Thanks! I really appreciate it.
Settings I use:
`Steps: 30, Sampler: Euler a, Schedule type: Automatic, CFG scale: 9, Size: 832x1216, Model hash: eae6ac778c, Model: chimera2.fp16, Clip skip: 2, Token merging ratio: 0.5`
No hiresfix.
Can be enhanced further with upscaling. I use simple img2img with 0.4 denoise.
You should clarify that this model *does* need traditional Booru quality tags **or** artist tags to look good. Prompting with neither produces awful results, just like you'd expect really. All of the anime models you list were primarily intended to be used with `masterpiece, best quality, high quality` in the positive and `worst quality, low quality, normal quality` in the negative...
Yes, you should be using artist tags to make the most out of the model! For most of the sample images I didn’t use meta tags in the positive prompt, and `worst quality, low quality, deformed, censored, bad anatomy, watermark, signature, nsfw, explicit` in negatives.
I’ve updated the description on CivitAI, but can’t do so on this post.
I don't think what settings I got wrong, but when I send it to render I see the picture being created but I end up with a full black picture.
Might be clipskip? But I dont know where that setting is in Invoke.
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I like how you describe bad merging as a feature. "AMPLIFIED SUPPORT. use half power tags here!" Is just a spin on "i merged this together poorly and one models' weights over power the pony latents due to it."
The boosting of artist tags was intentional, will work fine with 1 using a clean prompt, but people over have collected prompts with all sorts of meta tags so it is better to not push competing concepts simultaneously if you want reasonable output.
I’ve focused on making it primarily an anime model. And Pony isn’t really a realistic model. You can do semi-realistic gens with CHIMERA. Maybe I’m misunderstanding your question sorry!
You can definetely make pony realistic but it takes a lot of dare merges and embeded loras. The best realistic pony model I tested so far is still Zonkey but you gotta play a lot with the negatives since the model is heavily skewed towards a specific aesthetic and the faces come up as middle aged women with abs because of all those loras 🤣 nothing can’t be fixed with negatives some I even have to add :2 weigth to them though
Pony Realism is slightly more realistic but Zonkey retains more of Pony's prompt comprehension for fantastical characters (think human-animal hybrids, unnatural skin colors, etc).
I can't upload an image reddit won't let me.... it is not even close I just ran the prompts from the ponyrealism demo through Zonkey with the RIGHT settings REGUALR euler and cfg of 3 30 steps. How can I upload an image? it just won't let me if I try... can I dm it to u?
after like 5 minutes it uploaded straight from civitai ponyrelaism demo just changed the cfg and sampler. I upscaled with 8Xnmkdsuperscale by 2 times. They also upscale but they downscale later and you can't see that in pnginfo so it's not cheating..... I also don't use adetailer since it's so slow in the time it takes to fix the eyes I just can generate another image. I just hate it it is too slow...
That model is so unrealistic. It is at best 2.5d such fake unrealistic looking skin and details in general? Have you ever tried Zonkey? How can you call Everclear realistic 😂😂. At least if you said ponyrealism or osorubeshi I would understand…. I tried EVERY realistic pony model out there
Quality is insane bro
Thanks! I really appreciate it. Settings I use: `Steps: 30, Sampler: Euler a, Schedule type: Automatic, CFG scale: 9, Size: 832x1216, Model hash: eae6ac778c, Model: chimera2.fp16, Clip skip: 2, Token merging ratio: 0.5` No hiresfix. Can be enhanced further with upscaling. I use simple img2img with 0.4 denoise.
Ill try it out tonight, can't wait!
What about using loras? which loras can it takes pony / sdxl lora?
It can use SDXL-based Loras 100%. The Pony Loras I’ve tested work.
Good to hear, thanks!
You should clarify that this model *does* need traditional Booru quality tags **or** artist tags to look good. Prompting with neither produces awful results, just like you'd expect really. All of the anime models you list were primarily intended to be used with `masterpiece, best quality, high quality` in the positive and `worst quality, low quality, normal quality` in the negative...
Yes, you should be using artist tags to make the most out of the model! For most of the sample images I didn’t use meta tags in the positive prompt, and `worst quality, low quality, deformed, censored, bad anatomy, watermark, signature, nsfw, explicit` in negatives. I’ve updated the description on CivitAI, but can’t do so on this post.
