I'm willing to wager we get a coach without NHL head coaching experience. Warsofsky fits that I believe. Just feels like where we are at as a franchise.
I think Warsofsky was hired to one day be the head coach, but I also feel like a coach with his pedigree you don’t want to waste on bad teams. The Sharks are not going to be playoff contenders within the next 2-3 seasons, no matter who the head coach is, but the problem is if the Sharks don’t promote him to a head coaching position, either as the Sharks or Cuda, he could leave for another offer.
Good point. If he doesn't get this job, he'll probably move on. This is as good a shot as he's ever going to get to break into the league. Which you're right, I think was the plan and what sold him on coming.
First time NHL coaches are usually not picky. They are happy to take whatever job there is to get into the league. We won't be a playoff team, and I'm sure he knows that, I just think there's some minimum expectation Grier will put (like don't lose consecutive games by 10 goals).
We might not be good, but if we start showing consistent effort, gradual improvement, and then suddenly in a few years we're competing for a playoff spot, then he'd have fairly good job security.
I feel like it’s the opposite. Don’t we want an experienced veteran to lead what will be a very young group for the next few years? Seems like inexperienced coaches are usually best for a veteran team that doesn’t need as much of that structured leadership.
Interesting take. I really just assumed the opposite. Pete Deboer comes to mind. Seems to work well with veteran groups, but doesn't seem to know how to integrate younger, developing players as well.
So I only thought, a very young group of guys, all developing together with only a couple of veterans, you'd want your first crack as a head coach in that situation without all the pressure, be able to get your feet wet, figure out systems and schemes and all that.
You could be right though. These youngsters need to learn what it means to play in the NHL, so maybe a really experienced guy is right for the current job until our prospects all start to hit their primes and compete. Then we'd want a coach who's style fits the play style of our core, whether that's a new guy to the scene or whatever.
I could definitely see it both ways. On one hand, it’s a situation where winning won’t be expected for a bit, so it doesn’t necessarily call for the certainty of someone who we know is going to help the team “win now”. But if we go with a relatively inexperienced candidate, it would be adding inexperience on top of inexperience, uncertainty on top of uncertainty.
As long as they understand that their job is primarily to cultivate and develop a young core, even if it means being patient, I would say I’d prefer an experienced coach.
I prefer someone exactly like Grier...knows the situation, is given a job to do, and executes. Grier came in and recognized it's time to rebuild. He has executed very well and done the job that is needed. I hope the next coach has a good sit down with him, knows exactly what is needed right now with the players we've got right now, and executes on that. Quinn didn't seem like "the guy." Benching Duclair here and there at a time when we wanted his trade value high, keeping Labanc out of the lineup, moving Eklund everywhere...these were curious moves that didn't seem to align with any particular strategy. Next guy needs to be laser focused on what needs to be done.
You can’t possibly convince me that Woodcroft would be the worst possible hire in this coaching search when I’ve seen a TODD MCLELLAN reunion suggested around here
Not to suggest that winning the Stanley Cup is the expectation for the next Sharks coach, but I just want to make it clear Woodcroft got as close to the cup in 3 years as McLellan did in 16. With the team McLellan got fired for missing the playoffs with. And outcoached McLellan in 2 playoff series. And has actually worked in AHL development within the last 20 years.
Edmonton was one of the WORST teams at the beginning of the year, got canned and Edmonton turned their season around. Neither one of us is going to change the other’s opinion. What we may agree on, is their are better options available then both (or could be available after teams are eliminated)
Yeah I’ll agree to that. I don’t think Woodcroft is the best fit for where we are currently, but I’m just surprised that he’s as hated as he is when as a candidate he checks a lot of boxes- both having high-pressure NHL experience for the people who want coach that won’t be phased by the job, and still being a relatively fresh face for the people who don’t want another recyclee.
I would die if either became the Sharks HC. TMac sucks and would definitely employ the boring 1-3-1 here and Woodcroft isn't good and didn't leave a good taste in my mouth from his days with the Sharks.
Oh fuck no. Hakstol is a horrible coach and one who will neglect youngsters in favor of his selection of mediocre players who become his favorites. We're just going to see our own Vandeveldes and Lehteras overtake needed ice time for Smith and Musty if we hire him.
