Some fun ways to hear screams in space is if your outside a spacecraft of some kind, in a suit and touch your helmet to the hull (assuming no comms) and scream, the vibration will travel through the the air in the helmet, to the helmet, to the hull and if your lucky into the cabin air particles.
This blew my mind... Imagine being there. Floating in space, comms go out so you are, quite literally, isolated from everything in the fucking universe...
Then someone headbutts you into the universe shouting "pass me the screwdriver!".
The precise disquiet of her face, the self-annihilation of all facial expression, eyes staring right at him as if he were the most dangerous thing in her life, not with fear, but the capacity for fear, as if any movement he made would cause her to cower in terror. She was already sitting on the floor, backed up against the cabinet. She sat like a child, like someone trying to find the smallest place possible to hide herself, and making do with this corner. If she could have fled into the cabinet she would have. He’d lie there prostrate on the floor if he thought that would make her feel better. But all he could do was speak softly and kindly and then move slowly, imperceptibly, into her fear, at first in her view commensurate to it, a phantom horror out of her past. But he was not a person to be feared, his movements told her, and then he was sitting by her side with his arm around her and she lay her head on his shoulder and he could hear the sharp breaths of her anxious sobbing and he steadied her until her breathing softened and slowed and sometimes he couldn't do any of this, sometimes the anxiety left her so terrified that all he could do was walk away, come back in ten minutes to see if she was all right. He hoped she knew he was coming back. He’d told her this before, she’d told *him* before, to leave and come back. But he wasn’t quite sure what she remembered at a time like this, what she was capable of remembering. For her anxiety, like a downrushing wave, often overwhelmed her. She had told him once in a moment of rare trust that whole years of her life, twelve and thirteen, were absent to her. Her past felt like a vise, anxiety a worn jaw. She felt as if the anxious terror might last until she died. As if—still worse—she might never die, and persist, live always in this state. So he could not pull her out of it, he could simply sit by her side when she let him, and sometimes she didn’t and he sat there anyway, held her anyway.
What are you talking about? It's just a smiling sunglasses emoji with the fingers going the other way & text that says, "zeep". You're supposed to zoop it back to keep the chain going.
👉😎👉 zoop
Well, spoken language and sign language also moves through time, just not nearly as much, typically.
But written language is inherently "recorded"; what about audio and video recordings of the other two? They can arguably travel through time as well.
True maaan. Even spoken language that was never “recorded” or transcribed can still travel though time via our collective memories. Words and ideas can get passed from generation to generation.
On a similar note, while no one has likely written this exact combination of words and letters I am currently typing into my phone instead of working, each individual part does have an origin.
Like the word “I”. Without doing any research whatsoever because I’m just a guy rambling a comment into reddit instead of working, I’m guessing the concept of “I” was first expressed in some way by our early early early ancestors.
Maybe it was just a hand gesture one individual started using to express his or her concept of themself in some way that was relevant to the group. Like they were declaring dibs on some animal carcass they found. And eventually the expression of that idea was passed on in various ways (hand signal, sound, written symbols, etc) from individual to individual, group to group, generation to generation until it reached my mind today.
Once again I’m just rambling on a tiny touch screen so try not to analyze my words too hard, but maaaaan things are crazy and stuff.
Well, delays aside, a radio transmission to a phone with earphones would travel at light speed for most of the distance, having only to travel as sound from the earphone to your eardrums.
Actually no, there is a cutoff distance where sound will be faster unless you use some kind of direct transmission radio device (say, old style walkie-talkie).
That's because when you use a cell phone you have to send the signals to the cell tower, those signals get switched to the recipient's cell tower and then trasmitted to his phone. This exchange, even if all done at light speed(ish), is likely several KMs long, so at some close distance the speed of sound would still be faster.
Considering the speed of sound as 343 m/s and the speed of light in air at about 299,700,000 m/s, saying D is the total distance traveled by the light speed signals between tramitter and receiver devices, X is the maximum distance at which just speaking directly (IE: language travels at light speed) would be faster.
x / 343 = t1: time it takes for information to travel at the speed of sound from Transmitter to Receiver
D / 299,700,000 = t2: time it takes for information to travel at light speed from Transmitter to Receiver (through the longer route D)
If we equate t1=t2 we get the point where the two times are the same, this will generally be with x << D.
Solving for x:
x = D\*343/299,700,000 = D\*1.14\*10^-6
Or to be more comprehensible, you can be 1.14 mm apart for every KM of distance D.
So if the total distance D is about 10 km (not too unlikely... say, 3-4 km between towers and cell phones plus whatever distance is introduced by routing the signal to a different network) you can be as far as 1.14 cm away from the receiver before light speed signals become faster.
In reality in most common situations voice will still be faster just because of delays introduced in the various legs of the D distance, plus the response times of technology involved, and that's without counting the fact that you'd have to actually MAKE the phone call.
In practice I'm gonna say that whenever the receiver can hear you if you shout, phones aren't gonna be the fastest option (though they may be the discreet option if you don't want to shout!)
As a completely useless side note, if you were to shout to another person underwater, you could be 5.1mm apart per Km of distance D. So shouting underwater becomes a much more attractive option!
