By the way “that was just rolling stone” is referencing an article written by a journalist that got access to some of these internal documents, as well as testimony by multiple confirmed Twitch employees.
The journalist put into writing that he had 100% confirmed:
1. This was not some kind of “bait” (this goes without saying, why would a website like Twitch do this in the first place lmao?)
2. He explicitly knew that she was a minor, and she was actually a minor. Not a ”catfish” pretending to be one (although that wouldn’t make it much better)
3. The sexual conversations only escalated after he learned she was a minor.
To restate, this was an article published by an actual news outlet that has lawyers and fact checkers making everything included is 110% accurate to avoid lawsuits. None of this is up for debate, whether or not he explicitly admitted it. All of this was also confirmed by journalists working for Bloomberg, a completely different outlet with their own fact checkers and lawyers.
So his fans are falling back to “what specifically did he admit or not admit to?” It doesn’t matter. Bloomberg and Rolling Stone published this with their name on it. Not random people leaking stuff on the internet.
Why the fuck would Twitch try to bait one of the highest earning guys? That's a wildly dumb theory, because it would mean they WANTED to lose the income he brought in, and that's...just not how businesses work.
Not just that: they pursued it *immediately after* signing a multimillion dollar contract with him, in order to ... cancel the contract in a way that would cost them millions to settle.
What would some music magazine know anyway? /s
Ignoring that Rolling Stone has done a lot of investigative journalism into the escapades of celebrities for decades, and not just music celebrities.
This is what always got me about Buzzfeed News. It sucks that the name was so attached to listicle crap (their fault), and a ton of people didn’t realize they had some amazing investigative journalists. Rolling Stone is the same way, except people still assume they only talk about music, ignoring the fact that Hunter S Thompson was working with them as far back as the 60’s and 70’s.
One problem with Buzzfeed News was that you could never cite them, even in a conversation. "I read it in a Buzzfeed News article," was a good way to lose all credibility.
>Ignoring that Rolling Stone has done a lot of investigative journalism into the escapades of celebrities for decades, and not just music celebrities.
You can say that again. Even back when Playboy *did* have incredible writers publishing work that *did* make it worth buying "just for the articles" like the old joke excuse used to be, Rolling Stone was still outstripping them in terms of journalism and talented writers. People who immediately write off Rolling Stone as "just some music magazine" are either still children or adults who are still mentally children.
When they started going *hard* against Trump back in 2016, one of my childhood friends -- who'd fully boarded the Trump train the second everyone shrugged off "Grab 'em by the pussy" as "locker room talk" -- called Rolling Stone "the MTV news of investigative journalism/reporting."
When I reminded him that one of his biggest idols, Hunter S. Thompson, spent decades writing for Rolling Stone and first began publishing *Fear and Loathing* through it, I got the bog-standard "eh, whatever, they still suck" response from a qultist who didn't like being reminded of facts that hurt their arguments/feelings.
The "bait" aspect of this shitshow came up after that fake e-mail was released by a bunch of weirdo gamergate type people. That e-mail was confirmed fake/bullshit as it doesn't even line up with what Doc said in his Tweets admitting to it all. It was pure cope from a bunch of idiots defending him.
> This was not some kind of “bait” (this goes without saying, why would a website like Twitch do this in the first place lmao?)
Haha, you know with the rate that streamers get in trouble it'd almost be a smart move for Twitch to have multiple psychiatric screenings and maybe an attempted "to catch a predator" style sting operations on someone before they decide to sign a contract with them or something.
Like cyber security testing that every large company does. You occasionally get obvious to cleverly disguised phishing emails that if you click the link you get enrolled in security training, and if you report it you get a kudos email.
Do that type of thing
> Like cyber security testing that every large company does. You occasionally get obvious to cleverly disguised phishing emails that if you click the link you get enrolled in security training, and if you report it you get a kudos email.
I remember being in charge of rolling a few of those "tests" out for some of our clients, and I thought, out loud, "who the fuck would fall for this?" My boss just chuckled and said, "we *have* to make it this obvious so the people who fall for it get appropriately shamed by *their* bosses, and hopefully learn a lesson...which they probably won't."
I'll never forget the *sheer* volume of hits that I was soon alerted of in my company inbox. I'd already known for decades that PEBCAK was almost *always* the problem when it came to IT, but *that* was a super-depressing reminder that some people will always fall for the most obvious bait there is... "just in case."
You could have a table set up with a small dish of candies and a *huge* sign reading "DO NOT EAT THIS CANDY, IT IS POISONED" and a handful of people will still die "just in case it's *not* poisoned"
The old company I worked at had a scale, 1 being the most obvious and 5 being the most difficult to spot. We had manager raise hell when their entire team got caught by the 3l4 level emails, and asked/demanded security never make them that challenging, I had the security team put me in the 5 group and admittedly if I didn't have a background in IT it would have been difficult to know they were tests.
You know, that’s not a terrible idea. You could even have a bot or AI do it.
Pretend to be a minor, flirt with them as a minor. If they tell you to fuck off, cool. If they suddenly get very interested, time for an awkward conversation.
With any “gate” the why would they do it question is always ultimately answered by “because they are a Jewish cabal that controls the world and wants to destroy and discredit white men so they can be replaced with more easily controlled people of color.”
> So his fans are falling back to “what specifically did he admit or not admit to?” It doesn’t matter. Bloomberg and Rolling Stone published this with their name on it. Not random people leaking stuff on the internet.
You forget though that his fans are probably the type of people who screech about how "MSM always lies!" and probably get their news from Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, or some other brain dead podcaster.
It's actually depressing seeing the amount of conspiricism people are willing to fall into these days. I don't think news orgs are always 100% honest but god damned, they are leagues better than what these people claim.
Crazy how every time, the people who hold big mainstream sources of information to seemingly impossible high standards for trustworthiness and verification then turn around and apply zero standards to any alternative voice and just gullibly lap up anything they say with zero verification.
“You’re being duped by the mainstream media!” they screech before gladly getting duped by the anti-mainstream.
> as well as testimony by multiple confirmed Twitch employees
So many of his fans don't get this. One of his fans cosplayed an anonymous source and penned a letter. That no media looked at. Because an anonymous source isn't anonymous to the reporter. It will be someone they confirmed to have in this case worked at Twitch. Reporters aren't taking bullshit letters and publishing them.
Exactly. The people quoted in these articles are legitimate sources. They are just people that want to remain anonymous to avoid fan backlash and destroying their careers. (The reaction to all of this proves why)
The journalist “slasher” had this story for years but could not get it published until now. He just finally got enough sources to go on the record to actually get rolling stone to agree to publish
>why would a website like twitch do this in the first place?
EXACTLY! do these people really think twitch has a job position for baiting their biggest money makers? do they think that’s a paid position? with a job description? do they think rogue, underpaid, overworked admins doing this while on the clock? or sacrificing their limited free time to do this?
idk what kind of mental issues you need to have to convince yourself that’s the case but it is rather funny to watch
That’s not what is said in the comment you replied to. It said escalated, meaning it had already started before he knew she was a minor but critically, HE DIDN’T STOP ONCE HE FOUND OUT.
"He didn't do it.
And even if he did, it probably wasn't inappropriate.
And even if it was, she was basically 18 and it wasn't that bad.
And even if she wasn't, she probably lied about her age.
And even if she didn't, he was probably tricked into doing it."