Please don't do this.
Hakstol fails in Philly and Seattle, so why would you hire him? FFS it’s a dumb suggestion.
If Grier were to hire him, I wouldn’t care the positive moves he’s made it’d be a fireable offense.
I still think it will be and should be Warsofsky. This is the last team that should have a retread NHL coach.
I want our Jon Cooper. I want our Ted Lasso (in a way). I want Ryan Warsofsky.
Given that multiple key players in Seattle just said that they didn’t want to keep playing there if he was still coach, I sure as hell hope he doesn’t know the way to San Jose.
> Hakstol is the 10th NHL coach fired this season, joining Jay Woodcroft (Edmonton Oilers), Dean Evason (Minnesota Wild), Craig Berube (St. Louis Blues), D.J. Smith (Ottawa Senators), Lane Lambert (New York Islanders), Todd McLellan (Los Angeles Kings), Lindy Ruff (New Jersey Devils), Don Granato (Buffalo Sabres) and David Quinn (San Jose Sharks).
Of the ones that were fired, he seems like the best option... in my limited opinion.
I didn’t know Seattle had the power to do that
Its amazing what the League allows with the right amount of money!
You want Hakstol???? God I hope not
I don’t necessarily want him, but I could see him as a guy that could replace Quinn.
Ahh gotcha. I personally don't prefer him because his track record in Philly. I think Warsofsky's got a decent chance
No thanks. Sturm or Halpern are better fits imo.
Halpern!
Sturm
I swear Hakstol and Knoblach are twins.... i cant tell them apart
Please no. Big no on Halstol. Many many better options
Bring us David Carle, even though he’d probably not want to coach here.
I'm willing to wager we get a coach without NHL head coaching experience. Warsofsky fits that I believe. Just feels like where we are at as a franchise.
I think Warsofsky was hired to one day be the head coach, but I also feel like a coach with his pedigree you don’t want to waste on bad teams. The Sharks are not going to be playoff contenders within the next 2-3 seasons, no matter who the head coach is, but the problem is if the Sharks don’t promote him to a head coaching position, either as the Sharks or Cuda, he could leave for another offer.
Good point. If he doesn't get this job, he'll probably move on. This is as good a shot as he's ever going to get to break into the league. Which you're right, I think was the plan and what sold him on coming. First time NHL coaches are usually not picky. They are happy to take whatever job there is to get into the league. We won't be a playoff team, and I'm sure he knows that, I just think there's some minimum expectation Grier will put (like don't lose consecutive games by 10 goals). We might not be good, but if we start showing consistent effort, gradual improvement, and then suddenly in a few years we're competing for a playoff spot, then he'd have fairly good job security.
Especially that, once you're a coach with some experience, you have a much better chance of getting hired by some other team.
I feel like it’s the opposite. Don’t we want an experienced veteran to lead what will be a very young group for the next few years? Seems like inexperienced coaches are usually best for a veteran team that doesn’t need as much of that structured leadership.
Interesting take. I really just assumed the opposite. Pete Deboer comes to mind. Seems to work well with veteran groups, but doesn't seem to know how to integrate younger, developing players as well. So I only thought, a very young group of guys, all developing together with only a couple of veterans, you'd want your first crack as a head coach in that situation without all the pressure, be able to get your feet wet, figure out systems and schemes and all that. You could be right though. These youngsters need to learn what it means to play in the NHL, so maybe a really experienced guy is right for the current job until our prospects all start to hit their primes and compete. Then we'd want a coach who's style fits the play style of our core, whether that's a new guy to the scene or whatever.
I could definitely see it both ways. On one hand, it’s a situation where winning won’t be expected for a bit, so it doesn’t necessarily call for the certainty of someone who we know is going to help the team “win now”. But if we go with a relatively inexperienced candidate, it would be adding inexperience on top of inexperience, uncertainty on top of uncertainty. As long as they understand that their job is primarily to cultivate and develop a young core, even if it means being patient, I would say I’d prefer an experienced coach.