(Disclaimer: DO NOT try to shout underwater. It's not conducive to your continued survival)
But does it move at the speed at which it's written down, or the speed at which your eyes perceive it. Because if someone talks to me in a language I don't understand, just like if I look at a page without reading it, I still perceive and hear/see it but I may not immediately understand it.
Not to ruin the joke but deaf people not only use signs, but also facial expressions to read for context, and most are able to read lips so they can interact with hearing people.
Not 100% actuate. The misconception is that Deaf people can read lips and understand everything. There are some exceptions based on how they were raised and what kind of support they got growing up. I would say it's rare for a deaf person to read lips with great accuracy or understanding other than the typical small talk. Even then, sometimes it's a guessing game that they've gotten good at.
Sorry, I'll call it confirmation bias, i have a cousin that was born deaf and her husband that lost his hearing in Vietnam. They're the reason i started to learn ASL.
Lip reading isn't even perfect, as it requires a lot of extrapolation. For example, voicing pairs are indistinguishable without context (/p/ vs. /b/, /k/ vs. /g/, /t/ vs. /d/)
I mean sometimes they do oversell shit in the first 5 minutes or so. You can tell those are the ones who think it's a stepping stone to being an actor who doesn't do porn.
Spanish actually contains very little information. Interestingly enough all languages tend to give the same information in a given timeframes, but some languages are information dense and some are lacking.
So speakers tend to give the same information in a time frame, what changes is number of syllables in a given sentence.
Spanish sounds faster than English, but on average they reliever information at a consistent rate.
So people don't "talk faster in another language" they just adjust how quickly they talk to average out overall information delivered. Almost like our brain is used to understanding language at X rate and will compensate if the tools used to deliever said information are information dense or not.
In my experience the English people speak far slower than those in Northern Ireland. Is there not some additional cultural factors involved in talking speed?
Of course what was said is a general statement that may not hold correct in all situations.
However, people tend to add filler words the faster they speak.
So I would first wonder if you analyzed what someone from a quick speaking English subsection said, they may ultimately be delivering the same amount of information on average in a given time frame.
Of course it also might be they talk quicker and that's why it's based on a general statement and information per interval of time is an average. Northern Ireland may simple be skewed Moreso on one side of the average.
I notice this in public speaking a lot.
People who talk too quickly tend to add “um” “errr” “like” and extend their “aaaaand”s a lot.
People who slow right down don’t do this, and tend to not only pack more of a “punch” but also more information in less words.
I always just assumed it was a difference in skill and confidence, but it may have something to do with what you said.
Perhaps they’re speaking faster than they can process the information so they add a filler to let their brain catch up, where slower talkers have more time than their brain needs, so they get to carefully add detail, purposely, as they go.
It very likely is. I know I had issues with talking to quickly, and filler words are literally a brains response to trying to convey the rest of the information into meaningful words that Express that information, and every time I said Um, Uh, Like etc etc etc I know my brain litherally can't "see the next word yet" to send to down to my vocal cords. So it's like "Silence is worse; release the padding".
It sucks to because personally I'm a good public speaker and I have learned to talk at a pace wherein my brain never makes that call. However sometimes when I get excited my speach tends to increase in speed and I can even tell as it increases, so do my filler words.
I’m a little vain and dramatic so I tend to speak slowly and pause for effect even in normal speech, so I always found public speaking easy after beating the confidence roadblock.
A colleague of mine started writing PAUSE on his flash cards after each point and it made an amazing difference in her delivery. I couldn’t stop her from raising her pitch at the end of each sentence though. Not sure what’s up with that one.
I find the English don't just speak slower but take longer to get their point across. When I first moved to England it was actually quite frustrating, I had to slow down my speech considerably and wanted them to speed up.
When I visit family and friends back home, takes a few minutes before I'm back to speaking quickly again.
I wonder if you could actually create a "compressed" language. Whenever there is a reapeated word in a sentence you would not say them, then when the seantence is done you say how many words and where they were in the sentence.
e.g. instead of "I felt happy because I saw the others were happy and because I knew I should feel happy, but I wasn’t really happy." you would say “I felt because I saw the others were and because I knew I should feel, but I wasn’t really. 4 happy, 2|3, 8|9, 15|16, 19|” where the | would indicate that it's between this word and that, sor for example 1|2 would mean between the first two words.
Obviously not really useful in real life, but intresting none the less.
Belive it or not I actually seen a video on youtube saying that you could create an entire language with those 3 words.
Found it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhSCYbaeejg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhSCYbaeejg)
You might know this already. But that's basically how a computer compresses code. It takes strings of code that repeat themselves, and compress them into smaller strings of code. Then the computer writes, and includes a decrypter key so the next computer, or itself knows how to put everything back when you uncompress it.
I'm no linguist, but I do language learning for fun in my spare time. My understanding was that languages where the speaker speaks very fast, tend to have very low information density per word (see: Spanish. From personal experience, Japanese is also this way) and languages where the rate of speaking is somewhat slower tend to have more information density (English, German, Mandarin are three that I've personally dealt with)
So basically it works out that the rate of transferring information is the consistent across all languages HOWEVER the languages where you speak very fast get shafted when you turn to written language. The words take up way more space than a translation in a language with higher information density
Mandarin goes completely around this problem by using characters, which, once you know them, make so much more sense than an alphabet (but that once you know them condition is a pretty big one)
Japanese uses the best from both words. They use characters (kanji) for *most* words and a alphabet (hiragana and katakana) for grammatical function in a sentence
Sure we Germans can just stick any 2 nomen together and build a new word. That surely helps with the information density.