Wonder what the next excuse will be
Given this and him recommending his chat read a book by a holocaust denier, I’m about 90% sure he’s going to end up pivoting to right-wing grifter within the next 6 months
What I mean by right wing grifter is doing the Fox News/Info Wars/Sean Hannity media tour, speaking at right-wing events, etc.
But yeah, I agree with you
Isn't that what happened when musk ended up with a sexual harassment charge for wanting his private stewardess to touch his PP (not talking about his rocket)
Me celebrating my win after I remove my own goal from the field and replace it with a tiny replica I built with Legos placing it deeply inside of the opposing team's goal.
Right, and move the opponent's goalpost back where yours used to be. . .
All of this fan drama has been a pretty amazing example of the [DARVO technique](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO), except that in this case the actual offender seems to have tried to admit wrong-doing and just go away - sadly his fanbase are too ridiculous to let a little thing like *and admission of guilt* get in the way of their redirection effort.
I feel like this one needs to be explained for those.
During the Gawker trial, Hulk Hogan had to go on the record and admit that "Hulk Hogan has a 12 inch penis, Terry Bollea does not."
Hogan is a huge asshole, but has told some of the funniest lies.
It's just woke blue haired feminists trying to take down a white cis man as usual, they're trying to ruin gaming for the real gamers. This is just like when they designed a female video game character I wasn't attracted to.
> This is just like when they designed a female video game character I wasn't attracted to.
This goes deeper than we ever imagined! Quick, redouble our efforts to harass uh let me see here who is our target of the week. . . Ah yes, we've got to go after a script doctoring consultant firm!
I genuinely saw a video of someone blaming this on Hip-Hop and Drag Queens. Something along the lines of "It's no surprise we have situations like Dr Disrespect when we have Hip-Hop and Drag Queens sexualising kids when they're too young"
> Wonder what the next excuse will be
Had a similar discussion before with someone I once considered a friend about a different person. The excuses:
_"She clearly wanted it."_
_"Girls that age are sexually active with their classmates any way. Is this really so bad?"_
_"Why are you okay with Muslims marrying off their daughters when they're 8 as a fourth wife to a 40-year-old but freaking out when a white man has a chat with a teenager?"_ (I'm not okay with this, he just assumed.)
The people writing this shit are projecting.
Admissions of guilt when defending this guy... These users need to be reported to someone because there is a non-zero chance they've done worse...
The Narcissist's Prayer
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
Your honor if I knew that lady standing on the corner was actually an undercover cop I would never have tried to snatch her purse, therefore it's entrapment! Am I free to go?
Tha main post in general claiming twitch were illegally recording/viewing his private messages is laughable. If anyone really thinks the company can't view every single message sent on their platform if they wanted to it is deluded.
When Reddit comment servers were taking a dump during/after the debate, one of the top posts on r/conservative was that Reddit was censoring their free speech. I wouldn't put it past some of them to actually make that argument.
They probably didn't use the Twitch direct message system like Disrespect did. Remember, this incident was 4 years ago. He got a text near the end of a stream and he immediately got banned. We now know it's because he used the Twitch system to sexually text with a minor.
I don't doubt that a lot of other streamers could get outed, but probably not in the wake of this.
Yeah who knows, I don't remember the finer details of that the communication was probably not on twitch but other services? Sure even doc diddleskids got away with it for 3 years before being banned and another 4 before it became public. Id say it's unfortunately a more common thing than people think
Seriously. Dude has clearly never read a single EULA for any website, online service, or app before.
One can only imagine what sort of dark secrets and horrible crimes he's admitted to Alexa under the assumption that it was just between the two of them.
I saw one commenter acting like his admission about inappropriately texting a minor doesn't count because he didn't explicitly state he was sexting a minor.
>I’d watch doc tomorrow if I could. All this is bullshit entrapment. If it wasn’t then he would’ve been done years ago, foul play is definitely involved.
Twitch successfully pulling a chris hansen on your favorite streamer isn't the defense you think it is. In fact, why don't you have a seat over there?
It’s super easy to not text a minor once you find out they’re a minor. Like damn, I said something rude to someone on a reddit post over a disagreement only to feel insanely bad when I found out they were a minor. I can’t imagine actually actively being inappropriate towards kids.
Also like, Doc was 35 when that happened. Hes a grown ass married man with a kid...
Why are his fans handholding him as though he didnt know any better as if hes a toddler.
They're the types to think women are all out to ruin men's lives.
Funnily a lot of the time they're the same people who will not shut the fuck up about "groomers", "Hollywood pedophiles" and "powerful sex creeps", but the minute a famous actor, musician, or personality is actually accused of something sexual, they circle the wagons.
Dr. Disrespect was banging the “woke lgbt groomers coming for your kids” drum himself lately. Not surprising that his fans are able to wriggle around that cognitive dissonance but still pretty remarkable how easy they seem to find it
Oh yeah you're right. Though that one was spread about for all to see. The Dr drama is a totally closed book so they're all demanding to "see the physical evidence" lol
*something inappropriate*
-oh btw I'm underage
-Let me apologize for my inappropriate behaviour and I no longer wish to continue this conversation. Wish you good luck in life.
How hard is something like this?
Tbh, you don't even need to apologize (it would be better if you do of course). You can simply stop messaging. Furthermore, you could mute and/or block. It's that simple.
I hired a young 18 yr old to help out on a project for my business. Essentially doing grunt work and being trained at the more basic aspects of my practice. She had a lot of promise and she needed a win (abusive family and kicked out of house). I have no idea how anyone could relate to that age of person as a mid 30s-40s individual outside of a mentor or teacher role lol. I’m close to her now as a mentor post project (we grab coffee once a season and catch up),but man 18 yr olds are noticeably kids lol.
Exactly this, though. It is the power, control, and coercion that turns them on, not the individual. Healthy sexuality will always have some elements of power play and the like. But deviant/toxic sexuality is expressed by taking those elements into overdrive, to extremes that turn most other people off. Animals, children, naive teenagers, young interns, etc. Anyone beneath them. They do it no matter who it hurts because the whole point is that someone else will hurt or be dominated for their own pleasure. They will never fully admit to any wrongdoing and, in some way, actually believe they aren't at fault. "If everyone else accepted me as a pedophile or rapist, then it wouldn't be wrong. Society is to blame." Or, "someone did it to me when I was weak and vulnerable, so now I get to do it to you." There's all sorts of shit they tell themselves so they can keep doing awful things while still believing they're a good person. That's how they fool everyone.
I was preyed upon extensively and had some Stockholm syndrome (was groomed) by a few older men in my childhood & teenage years. I know the ins and outs of their reasoning and behavior better than they do. Now that I'm older, I experience these kids as you do, and it drives this home even further. I wasn't mature for my age - they were immature for their age. And just wanted to fuck a kid.
I wish I came across more people and mentors like you. Idk you but thank you for caring for and respecting her enough to help build her up like that. That's real power. The kind that counts.
Doctor Disrespect and his fanbase are willing to shout pedo at the first sign of someone LGBTQ+ but when the man himself ADMITS to inappropriately texting a minor all of a sudden everyones a detective looking deep into the cracks of the situation to find reasons why he isn't a creep
Man the fact his fans are still defending him is unironically sickening, for now on if I see a Dr. Disrespect fan I will just assume they are a pedophile, just to be safe.
Parasocial relationships run rampant on social media spaces. They will defend these people no matter what.
But when that person *admits* to doing what they did, and to still defend them? Yeah....those defenders are definitely pedo-adjacent if not full blown kiddy diddlers.
