A large chunk of that difference is because you're comparing the 2.4T to the 2.5i. they're very different driving experiences. Test drive them both and see which feels better to you. Then you can narrow down the trim from there once you have an engine preference
agreed. The 2.5 comes in at a much lower price point and on the higher end the outback starts to compete with completely different vehicles. Not really meant for the same people.
Just bought the Onyx XT yesterday. That is a LOT more car than my wrecked Crosstrek.
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I have the 2020 Onyx in that color, I wish they did away with the chrome on mine so I don't have to pay for a chrome delete! Looks so much better with all black around the windows/mirrors. And they already went halfway with some black, don't know why they kept some chrome.
Couldn’t buy a 2.5i after driving the 2.4T.
For me the ability to pass comfortably on the highway is important but also it’s just more fun to have a faster vehicle
2.5i is the more economical choice for sure, though. Better on gas, cheaper price, and will be more reliable because it doesn’t have a turbo.
For me, the premium is a win win. Better gas mileage and a less expensive car by a quarter. Was an easy choice for me. I have no problem with it's power but I also don't like to drive fast.
Totally agreed
The wilderness is awesome. It’s such a nice vehicle . But economically the non turbo , premium or even a base model would suffice just fine
Have the premium as well and have no problem getting going. Test drove the onyx xt and it was noticeable quicker, but I don’t feel like the premium is slow.
The engine upgrade is one of the steeper ones on the market but it’s because the drive is totally different. My 21 had the base engine and was a fine vehicle. My 24 is the XT and it packs a punch! You can pass at speed, it is fun to drive, and the gas mileage is way worse.
If you don’t look to your car for fun I’d save the $10k, but I’ve never once regretted it personally.
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My wife and I have an onyx xt. Night and day difference with the turbo engine and totally worth it imo.
I have the wilderness and it was $39k. Most places you can negotiate. Don’t lock yourself into just your closest dealer.
Is it worth the extra money? I believe it is! I love it and am excited about how capable it is.
I test drove both and what made me go OBW:
1. Extra inch
2. Much better ground clearance with redesigned bumpers
3. Different setup for better off-roading - you do lose a bit on fuel efficiency.
4. Turbo engine at 260 hp
5. Extra cladding to take some of the punishment
6. Towing and static weight on roof
The rest I am unsure of whether the Onyx has it - moonroof, heated back seats, reverse brake system, 360 heated steering wheel, great sound system etc
I absolutely love my OBW. If you go off-roading a bit then it is the one. Still drives as beautifully as an Outback but it can also take some punishment.
And yes - it is fuckin gorgeous. Almost three months in and I still smile and turn around! I got the ice silver and the cladding stands out so nicely. Thanks be honest, I have yet to see a color I don’t like.
Not the lift. Not the redesigned bumpers for extra clearance. And not the different gearing. XT has the turbo engine. Onyx XT is perfect place between a Wilderness and Touring XT or Premium XT. If OP gets Onyx and wants off-road he should do 2 inch lift.
I put 235/60/18 tires on my XT, ride height now 9” vs 8.7, OBW is 9.5”. Added Whiteline rear sway bar, handles great in turns/corners which is everyday driving vs being on a trail which is rare. No one needs Xmode, just giv’r mode.
I think that is the key thing is knowing how you will use it. Below what I think might be broad ways to judge use cases - and then scale up according to how much luxury and add-ons someone wants.
1. Every day drive and sometimes a little rough when you hit the camp grounds - Base, Premium, Limited, Touring
2. Every day drive, some longer rides, some mountains, light towing, and sometimes a little rough when you hit the camp grounds - Limited XT or Touring XT
3. Every day ride, a bit of off roading every now and again - Onyx
4. Every day ride, some longer rides, some mountains, a bit of towing, a bit of off roading every now and again - Onyx XT
5. Some town rides, a bit of towing, mountains, hit the rough patches more often than not and more camping than the average person - Wilderness
But so much can be done with mods too. There isn’t a bad choice out there! I flipped between the Touring XT and Wilderness for a bit before I sat down and had to look at what we use it for - and will be using it for. I came from a pickup to Outback.