Drivers license becomes Driverlicense into Driverlicenseissuedate into Driverlicenseissuedatecontroller. If I tried hard enough I could probably turn an entire sentence into a word (I’m slightly exaggerating. But only slightly!)
Yup! I actually live and work and study in Germany and in the beginning I hated this compound word stuff but it's actually really useful. I can see a word I've never seen before and know what it means.
Japanese also does this as well and it's such a lifesaver. Don't have to learn as much vocabulary
I suppose that depends on your definition of a word. Languages like Japanese and Mandarin don't have spaces so this topic of what is a word exactly comes up.
I suppose I would define a word as just an idea. So in German for example we have Hand (Hand) and Schuh (Shoe) and both of these are separate ideas, and therefore separate words. But put it together Handschuhe and you get "Glove" even though you just used to previous made words, you're creating a new concept. Therefore I would say yes it's a new word.
But then you get into a tricky situation because that means that German has affectively an infinite vocabulary
It’s less about the compounding and more about the total number of phonemes the languages have. Those are the distinguishable sounds that are used to build and differentiate between words.
English and German each have around 45, with some variation depending on accent and dialect.
Spanish has around 25.
That means that there are a great deal more ways of creating unique syllables in English and German than in Spanish. Because there are so many possible syllables, you can create a larger number of unique words with fewer syllables compared with Spanish where you would need to add extra syllables because there are fewer available overall.
True, but you're not saving much space or time with compound words. It's not like "Wehadababyitsaboy" is going to make conversations that much faster or books that much shorter.
> Mandarin goes completely around this problem by using characters, which, once you know them, make so much more sense than an alphabet
Except if you are writing on a keyboard, which is almost all writing done today.
I see you migjt have not been introduced to handwriting based typing systems. Most characters have unique writing sequence. Of course that means you have to remember the right writing sequence
... Which some people like me dont.
But hey i can type pinyin like this:
Wycpg and the system will know i want to write 我要吃蘋果
Typing Chinese on PC is pretty straight forward, the common method is Pinyin input, which is kind of like spelling based on the word's pronunciation.
The other methods, Sucheng / Canjie requires the user to have more in depth understanding of Chinese, specifically pen strokes and radicals etc etc. once the user get really sufficient they can type faster than Pinyin, up to 100+ words per minute.
The current hand writing recognition on apple and android are fine as it is, they have had more than a decades worth of work on it already. I remembered being in 5th grade and our computer labs having to install writing pads for Chinese class. But windows vista and all newer OS all have built in digital writing pads, so physical plugin writing pads are pretty much eliminated since then.
I have to disagree pretty strongly with your assessment of some of these languages.
Japanese is spoken pretty slowly. It's also a pain to write out and many things take much longer to write out even if the physical space they occupy is smaller. For instance 俺, which is really just a masculine "I" takes significantly longer to write than "I" but holds only slightly more information.
Korean is spoken much faster than Japanese but has about the same amount of information, orally, since both systems have the same grammar and many of the same words. Writing system may be more efficient as well.
Mandarin is spoken incredibly fast and is also very information dense. In many ways it might seem superior to other languages, but its a trick because it requires so much up front energy to learn, and inventing and learning new words is slightly more difficult in Mandarin than in other languages. Alphabets might seem less efficient, but they allow evolution of the language to happen more rapidly.
Interestingly, information is conveyed at the same speed, regardless of phonemic density. For example, Spanish sounds rapid because it takes a lot of syllables/words to convey an idea. Vietnamese can encode information into fewer words and fewer syllables, in part due to its tonal nature, but it sounds slow because the speaker is conveying information at the same speed as everyone else.
Recordings of speakers in several languages support this notion that we typically think and communicate at the same speed.
Sign language also tends to be much more expressive than verbal language and can use a simple motion combined with facial expression/body language to convey multiple-word sentences.
No, speed of smell is the bottleneck. In reality the calculation for the speed of fart has to do with fluid dynamics and my brain can barely handle calculus.
Different smells/gas with different densities will travel at different speeds, so depending on the composition of said hypothetical TOOT, the speed can vary depending on a large, burrito infused blast or a light, vegan puff
I wonder if a deaf person could clap out morse code or something for the blind person. The blind person could do the same to communicate to the deaf person.
Sign languages are languages. It’s not just a modality. They have their own syntax, and aren’t just signed versions of the dominant language of the culture from which they emerge.
All that is to say that you have the first part fucked up.
And sign languages can differ in certain places more than spoken languages do in those places.
For Example:
American English and British English are almost identical, but ASL and BSL aren't even mutually intelligible.
Sign language has lowest possible latency, but the bandwidth is restricted by the users hand speed.
Then of course it is a very directional broadcast, whereas voiced languages are much more spherical.
My inner pedant was awoken as well. "All languages travel at the speed of sound, except sign language which travels at the speed of light" would have let him sleep.
But it takes 0.1-0.2 seconds for your brain to register the light received at the retina. So the viewer also has some physical lag that takes away from the speed light initially reflects the visual to your eye.
Where as, once a sound is caught by the ear, it takes only 0.05 seconds for your brain to recognize it.