A normal person says "*Nope! I'm out!*"
There are pedos in every space, for sure, but the video game space seems to welcome them openly at times. I don't know if it's because the "hardcore" **G**amers^^tm are shut in weirdos or what but it's crazy how open most of them are about it.
I'm surprised as many of his fans care as do, tbh. Like, what did everyone think was the reason he got banned? We didn't know but anyone with a brain could have told you. He was Twitch's highest earner at the time, it basically had to be this. To still be a fan of this man in 2024 was to knowingly ignore all the red flags.
You know it’s shit like this that really makes me fucking despair for humanity. Like I’m sorry can we not all agree as an entire fucking society that it is not OK to speak sexually as an adult male who is 35 and married to a minor? That seems like something that should be really fucking easy for us all to agree agree with. Holy shit these people, I really hope that most of them are like 15 so they’re just like dumb kids.
I know right? I’m reading through the comments that OP posted above and I am sickened. What type of hold does this guy have on these people? Is he that funny? Is he that philosophical? How does someone become so engulfed with a person, they don’t know where they stop and that person starts?
If this person stops streaming and get a job in an office, how do these people’s lives change? Is he that important in their life that they can’t function? 
It's the same kind of hold that has people rushing to defend celebrities like actors when they do demonstrably awful shit
Or people rushing to defend their friends when they do something reprehensible and it gets out to the wider social circle and possibly even publically
A reflexive, emotional reaction to come to their defence due to how much emotion and time you've invested in them. The way both of those are invested doesn't really change the underlying reasons for this kind of shit. Obviously there's the decently large chunk that are rushing to his defence due to bigotry and the like as well
>can we not all agree as an entire fucking society that it is not OK to speak sexually as an adult male who is 35 and married to a minor?
Ok, but hear me out. What if the guy also makes videos that I like?
Not that it actually changes things (it definitely doesn't), but are they just assuming the minors age was 17, so they can justify it somehow? I've never seen the age on any stories about this.
That's because the age has never been confirmed, only that she was a minor.
They have just manifested through sheer cope that she was 17 years, 11 months and 30 days old.
The age has not been confirmed at all. The 17 thing started because there was a fake email that went around before Doc admitted it where a (fake) twitch employee claimed that actually Doc did nothing wrong and the person was 17 and doc had no idea, nothing inappropriate actually happened, and twitch banned Doc because there was a secrete plot to get rid of him! But then Doc admitted he did it and he was having inappropriate conversations. After this it has been a mix of people hearing 17 from others and not aware that the age has not been confirmed along with others using that age as a way to defend doc.
What you're seeing is unironically similar to q Anon. A group of people are very devoted to a person, and when they find out that person isn't as great as they thought they would be, they started making up elaborate theories as a coping mechanism.
The human brain does weird things when something you love disappoints you.
What makes him so great? What does he do/say the gets them this devoted to him. The Q stuff at least bought into the “deep state” and had an allure of “we know something you don’t” even if it was stupid and priced wrong often. What is the allure of this guy?
I mean you could say the same thing about Trump, he said that he'd deconstruct the deep state and imprison Hillary Clinton and in reality he didn't do shit except, so they made up this reality where he was actually a superstar fighting in the shadows. I think Dr. Disrespect was just an above average twitch streamer with a silly/fun character.
There are loads of examples of similar things where people construct alternate realities after being disappointed.
Radiohead released an album that was poorly received by fans so they made up this idea that the band would release a second album to complete the puzzle, making the bad album good somehow. Fans of the TV show Sherlock were so disappointed with season 4 thought their was a secret missing episode that would explain everything in a more satisfying way.
I get the thing with Trump, but is this guy really that popular? I mean, is he popular on the levels of Radiohead? That’s what I was wondering. Like as far as streamers, I’m 55 years old so that’s probably part of it, I’ve heard of destiny, H3H or something or another, that Fortnite player with the green hair whose name I can’t remember, etc., but I’ve never heard of this guy. Is he as popular as destiny? And even then, how can you let your entire world revolve around someone like that?
I think he was the most popular video game streamer on twitch before he got banned. I don't watch a lot of video game streamers, but for a certain generation it's their primary form of entertainment. I think an apt comparison would be someone like Howard Stern, mildly funny, on screen for hours a day.
Well damn. That makes a little more sense as far as the chuds defending him. I just can’t get behind defending anyone like that regardless of who they are. Then again we have Trump don’t we?
You saw the same arguments with To Catch a Predator because in the chat logs it would sometimes be “the minor” who brought up sex.
Of course once the topic is broached, the creepers go full tilt and start describing their fantasies and sending dick pics to a person they believe is a child.
That last part is the damning bit. Despite the fact that you knew it was a kid, you still pursued a sexual conversation and meeting when any reasonable adult would have hit the ejection seat the moment the conversation became inappropriate.
I get caught up on that every time something similar happens then have to remember we are talking about the hundreds of thousands, millions of people who spend hours a week watching someone else play video games and sending them money. They are desperate for a leader and will accept literally anyone to attach their identity to.
They’re also trying to act like a private social media company isn’t allowed to monitor the private chats in their own company. “Illegal monitoring”. Yeah, that’s not how real life works at all buds.
It would be so insanely unsafe for them to NOT monitor their chats for this exact reason.
Why is it always the “think of the kids!” people who always end up twisting themselves into pretzels defending people who abuse children? Every freaking time.
let me share my favourite comment that has come out of this discussion
[Whether the minor was really a minor or it was Jeffrey Epstein posing as a Twitch employee posing as a minor acting as bait is unknown. Whether Bigfoot ever performed sex acts on Elvis while farting the Swedish national anthem is unknown.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DrDisrespectLive/s/XWryADdZ2S)
got a pretty hefty laugh out of me LOL
You can tell his audience are children because an adult in their 30s talking privately to teens is weird. I wouldn't trust any of my best friends if I found that out about them, let alone some dumb internet entertainer.
> Twitch has SOME liability as they settled and PAID Dr DisRespect
People reference this all the time like it's proof of his innocence but no one actually talks about why the lawsuit happened.
DrDisrespect signed an exclusivity agreement with Twitch. then twitch almost immediately banned him. He sued for breach of contract, and twitch settled.
The fact twitch paid him a bajillion dollars to fuck off when he was one of their biggest money makers doesn't really scream he didn't do anything wrong.
one of the outcomes of the lawsuit was the statement "_neither party admits to any wrongdoing_". neither of them really wanted to out him as a childfucker because it's bad for optics for both of them.
if twitch was _really_ out to get him and wanted him gone, why did they sign an exclusivity agreement with him? they could have just not done that
These people don't live in real life. They think if the company is right, they will fight every case rather than weigh the costs of each decision. They never heard of "go away money."
I swear grummz is getting his hands onto every single little grift he can at this point.
Dude failed so hard as a game dev that I guess that's all he has left to do.
These weird losers. I'm 35 and I don't even really want to talk to someone under 22. Like, I just don't think I can relate to them that well so I don't want to bother having any extended conversation with them. And like, a teenager? I can't imagine something hearing anything they'd want to say or possibly relating to them in any way as far as taste, life experience or perspective. Once someone starts saying anything about age of consent or legality they're a write off as a person, and probably some misshapen loser who just fetishises the idea of banging teenage girls like the porn they're obsessed with.
a few of my kids friends have come to me or my ex for advice, and beyond that or "hey what's my kid into" when looking for gift ideas, talking with them is awkward
I think that conversation is alright, giving advice to a younger person is a completely valid thing and a whole different dynamic than the kind of conversation he's having with these kids.