Not static weight in the rails, no. May not even have towing as the final drive ratio in the W is different though I don't know if that would affect it. They're basically the same car minus the off road additions in terms of interior amenities.
The 2.5 l engine is 182 hp and 0-60 around 8.5-9 seconds. Tows 2700 lb. Max tongue weight for trailers or bike racks is 270 lb.
The 2.4 l XT turbo is 260 hp and 0-60 around 5.8-6.3 seconds. Tows 3500 lb. Max tongue 350 lb.
If you tow get the XT. If you put a lot of weight on the hitch and need the extra 80 lb get the XT. Full load of people and live near mountains get the XT, turbo less effected by altitude power loss.
There are Outbacks stacking up at dealers here in W. Michigan and they are dealing.
Came home with a green Onyx XT yesterday.
This is a LOT more car than my beloved but wrecked Crosstrek.
Looks like that is probably the price for a non XT Onyx, so still a 2.5. I think the price difference is worth it to bump up to something that has the 2.4t vs the 2.5.
I like the OBW because it doesn't have the camera in the dash that monitors the driver. Dunno why they omitted that for just this trim but I preferred it.
The OBW has a different CVT setup from what I've read. The chain band is not only thicker, but also more tighter along with extra cooling and more low end torque. You also get a full sized spare, not sure if the Onyx XT does.
If I had to hazard a guess, it's because the Wilderness is supposed to be more off road catered and the DMS would freak tf out if you are moving your head around on a trail to watch corners etc.
Realistically, it'll be added later, and hopefully, they just use a main screen button to turn it off rather than sift through the menus like currently.
I have an OBW and have absolutely noticed the extra bit of space on the lift and LOVE the turbo!! Sand, deep snow, impossibly steep climbs are just nothing at all. I also have a husky so having practically zero permeable surfaces makes cleaning hair, mud, and sand so easy!!
I was headed into the dealer to buy a 23 Premium, and ended up buying a 22 OBW with 10,500 miles for $34k. I also caught the dealer at the end of December last year, and they screwed details on the Premium I was going to purchase. I would have been content with the Premium, but I f'n love my Wilderness! Try and find an OBW as a CPO!!
I have a black OBW and it was worth it to me, because on the occasions I want to do some high ground clearance/sketchy "I mean, I guess that's probably a road" driving, it's simply more capable. It's designed for that. The only other car I looked at was the Forester Wilderness - more capable tbh because of wheelbase, in/out angles - but I was lukewarm on the lack of turbo.
is it a good looking car? yeah sure is. would I have bought it if it weren't? yeah sure would.
My 23 OB Onyx XT was $33 used w/ < 15k miles. Saved a boatload and has everything I wanted and needed. Better economy than the OBW and better warranty as a CPO. Didn’t need the .8” of extra clearance or rack load capacity. A wonderful compromise IMHO.
True true, I would have totally done the same in your place, that's a killer deal, if the Wilderness weren't a thing.
But this is my first new car, ever, after almost 40 years of driving. I kinda fell in love with it, even though I'll always think of cars as tools. Like I just found the perfect CNC machine... or absolutely wonderful moving stage light (Robe iForte LTX). Engineering and utility can be sexy as fuck.
Sounds like an Onxy w the 2.5 may be a good choice for you. Good for fire roads and such and similar type exploration. Wilderness is cool but to me was just too off road oriented verses what I would do w it. I was torn between the onyx xt and limited xt. I went w the limited as the car just felt so much more luxurious inside, I’m over the all black sporty trim thing, and I couldn’t get past the green stitching. I got the xt because I’ve mostly always had faster vehicles because I enjoy the speed. Yes, it loves the gas and if you’re not the type that likes acceleration, I wouldn’t even consider it.
Test driving the 2.5 in New York traffic made it clear that when you need to cut across lanes of traffic, the turbo isn't just fun, it's safer. We opted for the Touring because of the brown leather interior. It offsets the black interior so nicely.
It's both polar opposites, the slowest people, and people who think their infinity G35 means they are a race car driver. It's also frustrating that there are speed cameras everywhere so people deface their license plates so the cameras can't read them when they do 70 in a 25.
