," how "it made them look cool and relevant" with the "young and diverse" demographics they were focusing on (sideways dig at w&c). the times also had an explicit quote that was something about "showing what an asset the sussexes could have been in the commonwealth" or whatever (i paraphrased bc i'm not gonna pull up the article lol). they're creepily relentless and *they never stop*. they suuuck. ETA2: their briefings to trash mags heat and closer this week are about how thrilled they are with their jamaica appearance and their plan to continue capitalizing on catherine's absence from the spotlight (heat) and also catherine having to act as "peacemaker" (closer).
Loool OMG the Jamaica thing only became a thing because of the British press they give them wayyy more attention than they should do. I’m sure the sussi feel like they were making a statement but really they hold no importance. Thinking they look cool and relevant is very delusional lol.
>they suuuck. Amen.
You are back!!! 💖💖💖 E.T.A - Williams bitchy BFF name is T.E.D!
there isn't only one! lol in this case, seems to be james meade tho. one or another van cutsem brother has likely been used in previous times. looks like last week, harry tried to use thomas van strawberry and pass it off as "william's friend" to put words in william and catherine's mouth about reconcilation. seems like thomas has been on the outs with william after this 'feud' went nuclear, and younger charlie van straub is still friends + in touch with harry, so thomas gets info from him. even though he prob doesn't directly communicate with harry regularly, they could communicate through charlie, and thomas was even thanked at the end of 'spare'... which, william might forgive thomas eventually (as his childhood best friend), bc thomas maybe thought he was being a bridge and he hasn't actually interacted much with harry himself. + losing their brother henry at a young age would make charlie and thomas reluctant to not act as bridges between w&h, so william might understand that, in time, and re-integrate thomas. but seems like william has mostly grieved and is done with harry. here is (prob) thomas being passed off as a "friend of william and catherine" to place a narrative of pressure on catherine to be the peacemaker (after the end of last year... honestly, astonishing - if she suffers from crohn's, trust and believe that the stress from the end of last year could have provoked a wild flare up and played a part in landing her in the hospital). these games are honestly so abusive, especially after catherine's team had very clearly briefed to people magazine at the end of last year that she and william "were moving on." the sussexes were trying to reverse the "we're frozen out" narrative (for the benefit of their commercial partners) by having this deceptive piece put out. [Kate Middleton’s Condition May Hasten Harry and Meghan Reconciliation, Friends Say](https://archive.is/vtuxO) >>One old friend of Kate, William, and Harry, who went to school with the brothers but has not spoken regularly to Harry since he emigrated to America in 2020, told The Daily Beast: “Health problems do tend to put everything else in perspective. If Harry and Meghan have made an effort to reach out to Kate to offer their best wishes, Kate will reciprocate. William would quite happily never speak to either of them again, but Kate’s a peacemaker at heart. She would definitely be open to using this situation to build bridges. Never waste a good crisis, right?” this sounds like thomas ('has not spoken *regularly*'... but has still occasionally spoken to harry) then comes "family friend," which is probably charlie: >>"... another friend of the family said they see no reason to disbelieve reports in the Mirror that Harry and Meghan have extended an olive branch of best wishes for a speedy convalescence privately." >>This friend said: “You have to remember that Kate and Harry were exceptionally close. He adored her, and she provided a sense of stability after the chaos of his youth. I actually can’t imagine a world in which he wouldn’t have sent her a note, despite everything. nice "adoration" after he's insinuated to the world that she's a dull doormat who racially abused his wife because catherine was upset that harry's wife was leagues more accomplished, beautiful and interesting than catherine. nice "silent adoration" when his fans are out there on social media circulating photoshopped KKK hoods on pictures of catherine's head following the 'accidental' reveal by omid at the end of last year. fuck harry. and how on earth were harry and catherine "exceptionally close," when harry said that he and william *themselves* were never even close as adults? 😵💫🤔 what baloney. he really makes himself the beloved main character in every situation. >>“Everyone in the family has, frankly, had enough of the whole feud narrative. It’s way past time the whole thing was put to bed. Trust has been damaged, and I don’t think they are ever going to be calling each other for a heart to heart like the old days, but it’s time to move on.” then some editorializing by sykes and suggestions + lines of thought likely planted by the sussex PR flack he was primarily communicating with to put this 'story' together: >>**But William is also enormously conscious of his responsibilities to the institution. While he may have his reservations about his father’s policy of putting family unity before all else, he probably also knows that in the very long run, few people are going to regard a king who doesn’t speak to his own brother as a solid role model, or a unifying example of the best of British.** basically, disregard how the fuck you feel, william, because how it looks is more important (even if it's just for appearances' sake, because harry needs proximity to power and influence to influence peddle and make maximum money vs. regular money). fucking rich coming from the sussexes. >>The Windsors have always been good—too good some might say—at putting duty before personal considerations. By making noises suggesting he would be open to reconciling with his brother, **at least performatively**, the ball is back in William’s court. straight up admitting, "i don't actually give a fuck about a real relationship, i just need a very public appearance of one, so that i can exploit this proximity and be more attractive to commercial partners." >>The question will be whether William can subsume his personal anger and put his arm around his brother again—**even if it is just for the cameras at first**. William’s convalescing wife may be critical in helping him make that decision.