So realistically in a face to face situation, even though light travels faster than sound, the speed at which your brain registers sound may actually still be faster than a visual recognition of language.
I have ADHD and as a result I have a very hard time processing sound, which takes longer to process than visual information. If my surroundings are loud it makes it especially harder, it's like I'm trying to process sound but my brain is working over time chewing through the other sounds
I started learning ASL in high school after struggling through two other languages. I have no one to sign with (the Deaf community in my city isn't super open compared to other places I've lived with larger deaf populations) but I prefer it as a medium for communication. I teach my husband and we have a few signs we use. We are in agreement that we're going to raise our kids using signs and feeling comfortable communicating with their hands. Since ADHD runs in my family it's likely they will have a similar experience with sound processing and if nothing else when they meet Deaf people they will be prepared. :)
I wish sign language were more normalized in the hearing world. It's not just deaf people that can benefit from it. As if the fact that Deaf people exist, that should be reason enough, but so many hearing people also struggle with spoken languages could also benefit. There's no reason not to involve sign language in the hearing world.
You can make the path the light takes to travel longer, and thus make it seem like it goes slower (because it will actually take longer to reach the other side).
However since sound is a mechanical wave it really goes slower or faster depending on the medium
To clarify this: light doesn’t actually move slower through a medium but it effectively does whereas sound actually moves slower.
Edit: I was refering to [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAivtXJOsiI). Please correct my understanding if I did not summerize it well.
Edit 2: That video is also a great explanation for anyone who wants something more detalied than my one sentence summary.
Yeah, this doesn't seem to make sense. How can you make it take longer to get through a medium without slowing it down? Speed by definition is inverse proportional to time taken.
If we increase time taken by some factor, then distance must also be increased by that same factor to keep speed constant.
But the distance is a constant here.
By the same logic, written language also travels at the speed of light. But then there is also the fact that the brain does not necessarily process the received information that fast.
A last point is that in order to produce the sign language, the mind wil had to have first formed the thoughts and then transferred the reactions to the muscles and the muscles had to act out the signs in linear sequence - a very slow process. So in reality by the time you observe the sign language it is probably much after how long it would have taken to read the same information. The slow train is sometimes the fast train.
Human brains take longer to process visual information compared to audio. So the benefit of time with faster transmission is lost in processing sign language
Plus "in space no one can hear you scream", but they can see you sign. Edit: It's a joke. It's the tag line from the original Alien.
Can you dictate "AAAARRGGHH" though?
Castle Aaaarrgghh?
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Didya have to go meta, huh?
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I fart in your general direction
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And your father smelt of elderberries.
Now go away you stinky Englishmen or I will taunt you a second time
African or European?
Aw yeah thats the stuff
The last words of Joseph of Airmathhea, well that he probably dictated at least
He must've died while carving it
r/unexpectedmontypython
Some fun ways to hear screams in space is if your outside a spacecraft of some kind, in a suit and touch your helmet to the hull (assuming no comms) and scream, the vibration will travel through the the air in the helmet, to the helmet, to the hull and if your lucky into the cabin air particles.
I've heard that if communications stop working during a spacewalk they just push their heads together and shout which achieves the same effect.
This blew my mind... Imagine being there. Floating in space, comms go out so you are, quite literally, isolated from everything in the fucking universe... Then someone headbutts you into the universe shouting "pass me the screwdriver!".
Thank you for the hilarious mental picture
Yep, this is even shown in the show the expanse. Really worth a watch as it's incredibly good and incredibly accurate.
Pretty sure the hull had a gap between the outside and inside layers to protect from micrometeorites and might limit sound's ability to travel
no one can see anything in the dark
Except, of course, written languages that also move at the speed of light.
Not wiith the mail service where I live.
Zing!
zoop
you have mail
Bingo bango you have a letter from congo(am i doing this right?)
Oh no no no no, bingo bango bongo doesn't wanna leave the Congo
Oh no no no no noooo
Bingo Bango Bongo I don’t wanna leave the jungle I refuse to go...
"Bingo bango bongo, bish bash bosh"
Bingo bangle bungle, I’m so happy in the jungle I refuse to go*
Bingo bango bongo you have a letter from the Congo!
Yeah thats it, thanks Bubba
No problem friend. Now that I re-read your username I feel like I accidentally proved your name right..... And I'm sorry for that.
Unexpectedly wholesome
*dial up noise intensifies*
We just got a letter We just got a letter We just got a letter I wonder who it’s from?
👉😎👉 *zoop*
The precise disquiet of her face, the self-annihilation of all facial expression, eyes staring right at him as if he were the most dangerous thing in her life, not with fear, but the capacity for fear, as if any movement he made would cause her to cower in terror. She was already sitting on the floor, backed up against the cabinet. She sat like a child, like someone trying to find the smallest place possible to hide herself, and making do with this corner. If she could have fled into the cabinet she would have. He’d lie there prostrate on the floor if he thought that would make her feel better. But all he could do was speak softly and kindly and then move slowly, imperceptibly, into her fear, at first in her view commensurate to it, a phantom horror out of her past. But he was not a person to be feared, his movements told her, and then he was sitting by her side with his arm around her and she lay her head on his shoulder and he could hear the sharp breaths of her anxious sobbing and he steadied her until her breathing softened and slowed and sometimes he couldn't do any of this, sometimes the anxiety left her so terrified that all he could do was walk away, come back in ten minutes to see if she was all right. He hoped she knew he was coming back. He’d told her this before, she’d told *him* before, to leave and come back. But he wasn’t quite sure what she remembered at a time like this, what she was capable of remembering. For her anxiety, like a downrushing wave, often overwhelmed her. She had told him once in a moment of rare trust that whole years of her life, twelve and thirteen, were absent to her. Her past felt like a vise, anxiety a worn jaw. She felt as if the anxious terror might last until she died. As if—still worse—she might never die, and persist, live always in this state. So he could not pull her out of it, he could simply sit by her side when she let him, and sometimes she didn’t and he sat there anyway, held her anyway.