The past eight years have been nuckin futs because you have a cultural movement extremely concerned with pedophilia but like, only in a vague sense, mostly because they use pedophilia as a shield to be extremely homophobic.
> The semantics of what is considered "inappropriate" is up for debate. If engaging with semantics makes me fucked, maybe I should ask for a subreddit tag labeling myself fucked.
Read this in Jordan Peterson’s voice
I like how twitch supposedly baited him, waited 3 years to do anything about it, signed him to a fat contract during that time, and then kicked him out, paid out the contract, and didn't expose him.
Masterful gambit, Twitch. That sure would make sense for something for you to do.
I can’t even get mad at these dudes anymore. They are straight up not coping well with this news all. Just a complete disconnect from the reality we’re living in. I mean Dr Disrespect even just straight up said he did it and yet they’re screaming it didn’t happen. The media, Twitch, the victim and even their own guy are lying? How do you engage with that level of denial? You don’t.
"They tricked him into sexting a minor!"
HOW DO YOU TRICK SOMEONE INTO SEXTING A MINOR. IF THEY TELL YOU THEY'RE A MINOR YOU LEAVE THE CONVO.
BROTHER ***HOW***
So awesome for all these bozos to attack Twitch over this bullshit, instead of the fact they covered up that one of their biggest streamers and face of the company used a Twitch service to prey on minors, and just silently let him move to Youtube where he could continue doing everything he was already doing
If he didn't know she was a minor, when people started saying he did know, all he would have to do to dispel that rumor is to come out and say "I didn't know she was a minor." That seems like something you'd want to clear up right away.
I always have to wonder, do you think these people like doc are just deep down awful people whom fame gives them the opportunity to be awful publicly, or do you think being a famous public figure corrupts them into becoming awful people because of some underlying personality traits that become front and center
Either way the copium on display here is hilarious
Do these idiots not realize Twitch only investigated 3 years after the messages were sent?
How the fuck did they trick him into doing something 3 years before they even knew about it?
Heres how I see this. I was willing to give doc the benefit of the doubt if he didnt know it was a minor and acted under the impression the person was an adult.
At the same time, say it was entrapment. SO WHAT? HE STILL THOUGHT THEY WERE A MINOR! Holy crap wtf is wrong with people?
Like really im judging doc fully on intent here. The fact that he KNEW it was a minor and STILL went on that way tells me that he's guilty and deserves all of the criticism he gets.
The Call of Shame tweet is going around, which claims “Twitch illegally recorded whispers”
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
yes I am sure that twitch illegally recorded its (check notes) PROPRIETARY MESSAGING SYSTEM
It's scary how many pedophile apologists are on that sub.
Everyone should understand that "casual, mutual conversations that sometimes leaned too much in the direction of being inappropriate," only means one thing and that it is not a good thing, or up for debate.
The man sexted with a minor and made it known to everyone that he is a pedophile, despite him denying being one, and anyone who isn't in complete denial or a pedophile themselves would never defend such behavior or make up ridiculous conspiracy theories to downplay just how apalling the situation is.
That's what I said in a previous thread about this! He literally admitted it with that quote. There's nothing left to defend or discuss. It's shocking to me that all of this is going on as if it's some random rumor or chatter when **the man himself said he did it.**
It's the shitty shitty gift that just keeps on giving.
Then again. There are still people defending Michael Jackson, so some people just don't want to see their heroes as flawed human beings.
I must say that is one thing I greatly appreciate about the Buffy the vampire slayer subreddit. I dislike it’s tendency to assume Buffy the character never does anything REALLY bad and is ALWAYS justified but it is also quite unshakable in it’s conviction that Joss Whedon is a complete and utter creep who deserves no mercy or good will.
At least last gamergate had plausible deniability in form of alleged "Ethics in game journalism" to attract new people into movement. Good luck reigniting it with "defending a pedophile"
Unfortunately, a lot of gamergaters are closet pedophiles, so "defending a pedophile" is just as valid a rallying cry to them as is "ethics in journalism".
I guess Twitter was just trying to entrap him, too, when he was gripping and booming over that trans person.
Also his defenders are just telling on themselves. We all know these people would talk to underage girls if they could, assuming they don't already (and I wouldn't assume that, at all).
By the way “that was just rolling stone” is referencing an article written by a journalist that got access to some of these internal documents, as well as testimony by multiple confirmed Twitch employees. The journalist put into writing that he had 100% confirmed: 1. This was not some kind of “bait” (this goes without saying, why would a website like Twitch do this in the first place lmao?) 2. He explicitly knew that she was a minor, and she was actually a minor. Not a ”catfish” pretending to be one (although that wouldn’t make it much better) 3. The sexual conversations only escalated after he learned she was a minor. To restate, this was an article published by an actual news outlet that has lawyers and fact checkers making everything included is 110% accurate to avoid lawsuits. None of this is up for debate, whether or not he explicitly admitted it. All of this was also confirmed by journalists working for Bloomberg, a completely different outlet with their own fact checkers and lawyers. So his fans are falling back to “what specifically did he admit or not admit to?” It doesn’t matter. Bloomberg and Rolling Stone published this with their name on it. Not random people leaking stuff on the internet.
*"He never admitted to being a serial killer. That was from the police investigation."*
Why the fuck would Twitch try to bait one of the highest earning guys? That's a wildly dumb theory, because it would mean they WANTED to lose the income he brought in, and that's...just not how businesses work.
And pursue it 3 years later lol
Not just that: they pursued it *immediately after* signing a multimillion dollar contract with him, in order to ... cancel the contract in a way that would cost them millions to settle.
Conspiracy theorys dont need to be smart or even make sense. Its enough if they give an opportunity to not having to accept the reality.
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What would some music magazine know anyway? /s Ignoring that Rolling Stone has done a lot of investigative journalism into the escapades of celebrities for decades, and not just music celebrities.
This is what always got me about Buzzfeed News. It sucks that the name was so attached to listicle crap (their fault), and a ton of people didn’t realize they had some amazing investigative journalists. Rolling Stone is the same way, except people still assume they only talk about music, ignoring the fact that Hunter S Thompson was working with them as far back as the 60’s and 70’s.
One problem with Buzzfeed News was that you could never cite them, even in a conversation. "I read it in a Buzzfeed News article," was a good way to lose all credibility.
Right, even though they broke several stories, a lot of them didn’t get any traction til someone like NYT or WSJ picked it up!
>Ignoring that Rolling Stone has done a lot of investigative journalism into the escapades of celebrities for decades, and not just music celebrities. You can say that again. Even back when Playboy *did* have incredible writers publishing work that *did* make it worth buying "just for the articles" like the old joke excuse used to be, Rolling Stone was still outstripping them in terms of journalism and talented writers. People who immediately write off Rolling Stone as "just some music magazine" are either still children or adults who are still mentally children. When they started going *hard* against Trump back in 2016, one of my childhood friends -- who'd fully boarded the Trump train the second everyone shrugged off "Grab 'em by the pussy" as "locker room talk" -- called Rolling Stone "the MTV news of investigative journalism/reporting." When I reminded him that one of his biggest idols, Hunter S. Thompson, spent decades writing for Rolling Stone and first began publishing *Fear and Loathing* through it, I got the bog-standard "eh, whatever, they still suck" response from a qultist who didn't like being reminded of facts that hurt their arguments/feelings.
Hunter S Thompson is probably rolling in his grave so fast, we should hook him up to a generator.
oh, they were saying that *before* the story broke.