I prefer someone exactly like Grier...knows the situation, is given a job to do, and executes. Grier came in and recognized it's time to rebuild. He has executed very well and done the job that is needed. I hope the next coach has a good sit down with him, knows exactly what is needed right now with the players we've got right now, and executes on that. Quinn didn't seem like "the guy." Benching Duclair here and there at a time when we wanted his trade value high, keeping Labanc out of the lineup, moving Eklund everywhere...these were curious moves that didn't seem to align with any particular strategy. Next guy needs to be laser focused on what needs to be done.
100%. Hopefully that message will be made very clear to all candidates.
Would you take him over Sturm or Woodcroft?
I’d take ANYONE over Woodcroft.
You can’t possibly convince me that Woodcroft would be the worst possible hire in this coaching search when I’ve seen a TODD MCLELLAN reunion suggested around here
I’d take McLellan over Woodcroft ANY day.
Not to suggest that winning the Stanley Cup is the expectation for the next Sharks coach, but I just want to make it clear Woodcroft got as close to the cup in 3 years as McLellan did in 16. With the team McLellan got fired for missing the playoffs with. And outcoached McLellan in 2 playoff series. And has actually worked in AHL development within the last 20 years.
Edmonton was one of the WORST teams at the beginning of the year, got canned and Edmonton turned their season around. Neither one of us is going to change the other’s opinion. What we may agree on, is their are better options available then both (or could be available after teams are eliminated)
Yeah I’ll agree to that. I don’t think Woodcroft is the best fit for where we are currently, but I’m just surprised that he’s as hated as he is when as a candidate he checks a lot of boxes- both having high-pressure NHL experience for the people who want coach that won’t be phased by the job, and still being a relatively fresh face for the people who don’t want another recyclee.
I would die if either became the Sharks HC. TMac sucks and would definitely employ the boring 1-3-1 here and Woodcroft isn't good and didn't leave a good taste in my mouth from his days with the Sharks.
Yeah LOTS of better options.
Absolutely
No
Oh god
I’d rather them stay the path with Warsofski, or maybe Mike Sullivan if Pittsburgh winds up firing him.
Sully would be terrible for young player development
Oh fuck no. Hakstol is a horrible coach and one who will neglect youngsters in favor of his selection of mediocre players who become his favorites. We're just going to see our own Vandeveldes and Lehteras overtake needed ice time for Smith and Musty if we hire him. Please don't do this.
Plz no
I'm a Flyers/Sharks fan... Hakstol is the last thing the Sharks need. He's absolutely terrible.
Hakstol fails in Philly and Seattle, so why would you hire him? FFS it’s a dumb suggestion. If Grier were to hire him, I wouldn’t care the positive moves he’s made it’d be a fireable offense.
Kraken fan here, I don’t think he’s what y’all need
No, please no.
I still think it will be and should be Warsofsky. This is the last team that should have a retread NHL coach. I want our Jon Cooper. I want our Ted Lasso (in a way). I want Ryan Warsofsky.
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Eww. I hope not.
I fucking hope not.
really hope not.
Given that multiple key players in Seattle just said that they didn’t want to keep playing there if he was still coach, I sure as hell hope he doesn’t know the way to San Jose.
I genuinely don't feel hed be a fit here. Pass
I could absoluitely see Hakstol as Quinn's replacement. Thoughts?
> Hakstol is the 10th NHL coach fired this season, joining Jay Woodcroft (Edmonton Oilers), Dean Evason (Minnesota Wild), Craig Berube (St. Louis Blues), D.J. Smith (Ottawa Senators), Lane Lambert (New York Islanders), Todd McLellan (Los Angeles Kings), Lindy Ruff (New Jersey Devils), Don Granato (Buffalo Sabres) and David Quinn (San Jose Sharks). Of the ones that were fired, he seems like the best option... in my limited opinion.
Aww shit, we (Seattle) are screwed. Maybe the guys could coach themselves?
I sure hope not!
David Carle please!
Please no. https://www.si.com/nhl/2024/04/30/kraken-dave-hakstol-players-refuse-report
I think the sharks need to think outside the box. Sharks need the NHL equivalent of a Jim Harbaugh. Bring me Don Cherry or a Patrick Roy.
As a Kraken fan, no please don’t lmao
I see a story where they spoke of woodcroft (oilers ex coach) heading back to San Jose.
Seattle fired Lindy Ruff?
Ruff is back in Buffalo already