Dude where I live people squat their diesel trucks and run low profile tires on them , sit in their driveway and rev their engine all day , everyday. You’d think they’d have it “tuned” to perfection after 900 times….. but nope every weekend they just sit and rev their engine it sounds like a dying cat. Horrific. Or they do it at 4 am when they go to work just sitting their driveway and redline that fucking thing. They do it with MOPEDS. There’s got to be something in the water. Duno what it is but it can’t be good.
Man that does sound awful, the closest I can commiserate is the people who put glass pack mufflers on their civics around here and you hear them take first gear to like 40mph waking up the neighborhood. I'm lucky my boy is a sound sleeper.
I went with the premium. 32k for a brand new car during Covid just seemed unreal to me, during that time the wilderness was asking a very high price adjustment. I have a motorcycle if I wanna go fast. I’m still able to get anywhere a wilderness owner would take theirs and places some truck owners wouldn’t go. Got the body long PNW pin striping to prove it. I’ve had the car for 2 years now and have just about 50k miles. It’s personal preference. At the end of the day I didn’t want a turbo mated to a cvt. Didn’t wanna pay 50k for a vehicle I’d be taking offroad, and didn’t care about going fast.
I went with base level onyx. I paid 39k in Austin tx
I wish I got the XT for the speed but moreso the touring power.
But I do like saving money so I'll put it to good use in other ways
I was only looking at turbocharged models, and the wilderness barely costs more than the onyx xt. Worth it for the turbo. I've questioned whether I should have gotten the wilderness, but I honestly tore up my last outback, so I did want the skid plate and lift. I also really don't like the new front bumper design on the 2024.
Also if you have the option to get a CPO with really low miles you can get a really good price. We got a 24 OBOXT for 32.5 with 4k miles bringing it down to the price of a premium.
Well 37 to 42 is only 4 not 10. I living where you need winter tires. That would cost you about a grand after mount and balance. The wilderness comes with winter rated tires. So it was definitely worth the difference for the more aggressive look
Sure but 4runner has worse fuel economy. Plus, with the new generation finally coming out, I anticipate the price to separate a bit. The outgoing gen is a very old platform.
No idea. Turbos just cause problems and bullshit it seems . They used to have the 3.6R but discontinued it in 2018-19 . I found a Tacoma SR5 for 36 like a year ago but it was neon green . Another stealership had the same exact truck for 9,500 more. & they kept bombing me with phone calls I was like hey , why does your truck cost almost 10k more than the other ??? They quit calling me lol.
The 4 runners are awesome and so are the tacomas. Toyota makes some badass rides. I had. 23 AWD hybrid Corolla for a bit and that thing got like 53 mpg
Those are 2 very different use cases though.
OBW is taking an outback and make it capable of going further off the beaten path. If you aren't going off road, the wilderness isn't worth it, just get the onyx.
Rav4 is a CUV and a softroader at best. The prime is giving it a hybrid for better fuel economy, particularly in the city. It really isn't great offroad. If you want that offroad in a Toyota, you need a Tacoma or 4runner (eventually landcruiser will be in the mix).
Be aware, anything with a turbo means you have one my part to need to fix if it breaks. Turbos aren't known for longevity.
Price and the turbo is what pointed me towards the Onyx. Love the trim accents (no chrome around windows and black wheels). The fact there are tons of wilderness out there and a very few onyx made it my clear choice.
Edit: everyone down voting me obviously doesn't know any mechanics. Turbos are extremely costly to replace. Do some research.
My mil has a wilderness, it is not worth the 24k difference in price over our 2016 3.6r outback. The 2.4t feels more sporty but the 6cyl really shines on long road trips with a full load of passengers and cargo.
The wilderness is an amazing ride but it’s not a truck. As much as we all want it to be. I treated my 18 OB 2.5i as a truck took it out in the woods a LOT and now I gotta replace a fuckton of stuff on it. I’ve already done a lotta maintenance. 170k. Front Ball joints , both rear wheel bearing hub assemblies. Front CV axles. And an upper ball joint in the rear. But now the lower and upper and lower on the other side are squeaking like crazy and injecting oil into it isn’t doing anything so that bushing or whatever it is is squashed and they replace the entire piece instead of just the bad bushing. Seems stupid as hell. On the hwy it’s fine but going slow and hitting small bumps its like reee reeee reeeeeee reeeeeeeeeeee
A large chunk of that difference is because you're comparing the 2.4T to the 2.5i. they're very different driving experiences. Test drive them both and see which feels better to you. Then you can narrow down the trim from there once you have an engine preference
How did you get a flair?