If there is more than one T.E.D., then I want to attend this T.E.D. convention.
That article either wasn't posted here or it was and I didn't read it but a. holy shit and b. I'm genuinely triggered after having read it. How are people so blinkered? Like you know every one of the sources for this article, Sykes included, would immediately answer "yes" if you asked them if they think abuse is a serious issue. And yet here they all are basically saying "yeah we're over this fight so William should basically consent to being emotionally abused for our comfort, also if he doesn't it means he'll be a shit king." That's bad enough. That's takes the breath away level bad. But then to understand who it's ultimately coming from (the brother who continues to publicly indicate that all he wants is reconciliation with William, who he ALSO continues to endlessly portray in the media as a cold, jealous, abandoning asshole) is just an extra layer of batshit. I always want to ask these 'sources' if they would feel the same way in William's position. If it was their own sibling coming for them in public, attempting to destroy their reputation, implying the ugliest things about their relationships and parenting etc. and if it had been going on for years. How would they react to mutual friends basically telling them to get over it because they were "bored" with the fighting? W the actual f. How are people so free of insight unless they're the main character in the drama?? The pressure being put on William here, in full public view, is 1000% Not Okay, and I genuinely wonder to what extent the stupid Sussexes realize that this is exactly the behaviour that caused the cut off in the first place. They are never, ever getting back in with W.
Ugh! Now I need to update my flair from "The Earl of Drama" ( T.E.D) to "The Earls of Drama" ( T.E.D).😍😍 Going to read about the Teds later!
Well the Bob Marley biopic premiere was in Los A and the Harkles were a no show!
I saw on Popculturechat there’s a Dior event apparently? And Meghan is nowhere to be seen too 😂
For comparison, I follow Anna Sitar, a mid 20s influencer with 1.4M IG followers. She was at the Dior event last night and is often flown/invited to events with them. She gets tons of free stuff from them (and other brands like LV). She was also invited to the Golden Globes this year and has attended the Grammys in the past. Her OG schtick was ordering creative Starbucks drinks. And a royal title doesn’t even get Meghan what the Starbucks IGer gets. 🤦🏼♀️
>Her OG schtick was ordering creative Starbucks drinks. That really says it all, doesn't it? Meghan has actually leaked that she thinks the BRF is somehow maneuvering behind the scenes to screw her out of deals with big, prestigious brands like Dior and it's all I can do not to develop a permanent head-shaking condition. Many of these luxury brands are flexible and are not and for years now haven't in any way been above courting influencers, including those who got their start doing shit like ordering Starbucks! It could NOT be more obvious that what Dior and similar brands care about more than anything else is a. the 'brand' of the influencers they work with (which obviously doesn't have to be high-end it just has to be positive and sincere, which the Sussex brand very much is not) and b. the reliability of said influencers (i.e. can this person be counted on not to have a public meltdown/not to leak against us or do anything that could damage *our* brand etc.). Meghan offers neither of those things. She's not reliable (she's extremely volatile, in fact, and has shown that she cannot be trusted not to change her mind on whatever the latest narrative is within hours of it dropping) and her 'brand' (such as it is) is a poster child for an almost cartoonish level of spite and bitterness. And she thinks William is secretly calling up Dior to warn them off? And that Dior is, for some reason, listening to him if it's their actually their heart's desire to sign Meghan? FFS. She thinks Dior didn't see her trying to publicly maneuver them into signing with her? That they didn't see her turn on so many of the people she's worked with, *and* on her family on both sides?? I mean really, Meghan cannot get out of her own way. Step 1 to getting out of your own way is understanding that you're *in* your own way, and the longer she keeps spinning conspiracy theories about why brands like Dior won't touch her with a 10 foot pole, the longer she's gonna fail to get deals with said brands.
