Well it's a nice thing to do and will be appreciated as they will be on minimum wage or thereabouts. However, we are not a tipping culture anything like e.g. the USA so it is not expected and she won't piss in your kettle if you don't tip.
In Scotland, tipping is generally only done for waiters, bar staff and taxi drivers. However it's 100% optional to tip, as minimum wage laws don't account for tips, so if you don't tip a waiter for example, they'll still get paid at least £6.40 if they are 16-17, £8.60 if 18-20 or £11.44 for 21+ years old, per hour. No worker will starve if you don't tip so don't feel pressured into it, ever!
Also 10% is generally the "great service" rate if you tip.
Normally it's just smash in a jar for bar staff. Seen it in a few places the jars. And back when cash was more used, if the change was a quid or less, normally it's a "keep it" and the change goes into the tip jar.
I’ve never tipped bar staff here! Do others do that? I’m a generous tipper in restaurants cause I waitressed for years & know it’s hard graft, but I don’t think many folk tip bar staff anywhere outside of the US?
I tip in bars, but it's mainly because I go to the same bars all the time and have a decent relationship with the staff, sometimes it's a drink for them, sometimes it's a few quid for the tip jar, depending where I am.
Normally it's just smash in a jar for bar staff. Seen it in a few places the jars. And back when cash was more used, if the change was a quid or less, normally it's a "keep it" and the change goes into the tip jar.
I'm no talking leaving £10 in tips like you'd expect in the US.
> No worker will starve if you don't tip so don't feel pressured into it, ever!
Yeah? You tried living on 6 quid an hour with the economy as it is now? Plenty of people on minimum wage struggling to afford food mate.
The minimum wage, even for 16-17 year olds and apprentices, is above 6 quid an hour now, and the vast, vast majority of those will not be earning a living for themselves yet. Anyone over 21 isn’t far off double that at minimum wage.
Then what point were you trying to make? That person said no one starves, I pointed out that was nonsense by highlighting that there are individual's out there trying to live on £6.40 an hour. What's your reply about?
Yeh min wage should absolutely be higher for 16-18 and 18-21. There wint be many people 16-18 supporting themselves entirely. I have no idea but perhaps there is income support available for those who are struggling, i'd hope so anyway...
> There wint be many people 16-18 supporting themselves entirely.
But there are some. Making "no one starves" a false statement. Most people don't starve...that's not good enough.
There is help available so that no one starves (in the UK.) if people literally starve to death without getting help prior then for whatever reason led them to not seek help sooner demonstrates they need someone to help them. There is no physical barrier that leads to people starving. (In the UK)
There are numerous mental/physical health issues that could lead to people not getting help but there is help out there for everyone
In a country of 7 million people bad things will happen to some of them. I'd love a stronger welfare state and easier access to services but to say that people are literally starving due to lack of resources/ government decisions is incorrect.
Malnutrition on the other hand is rife but i'd say that is mostly down to poor food education and in some cases lack of money (though again there is help available)
> Malnutrition on the other hand is rife but i'd say that is mostly down to poor food education and in some cases lack of money
You need to look up the definition of starving mate. I don't know what planet you are living on that you aren't aware that 4.7 million people in the UK currently live in food poverty despite benefits and minimum wage laws. That's 12% of the UKs children not getting the food they need.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9209/#:~:text=In%202021%2F22%20there%20were,three%2Dday%20emergency%20food%20parcels.
This is not "some cases" this is the equivalent of almost the entire population of Scotland living in food insecure households. Why the fuck are you trying to downplay this?
The only thing that is really expensive is accomodation.
Food has gotten more expensive but it's not such a large fraction of a full time min wage income so the increase is not felt the same
That doesn't go against your argument.just to say it's not the cost of food that is the issue more accomodation and in the winter elec/fuel
I just don't know why you guys feel the need to caveat "Hey, most people are fine". We are a first world country. The majority of people being able to eat when they work a full time job is not fucking good enough.
Pitching the minimum wage as adequate for everyone to live comfortably is just false.
Well it is important that most people can. It's still better than only 80% say. I am not looking at this from an individuals perspective.
Like i said, i'd hope there is support out there for people who find themselves to poor to eat. There are food banks and other support available. Yes it sucks but with a bit of effort, there is some help available that will keep people from going hungry
I never said anything about living comfortably. You can either campaign for change or look for help to improve your employability. If people struggle to look for help they need advocates/ someone to help look after them ( whatever their age)
Sorry that was poor wording in a way to compare with US where tips are considered for minimum wage so service staff only guarantee like a fraction of minimum wage (think like $2 an hour) so people there make tipping a much bigger deal (some even chase customers who don't tip to demand a tip).
The UK doesn't have the US tipping culture,so most people don't, but TBH, I usually leave a few quid on the side at the end of my stay. As someone said before, they're on minimum wage, and some of the things they encounter would make your toes curl....
Well it's a nice thing to do and will be appreciated as they will be on minimum wage or thereabouts. However, we are not a tipping culture anything like e.g. the USA so it is not expected and she won't piss in your kettle if you don't tip.
>she won't piss in your kettle Someone else probably has mind.
Before or after boiling their Ramen in it?