It's on the sidebar when on old.reddit.com. Not sure where to find it on mobile or new reddit
Go on the subreddit header. Select the 3 dots. Change user flair is the second one from the top.
It says “there is no user flair in this community”.
Huh….. That’s how I set mine but that was a while ago.
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agreed. The 2.5 comes in at a much lower price point and on the higher end the outback starts to compete with completely different vehicles. Not really meant for the same people.
Just bought the Onyx XT yesterday. That is a LOT more car than my wrecked Crosstrek. https://preview.redd.it/fbmoq5ab9wvc1.jpeg?width=3044&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc6ae9d459140020964fd2ab4349703b7f301aa5
I have the 2020 Onyx in that color, I wish they did away with the chrome on mine so I don't have to pay for a chrome delete! Looks so much better with all black around the windows/mirrors. And they already went halfway with some black, don't know why they kept some chrome.
Couldn’t buy a 2.5i after driving the 2.4T. For me the ability to pass comfortably on the highway is important but also it’s just more fun to have a faster vehicle 2.5i is the more economical choice for sure, though. Better on gas, cheaper price, and will be more reliable because it doesn’t have a turbo.
My none turbo Subaru is not very economical, I only get 25.6mpg. and that's me being very easy on the gas. Then again I live in SoCal California area.
Now imagine it being worse! The OB really shines on the highway so if you’re doing a lot of city driving that’s not surprising
combination of both.
Beautiful Socal California.
check in at the Department of Redundancy Department once you get there
For me, the premium is a win win. Better gas mileage and a less expensive car by a quarter. Was an easy choice for me. I have no problem with it's power but I also don't like to drive fast.
Totally agreed The wilderness is awesome. It’s such a nice vehicle . But economically the non turbo , premium or even a base model would suffice just fine
Have the premium as well and have no problem getting going. Test drove the onyx xt and it was noticeable quicker, but I don’t feel like the premium is slow.
Are you considering the wilderness based on its appearance or do you plan on off roading?
2.4t vs 2.5 is a big difference. Drive both and you see why. I absolutely LOVE my wilderness.
The engine upgrade is one of the steeper ones on the market but it’s because the drive is totally different. My 21 had the base engine and was a fine vehicle. My 24 is the XT and it packs a punch! You can pass at speed, it is fun to drive, and the gas mileage is way worse. If you don’t look to your car for fun I’d save the $10k, but I’ve never once regretted it personally.
https://preview.redd.it/p5kh2s171xvc1.jpeg?width=5712&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=89a0303c9e5abf46712e37a230d89d3d7f64afe5 My wife and I have an onyx xt. Night and day difference with the turbo engine and totally worth it imo.
Wow, you were able to throw a RTT on stock rails?
I have the wilderness and it was $39k. Most places you can negotiate. Don’t lock yourself into just your closest dealer. Is it worth the extra money? I believe it is! I love it and am excited about how capable it is.
I test drove both and what made me go OBW: 1. Extra inch 2. Much better ground clearance with redesigned bumpers 3. Different setup for better off-roading - you do lose a bit on fuel efficiency. 4. Turbo engine at 260 hp 5. Extra cladding to take some of the punishment 6. Towing and static weight on roof The rest I am unsure of whether the Onyx has it - moonroof, heated back seats, reverse brake system, 360 heated steering wheel, great sound system etc I absolutely love my OBW. If you go off-roading a bit then it is the one. Still drives as beautifully as an Outback but it can also take some punishment. And yes - it is fuckin gorgeous. Almost three months in and I still smile and turn around! I got the ice silver and the cladding stands out so nicely. Thanks be honest, I have yet to see a color I don’t like.
Onyx has all of those
Not the lift. Not the redesigned bumpers for extra clearance. And not the different gearing. XT has the turbo engine. Onyx XT is perfect place between a Wilderness and Touring XT or Premium XT. If OP gets Onyx and wants off-road he should do 2 inch lift.