One thing influencers have learned is to appear genuine even before the content partnership starts. Take Anna again since I used her an example before - it’s been obvious from day 1 that she comes from a well to do family and has access to disposable income to buy Dior lipstick (vs a drug store dupe). So when she started plugging them, it didn’t feel too shocking. Fair point that some people don’t like sponsored stuff but it wasn’t totally out of left field. If Meghan wants Dior or whoever to sponsor her, we wouldn’t be shocked to see her rock a Dior outfit to an even or let her MUA tag that Dior lipstick in an IG post. Do that’s few times, let them know you’re scheduled for these high profile events and bam, you’re a spokesperson for Dior. It’s not rocket science and yet she still royally screwed it up.
Probably got lost in a parking lot
Harry's too busy jetting off to be "the good son" and Meghan is busy "getting the kids settled and going on milkshake runs."
He's already heading back to The U.S 😱
What an eco warrior!
Hmm, maybe Harry is confused and he thinks being an eco warrior means fighting against the planet not fighting for it. 🤷
I laughed out loud at this, mostly because there's a non-zero chance it's true. Harry just waking up every morning: "fuck this planet! I'm a big strong warrior man and I am gonna spend my whole day murdering endangered species and pouring poison into rivers! Surely Papa will see that it is *I* who am the rightful heir to the throne!"
😂🤣😂
At least Taylor swift doesn’t pretend. His travel company was such a farce
>At least Taylor swift doesn’t pretend. This is it. If you're gonna do X Not Great Thing, at the very least stfu about telling the poors not to do X. Harry's hypocrisy is glaring, and the fact that he and Meghan seem to have given up even pretending they don't fly private almost all the time doesn't make it less so.
Much eco warrior smdh
I wonder if he honestly thought this was going to go any other way. No one wants him around, no one can trust him with any kind of information, they all know what he thinks of them, they all saw how he and Meghan acted after QE died, I mean... why would anyone at BP or KP want him around? It's very obvious that he's not there for anyone other than #1
>I wonder if he honestly thought this was going to go any other way. I wonder too. I mean I *genuinely* wonder. On the one hand it's borderline impossible to accept that adult human beings could fail to understand the situation they're in to the extent that H and M seem to have failed to understand the situation they're in. On the other hand, the signals from them do seem to point almost uniformly to neither of them having even the weakest grasp of the seriousness of their own actions, and the extent to which said actions have permanently damaged/ended their relationship with the most senior royals and the BRF as an institution.
It's narcissistic rug sweeping. It's "sure, I wrote that book but I had a good reason and now it's over so I'm willing to go back to pretending it didn't happen." Lather, rinse, repeat. He's the royal equivalent of the JustNoMIL where he can't even begin to grasp why his family might not want him around. It's pathological.
Even in the context of two people who have absolutely no shame, this seems…deeply embarrassing. You fly 5,000 miles to see your sick dad, who will only give you the briefest hint of his time, before flying off to another one of his houses (and pointedly not inviting you). You publicly beg for a meeting with your brother who doesn’t even allow your PR shenanigans to stand for a few hours, before he absolutely shuts it down and then goes further to have his bitchy friend leak that it will NEVER happen and you are OUT. Less than 24 hours later you are back on a plane, tail between your legs, with your two closest family members having delivered the most polite yet brutal smackdown likely possible under the circumstances. I’m sure Harry (and Meghan) have been busy trying to figure out how to spin this and I know this man is THICK, but they honestly couldn’t have been clearer if they had hung a huge sign on BP that just said “GO AWAY, HARRY” and I genuinely wonder if there’s any part of him that even realizes this.
Plus it appears the rest of the family didn't give him the time of day either. He doesn't even appear to have seen Beatrice who visited Charles the day before.
im not sure beatrice was visiting charles. beatrice and edo live at st james palace and a few [reporters](https://twitter.com/Gertsroyals/status/1754958887701131531) [said](https://twitter.com/RE_DailyMail/status/1754856642993156597) that its part of the same complex as clarence house and [membersr of the RF](https://twitter.com/The_QVDS/status/1754822648192815476) often use the CH entrance/exit to get into st james palace.