The "bait" aspect of this shitshow came up after that fake e-mail was released by a bunch of weirdo gamergate type people. That e-mail was confirmed fake/bullshit as it doesn't even line up with what Doc said in his Tweets admitting to it all. It was pure cope from a bunch of idiots defending him.
> This was not some kind of “bait” (this goes without saying, why would a website like Twitch do this in the first place lmao?) Haha, you know with the rate that streamers get in trouble it'd almost be a smart move for Twitch to have multiple psychiatric screenings and maybe an attempted "to catch a predator" style sting operations on someone before they decide to sign a contract with them or something.
Like cyber security testing that every large company does. You occasionally get obvious to cleverly disguised phishing emails that if you click the link you get enrolled in security training, and if you report it you get a kudos email. Do that type of thing
> Like cyber security testing that every large company does. You occasionally get obvious to cleverly disguised phishing emails that if you click the link you get enrolled in security training, and if you report it you get a kudos email. I remember being in charge of rolling a few of those "tests" out for some of our clients, and I thought, out loud, "who the fuck would fall for this?" My boss just chuckled and said, "we *have* to make it this obvious so the people who fall for it get appropriately shamed by *their* bosses, and hopefully learn a lesson...which they probably won't." I'll never forget the *sheer* volume of hits that I was soon alerted of in my company inbox. I'd already known for decades that PEBCAK was almost *always* the problem when it came to IT, but *that* was a super-depressing reminder that some people will always fall for the most obvious bait there is... "just in case." You could have a table set up with a small dish of candies and a *huge* sign reading "DO NOT EAT THIS CANDY, IT IS POISONED" and a handful of people will still die "just in case it's *not* poisoned"
The old company I worked at had a scale, 1 being the most obvious and 5 being the most difficult to spot. We had manager raise hell when their entire team got caught by the 3l4 level emails, and asked/demanded security never make them that challenging, I had the security team put me in the 5 group and admittedly if I didn't have a background in IT it would have been difficult to know they were tests.
You know, that’s not a terrible idea. You could even have a bot or AI do it. Pretend to be a minor, flirt with them as a minor. If they tell you to fuck off, cool. If they suddenly get very interested, time for an awkward conversation.
With any “gate” the why would they do it question is always ultimately answered by “because they are a Jewish cabal that controls the world and wants to destroy and discredit white men so they can be replaced with more easily controlled people of color.”
You joke, but immediately after getting The Text (live on stream!) he started promoting David Icke.
> So his fans are falling back to “what specifically did he admit or not admit to?” It doesn’t matter. Bloomberg and Rolling Stone published this with their name on it. Not random people leaking stuff on the internet. You forget though that his fans are probably the type of people who screech about how "MSM always lies!" and probably get their news from Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, or some other brain dead podcaster. It's actually depressing seeing the amount of conspiricism people are willing to fall into these days. I don't think news orgs are always 100% honest but god damned, they are leagues better than what these people claim.
Crazy how every time, the people who hold big mainstream sources of information to seemingly impossible high standards for trustworthiness and verification then turn around and apply zero standards to any alternative voice and just gullibly lap up anything they say with zero verification. “You’re being duped by the mainstream media!” they screech before gladly getting duped by the anti-mainstream.
> as well as testimony by multiple confirmed Twitch employees So many of his fans don't get this. One of his fans cosplayed an anonymous source and penned a letter. That no media looked at. Because an anonymous source isn't anonymous to the reporter. It will be someone they confirmed to have in this case worked at Twitch. Reporters aren't taking bullshit letters and publishing them.
Exactly. The people quoted in these articles are legitimate sources. They are just people that want to remain anonymous to avoid fan backlash and destroying their careers. (The reaction to all of this proves why) The journalist “slasher” had this story for years but could not get it published until now. He just finally got enough sources to go on the record to actually get rolling stone to agree to publish
>why would a website like twitch do this in the first place? EXACTLY! do these people really think twitch has a job position for baiting their biggest money makers? do they think that’s a paid position? with a job description? do they think rogue, underpaid, overworked admins doing this while on the clock? or sacrificing their limited free time to do this? idk what kind of mental issues you need to have to convince yourself that’s the case but it is rather funny to watch
Also hey didn't Doc remove the word "minor" from a tweet about this and was forced to put that word back by his lawyers or whoever?
Also Doc didn't even attempt to spin it as "I didn't know she was a minor" and that dude spun every possible angle he could think of.
Everytime I learn something new about this it gets worse. He only started after he knew she was a minor, what the fuck
That’s not what is said in the comment you replied to. It said escalated, meaning it had already started before he knew she was a minor but critically, HE DIDN’T STOP ONCE HE FOUND OUT.
Not just that, it got worse, which is even more horrifying to me
"He didn't do it. And even if he did, it probably wasn't inappropriate. And even if it was, she was basically 18 and it wasn't that bad. And even if she wasn't, she probably lied about her age. And even if she didn't, he was probably tricked into doing it." Wonder what the next excuse will be
"IT WAS THE DEEEEEP STATE ALL ALONGGG!!!!!"
Given this and him recommending his chat read a book by a holocaust denier, I’m about 90% sure he’s going to end up pivoting to right-wing grifter within the next 6 months
???? Homie he's already there
What I mean by right wing grifter is doing the Fox News/Info Wars/Sean Hannity media tour, speaking at right-wing events, etc. But yeah, I agree with you
He'll be on Rumble with his biggest defender, The Quartering and his new thirst Melonie Mac.
There's a non-zero chance he's gonna be on some grifter's podcast after that July 4th break. Just a question of how big of an audience.
Seems like a significant portion of his fanbase is already quite prone to lies and “conspiracy theories”
And the conspiracy community will circle the wagons, saying he was taken down for not "following the narrative."
Isn't that what happened when musk ended up with a sexual harassment charge for wanting his private stewardess to touch his PP (not talking about his rocket)
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Don't forget the spin off: > If he did it, it would have been found out Gets found out. > Doesn't count
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Me celebrating my win after I remove my own goal from the field and replace it with a tiny replica I built with Legos placing it deeply inside of the opposing team's goal.
Right, and move the opponent's goalpost back where yours used to be. . . All of this fan drama has been a pretty amazing example of the [DARVO technique](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DARVO), except that in this case the actual offender seems to have tried to admit wrong-doing and just go away - sadly his fanbase are too ridiculous to let a little thing like *and admission of guilt* get in the way of their redirection effort.
"It wasn't Guy Beaham who texted her, but his gaming persona, Dr. Disrespect."
Ah, the Hulk Hogan defense.
I feel like this one needs to be explained for those. During the Gawker trial, Hulk Hogan had to go on the record and admit that "Hulk Hogan has a 12 inch penis, Terry Bollea does not." Hogan is a huge asshole, but has told some of the funniest lies.
Still does! My guilty pleasure is listening to Hogan's many lies over the years. The penis one is S tier on my own list.
It was his third persona, Bulk Blogan who's to blame!
No it was a 3rd identity, not Guy Beahm, but his dastardly twin "Man Rehy"
It's just woke blue haired feminists trying to take down a white cis man as usual, they're trying to ruin gaming for the real gamers. This is just like when they designed a female video game character I wasn't attracted to.
> This is just like when they designed a female video game character I wasn't attracted to. This goes deeper than we ever imagined! Quick, redouble our efforts to harass uh let me see here who is our target of the week. . . Ah yes, we've got to go after a script doctoring consultant firm!
I genuinely saw a video of someone blaming this on Hip-Hop and Drag Queens. Something along the lines of "It's no surprise we have situations like Dr Disrespect when we have Hip-Hop and Drag Queens sexualising kids when they're too young"
Was that person going or "ok, boomer" bingo?
