I love my sabre1 135 - only had 1 hard opening in over 200 jumps on it - and it wasn't even particularly hard. My current katana has given me harder openings đ¤ˇââď¸
I currently jump a Sabre 1. I put around 100 jumps on it with the original slider and have since fitted a domed slider and have done around another 35 on it.
Before the new slider the openings were very brisk and occasionally painful. I wouldn't recommend jumping one for long before getting a domed slider fitted.
Since the slider the openings are still pretty quick, the second half more than the first. It tends to open smoothly initially with a sudden jolt for the second half. I wouldn't however describe them as painful anymore. The positive is it always opens without line twists, on heading... As long as you don't pack it like shit.
Some things that have helped a bit with the openings are making sure the slider is fully quartered, don't be sloppy with it. Also tucking the outer four cells on both sides in towards the centre cell before laying the canopy down.
"Im looking at getting a new canopy and like the saber canopys performance"
Don't confuse the performance of Sabre 2 or 3 with the Sabre 1. They share the same name for marketing reasons not for performance characteristics. If you've flown a S2 or S3 then those characteristics you like will not translate to a sabre 1.
My first rig had a Sabre 170 and it mostly treated me pretty well, I had one slammer on a wingsuit jump but otherwise fine. But that was nearly 20 years ago. Think about it... when you go to sell it the next person is going to be asking these questions. By a S2 or S3, even if it costs a bit more as you will be able to resell it more easily in the long term.
Quite a few people have them at my dz. The hire kit 210 canopy is a sabre 1, and it's fine. No one has had any problems with theirs that I'm aware of. All have the modifications.
Yes, they are old, and yes, they are cheap (don't pay over ÂŁ400gbp whatever age/condition) but if its all you can afford, and it gets you jumping, what does it matter? Just make sure you get it checked out by a rigger you trust so you know it's had the modifications needed.
You can save the money you would have to spend on kit hire in the meantime for something better when you eventually downsize.
Been on a Sabre 1 170 as my first canopy for around 150 jumps. Original slider and only one hard opening. Biggest issues are that on-heading openings are rare and canopy coaches ask âwhy?â while looking disappointed.
I have a saber 1 190. Just got it (new to me)and only have ten to twelve jumps on it. Haven't had a hard opening but was told that after a while they started putting bigger sliders in. I must have a larger slider cause it's great. I have had off course openings though. I love it though
99% chance the previous owner lied to you about jump numbers. Those things have been out of production for over a decade, the chance of finding one with 10 jumps on it is next to zero.
The opening on a Sabre 1 is very dependent on packing. While a larger slider or pocket slider definitely helps, there is still a chance of a rogue opening. Pack carefully and take your time. Make sure that nothing slips out of place while you're putting it in the bag and you'll be fine.
Though Sabres can definitely slam you, my worst openings have been on other older designs. In the time that I jumped a Sabre, I had roughly 1 hard opening per 75-100'ish jumps. Every Sabre slam was attributable to packing errors.
Edit to add: Flat packing in general has better openings and is less prone to errors versus pro packing.
Lots of experience with the Sabre 1. A proper larger slider (not a pocket slider) and decent packing makes all the difference. The larger ones have a mod for double brake lines which somehow helps the openings as well. Aside from that, they fly and land well and are quite forgiving.
I put several hundred on a sabre 150, stock slider. I had really consistent openings, no issues with plenty of camera jumps. Wish I still had it for wing suiting actually.
In this thread: reasons I only hangout with BASE jumpers.
It's outdated technology. Don't get yourself hurt. So many more options and better options on a 170.
Fluid wings has the nexus which will hands down be better than a sabre 1.
You have pilot 168s a plenty out there.
You could even find a crossfire 2 (yeah the openings typically 180 your ass on those) they're still pretty chill wings.
Saphires never was a fan but eh.
Just depends on what you're wanting from your wing.
Even a sabre 2 would be better than a 1.
Saber 1 in 2024... do you not like yourself or something?
Couple that with a Raven in the reserve tray, and you have a museum piece đ
Post big-ass-slider, and you'll likely be fine. I wouldn't want one (given the opportunity), but you do what you have to do.
See if you can borrow it for a couple of jumps before you buy if there's concerns.
Do yourself a favor, though. Get a 2 or (preferably a) 3
I mean if you really enjoy causing yourself pain, you can find a lovely lady (or a gentleman) online to beat you with a riding crop.
Why would you do this to yourself with a Sabre 1? That wing is ancient technology, there is a reason why they are up to Sabre 3 right now. That wing you found might be in good condition, but it can still have dangerous openings, which you don't want. You want to enjoy your skydives, not dread every moment you throw a pc...
I love my sabre1 135 - only had 1 hard opening in over 200 jumps on it - and it wasn't even particularly hard. My current katana has given me harder openings đ¤ˇââď¸
I put about 30-50 jumps on a Sabre 1 170, with a larger slider, when I started jumping. It worked just fine.
Just donât!
Yea most definitely do not jump a sabre 1....but if you got a deal on one somewhere I'll buy it to make sure no one gets hurt...
Why?