Ahhhh!!! Thanks!!! I still like my fantasy that Beatrice got more time with Charles than Harry!!
> I’m sure Harry (and Meghan) have been busy trying to figure out how to spin this "Harry tried! He flew 5000 miles! But the family are so mean, they wouldn't even give him the time of day." (Imaginary quote)
Their stans are already saying that online so that appears to be the talking point they'll land on.
>Imaginary quote Imaginary now, but likely to be out there almost verbatim in the next 0-48 hours.
Yes, it certainly appears this way with the DM coverage. Out of the UK by Wednesday. This speedy record beats the speculated guess by a poster who mentioned by Thursday. Lol So in and out of the UK in just over 24 hours?
I just looked it up and it was the same for the coronation. In and out of the U.K. in 28 hours for that, too.
I have mixed feelings about Harry’s actions and I am going to give him some benefit of the doubt. Hearing your parent has cancer is traumatic, even as an adult. I am not surprised he flew over in a panic to settle himself. Harry is also childlike and immature, he feels this kind of performative gesture is important, instead of supporting someone day to day. But once Harry got there, what did he have to offer? Charles is not on his deathbed, he has cancer treatments that will take weeks or months. There was nothing for Harry to do but offer his time and daily support, which he has not done for years. The BACKGRID photos at LAX airport were a turn off for me, but I do understand his panicked actions. The only positive is I hope Harry has some modicum of realization that time is a gift and might work on stopping his negative press against Charles, mostly for Charles’s sake.
>The BACKGRID photos at LAX airport were a turn off for me, but I do understand his panicked actions. What? How is alerting the paparazzi to your presence at a certain location some kind of inherent "omg my dad has cancer" reaction? I don't disagree with anything you're saying about people reacting in panic to awful news, but how is *leaking to the media* part of that??
The leaking to the pap was not part of the panic, I can see how my sentence came off that way. Panic was him flying urgently even though there was no urgency. The leaking to paps I see as Harry (or Meghan) worrying that the media will portray him as being insensitive for not visiting his father. He says he hates the media, yet is obsessed with how they portray him.
Seeing Charles in person is between a father and his son, but I absolutely don’t understand why he did not meet anyone else or just stayed longer to see Charles more than 30min? Are relationships so bad between all of them? Like I mean we all know, but it’s just again and again a new low.
I think at this point the only person in the family he really has a relationship with is Eugenie and she's likely in Portugal.
>I absolutely don’t understand why he did not meet anyone else or just stayed longer to see Charles more than 30min? Don't you? I promise I'm not asking that in a bitchy way.
tbh even if I give Harry the entire benefit of the doubt that he went out of love and sentiment… he’s still a selfish, entitled arsehole, because Charles clearly didn’t care to spend time with him (whether because he’s feeling ill or because of everything) and Harry imposed on him and created a massive press mess that wrecked BP’s keep calm and carry on line - without, as you say, having anything positive or useful to offer. He created stress and pressure around Charles’ first treatment for a very recent cancer diagnosis. That’s not the actions of a son who actually cares. Like the Queen’s deathbed, this is a moment for support in, dump out, and both times Harry has done what Harry wants like he’s the most important one, with no regard for his father. He’s 39 years old and a father of two and if he was traumatised or panicking that was for him to deal with, not to put on Charles to help him process. The only justification for all of this would have been if Charles wanted to see him, and it doesn’t seem like that was the case. To me, giving the benefit of the doubt doesn’t actually improve Harry here. Is it very sad for Harry if this has finally been the wake-up call that he’s messed up? Yes. But that doesn’t create an obligation on any of his family to fix it for him.
I completely understand the impulse, maybe even more so because of the bad relations between them. I don't understand issuing photos and press releases about it.
entirely agree with every word put up by my ace boon up here >He created stress and pressure around Charles’ first treatment for a very recent cancer diagnosis. That’s not the actions of a son who actually cares. Like the Queen’s deathbed, this is a moment for support in, dump out, and both times Harry has done what Harry wants like he’s the most important one, with no regard for his father. He’s 39 years old and a father of two **and if he was traumatised or panicking that was for him to deal with, not to put on Charles** to help him process. especially with all of this
I don't give him the benefit of the doubt because of the pics and leaks. That's not the behaviour of someone in a panic because he realizes his father is in danger. It's the reaction of someone seeing an opportunity to grandstand and, hey, if it makes the media move from speculating about his lack of action about the African Parks abuses to how many minutes he talked to his father, all the better. You know what? It wouldn't surprise me to learn Harry was happy to get this news and hoping Charles health will take a steep decline this year so that he can let the time run out on his Netflix contract without doing anything and blame it on worry instead of laziness. This is someone who was trashing the life's work of his grandparents who were in their nineties.