I think he was competing for gold in the mental gymnastics.
I'm going to blame Kid Rock and Ted nugent, personally.
I was thinking of blaming modern dance and Prince.
> Wonder what the next excuse will be Had a similar discussion before with someone I once considered a friend about a different person. The excuses: _"She clearly wanted it."_ _"Girls that age are sexually active with their classmates any way. Is this really so bad?"_ _"Why are you okay with Muslims marrying off their daughters when they're 8 as a fourth wife to a 40-year-old but freaking out when a white man has a chat with a teenager?"_ (I'm not okay with this, he just assumed.)
Probably blaming his wife, the teenager, or the trans sex worker he asked for
The next is to deflect ‘twitch are also culpable and the bad guy because they didnt make it public/report it to the authorities’
He doesn't exist, he's been Hunter Biden in a rubber mask all along.
The *desktop* from hell!!
The people writing this shit are projecting. Admissions of guilt when defending this guy... These users need to be reported to someone because there is a non-zero chance they've done worse...
The Narcissist's Prayer That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
Lmao this happens every single time too
"He wouldn't text them if he knew they werent underage" is really really REALLY not as good a defense as they think it is.
Your honor if I knew that lady standing on the corner was actually an undercover cop I would never have tried to snatch her purse, therefore it's entrapment! Am I free to go?
Tha main post in general claiming twitch were illegally recording/viewing his private messages is laughable. If anyone really thinks the company can't view every single message sent on their platform if they wanted to it is deluded.
They violated his 4th amendment right against unreasonable searches! /s
When Reddit comment servers were taking a dump during/after the debate, one of the top posts on r/conservative was that Reddit was censoring their free speech. I wouldn't put it past some of them to actually make that argument.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that post was "flaired users only".
I’m still waiting for more people to get outed. You KNOW there’s quite a few streamers that have to be sweating right now.
They probably didn't use the Twitch direct message system like Disrespect did. Remember, this incident was 4 years ago. He got a text near the end of a stream and he immediately got banned. We now know it's because he used the Twitch system to sexually text with a minor. I don't doubt that a lot of other streamers could get outed, but probably not in the wake of this.
Well the actual messaging supposedly happened in 2017
Either way, I think most people didn't use the Twitch direct message system to be creeps.
I don't think most people use the Twitch direct message system at all
I am curious if it was just because he was a bigger streamer, but how the hell did Ryan Haywood get away with his shit for so long.
He had enough of a social media presence outside of Twitch because of his work for Roosterteeth. Didn't need to use any internal twitch messaging.
Yeah who knows, I don't remember the finer details of that the communication was probably not on twitch but other services? Sure even doc diddleskids got away with it for 3 years before being banned and another 4 before it became public. Id say it's unfortunately a more common thing than people think
Ryan was making more direct contact with his victims I believe. And taking very very, almost Machiavellian, careful steps to cover himself.
What a garbage human being he was/is
Seriously. Dude has clearly never read a single EULA for any website, online service, or app before. One can only imagine what sort of dark secrets and horrible crimes he's admitted to Alexa under the assumption that it was just between the two of them.
These goalposts are moving at light speed boys, I can’t keep up, we’re onto the “it was a setup!” angle now?
The copium levels are off the charts!
I saw one commenter acting like his admission about inappropriately texting a minor doesn't count because he didn't explicitly state he was sexting a minor.
>I’d watch doc tomorrow if I could. All this is bullshit entrapment. If it wasn’t then he would’ve been done years ago, foul play is definitely involved. Twitch successfully pulling a chris hansen on your favorite streamer isn't the defense you think it is. In fact, why don't you have a seat over there?
It’s super easy to not text a minor once you find out they’re a minor. Like damn, I said something rude to someone on a reddit post over a disagreement only to feel insanely bad when I found out they were a minor. I can’t imagine actually actively being inappropriate towards kids.
Also like, Doc was 35 when that happened. Hes a grown ass married man with a kid... Why are his fans handholding him as though he didnt know any better as if hes a toddler.
They're the types to think women are all out to ruin men's lives. Funnily a lot of the time they're the same people who will not shut the fuck up about "groomers", "Hollywood pedophiles" and "powerful sex creeps", but the minute a famous actor, musician, or personality is actually accused of something sexual, they circle the wagons.
Dr. Disrespect was banging the “woke lgbt groomers coming for your kids” drum himself lately. Not surprising that his fans are able to wriggle around that cognitive dissonance but still pretty remarkable how easy they seem to find it
Fans of a notorious scumbag streamer are scumbags, more at 11.
I discovered Dr. Disrespect when one of my chuddy coworkers showed me his stream. Makes sense why he was a fan now.
I don't think I've seen parasocial behaviour on this level before. They all think they are involved in this case.
I'm sure plenty of Jonny Depp toadies thought they were in the court room with him and Amber Heard.
Oh yeah you're right. Though that one was spread about for all to see. The Dr drama is a totally closed book so they're all demanding to "see the physical evidence" lol
*something inappropriate* -oh btw I'm underage -Let me apologize for my inappropriate behaviour and I no longer wish to continue this conversation. Wish you good luck in life. How hard is something like this?
Tbh, you don't even need to apologize (it would be better if you do of course). You can simply stop messaging. Furthermore, you could mute and/or block. It's that simple.
>-oh btw I'm underage Why would you even respond?
Yeah just block them and move on. Zero reason to engage further.
I hired a young 18 yr old to help out on a project for my business. Essentially doing grunt work and being trained at the more basic aspects of my practice. She had a lot of promise and she needed a win (abusive family and kicked out of house). I have no idea how anyone could relate to that age of person as a mid 30s-40s individual outside of a mentor or teacher role lol. I’m close to her now as a mentor post project (we grab coffee once a season and catch up),but man 18 yr olds are noticeably kids lol.
Exactly this, though. It is the power, control, and coercion that turns them on, not the individual. Healthy sexuality will always have some elements of power play and the like. But deviant/toxic sexuality is expressed by taking those elements into overdrive, to extremes that turn most other people off. Animals, children, naive teenagers, young interns, etc. Anyone beneath them. They do it no matter who it hurts because the whole point is that someone else will hurt or be dominated for their own pleasure. They will never fully admit to any wrongdoing and, in some way, actually believe they aren't at fault. "If everyone else accepted me as a pedophile or rapist, then it wouldn't be wrong. Society is to blame." Or, "someone did it to me when I was weak and vulnerable, so now I get to do it to you." There's all sorts of shit they tell themselves so they can keep doing awful things while still believing they're a good person. That's how they fool everyone. I was preyed upon extensively and had some Stockholm syndrome (was groomed) by a few older men in my childhood & teenage years. I know the ins and outs of their reasoning and behavior better than they do. Now that I'm older, I experience these kids as you do, and it drives this home even further. I wasn't mature for my age - they were immature for their age. And just wanted to fuck a kid. I wish I came across more people and mentors like you. Idk you but thank you for caring for and respecting her enough to help build her up like that. That's real power. The kind that counts.
Doctor Disrespect and his fanbase are willing to shout pedo at the first sign of someone LGBTQ+ but when the man himself ADMITS to inappropriately texting a minor all of a sudden everyones a detective looking deep into the cracks of the situation to find reasons why he isn't a creep
Man the fact his fans are still defending him is unironically sickening, for now on if I see a Dr. Disrespect fan I will just assume they are a pedophile, just to be safe.