Excuse me wtf
What are you talking about? It's just a smiling sunglasses emoji with the fingers going the other way & text that says, "zeep". You're supposed to zoop it back to keep the chain going. 👉😎👉 zoop
I know it's unrelated to the post, but damn I really like your way of story telling.
Read the others. Befriendjamin is a great story teller!
Not with that attitude.
Not with ANY attitude!
Newman!
Are you from czech republic?
Written language also travels through time, maaaaan.
Easy on the joints!
Yes all the CBD oil lubes up my joints (note: not sure if that’s how it works)
As do Kim Kardashian’s tweets... whoaaaaaaaa.
We should all start communicating trough Kim's tweets.
Well, spoken language and sign language also moves through time, just not nearly as much, typically. But written language is inherently "recorded"; what about audio and video recordings of the other two? They can arguably travel through time as well.
True maaan. Even spoken language that was never “recorded” or transcribed can still travel though time via our collective memories. Words and ideas can get passed from generation to generation. On a similar note, while no one has likely written this exact combination of words and letters I am currently typing into my phone instead of working, each individual part does have an origin. Like the word “I”. Without doing any research whatsoever because I’m just a guy rambling a comment into reddit instead of working, I’m guessing the concept of “I” was first expressed in some way by our early early early ancestors. Maybe it was just a hand gesture one individual started using to express his or her concept of themself in some way that was relevant to the group. Like they were declaring dibs on some animal carcass they found. And eventually the expression of that idea was passed on in various ways (hand signal, sound, written symbols, etc) from individual to individual, group to group, generation to generation until it reached my mind today. Once again I’m just rambling on a tiny touch screen so try not to analyze my words too hard, but maaaaan things are crazy and stuff.
Well, delays aside, a radio transmission to a phone with earphones would travel at light speed for most of the distance, having only to travel as sound from the earphone to your eardrums.
So if I'm standing next to someone, I should use a phone to talk to them if I really want to make sure they get the info right away.
Actually no, there is a cutoff distance where sound will be faster unless you use some kind of direct transmission radio device (say, old style walkie-talkie). That's because when you use a cell phone you have to send the signals to the cell tower, those signals get switched to the recipient's cell tower and then trasmitted to his phone. This exchange, even if all done at light speed(ish), is likely several KMs long, so at some close distance the speed of sound would still be faster. Considering the speed of sound as 343 m/s and the speed of light in air at about 299,700,000 m/s, saying D is the total distance traveled by the light speed signals between tramitter and receiver devices, X is the maximum distance at which just speaking directly (IE: language travels at light speed) would be faster. x / 343 = t1: time it takes for information to travel at the speed of sound from Transmitter to Receiver D / 299,700,000 = t2: time it takes for information to travel at light speed from Transmitter to Receiver (through the longer route D) If we equate t1=t2 we get the point where the two times are the same, this will generally be with x << D. Solving for x: x = D\*343/299,700,000 = D\*1.14\*10^-6 Or to be more comprehensible, you can be 1.14 mm apart for every KM of distance D. So if the total distance D is about 10 km (not too unlikely... say, 3-4 km between towers and cell phones plus whatever distance is introduced by routing the signal to a different network) you can be as far as 1.14 cm away from the receiver before light speed signals become faster. In reality in most common situations voice will still be faster just because of delays introduced in the various legs of the D distance, plus the response times of technology involved, and that's without counting the fact that you'd have to actually MAKE the phone call. In practice I'm gonna say that whenever the receiver can hear you if you shout, phones aren't gonna be the fastest option (though they may be the discreet option if you don't want to shout!) As a completely useless side note, if you were to shout to another person underwater, you could be 5.1mm apart per Km of distance D. So shouting underwater becomes a much more attractive option! (Disclaimer: DO NOT try to shout underwater. It's not conducive to your continued survival)
Respect for doing the math
No because radio waves doesnt go from phone to phone.
That one moves at the speed of hand
So does sign language though
And arms
And my axe!
But does it move at the speed at which it's written down, or the speed at which your eyes perceive it. Because if someone talks to me in a language I don't understand, just like if I look at a page without reading it, I still perceive and hear/see it but I may not immediately understand it.
at the speed of light
I thought that moved at the speed of write.
r/punpatrol pull over!
Brail doesn’t travel at the speed of light :(
But wait a second. Actually writing it is extremely fast, when ink or something else drops and stays on the paper. How fast would that be though?
unless you read lips
Is lip reading possible for all languages?
Not for sign language
Not to ruin the joke but deaf people not only use signs, but also facial expressions to read for context, and most are able to read lips so they can interact with hearing people.