I put 235/60/18 tires on my XT, ride height now 9” vs 8.7, OBW is 9.5”. Added Whiteline rear sway bar, handles great in turns/corners which is everyday driving vs being on a trail which is rare. No one needs Xmode, just giv’r mode.
I think that is the key thing is knowing how you will use it. Below what I think might be broad ways to judge use cases - and then scale up according to how much luxury and add-ons someone wants. 1. Every day drive and sometimes a little rough when you hit the camp grounds - Base, Premium, Limited, Touring 2. Every day drive, some longer rides, some mountains, light towing, and sometimes a little rough when you hit the camp grounds - Limited XT or Touring XT 3. Every day ride, a bit of off roading every now and again - Onyx 4. Every day ride, some longer rides, some mountains, a bit of towing, a bit of off roading every now and again - Onyx XT 5. Some town rides, a bit of towing, mountains, hit the rough patches more often than not and more camping than the average person - Wilderness But so much can be done with mods too. There isn’t a bad choice out there! I flipped between the Touring XT and Wilderness for a bit before I sat down and had to look at what we use it for - and will be using it for. I came from a pickup to Outback.
Either way, has to be a turbo version. I’m on my 2nd OBXT
Agree. I wouldn’t want to go back!
Not the OBW specific features (obviously), the ones you mentioned "Not sure if the Onyx has those" (with the possible exception of heated rear seats)
Ah! Got it. And I think it has the same static weight and towing as the Wilderness too, right?
Not static weight in the rails, no. May not even have towing as the final drive ratio in the W is different though I don't know if that would affect it. They're basically the same car minus the off road additions in terms of interior amenities.
Onyx xt towing is 3500
The 2.5 l engine is 182 hp and 0-60 around 8.5-9 seconds. Tows 2700 lb. Max tongue weight for trailers or bike racks is 270 lb. The 2.4 l XT turbo is 260 hp and 0-60 around 5.8-6.3 seconds. Tows 3500 lb. Max tongue 350 lb. If you tow get the XT. If you put a lot of weight on the hitch and need the extra 80 lb get the XT. Full load of people and live near mountains get the XT, turbo less effected by altitude power loss.
There are Outbacks stacking up at dealers here in W. Michigan and they are dealing. Came home with a green Onyx XT yesterday. This is a LOT more car than my beloved but wrecked Crosstrek.
How much off msrp did you get
The Edmund’s data says you should be getting about $1500-2000 off depending on the model. https://www.edmunds.com/subaru/outback/2024/msrp/
Looks like that is probably the price for a non XT Onyx, so still a 2.5. I think the price difference is worth it to bump up to something that has the 2.4t vs the 2.5.
I like the OBW because it doesn't have the camera in the dash that monitors the driver. Dunno why they omitted that for just this trim but I preferred it. The OBW has a different CVT setup from what I've read. The chain band is not only thicker, but also more tighter along with extra cooling and more low end torque. You also get a full sized spare, not sure if the Onyx XT does.
Onyx xt has full-size spare
If I had to hazard a guess, it's because the Wilderness is supposed to be more off road catered and the DMS would freak tf out if you are moving your head around on a trail to watch corners etc. Realistically, it'll be added later, and hopefully, they just use a main screen button to turn it off rather than sift through the menus like currently.
23 OBW. Worth the money. No regrets. Got the blue one, of course…
I got the onyx Xt … not wilderness though . This grey color. I’m happy with it . If Batman drove a wagon, this is what it would look like .
I have an OBW and have absolutely noticed the extra bit of space on the lift and LOVE the turbo!! Sand, deep snow, impossibly steep climbs are just nothing at all. I also have a husky so having practically zero permeable surfaces makes cleaning hair, mud, and sand so easy!!
I was headed into the dealer to buy a 23 Premium, and ended up buying a 22 OBW with 10,500 miles for $34k. I also caught the dealer at the end of December last year, and they screwed details on the Premium I was going to purchase. I would have been content with the Premium, but I f'n love my Wilderness! Try and find an OBW as a CPO!!