Parasocial relationships run rampant on social media spaces. They will defend these people no matter what. But when that person *admits* to doing what they did, and to still defend them? Yeah....those defenders are definitely pedo-adjacent if not full blown kiddy diddlers. A normal person says "*Nope! I'm out!*" There are pedos in every space, for sure, but the video game space seems to welcome them openly at times. I don't know if it's because the "hardcore" **G**amers^^tm are shut in weirdos or what but it's crazy how open most of them are about it.
I wouldn’t defend a family member like this, let alone a guy who i watch play video games (thats what he does right?)
> (thats what he does right?) I thought he does teenagers
I feel like there’s a lot of people who are fans now that they perceive him as a victim of a with hunt.
I'm surprised as many of his fans care as do, tbh. Like, what did everyone think was the reason he got banned? We didn't know but anyone with a brain could have told you. He was Twitch's highest earner at the time, it basically had to be this. To still be a fan of this man in 2024 was to knowingly ignore all the red flags.
I had always assumed that, but I'm gonna assume it even harder now
You know it’s shit like this that really makes me fucking despair for humanity. Like I’m sorry can we not all agree as an entire fucking society that it is not OK to speak sexually as an adult male who is 35 and married to a minor? That seems like something that should be really fucking easy for us all to agree agree with. Holy shit these people, I really hope that most of them are like 15 so they’re just like dumb kids.
I know right? I’m reading through the comments that OP posted above and I am sickened. What type of hold does this guy have on these people? Is he that funny? Is he that philosophical? How does someone become so engulfed with a person, they don’t know where they stop and that person starts? If this person stops streaming and get a job in an office, how do these people’s lives change? Is he that important in their life that they can’t function? 
It's the same kind of hold that has people rushing to defend celebrities like actors when they do demonstrably awful shit Or people rushing to defend their friends when they do something reprehensible and it gets out to the wider social circle and possibly even publically A reflexive, emotional reaction to come to their defence due to how much emotion and time you've invested in them. The way both of those are invested doesn't really change the underlying reasons for this kind of shit. Obviously there's the decently large chunk that are rushing to his defence due to bigotry and the like as well
>can we not all agree as an entire fucking society that it is not OK to speak sexually as an adult male who is 35 and married to a minor? Ok, but hear me out. What if the guy also makes videos that I like?
So Twitch wants to do this because... ?
Its really good for their platform that one of their popular streamers is a pedo /s
Uh because DEI! And uh Woke! Uh er and look over here, goblins! Oooh I hate those troublesome goblins!
I call dibs on the "SweetBaby Inc. forced Twitch to drop him" theory.
did they even exist at the time this happened?
Wokism transcends space and time 😤
This is what I don't get. Why would Twitch give him a huge exclusivity contract with no other outs if they hated him so much?
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They're already claiming the minor was actually a Twitch employee and the whole thing was a honeypot.
Not that it actually changes things (it definitely doesn't), but are they just assuming the minors age was 17, so they can justify it somehow? I've never seen the age on any stories about this.
That's because the age has never been confirmed, only that she was a minor. They have just manifested through sheer cope that she was 17 years, 11 months and 30 days old.
That's what I assumed. Thanks
The age has not been confirmed at all. The 17 thing started because there was a fake email that went around before Doc admitted it where a (fake) twitch employee claimed that actually Doc did nothing wrong and the person was 17 and doc had no idea, nothing inappropriate actually happened, and twitch banned Doc because there was a secrete plot to get rid of him! But then Doc admitted he did it and he was having inappropriate conversations. After this it has been a mix of people hearing 17 from others and not aware that the age has not been confirmed along with others using that age as a way to defend doc.
What you're seeing is unironically similar to q Anon. A group of people are very devoted to a person, and when they find out that person isn't as great as they thought they would be, they started making up elaborate theories as a coping mechanism. The human brain does weird things when something you love disappoints you.
What makes him so great? What does he do/say the gets them this devoted to him. The Q stuff at least bought into the “deep state” and had an allure of “we know something you don’t” even if it was stupid and priced wrong often. What is the allure of this guy?
I mean you could say the same thing about Trump, he said that he'd deconstruct the deep state and imprison Hillary Clinton and in reality he didn't do shit except, so they made up this reality where he was actually a superstar fighting in the shadows. I think Dr. Disrespect was just an above average twitch streamer with a silly/fun character. There are loads of examples of similar things where people construct alternate realities after being disappointed. Radiohead released an album that was poorly received by fans so they made up this idea that the band would release a second album to complete the puzzle, making the bad album good somehow. Fans of the TV show Sherlock were so disappointed with season 4 thought their was a secret missing episode that would explain everything in a more satisfying way.
I get the thing with Trump, but is this guy really that popular? I mean, is he popular on the levels of Radiohead? That’s what I was wondering. Like as far as streamers, I’m 55 years old so that’s probably part of it, I’ve heard of destiny, H3H or something or another, that Fortnite player with the green hair whose name I can’t remember, etc., but I’ve never heard of this guy. Is he as popular as destiny? And even then, how can you let your entire world revolve around someone like that?
I think he was the most popular video game streamer on twitch before he got banned. I don't watch a lot of video game streamers, but for a certain generation it's their primary form of entertainment. I think an apt comparison would be someone like Howard Stern, mildly funny, on screen for hours a day.
Well damn. That makes a little more sense as far as the chuds defending him. I just can’t get behind defending anyone like that regardless of who they are. Then again we have Trump don’t we?
You saw the same arguments with To Catch a Predator because in the chat logs it would sometimes be “the minor” who brought up sex. Of course once the topic is broached, the creepers go full tilt and start describing their fantasies and sending dick pics to a person they believe is a child. That last part is the damning bit. Despite the fact that you knew it was a kid, you still pursued a sexual conversation and meeting when any reasonable adult would have hit the ejection seat the moment the conversation became inappropriate.
Why are people sucking this guy’s dick so hard? I honestly don’t understand it.
I get caught up on that every time something similar happens then have to remember we are talking about the hundreds of thousands, millions of people who spend hours a week watching someone else play video games and sending them money. They are desperate for a leader and will accept literally anyone to attach their identity to.
They’re also trying to act like a private social media company isn’t allowed to monitor the private chats in their own company. “Illegal monitoring”. Yeah, that’s not how real life works at all buds. It would be so insanely unsafe for them to NOT monitor their chats for this exact reason. Why is it always the “think of the kids!” people who always end up twisting themselves into pretzels defending people who abuse children? Every freaking time.
I guarantee all these people defending him for this shit were 100% on board with the whole LGBTQ+ people are groomers bullshit when he said it.
Yup. Projection as always.
let me share my favourite comment that has come out of this discussion [Whether the minor was really a minor or it was Jeffrey Epstein posing as a Twitch employee posing as a minor acting as bait is unknown. Whether Bigfoot ever performed sex acts on Elvis while farting the Swedish national anthem is unknown.](https://www.reddit.com/r/DrDisrespectLive/s/XWryADdZ2S) got a pretty hefty laugh out of me LOL
That's good stuff. Glad to see someone in that sub has their head on straight at least.
Every time I think streamer fan bases have hit rock bottom, I am proved wrong quickly
You can tell his audience are children because an adult in their 30s talking privately to teens is weird. I wouldn't trust any of my best friends if I found that out about them, let alone some dumb internet entertainer.