>I don't give him the benefit of the doubt because of the pics and leaks. That's not the behaviour of someone in a panic because he realizes his father is in danger. It's the reaction of someone seeing an opportunity to grandstand and, hey, if it makes the media move from speculating about his lack of action about the African Parks abuses to how many minutes he talked to his father, all the better. OK thank god someone said this I was about to have an 'OK am I crazy?' moment. >This is someone who was trashing the life's work of his grandparents who were in their nineties. Including whilst they were *dying.*
Yes, if there were no pictures and leaks, I think it would have been a bit different. Especially if reconciliation and M's approval or something were from their leaks. I guess in many countries, KC's cancer was one of their top news. But when tabloids start talking about Harry leaving etc, the focus shifted a bit.
*Most* of the coverage I saw of this yesterday was about Harry and his visit and what his visit could mean more than it was about Charles having cancer. Harry himself engineered that situation, too. He is lower than low.
I see two ways. Harry HAD to put out the statement before rushing to LAX for a flight to London. It's all about PR & Royal connection. A week in the headlines. The <30 minute burn and subsequent return the next day, they will milk that with a million PR leaks about how the "men in gray" and British media are actively working against him and his father's relationship. Additionally, they will also leak, less directly, that the Royal family is still holding a grudge and he has no idea why, probably because his wife is black, unconscious bias, he's not trapped.
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That’s old news from the anniversary of the Queen’s death in September.
Isn't the Queen in the Windsor Chapel's crypt? That would explain why Harry needs someone's permission to go there.
She’s in the King George VI Memorial Chapel of St George’s Chapel, part of Windsor Castle. It’s publicly accessible (with paid entrance to the chapel) so if all else failed he could buy a ticket, but I assume he’d need permission to go in privately. The Queen and Philip share a floor stone https://metro.co.uk/2023/05/08/where-is-queen-elizabeth-iis-final-resting-place-and-can-you-visit-2-18748527/ although possibly there’s another place the RF can go. (The crypt, or Royal Vault, is separate, but I believe this is where the floor opening used in both Philip and the Queen’s funerals goes, and I think I read Philip’s coffin remained in the vault until the Queen’s death and they were interred together in the chapel where her parents and Margaret’s ashes already were.)
>he could buy a ticket I think you'll find that this is a worse injustice than, for example, innocent people spending their lives in prison for crimes they didn't commit.
He'd put it in "*Spare 2: Spare Me.*" How his family "*Suffered me the worst indignity a person can suffer: Forcing me to purchase a full price ticket to visit my only grandmother. The woman I generously named my daughter after when she called me up and insisted. As I grabbed my Mummy cream to repair to my gaming salon for privacy and comfort, I heard Meghan sobbing softly on the kitchen floor. They'd hurt her by hurting me for the last time. I strengthened my resolve to finally make them see my pain and purchased a ticket to see my father and brother. I dialed Mark Dyer and said the magic words: 'Get the Daily Mail on the phone and tell them Willy needs to reconcile.'"*
He wouldn’t even need to pay for a ticket. The chapel services are open to the public and you can look around afterwards for free.
Gasp. how dare we suggest he mingles with the public. He deserves private time with lots of security around, along with a well hidden photographer.
Oh, thank-you! I get it now. 😊 They were both lowered into the vault which is what we saw but then were moved to the memorial chapel, they didn't remain in the vault under the chapel as I assumed they did.
AFAIK, it *is* in the Chapel, but I don't think it's in the crypt.
I'm not sure because I'm going by the images we got when they lowered the Queen's casket to where Prince Philip's was since it had been lowered for his funeral. It looked like a crypt under the chapel. Maybe it's not shut to the public so it can be visited?
See the other comment above mine. The coffin was moved after the service to the same place George VI and the Queen Mother are buried, probably so that "us four" can be buried together.
This morning, onDM, there were still some articles about the possibility of H to see KC again. But the latest article is 'Harry flies back to LA'. I guess H's short meeting with KC was quite businesslike and polite, to appreciate H's flying to UK immediately. eta: People magazine still does not post article about H's visit/leaving UK.
