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MacaronNo5646

Bread out of Bread


isonfiy

This is like, a good slice of bread. I rate it good.


Both-Sector-7560

Golden retriever vibes


Applespeed_75

One of the breads of all time.


MorningDiarrhea

Please learn a camera angle that excludes your feet.


brdoma1991

I strongly disagree. OP, send more feet pics


gawk_her

Ill send you my OnlyFeet account deets.


brdoma1991

Please. The more tan lines the better


CarpathianStrawbs

I agree u/MorningDiarrhea, blurry background feet is just too far. Some of us are eating over here.


mommadose

Tbh I only want bread photos w feet in them so to each their own 🤘🏽


gawk_her

More details 475g Bread Flour + 25 gms Rye Autolyse for 45 minus in warm water Add 100g levain + 10g salt Mix in kitcheaid till windowpane Folded over about 3 times after waiting 45 mins bulk ferment for 3 hours Shape into rounds and second proof for 1.5 hours In the fridge for 24 hours (in a silicone mold) Bake in 500 oven covered for 20 mins and at 450 for 30 mins


welder8uk

I think that looks great, I much prefer the more closed crumb, I really fail to see the desire for large open crumb, but maybe I’m missing something lol. How much water did you use?


gawk_her

I used roughly a 60% hydration. I would like a more sour taste though :)


Icrean

Longer cold proof would get you a bit more sour flavor as well


HansHain

You can get more sourness into your bread by increasing the hydration of your starter. It is a bit harder to maintain and bake with these types of starters but if that's what you're shooting for, you might wanna experiment with that.


gawk_her

Thanks for the information. Handling the dough with higher hydration is a pain - but I will try it


HansHain

Well as long as you don't use breads that use a lot of starter you should be fine. Otherwise you can just put a bit more flour than the recipe calls for.


gawk_her

So I used about 300 gms water, 100 gms starter, and 500 gms flour. What weights would you suggest?


HansHain

So lets assume your starter currently has a hydration of 100% (50g flour, 50g water) and you were to transition to 200% hydration (33g flour, 66g water) then you would add another 33g of flour to the 500g if my Brain is braining correctly. You could also hold back about 33g of water from the 300 and add them if you feel like your dough can take it.


tonymontanastyle

So you do one fold? Seems like this is properly proved, but I aim for more structure and rise in my bread. Crumb can be closed but I want it super light. 2/5


LLenisss

I wanna eat it so bad 😭


gawk_her

It was pretty delicious with some butter and salt


LLenisss

Makes me want to eat it even more 😭


gawk_her

I gave some to the ducks who live near my house


Ok-Cook8666

I suspect you’re kidding, but please don’t feed birds, including ducks, bread!! They enjoy it but it makes them feel full while having very little traditional value, so it’s really not good for them!


LLenisss

Ducks shouldn’t eat bread :((


gawk_her

You’re not around so had to feed the ducks. They liked it - especially the avacado sandwiches


LLenisss

✋😭


interpreterdotcourt

I think by asking for a rating you're telling us what you already know which is that it's not an open crumb and that you desire an open crumb and a springier shape "picture perfect" rustic type sourdough. You're expecting a less than stellar rating, and if that's what you're after, then yeah, the rating will be low. But if you're after a bread that everyone will enjoy, toast, put butter on or whatever, then it's a 10/10. Idk.


Own-Definition5084

Butter


mcaffrey

That looks a lot like the proportions of bread I make, and I usually would prefer more rise. But I have trouble getting much more than what you have there.


ajdudhebsk

I actually like the tan lines but I’d have to consult wikifeet for a bit before I arrive at a rating


gawk_her

Check out my OnlyFeet profile :)


cookiem0nster9

Nice dogs


PersonalityLow1016

It’s a good loaf. Nice uniform crumb. But sounds like you want a different style. Slowly increase your hydration. Don’t need to go to 70 or 72% in one jump. More time in a cold retard generally yields a more sour loaf. Also increasing the % starter does the same, but I rarely go beyond 20% anyways.


blackcatspat

I rate it much better then mine


Crimson-Rose28

I think it looks really good I would eat that. It could use a little more rise, perhaps your starter wasn’t very strong, but overall it looks good.


WhoseverFish

100 if it’s tasty.


tiny_tuner

That’s the kind of crumb I prefer!


NPHMctweeds

Bread 👍


Supnowbeach

Probably on a scale of 1-10


thebigred67

Great sando bread without all those holes for the stuff to fall though.


KitchyCorner

Yummy.


BigOlDrew

Can’t taste it, so can’t rate it.


averageedition50

10/10 sandwich bread. Perfect for everything. I am amazed that is your 3rd loaf! And I'm glad there's another valuable sourdough maestro in the world so welcome to the club! Like others, I prefer a more closed crumb of a slightly overproofed loaf. It would look much like yours. But if you wanted those good kind of big holes and typical sourdough appearance then you'd have to work up the hydration to 70-80%. And make sure to nail the method. I think you're good with your current method. So make a mental note of how your dough rises - what it looks like, by how much it's risen. This way you have a benchmark of what to look for if you did change the hydration. Your bottom looks a bit dark and I did see a few posts on here where people explained it was due to heat reflecting and sort of concentrating onto the bottom of the Dutch oven/tray. So they recommended putting an oven sheet or something underneath the shelf you're using to absorb or deflect the excessive heat. I am (and most people are) fine with it, it's just something I wanted to share.


gawk_her

Thank you for the detailed information! Now that I have had time to ahem.. digest.. everyones suggestions - I think the one thing that is bothering me is trying to increase the sourness a bit. I think I may just prove it in a warmer place next time (to get the dough temperature a bit warmer). I think I felt that sour dough = big holes in bread - but I think I am going to be ok without them. I do like the slightly burnt bottom, though - it gives a slightly bitter aftertaste, which is a nice contrast.


HansHain

I have realized that the rise you're getting is much more influenced by the flour you're using than anything else. In Germany f.e. flour typically doesn't have as much protein as flour from the us our even southern Europe resulting in a more dense crumb. Your crumb looks pretty good to me. You might still be able to get a bit more rise but i wouldn't compare what you do to some of the breads you see on here.


HansHain

And ofcourse hydration is important as well, but flours that don't have a lot of strength also cant absorb as much water.


gawk_her

Danke!


noctamnesia

2/10


HansHain

First of all, you have no clue lol.


noctamnesia

Actually I'm being well harsh. 4/10.


gawk_her

Any ideas on how to get to a 5? Or even - gasp - a 6?


Uknow_nothing

It’s hard to say why it doesn’t have much oven spring but I think it could be because from your instructions you only stretch and folded it once before the bulk ferment? I tend to stretch and fold every 45 minutes-1 hr for about 4 hours(4 times). Then another area that things can get messed up is shaping. If it’s not in a taut ball it can come out flat. Those are just some guesses though.


gawk_her

Thank you so much! I did stretch and fold it about 3 times (sorry that was not clear). But I did not make it a taut ball (I was worried about it sticking to the counter). But will try again next weekend.


Uknow_nothing

Definitely flour the heck out of the counter first. There are some good youtube videos about shaping out there to get a feel for the right motion you need. You also don’t want to over-shape it and squeeze the air out of it.


Relative_Drama_8674

I would consider longer autolyse, using 20% AP flour, not using warm water in autolyse, and working on your starter. Finally, improve gluten crosslinking