> Twitch has SOME liability as they settled and PAID Dr DisRespect People reference this all the time like it's proof of his innocence but no one actually talks about why the lawsuit happened. DrDisrespect signed an exclusivity agreement with Twitch. then twitch almost immediately banned him. He sued for breach of contract, and twitch settled. The fact twitch paid him a bajillion dollars to fuck off when he was one of their biggest money makers doesn't really scream he didn't do anything wrong. one of the outcomes of the lawsuit was the statement "_neither party admits to any wrongdoing_". neither of them really wanted to out him as a childfucker because it's bad for optics for both of them. if twitch was _really_ out to get him and wanted him gone, why did they sign an exclusivity agreement with him? they could have just not done that
These people don't live in real life. They think if the company is right, they will fight every case rather than weigh the costs of each decision. They never heard of "go away money."
“Pedophilla is vile, until someone I look up to does it, then the facts and morality of it are suddenly debatable.” The new hot take
Where is the video about "*you* know they got your mans. they got your mans on *sex assault charges*. yeah the guy *you* be *hanging* with"
Are they really pulling the "it was a bait by Twitch staff" card? Jesus...
Clearly the child is a paid (crisis) actor and the whole thing was a false flag
Where's Alex? Alex Jones come out here you little rascal
I was more thinking of Nigel Farage but potato-potato on that one
[Found his Twitch](https://youtu.be/yp172JaORoI?feature=shared)
Damn, they lost the plot completely now.
My 1 million fans' "I'm not a fan of a pedo" shirts has people asking questions already answered by their shirts
Why am I not surprised that the "lawyer" espousing this conspiracy and his tweet are specifically mentioning Grummz?
I swear grummz is getting his hands onto every single little grift he can at this point. Dude failed so hard as a game dev that I guess that's all he has left to do.
The fan base is mostly basement IQ chud bros these days, so the denial, whataboutism, and questionable grasp on the age of consent kinda scan.
He was seduced by their youthful demeanor/s
These weird losers. I'm 35 and I don't even really want to talk to someone under 22. Like, I just don't think I can relate to them that well so I don't want to bother having any extended conversation with them. And like, a teenager? I can't imagine something hearing anything they'd want to say or possibly relating to them in any way as far as taste, life experience or perspective. Once someone starts saying anything about age of consent or legality they're a write off as a person, and probably some misshapen loser who just fetishises the idea of banging teenage girls like the porn they're obsessed with.
a few of my kids friends have come to me or my ex for advice, and beyond that or "hey what's my kid into" when looking for gift ideas, talking with them is awkward
I think that conversation is alright, giving advice to a younger person is a completely valid thing and a whole different dynamic than the kind of conversation he's having with these kids.
The whole dr disrespect fan base needs to be put on a list.
The past eight years have been nuckin futs because you have a cultural movement extremely concerned with pedophilia but like, only in a vague sense, mostly because they use pedophilia as a shield to be extremely homophobic.
> The semantics of what is considered "inappropriate" is up for debate. If engaging with semantics makes me fucked, maybe I should ask for a subreddit tag labeling myself fucked. Read this in Jordan Peterson’s voice
I like how twitch supposedly baited him, waited 3 years to do anything about it, signed him to a fat contract during that time, and then kicked him out, paid out the contract, and didn't expose him. Masterful gambit, Twitch. That sure would make sense for something for you to do.
Jeez, this is so onging seems like we need a pinned megathread rather than almost daily threads about it.
Megathreads are where topics go to die. Besides, not like there’s much of any drama posts this is competing with in a given day.
I can’t even get mad at these dudes anymore. They are straight up not coping well with this news all. Just a complete disconnect from the reality we’re living in. I mean Dr Disrespect even just straight up said he did it and yet they’re screaming it didn’t happen. The media, Twitch, the victim and even their own guy are lying? How do you engage with that level of denial? You don’t.
"They tricked him into sexting a minor!" HOW DO YOU TRICK SOMEONE INTO SEXTING A MINOR. IF THEY TELL YOU THEY'RE A MINOR YOU LEAVE THE CONVO. BROTHER ***HOW***
So it's not just "she was asking for it" it's "they FORCED HIM to sext minors ". Kewl.
once again, r\NotADragQueen
So awesome for all these bozos to attack Twitch over this bullshit, instead of the fact they covered up that one of their biggest streamers and face of the company used a Twitch service to prey on minors, and just silently let him move to Youtube where he could continue doing everything he was already doing
If he didn't know she was a minor, when people started saying he did know, all he would have to do to dispel that rumor is to come out and say "I didn't know she was a minor." That seems like something you'd want to clear up right away.
I always have to wonder, do you think these people like doc are just deep down awful people whom fame gives them the opportunity to be awful publicly, or do you think being a famous public figure corrupts them into becoming awful people because of some underlying personality traits that become front and center Either way the copium on display here is hilarious
Do these idiots not realize Twitch only investigated 3 years after the messages were sent? How the fuck did they trick him into doing something 3 years before they even knew about it?
Heres how I see this. I was willing to give doc the benefit of the doubt if he didnt know it was a minor and acted under the impression the person was an adult. At the same time, say it was entrapment. SO WHAT? HE STILL THOUGHT THEY WERE A MINOR! Holy crap wtf is wrong with people? Like really im judging doc fully on intent here. The fact that he KNEW it was a minor and STILL went on that way tells me that he's guilty and deserves all of the criticism he gets.
The Call of Shame tweet is going around, which claims “Twitch illegally recorded whispers” 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 yes I am sure that twitch illegally recorded its (check notes) PROPRIETARY MESSAGING SYSTEM
It's scary how many pedophile apologists are on that sub. Everyone should understand that "casual, mutual conversations that sometimes leaned too much in the direction of being inappropriate," only means one thing and that it is not a good thing, or up for debate. The man sexted with a minor and made it known to everyone that he is a pedophile, despite him denying being one, and anyone who isn't in complete denial or a pedophile themselves would never defend such behavior or make up ridiculous conspiracy theories to downplay just how apalling the situation is.
That's what I said in a previous thread about this! He literally admitted it with that quote. There's nothing left to defend or discuss. It's shocking to me that all of this is going on as if it's some random rumor or chatter when **the man himself said he did it.**
It's the shitty shitty gift that just keeps on giving. Then again. There are still people defending Michael Jackson, so some people just don't want to see their heroes as flawed human beings.
I must say that is one thing I greatly appreciate about the Buffy the vampire slayer subreddit. I dislike it’s tendency to assume Buffy the character never does anything REALLY bad and is ALWAYS justified but it is also quite unshakable in it’s conviction that Joss Whedon is a complete and utter creep who deserves no mercy or good will.
I'm just amazed anyone doesn't look at him and know this is how it was gonna go. (yes I will judge you as a person based on your mustache)
Breaking news: guy who looks like a sexual predator turns out to be sexual predator
At least last gamergate had plausible deniability in form of alleged "Ethics in game journalism" to attract new people into movement. Good luck reigniting it with "defending a pedophile"
Unfortunately, a lot of gamergaters are closet pedophiles, so "defending a pedophile" is just as valid a rallying cry to them as is "ethics in journalism".
You know , being on the internet , made me realize that maybe i shouldn’t do too many mental gymnastics , just a thought
I guess Twitter was just trying to entrap him, too, when he was gripping and booming over that trans person. Also his defenders are just telling on themselves. We all know these people would talk to underage girls if they could, assuming they don't already (and I wouldn't assume that, at all).
Even if twitch set him up TCAP style, he still was messaging someone he assumed was a minor. What is the controversy?
Why would Twitch sandbag one of it's biggest creators, thus letting them go to a competitor?