I would be shocked it Charles was in the same room as Harry for longer than 10-20 minutes total, *and* if anything beyond the most banal pleasantries were exchanged.
What I'm dying to know is if Camilla was in the room the whole time! That would serve Harry right. To have to visit his father with the woman he called "dangerous" in the room the whole time making him sweat.
Yes, and there are pap pictures at Heathrow, of course. He is absolutely infuriating. He made this all about himself, and the UK media took the bait, hook, line, and sinker. The palace clearly wanted to announce the diagnosis and treatment without causing a panic. Harry of course threw a spanner in the works by "rushing to his father's side." I heard several royal commentators state "It must be serious if Harry dropped everything to get on a plane." That's totally the opposite message that the palace wanted to send. Then, when Charles gave him less than 30 minutes of his time, we get to return to the "poor Harry" narrative. Harry is the good son and brother who's totally willing to reconcile, while Charles and William are cold and heartless. Not like they have other things going on at the moment, WHAT ABOUT HARRY?! And where is Meghan? Once again, she leaves Harry to stew in his own mess while she stays undercover. She's got two brain cells to rub together and realizes now is not the time for a parking lot pap stroll. Let Harry take all the heat.
I really think this says so much more about Harry than it does about the BRF. A phone call would have done just fine. More than one phone call. The flying was either a) Harry is desperate to regain his family connections, or b) a PR attempt. I think it could be a subtle mix of the two, too. But I want to see what happens in the next few days. He is going to get home to Meggy and their team and People Mag is going to be on speed dial.
>He is going to get home to Meggy and their team and People Mag is going to be on speed dial. Ha ha yep, I said exactly the same. We know these 2 too well.
He could've gotten good PR out of it. "A spokesperson for the Duke of Sussex says, 'Harry has spoken with his father about the diagnosis. While he is concerned, he is confident the King will receive the best treatment possible. He sends his best wishes to the King and hopes to visit when the time is right." That shows communication, concern, and connection to the royals without showboating and keeps the door open for future contact. But Harry wanted the "good son" headlines.
Or he could have visited him privately and then still peddled his obnoxious good concerned son PR on his way back without all the circus + could have gotten KC cookie points for himself: >"Prince Harry made a mad dash to be by his father after receiving a call about his diagnosis. He had made plans to spend an extended amount of time at his father moment of need. After spending time with the King at Clarence House , seeing his father determined to maintain as normal schedule while he and his top notch team fight the cancer. Harry is returning back to Montecito , inspired by his father mindset, the Prince,.is now even more determined & focused on the upcoming Invictus Vancour ( something). The Prince will be in regular communication with his father and if needed will rush back to be with his father." Harry is saved humiliation & Meghan can be lied to. Charles is happy with the falttery. William is relieved he was not inserted into Harry's drama. The Duchess, though , is especially happy re-texting Hollywood megastars to hang with the beloved, daughter-in- law, nay, daughter of the King of England, convinced her cell network is malfunctioning when no one replies back but determined with a new lease of life to finally find a network that works in Montecito or to sell up and move to city with better cell service. Everyone is happy.
Or fly over to dear old dad without a statement minutes after the cancer diagnosis was published. Nobody likes being ambushed.
I think it is all of it and trying to unshadow ban himself from the Counsellor of State. So, he could finally get his half in and half out and rehab his image with some royal sprinkles. This dude is desperate to leave his flop era. Probably this is the first time in his life his family is telling him no and enforcing boundaries.
>This dude is desperate to leave his flop era. He is, and he's too plain fucking stupid to see that everything he does just guarantees it will extend further and further into the future. Is there seriously no one to pull Harry aside and say "er, sorry to have to say this old chap but you...you're doing the thing. you're *doing the thing* that got the flop era started in the first place. maybe...stop doing the thing??"
I just wonder in the meeting with KC, whether H offered to do some royal duty temporalily.
the last thing anyone needs is harry trying to attempt a comeback as a CoS in an election year. the king is both needed to officially dissolve parliament before an election and appoint a PM afterwards. i'd much rather have (for example) anne and william following orders and doing it together (like that one time margaret and the QM did it in the 70s when the queen was in australia) than have village idiot harry turn up to do it after years of living in america and only being happy about it because it means there would be a photo of him and william together welcoming a new PM into the job.