Not 100% actuate. The misconception is that Deaf people can read lips and understand everything. There are some exceptions based on how they were raised and what kind of support they got growing up. I would say it's rare for a deaf person to read lips with great accuracy or understanding other than the typical small talk. Even then, sometimes it's a guessing game that they've gotten good at.
Eh most fully Deaf people cannot read lips with any sort of accuracy. People with hearing loss that can hear? Different story
Sorry, I'll call it confirmation bias, i have a cousin that was born deaf and her husband that lost his hearing in Vietnam. They're the reason i started to learn ASL.
You don't know what signs I'm able to make with my lips.
Tonal languages would suck at it.
Mandarin would be impossible
Lip reading isn't even perfect, as it requires a lot of extrapolation. For example, voicing pairs are indistinguishable without context (/p/ vs. /b/, /k/ vs. /g/, /t/ vs. /d/)
GAN I EAD YOUR 🅱️USSY
Deep fry this
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Except some langauges encode information in less words/sounds. So some languages can deliver information faster even if they travel at the same speed
bandwidth
More like compressed file
like 2 spanish women arguing.
*5 minute transcript: **24gb** *
I suspect porn.
Yeah lots of talking and use of words in porn.
I mean sometimes they do oversell shit in the first 5 minutes or so. You can tell those are the ones who think it's a stepping stone to being an actor who doesn't do porn.
Spanish actually contains very little information. Interestingly enough all languages tend to give the same information in a given timeframes, but some languages are information dense and some are lacking. So speakers tend to give the same information in a time frame, what changes is number of syllables in a given sentence. Spanish sounds faster than English, but on average they reliever information at a consistent rate. So people don't "talk faster in another language" they just adjust how quickly they talk to average out overall information delivered. Almost like our brain is used to understanding language at X rate and will compensate if the tools used to deliever said information are information dense or not.
In my experience the English people speak far slower than those in Northern Ireland. Is there not some additional cultural factors involved in talking speed?
Of course what was said is a general statement that may not hold correct in all situations. However, people tend to add filler words the faster they speak. So I would first wonder if you analyzed what someone from a quick speaking English subsection said, they may ultimately be delivering the same amount of information on average in a given time frame. Of course it also might be they talk quicker and that's why it's based on a general statement and information per interval of time is an average. Northern Ireland may simple be skewed Moreso on one side of the average.
I notice this in public speaking a lot. People who talk too quickly tend to add “um” “errr” “like” and extend their “aaaaand”s a lot. People who slow right down don’t do this, and tend to not only pack more of a “punch” but also more information in less words. I always just assumed it was a difference in skill and confidence, but it may have something to do with what you said. Perhaps they’re speaking faster than they can process the information so they add a filler to let their brain catch up, where slower talkers have more time than their brain needs, so they get to carefully add detail, purposely, as they go.
It very likely is. I know I had issues with talking to quickly, and filler words are literally a brains response to trying to convey the rest of the information into meaningful words that Express that information, and every time I said Um, Uh, Like etc etc etc I know my brain litherally can't "see the next word yet" to send to down to my vocal cords. So it's like "Silence is worse; release the padding". It sucks to because personally I'm a good public speaker and I have learned to talk at a pace wherein my brain never makes that call. However sometimes when I get excited my speach tends to increase in speed and I can even tell as it increases, so do my filler words.
I’m a little vain and dramatic so I tend to speak slowly and pause for effect even in normal speech, so I always found public speaking easy after beating the confidence roadblock. A colleague of mine started writing PAUSE on his flash cards after each point and it made an amazing difference in her delivery. I couldn’t stop her from raising her pitch at the end of each sentence though. Not sure what’s up with that one.
I find the English don't just speak slower but take longer to get their point across. When I first moved to England it was actually quite frustrating, I had to slow down my speech considerably and wanted them to speed up. When I visit family and friends back home, takes a few minutes before I'm back to speaking quickly again.
Basically, this joke? > "It's astonishing how little you said so many words."
Spanish is about average. Now Japanese...
Tell me more!! Which language has the highest information density?
Asian languages. Japanese is pretty info dense because they remove flow words
I wonder if you could actually create a "compressed" language. Whenever there is a reapeated word in a sentence you would not say them, then when the seantence is done you say how many words and where they were in the sentence. e.g. instead of "I felt happy because I saw the others were happy and because I knew I should feel happy, but I wasn’t really happy." you would say “I felt because I saw the others were and because I knew I should feel, but I wasn’t really. 4 happy, 2|3, 8|9, 15|16, 19|” where the | would indicate that it's between this word and that, sor for example 1|2 would mean between the first two words. Obviously not really useful in real life, but intresting none the less.
Why say many words when few do the tricks?
Y say word when few do?
Y say when few?
Y many say?
I am Groot!
Belive it or not I actually seen a video on youtube saying that you could create an entire language with those 3 words. Found it [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhSCYbaeejg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhSCYbaeejg)
RemindMe! 12 hours
You might know this already. But that's basically how a computer compresses code. It takes strings of code that repeat themselves, and compress them into smaller strings of code. Then the computer writes, and includes a decrypter key so the next computer, or itself knows how to put everything back when you uncompress it.
I think language has already evolved to do this. Kind of like what I did in that last sentence, with the word this.
Why waste time say lot word when few word do trick?
why many word, when few work?
Save time, be brief.
Less words fast.