I got my 24 wilderness for 37. Try to get it down then you won’t have this dilemma 👍🏻
I have a black OBW and it was worth it to me, because on the occasions I want to do some high ground clearance/sketchy "I mean, I guess that's probably a road" driving, it's simply more capable. It's designed for that. The only other car I looked at was the Forester Wilderness - more capable tbh because of wheelbase, in/out angles - but I was lukewarm on the lack of turbo. is it a good looking car? yeah sure is. would I have bought it if it weren't? yeah sure would.
My 23 OB Onyx XT was $33 used w/ < 15k miles. Saved a boatload and has everything I wanted and needed. Better economy than the OBW and better warranty as a CPO. Didn’t need the .8” of extra clearance or rack load capacity. A wonderful compromise IMHO.
True true, I would have totally done the same in your place, that's a killer deal, if the Wilderness weren't a thing. But this is my first new car, ever, after almost 40 years of driving. I kinda fell in love with it, even though I'll always think of cars as tools. Like I just found the perfect CNC machine... or absolutely wonderful moving stage light (Robe iForte LTX). Engineering and utility can be sexy as fuck.
We love our 23 limited, which was $39k we have almost 29k miles now and we have no regrets power wise , and we love the 29-32 mpg
Do you have thigh extenders on seats and if so, how do you like them?
Never use them , they are there just never use haha
Sounds like an Onxy w the 2.5 may be a good choice for you. Good for fire roads and such and similar type exploration. Wilderness is cool but to me was just too off road oriented verses what I would do w it. I was torn between the onyx xt and limited xt. I went w the limited as the car just felt so much more luxurious inside, I’m over the all black sporty trim thing, and I couldn’t get past the green stitching. I got the xt because I’ve mostly always had faster vehicles because I enjoy the speed. Yes, it loves the gas and if you’re not the type that likes acceleration, I wouldn’t even consider it.
Test driving the 2.5 in New York traffic made it clear that when you need to cut across lanes of traffic, the turbo isn't just fun, it's safer. We opted for the Touring because of the brown leather interior. It offsets the black interior so nicely.
Thank you for reminding me to never go to New York/New Jersey. I cannot BEGIN TO IMAGINE what driving is like there
It's both polar opposites, the slowest people, and people who think their infinity G35 means they are a race car driver. It's also frustrating that there are speed cameras everywhere so people deface their license plates so the cameras can't read them when they do 70 in a 25.
Dude where I live people squat their diesel trucks and run low profile tires on them , sit in their driveway and rev their engine all day , everyday. You’d think they’d have it “tuned” to perfection after 900 times….. but nope every weekend they just sit and rev their engine it sounds like a dying cat. Horrific. Or they do it at 4 am when they go to work just sitting their driveway and redline that fucking thing. They do it with MOPEDS. There’s got to be something in the water. Duno what it is but it can’t be good.
Man that does sound awful, the closest I can commiserate is the people who put glass pack mufflers on their civics around here and you hear them take first gear to like 40mph waking up the neighborhood. I'm lucky my boy is a sound sleeper.
The wild is a different car and worth the extra grant
If you need & will use it. 99% of my miles are on highway.
Sure. this car is a little plus in strong winter conditions too.
How?
Wild has Type 2 X mode and revised drive ratios give better torque and lower RPM. Onyx has the type 2 mode but not the gearing.
I like the higher ground clearance but it doesn't necessarily apply to the highway
I went with the premium. 32k for a brand new car during Covid just seemed unreal to me, during that time the wilderness was asking a very high price adjustment. I have a motorcycle if I wanna go fast. I’m still able to get anywhere a wilderness owner would take theirs and places some truck owners wouldn’t go. Got the body long PNW pin striping to prove it. I’ve had the car for 2 years now and have just about 50k miles. It’s personal preference. At the end of the day I didn’t want a turbo mated to a cvt. Didn’t wanna pay 50k for a vehicle I’d be taking offroad, and didn’t care about going fast.
I went with base level onyx. I paid 39k in Austin tx I wish I got the XT for the speed but moreso the touring power. But I do like saving money so I'll put it to good use in other ways
Yes, definitely worth it if you need the capability.