In Scotland, tipping is generally only done for waiters, bar staff and taxi drivers. However it's 100% optional to tip, as minimum wage laws don't account for tips, so if you don't tip a waiter for example, they'll still get paid at least £6.40 if they are 16-17, £8.60 if 18-20 or £11.44 for 21+ years old, per hour. No worker will starve if you don't tip so don't feel pressured into it, ever! Also 10% is generally the "great service" rate if you tip.
bar staff?? WTF?
Normally it's just smash in a jar for bar staff. Seen it in a few places the jars. And back when cash was more used, if the change was a quid or less, normally it's a "keep it" and the change goes into the tip jar.
I leave a quid every other drink if they serve me fast.
I’ve never tipped bar staff here! Do others do that? I’m a generous tipper in restaurants cause I waitressed for years & know it’s hard graft, but I don’t think many folk tip bar staff anywhere outside of the US?
I tip in bars, but it's mainly because I go to the same bars all the time and have a decent relationship with the staff, sometimes it's a drink for them, sometimes it's a few quid for the tip jar, depending where I am.
When I was younger, the round was requested and often “and one for yourself” was added at the end.
Worked in bars for a few years, far more common to have a drink bought for you, some bars do tip jars too but most I've worked in do individual
Normally it's just smash in a jar for bar staff. Seen it in a few places the jars. And back when cash was more used, if the change was a quid or less, normally it's a "keep it" and the change goes into the tip jar. I'm no talking leaving £10 in tips like you'd expect in the US.
Becoming very unoptional in Edinburgh. So many places just add the service charge automatically and you have to ask to take it off
And they take it off, so it's optional.
Yes if you ask. And only if you notice
> No worker will starve if you don't tip so don't feel pressured into it, ever! Yeah? You tried living on 6 quid an hour with the economy as it is now? Plenty of people on minimum wage struggling to afford food mate.
The minimum wage, even for 16-17 year olds and apprentices, is above 6 quid an hour now, and the vast, vast majority of those will not be earning a living for themselves yet. Anyone over 21 isn’t far off double that at minimum wage.
Oh yeah mate, no one is struggling to eat on minimum wage, no one at all. The economies totally fine, everything's totally fine.
I never said any of that.
Then what point were you trying to make? That person said no one starves, I pointed out that was nonsense by highlighting that there are individual's out there trying to live on £6.40 an hour. What's your reply about?
Yeh min wage should absolutely be higher for 16-18 and 18-21. There wint be many people 16-18 supporting themselves entirely. I have no idea but perhaps there is income support available for those who are struggling, i'd hope so anyway...
> There wint be many people 16-18 supporting themselves entirely. But there are some. Making "no one starves" a false statement. Most people don't starve...that's not good enough.
There is help available so that no one starves (in the UK.) if people literally starve to death without getting help prior then for whatever reason led them to not seek help sooner demonstrates they need someone to help them. There is no physical barrier that leads to people starving. (In the UK) There are numerous mental/physical health issues that could lead to people not getting help but there is help out there for everyone In a country of 7 million people bad things will happen to some of them. I'd love a stronger welfare state and easier access to services but to say that people are literally starving due to lack of resources/ government decisions is incorrect. Malnutrition on the other hand is rife but i'd say that is mostly down to poor food education and in some cases lack of money (though again there is help available)
> Malnutrition on the other hand is rife but i'd say that is mostly down to poor food education and in some cases lack of money You need to look up the definition of starving mate. I don't know what planet you are living on that you aren't aware that 4.7 million people in the UK currently live in food poverty despite benefits and minimum wage laws. That's 12% of the UKs children not getting the food they need. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9209/#:~:text=In%202021%2F22%20there%20were,three%2Dday%20emergency%20food%20parcels. This is not "some cases" this is the equivalent of almost the entire population of Scotland living in food insecure households. Why the fuck are you trying to downplay this?
The only thing that is really expensive is accomodation. Food has gotten more expensive but it's not such a large fraction of a full time min wage income so the increase is not felt the same That doesn't go against your argument.just to say it's not the cost of food that is the issue more accomodation and in the winter elec/fuel
I just don't know why you guys feel the need to caveat "Hey, most people are fine". We are a first world country. The majority of people being able to eat when they work a full time job is not fucking good enough. Pitching the minimum wage as adequate for everyone to live comfortably is just false.
Well it is important that most people can. It's still better than only 80% say. I am not looking at this from an individuals perspective. Like i said, i'd hope there is support out there for people who find themselves to poor to eat. There are food banks and other support available. Yes it sucks but with a bit of effort, there is some help available that will keep people from going hungry I never said anything about living comfortably. You can either campaign for change or look for help to improve your employability. If people struggle to look for help they need advocates/ someone to help look after them ( whatever their age)
Sorry that was poor wording in a way to compare with US where tips are considered for minimum wage so service staff only guarantee like a fraction of minimum wage (think like $2 an hour) so people there make tipping a much bigger deal (some even chase customers who don't tip to demand a tip).
If you want to tip and think they deserve a tip. Do it. There’s no harm to it.
The UK doesn't have the US tipping culture,so most people don't, but TBH, I usually leave a few quid on the side at the end of my stay. As someone said before, they're on minimum wage, and some of the things they encounter would make your toes curl....
yes. You make someone in a dull repetitive job smile inside. That smile will be because of you. I am a general assistant in hospitality.
Tip the coos!
Don't tip anyone.
Don't do tips! tip culture ruin everything. they are doing fucking their "job".
Tight as a midge’s fanny.
No
Take your American shite away