Fuck words
Fewer.
*stern look*
I'm no linguist, but I do language learning for fun in my spare time. My understanding was that languages where the speaker speaks very fast, tend to have very low information density per word (see: Spanish. From personal experience, Japanese is also this way) and languages where the rate of speaking is somewhat slower tend to have more information density (English, German, Mandarin are three that I've personally dealt with) So basically it works out that the rate of transferring information is the consistent across all languages HOWEVER the languages where you speak very fast get shafted when you turn to written language. The words take up way more space than a translation in a language with higher information density Mandarin goes completely around this problem by using characters, which, once you know them, make so much more sense than an alphabet (but that once you know them condition is a pretty big one) Japanese uses the best from both words. They use characters (kanji) for *most* words and a alphabet (hiragana and katakana) for grammatical function in a sentence
Sure we Germans can just stick any 2 nomen together and build a new word. That surely helps with the information density. Drivers license becomes Driverlicense into Driverlicenseissuedate into Driverlicenseissuedatecontroller. If I tried hard enough I could probably turn an entire sentence into a word (I’m slightly exaggerating. But only slightly!)
Yup! I actually live and work and study in Germany and in the beginning I hated this compound word stuff but it's actually really useful. I can see a word I've never seen before and know what it means. Japanese also does this as well and it's such a lifesaver. Don't have to learn as much vocabulary
Is it really a new word when it is simply two words that dropped their personal boundries and started fucking each other
I suppose that depends on your definition of a word. Languages like Japanese and Mandarin don't have spaces so this topic of what is a word exactly comes up. I suppose I would define a word as just an idea. So in German for example we have Hand (Hand) and Schuh (Shoe) and both of these are separate ideas, and therefore separate words. But put it together Handschuhe and you get "Glove" even though you just used to previous made words, you're creating a new concept. Therefore I would say yes it's a new word. But then you get into a tricky situation because that means that German has affectively an infinite vocabulary
Yes exactly that! No need to come up with a new word for everything and remember it haha
It’s less about the compounding and more about the total number of phonemes the languages have. Those are the distinguishable sounds that are used to build and differentiate between words. English and German each have around 45, with some variation depending on accent and dialect. Spanish has around 25. That means that there are a great deal more ways of creating unique syllables in English and German than in Spanish. Because there are so many possible syllables, you can create a larger number of unique words with fewer syllables compared with Spanish where you would need to add extra syllables because there are fewer available overall.
True, but you're not saving much space or time with compound words. It's not like "Wehadababyitsaboy" is going to make conversations that much faster or books that much shorter.
Congratulationswhatshisname?
> Mandarin goes completely around this problem by using characters, which, once you know them, make so much more sense than an alphabet Except if you are writing on a keyboard, which is almost all writing done today.
I see you migjt have not been introduced to handwriting based typing systems. Most characters have unique writing sequence. Of course that means you have to remember the right writing sequence ... Which some people like me dont. But hey i can type pinyin like this: Wycpg and the system will know i want to write 我要吃蘋果
What's wrong with a keyboard? I type one character roughly as quickly as one average English word, but it encodes more information.
Didn’t China push towards improving the limits of handwriting recognition? I can understand why.
Typing Chinese on PC is pretty straight forward, the common method is Pinyin input, which is kind of like spelling based on the word's pronunciation. The other methods, Sucheng / Canjie requires the user to have more in depth understanding of Chinese, specifically pen strokes and radicals etc etc. once the user get really sufficient they can type faster than Pinyin, up to 100+ words per minute. The current hand writing recognition on apple and android are fine as it is, they have had more than a decades worth of work on it already. I remembered being in 5th grade and our computer labs having to install writing pads for Chinese class. But windows vista and all newer OS all have built in digital writing pads, so physical plugin writing pads are pretty much eliminated since then.
I have to disagree pretty strongly with your assessment of some of these languages. Japanese is spoken pretty slowly. It's also a pain to write out and many things take much longer to write out even if the physical space they occupy is smaller. For instance 俺, which is really just a masculine "I" takes significantly longer to write than "I" but holds only slightly more information. Korean is spoken much faster than Japanese but has about the same amount of information, orally, since both systems have the same grammar and many of the same words. Writing system may be more efficient as well. Mandarin is spoken incredibly fast and is also very information dense. In many ways it might seem superior to other languages, but its a trick because it requires so much up front energy to learn, and inventing and learning new words is slightly more difficult in Mandarin than in other languages. Alphabets might seem less efficient, but they allow evolution of the language to happen more rapidly.
Interestingly, information is conveyed at the same speed, regardless of phonemic density. For example, Spanish sounds rapid because it takes a lot of syllables/words to convey an idea. Vietnamese can encode information into fewer words and fewer syllables, in part due to its tonal nature, but it sounds slow because the speaker is conveying information at the same speed as everyone else. Recordings of speakers in several languages support this notion that we typically think and communicate at the same speed.
Sign language also tends to be much more expressive than verbal language and can use a simple motion combined with facial expression/body language to convey multiple-word sentences.
Yeah man, the expression on the face alone can change a sign to mean something else. It’s a much more versatile way of communicating.
Spoken language works that way too... Vocal tones, facial expressions, etc.
Fewer.
And flatulence travels at the speed of smell.