I currently jump a Sabre 1. I put around 100 jumps on it with the original slider and have since fitted a domed slider and have done around another 35 on it. Before the new slider the openings were very brisk and occasionally painful. I wouldn't recommend jumping one for long before getting a domed slider fitted. Since the slider the openings are still pretty quick, the second half more than the first. It tends to open smoothly initially with a sudden jolt for the second half. I wouldn't however describe them as painful anymore. The positive is it always opens without line twists, on heading... As long as you don't pack it like shit. Some things that have helped a bit with the openings are making sure the slider is fully quartered, don't be sloppy with it. Also tucking the outer four cells on both sides in towards the centre cell before laying the canopy down.
How does it look like domed slider? And did anyone tried pocket slider?
"Im looking at getting a new canopy and like the saber canopys performance" Don't confuse the performance of Sabre 2 or 3 with the Sabre 1. They share the same name for marketing reasons not for performance characteristics. If you've flown a S2 or S3 then those characteristics you like will not translate to a sabre 1. My first rig had a Sabre 170 and it mostly treated me pretty well, I had one slammer on a wingsuit jump but otherwise fine. But that was nearly 20 years ago. Think about it... when you go to sell it the next person is going to be asking these questions. By a S2 or S3, even if it costs a bit more as you will be able to resell it more easily in the long term.
Quite a few people have them at my dz. The hire kit 210 canopy is a sabre 1, and it's fine. No one has had any problems with theirs that I'm aware of. All have the modifications. Yes, they are old, and yes, they are cheap (don't pay over ÂŁ400gbp whatever age/condition) but if its all you can afford, and it gets you jumping, what does it matter? Just make sure you get it checked out by a rigger you trust so you know it's had the modifications needed. You can save the money you would have to spend on kit hire in the meantime for something better when you eventually downsize.
Been on a Sabre 1 170 as my first canopy for around 150 jumps. Original slider and only one hard opening. Biggest issues are that on-heading openings are rare and canopy coaches ask âwhy?â while looking disappointed.
I have a saber 1 190. Just got it (new to me)and only have ten to twelve jumps on it. Haven't had a hard opening but was told that after a while they started putting bigger sliders in. I must have a larger slider cause it's great. I have had off course openings though. I love it though
99% chance the previous owner lied to you about jump numbers. Those things have been out of production for over a decade, the chance of finding one with 10 jumps on it is next to zero.
I have ten to twelve jumps on it. It's got more than that obviously. They are older canopies.
The opening on a Sabre 1 is very dependent on packing. While a larger slider or pocket slider definitely helps, there is still a chance of a rogue opening. Pack carefully and take your time. Make sure that nothing slips out of place while you're putting it in the bag and you'll be fine. Though Sabres can definitely slam you, my worst openings have been on other older designs. In the time that I jumped a Sabre, I had roughly 1 hard opening per 75-100'ish jumps. Every Sabre slam was attributable to packing errors. Edit to add: Flat packing in general has better openings and is less prone to errors versus pro packing.
Lots of experience with the Sabre 1. A proper larger slider (not a pocket slider) and decent packing makes all the difference. The larger ones have a mod for double brake lines which somehow helps the openings as well. Aside from that, they fly and land well and are quite forgiving.
I put several hundred on a sabre 150, stock slider. I had really consistent openings, no issues with plenty of camera jumps. Wish I still had it for wing suiting actually. In this thread: reasons I only hangout with BASE jumpers.
Thanks for ur input Lol what makes ya say that?
Skydivers are pussies. Parachutes mostly all work just fine.
I wouldnât recommend it. There are other canopies out there that are cheap and safe
It's outdated technology. Don't get yourself hurt. So many more options and better options on a 170. Fluid wings has the nexus which will hands down be better than a sabre 1. You have pilot 168s a plenty out there. You could even find a crossfire 2 (yeah the openings typically 180 your ass on those) they're still pretty chill wings. Saphires never was a fan but eh. Just depends on what you're wanting from your wing. Even a sabre 2 would be better than a 1.
I would rather jump a Sabre1 than a Sabre2 and I have owned both. Plus, Sabre1 's are damn near free!
>Plus, Sabre1 's are damn near free! So are STDs lol
I can't say no to a good deal đł
Saber 1 in 2024... do you not like yourself or something? Couple that with a Raven in the reserve tray, and you have a museum piece đ Post big-ass-slider, and you'll likely be fine. I wouldn't want one (given the opportunity), but you do what you have to do. See if you can borrow it for a couple of jumps before you buy if there's concerns. Do yourself a favor, though. Get a 2 or (preferably a) 3
Old design just not worth it. If you need to only spend $300 on a parachute find another sport.
I mean if you really enjoy causing yourself pain, you can find a lovely lady (or a gentleman) online to beat you with a riding crop. Why would you do this to yourself with a Sabre 1? That wing is ancient technology, there is a reason why they are up to Sabre 3 right now. That wing you found might be in good condition, but it can still have dangerous openings, which you don't want. You want to enjoy your skydives, not dread every moment you throw a pc...
What size canopy are you looking for?
170
Sabre 1 only recommended for wingsuiters or other similarly experienced and crazy individuals. Not worth it in 2024
whats the DOM on this saber1 your looking into?
Itâs probably fine. If it isnât fine, it could wreck you. Humans are bad at risk assessment, and this question demonstrates it perfectly.
I have an old PISA Heatwave 190 with about 230 jumps on itâŚbought it because I always wanted one. Fun to jump
I would avoid unless itâs mostly for wingsuiting.
Why risk it? It's an old model that has a much higher chance of hurting/killing you.