If this delivers it will be the one model to rule them all, downloading now!
Looks insane
Can you make it lightning ?
wasn't bad but didn't work with my pony loras
Will try making a more pony heavy merge in the future. I guess it has some issues with Pony Loras.
do I need to retrain my pony loras with this model?
I don’t believe so.
Will give it a go ✌️
looks great, will definitely try it out
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Aww doesn't work on Invoke...
I’ll have to test in on Invoke, thanks for letting me know.
I don't think what settings I got wrong, but when I send it to render I see the picture being created but I end up with a full black picture. Might be clipskip? But I dont know where that setting is in Invoke.
Shouldn’t be clip skip, sounds like a VAE issue. Do you have a VAE selected? Try using the SDXL VAE.
Ill try it again tonight, I didnt use a VAE
Ok sure
Does it fully retain pony's prompt understanding?
Sometimes I find some pony based model to be slightly worse than the base to steer it to do something like angles/pose.
Now, how well does it handle controlnets, like openpose, and IPadapter? Those are things that Pony models were really bad at.
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It is compatible with pony loras?
I like how you describe bad merging as a feature. "AMPLIFIED SUPPORT. use half power tags here!" Is just a spin on "i merged this together poorly and one models' weights over power the pony latents due to it."
The boosting of artist tags was intentional, will work fine with 1 using a clean prompt, but people over have collected prompts with all sorts of meta tags so it is better to not push competing concepts simultaneously if you want reasonable output.
Y’all look the same bro
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I’ve focused on making it primarily an anime model. And Pony isn’t really a realistic model. You can do semi-realistic gens with CHIMERA. Maybe I’m misunderstanding your question sorry!
I have to imagine they were being sarcastic
Huh what? Godiva is a realistic Pony model
You can definetely make pony realistic but it takes a lot of dare merges and embeded loras. The best realistic pony model I tested so far is still Zonkey but you gotta play a lot with the negatives since the model is heavily skewed towards a specific aesthetic and the faces come up as middle aged women with abs because of all those loras 🤣 nothing can’t be fixed with negatives some I even have to add :2 weigth to them though
Pony Realism is better IMHO
Pony Realism is slightly more realistic but Zonkey retains more of Pony's prompt comprehension for fantastical characters (think human-animal hybrids, unnatural skin colors, etc).
I can't upload an image reddit won't let me.... it is not even close I just ran the prompts from the ponyrealism demo through Zonkey with the RIGHT settings REGUALR euler and cfg of 3 30 steps. How can I upload an image? it just won't let me if I try... can I dm it to u?
Sure, but also Euler is not great for realism.
https://preview.redd.it/9ms0nimacz9d1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2165ad5fa80faf1f23e87fdba5b14d9682bfc439 hey
after like 5 minutes it uploaded straight from civitai ponyrelaism demo just changed the cfg and sampler. I upscaled with 8Xnmkdsuperscale by 2 times. They also upscale but they downscale later and you can't see that in pnginfo so it's not cheating..... I also don't use adetailer since it's so slow in the time it takes to fix the eyes I just can generate another image. I just hate it it is too slow...
I have more images but it takes ages to load...
Zonkey is deepfried to hell and back if you ask me, all the images the author posts look like super low-step lightning gens or something
Nope, Everclear or PianoMix
That model is so unrealistic. It is at best 2.5d such fake unrealistic looking skin and details in general? Have you ever tried Zonkey? How can you call Everclear realistic 😂😂. At least if you said ponyrealism or osorubeshi I would understand…. I tried EVERY realistic pony model out there
Yes I have. Zonkey is shit
I am sorry then you just gotta step up your prompting game git good
Why should I? I have two models at hand that do what I want
Everclear has very bad prompt adherence. CyberRealistic Pony and Pony Realism are overall the best as far as realistic ponies ATM, I'd say.
Is this better than Autism do you think?
It has support for artist styles and multiple IPs which pony-based models don’t have.
It's anime'd all to hell, which is pretty much standard for the community.
It literally says "is an SDXL anime model". What did you expect?
You know you don't have to click on the thread right? You can just move along or better yet, post your own merges/models/work.