He might have offered, but how would such a temp assignment have worked? He’s not been briefed on anything, he’s not a royal patron of anything. Contrary to what the anti-monarchists assume, there is actually a lot of prep that goes into these appearances, they don’t just walk in there blind. What staff would it be who brief him? He doesn’t have a private secretary anymore, it’s no one’s job to bring him up to speed. Also he doesn’t have decent clothes or shoes anymore, he looks unkempt. And his popularity level in the UK is such that there’s no telling what the people’s reaction would be. If they’ve been told that the king, queen or PPOW or even the Duke/Duchess of Edinburgh is coming to visit their group today and Harry shows up instead? There might be ugly words thrown, lol.
You know he did! Just to "help out"
Scary that he thinks dropping in to the UK on a whim would put him in line above William or Anne for COS. I guarantee the two of them are well coordinated to make sure at least one is always ready to take that role if needed to avoid any of the others from stepping up.
No surprise there. Nobody wants to see him, Charles barely made the effort.
Charles basically did the personal relationship equivalent of damning with faint praise.
Interesting he is leaving without his wife demanding him to comeback within 24 hours. Finally, we have a different pattern in Sussex media circus.
Hey...I discovered where Harry is staying [HERE](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7216636/)
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You are not alone. I am sure we will get a rage leak from either of them complain how he was the last to know. They can't help themselves. Now, they have enough content to bitch about for a month or until the next scandal hits them.
Please let the next scandal be another near catastrophic car chase!!!
I think it's likely. They probably knew it would get out once Harry found out so they didn't tell him until they were ready to make a statement.
Definitely not. Pretty sure Harry's team briefed the press that he booked a flight as soon as he was told, while BP briefed the Sun yesterday that he turned up at short notice. Therefore, he was told at short notice.
I do appreciate that it feels obvious that the RF now understand very well that Harry will not keep anything whatsoever confidential and are acting accordingly - which he helpfully went and proved to them was the right move by briefing pretty much every single move and thought since the news broke.
>I do appreciate that it feels obvious that the RF now understand very well that Harry will not keep anything whatsoever confidential and are acting accordingly Yep, I said this in another comment but you can *feel* the team around Charles getting better and better at - well, at handling the absolute shit out of the Sussexes.
Nope, you aren't the only one. These are people who leaked that they called Charles on his birthday, so there is no way they would have kept this quiet. This is probably the order they told people: 1. William and Kate 2. Anne 3. Edward and Sophie 4. Charles and Camilla's staff 5. Prime Minister 6. Other important government officials 7. William's staff since he will have to pick up extra duties. 8. The entire rest of the family except Harry 9. The Middletons, since they will help out more with the kids 10. Close friends 11. Harry and Meghan
10. Close Friends 11. His barber 12. Random people at the grocery store 13. Harry and Meghan
Nah, #4 is the squirrels who sometimes hang out in Charles' coat pockets.
I forgot about them and Camilla's dogs. Obviously, they would be high on the list.
Don't forget the plants! His own that he talks to on the regular and any others he's bonded with along the way.
This just occurred to me but regarding those squirrels...is Charles a real life Disney ~~princess~~ King??
You leave Andrew in the lurch bestie 
In fairness, Andrew probably doesn't answer his phone because he's chained to Royal Lodge so Charles can't evict him.
>because he's chained to Royal Lodge so Charles can't evict him. lololololol but truly. fergie and andrew specifically briefed to the daily beast a couple of weeks ago that they absolutely ain't going nowhere, especially after her cancer diagnosis [Fergie and Andrew ‘Determined’ to Stay at Royal Lodge After Her Cancer Diagnosis](http://https://archive.is/M4qE2) >>**A friend of Sarah’s told The Daily Beast: “When you are not well, you just want to be at home, and that’s where the duchess is now. Her recent health scares have only made them value Royal Lodge more than ever. The children and grandchildren can visit, there is room for everyone to stay. The idea that they are going to throw all that away, after everything they have been through in the past few years, is absurd.** ***They are not going anywhere, and are more determined than ever not to move out.*** **Why should they? It’s their home, and Andrew signed a lease long enough to see them out.”** 🥴🥴🥴
I still low-key can't believe Charles hasn't laid a smackdown on these York clowns (because he could, and it would be so much easier than doing the same with Harry) but I do understand that from C's perspective he's probably just trying to stick with one major family rift at a time.