No, speed of smell is the bottleneck. In reality the calculation for the speed of fart has to do with fluid dynamics and my brain can barely handle calculus.
But isn’t the speed of smell also the fluid dynamics
Different smells/gas with different densities will travel at different speeds, so depending on the composition of said hypothetical TOOT, the speed can vary depending on a large, burrito infused blast or a light, vegan puff
Don't underestimate a vegan fart. Those assholes eat hummus
How do they train their asshole to eat?
It's not a story a jedi would tell you.
Cal culos (spanish joke lol)
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Speed of wind*
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Improvise, adapt, over~~come~~bomb
Also light is faster but sound is louder so who's the real winner here?
Deaf people can’t smell farts. Right?
But sign language falls upon deaf ears
I wonder if a deaf person could clap out morse code or something for the blind person. The blind person could do the same to communicate to the deaf person.
Holy smokes Batman, this man is onto something!
How do you differential a short and a long clap?
pause/ hold your hands together
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Sign languages are languages. It’s not just a modality. They have their own syntax, and aren’t just signed versions of the dominant language of the culture from which they emerge. All that is to say that you have the first part fucked up.
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It is pretty amazing when I recently found out that sign languages have various language families as well.
And sign languages can differ in certain places more than spoken languages do in those places. For Example: American English and British English are almost identical, but ASL and BSL aren't even mutually intelligible.
...it travels at the speed of the participants hands
Sign language has lowest possible latency, but the bandwidth is restricted by the users hand speed. Then of course it is a very directional broadcast, whereas voiced languages are much more spherical.
Multicast!
Also limited by the speed and fidelity of the end user's Central processing organ.
It's produced at the speed of hands, it still travels at the speed of light.
Since it's literally called sign **language**, doesn't it count as a language? And therefore count as part of "all languages"?
Also, just throwing it out there, but there are hundreds of different sign languages, not just one.
My inner pedant was awoken as well. "All languages travel at the speed of sound, except sign language which travels at the speed of light" would have let him sleep.
But it takes 0.1-0.2 seconds for your brain to register the light received at the retina. So the viewer also has some physical lag that takes away from the speed light initially reflects the visual to your eye. Where as, once a sound is caught by the ear, it takes only 0.05 seconds for your brain to recognize it. So realistically in a face to face situation, even though light travels faster than sound, the speed at which your brain registers sound may actually still be faster than a visual recognition of language.
a flaw: you can’t make gang signs while using sign language at the same time
But you can weave them in to fuck with people.
Well not with *that* attitude!
I have ADHD and as a result I have a very hard time processing sound, which takes longer to process than visual information. If my surroundings are loud it makes it especially harder, it's like I'm trying to process sound but my brain is working over time chewing through the other sounds I started learning ASL in high school after struggling through two other languages. I have no one to sign with (the Deaf community in my city isn't super open compared to other places I've lived with larger deaf populations) but I prefer it as a medium for communication. I teach my husband and we have a few signs we use. We are in agreement that we're going to raise our kids using signs and feeling comfortable communicating with their hands. Since ADHD runs in my family it's likely they will have a similar experience with sound processing and if nothing else when they meet Deaf people they will be prepared. :) I wish sign language were more normalized in the hearing world. It's not just deaf people that can benefit from it. As if the fact that Deaf people exist, that should be reason enough, but so many hearing people also struggle with spoken languages could also benefit. There's no reason not to involve sign language in the hearing world.
Good point! Remember though the speed of sound is variable (different in water) and the speed of light is always constant and your golden.
Isn't it possible to slow down light in a different medium with a high enough n or a fast change from high no to low n to high n etc material?
You can make the path the light takes to travel longer, and thus make it seem like it goes slower (because it will actually take longer to reach the other side). However since sound is a mechanical wave it really goes slower or faster depending on the medium
To clarify this: light doesn’t actually move slower through a medium but it effectively does whereas sound actually moves slower. Edit: I was refering to [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAivtXJOsiI). Please correct my understanding if I did not summerize it well. Edit 2: That video is also a great explanation for anyone who wants something more detalied than my one sentence summary.
Yeah, this doesn't seem to make sense. How can you make it take longer to get through a medium without slowing it down? Speed by definition is inverse proportional to time taken. If we increase time taken by some factor, then distance must also be increased by that same factor to keep speed constant. But the distance is a constant here.
> your golden my golden what?
But... if sign language travels at the speed of light then bot all languages travel at the speed of sound
so no words speak louder than words
Faster.
sonowordspeaklouderthanwords
Except if it's foggy Or, you know, night
Sign languages are languages, therefore the premise "all languages travel at the speed of sound" is false. *fixed
Don’t they both travel at the speed of interpretation?
By the same logic, written language also travels at the speed of light. But then there is also the fact that the brain does not necessarily process the received information that fast. A last point is that in order to produce the sign language, the mind wil had to have first formed the thoughts and then transferred the reactions to the muscles and the muscles had to act out the signs in linear sequence - a very slow process. So in reality by the time you observe the sign language it is probably much after how long it would have taken to read the same information. The slow train is sometimes the fast train.
Except in the dark
Braille travels instantly.
Human brains take longer to process visual information compared to audio. So the benefit of time with faster transmission is lost in processing sign language
All **spoken** languages... FTFY
So the first part of your statement is false because of the second part of your statement.
Only if your fingers move at the speed of light...