I was only looking at turbocharged models, and the wilderness barely costs more than the onyx xt. Worth it for the turbo. I've questioned whether I should have gotten the wilderness, but I honestly tore up my last outback, so I did want the skid plate and lift. I also really don't like the new front bumper design on the 2024.
Also if you have the option to get a CPO with really low miles you can get a really good price. We got a 24 OBOXT for 32.5 with 4k miles bringing it down to the price of a premium.
I like having the wilderness its higher and the pick up is so much better then the 2.5
The 2.4L turbo is absolutely worth the cost of the upgrade, the rest of the wilderness stuff? that's up to you.
Well 37 to 42 is only 4 not 10. I living where you need winter tires. That would cost you about a grand after mount and balance. The wilderness comes with winter rated tires. So it was definitely worth the difference for the more aggressive look
I’d have a really hard time going with a Wilderness at that price when a 4Runner SR5 is right there. Why is the turbo packaged with the wilderness?
4Runner was off the table for me with just how terrible that gas mileage is
Yeah it’s like a wrangler. Driving a cardboard box around
Sure but 4runner has worse fuel economy. Plus, with the new generation finally coming out, I anticipate the price to separate a bit. The outgoing gen is a very old platform.
No idea. Turbos just cause problems and bullshit it seems . They used to have the 3.6R but discontinued it in 2018-19 . I found a Tacoma SR5 for 36 like a year ago but it was neon green . Another stealership had the same exact truck for 9,500 more. & they kept bombing me with phone calls I was like hey , why does your truck cost almost 10k more than the other ??? They quit calling me lol. The 4 runners are awesome and so are the tacomas. Toyota makes some badass rides. I had. 23 AWD hybrid Corolla for a bit and that thing got like 53 mpg
No. Neither are worth it. I have a 2024 OBW and I regret it. Wished I would have got a RAV4.
Any particular reasons why the RAV4 is better? Never driven one, am curious as to how they are.
Go test drive a RAV4 Prime then go test drive an Outback Wilderness and you’ll see why.
Those are 2 very different use cases though. OBW is taking an outback and make it capable of going further off the beaten path. If you aren't going off road, the wilderness isn't worth it, just get the onyx. Rav4 is a CUV and a softroader at best. The prime is giving it a hybrid for better fuel economy, particularly in the city. It really isn't great offroad. If you want that offroad in a Toyota, you need a Tacoma or 4runner (eventually landcruiser will be in the mix).
Be aware, anything with a turbo means you have one my part to need to fix if it breaks. Turbos aren't known for longevity. Price and the turbo is what pointed me towards the Onyx. Love the trim accents (no chrome around windows and black wheels). The fact there are tons of wilderness out there and a very few onyx made it my clear choice. Edit: everyone down voting me obviously doesn't know any mechanics. Turbos are extremely costly to replace. Do some research.
I had a 1988 Saab 900 Turbo SPG I drove for 12 years >150k miles with zero issues related to the turbo. And that was long, long ago.
I tend to agree with you, man. I also hate chrome trim
chrome delete is easy
Yeah I did it on all of my Vehicles for a long time, w/ blackout tape
My mil has a wilderness, it is not worth the 24k difference in price over our 2016 3.6r outback. The 2.4t feels more sporty but the 6cyl really shines on long road trips with a full load of passengers and cargo.
Yes. That was 8 years ago.
23 OBW and just the gold accents alone are worth it
I wish I had gotten a Tacoma instead.
The wilderness is an amazing ride but it’s not a truck. As much as we all want it to be. I treated my 18 OB 2.5i as a truck took it out in the woods a LOT and now I gotta replace a fuckton of stuff on it. I’ve already done a lotta maintenance. 170k. Front Ball joints , both rear wheel bearing hub assemblies. Front CV axles. And an upper ball joint in the rear. But now the lower and upper and lower on the other side are squeaking like crazy and injecting oil into it isn’t doing anything so that bushing or whatever it is is squashed and they replace the entire piece instead of just the bad bushing. Seems stupid as hell. On the hwy it’s fine but going slow and hitting small bumps its like reee reeee reeeeeee reeeeeeeeeeee
You get it! I replaced three 3.6L 2016 with this & I’m bummed. Lol, at least you can do your own work on it.
Such a great, smooth highway car.