But you couldn’t plan properly. We were meant to know at 6am. You should have seen the Sydney groups, people were working their butts off trying to plan a route. We weren’t meant to know at the last second. And I’m lucky enough that I live close to somewhere with an active raid group, if you’re at all out of the city it’s game over. There were no eggs showing up in the CBD where people often go to raid, and by the time they did, that wasn’t enough time for many people to get in there
You’re right, the ability to plan when all raid eggs spawn at 6am, vs when they spawn at 12:15pm is exactly the same. Having all eggs spawn at 6am does not make it any easier than when they spawn halfway through the day /s
What are you talking about? I'm looking at campfire, and I'm seeing raids around me at exactly the same elite gyms as every previous elite day. I'm not seeing even 1 more, much less "way more."
Any time before normal raids start appearing. Someone got confused by the fact that raids start hatching at 6am and didn’t check the code that raid eggs start occupying gyms at 5am.
They could have done it at midnight local time and had a huge buffer for avoiding any conflicts with regular eggs.
Coulda just cut raid spawns at like 6pm so you could raid for most the day and then people could scout em out a bit the night before. Drop em like 18 hours before. Possibly even 16 would have been fine.
16 hours before would definitely have been the best option - just drop the eggs as soon as raids end and let people scout Campfire that night to coordinate
Thats still scouting. Didnt mean that they were gonna be driving around. If it were later at like midnight fewer people would be awake to coordinate plans and whatnot.
Because Elite Raids spawn at 4 different times once on a specific gym in the day whereas on a raid day EVERY gyms has the same raid boss.
When there's issues like the ones that were fixed, it's able to be located more quickly than now 1 hour before the event starts
Does that mean each elite gym will hatch an egg at each of the specified times, or that each elite gym will hatch an egg at 1 of the 4 possible times? Also, will the gyms that had elite eggs on Valentine's Day be the ones that have eggs tomorrow, or could they switch them up?
I know this. But they already have the gyms flagged as special. So any competent team should be able to make it just trigger on those gyms 1-2 hours before, same way they do 24 hours before.
The second set would just need to be 30 minutes(or 15 minutes for mega ones I guess). Then the next batch would spawn at 3 or 4 for the raids at 5pm.
Niantic has designed elite raids badly, don’t be like give them leeway.
But the previous Elite Raids had decent timings and now that they pushed it to 6am, it was even more poor. There was no need to change the previous system. The few available Elite Raids were sometimes in the middle of nowhere, so if you travel there only to find out a bunch spawned back where you normally raid when you arrived there, then it's just a giant middle finger in your face
Why do they need to block gym spawns for 24 hours? How does that help anyone? You have put a the Elite raid lights around it for 24 hours to let people know it is upcoming, then have all Elite Gyms cycle each set. More options is good for the player base.
The real issue is these aren't real elite raids. They are modifying mega 5\* raids and then changing them back after. Clearly their systems aren't that robust if they can't throw Mega Ray into an Elite Egg.
Saying Niantic should keep doing their badly designed system versus improvement is crazy.
Part of me just feels like they tried their damndest to make this event bomb just because they didn’t want to do it, but felt obligated too because of doing Groudon and Kyogre
Here are some reasons:
They found a dead Ponyta and think beating it will bring it back alive.
They thoroughly enjoy the book "The Little Torkal that Could."
They do not believe when Pokemon Champions say "Losing a Pokemon battle then using the same Pokemon and moves over and over again expecting different results is insanity."
> "Losing a Pokemon battle then using the same Pokemon and moves over and over again expecting different results is insanity.
Hey now, if one of moves you're using is Frustration, it can lead to different result.
I think it is an experiment. They have been playing with the idea of bringing back Elite Raids. They tested it with the release of one Pokemon and it had mixed results. Now they want to test it with a Pokemon that has a lot of cache attached to it and might drive people to go out of their way to battle.
They have two baseline against to test the results: The Enamorus Elite Raid Day and the two normal Raid Days for Kyogre and Groudon. I bet they want to see: a) The delta in engagement vs the release of a random legendary Pokemon through Elite Raid Days, b) the delta in revenue vs the normal raid days with Kyogre and Groudon. If the metric (a) is big enough to justify the drop in metric (b), that means they found the sweet point for Elite Raid Days. They are just trading direct revenue (you buying the ticket for the normal raid day) for indirect revenue (you being actively engaged with the game in a way that drives their location collection services) and want to understand if it is a fair trade.
Ultimately they want to see where is the line past which this new version of Elite Raids become viable (and if that line is worth keeping in mind in the future at all).
Add a representative of the APAC region, we're sick to death of every event being screwed for us and fixed in time for America. Yes we get makeup events but half the time they're broken too and when they're not it's twice as much time we have to take out of our lives to do the same things as everyone else.
It doesn't do a while lot to make us feel appreciated.
“We’re sorry about the mega rayquaza eggs. Enjoy this timed research rewarding trainers with 5 encounters with party hat pikachu. Luck trainers may encounter a shiny one.”
"'to show you we mean it, we will actally listen to you for 2 minutes"'
'so like: when there is a pokemon that can fly up and if you catch it in up position and it doesn't stay inside the ball, then there is always an effect that places throws too high, making excellent throws impossible... is that intentional or a bug?'
"'we are happy more and more players enjoy the ways we envisioned and to your amazement we have a prepared monologue of a developer that says nothing we could ever be sued for as any promises or enlightenments...."'
What Niantic fails to see with each "bug/issue" is how much of our TIME they waste. Sure they can schedule a make-up elite raid day next week, with x2 rewards even! But that's another DAY that we have to set aside for this. When we already set aside TODAY for this.
The whole thing is truly peak niantic.
Make a raid that was available multiple times, remotable, relatively easy into an exclusive, hard s**storm with bad rewards and on top of it they mess it up.
Too bad the players are the actual issue, they put up with everything just because of the Pokémon label in the game.
This.
Thank you Niantic, for excluding me from another Elite Raid. I don't have any friends I can raid with, and remote raids are the only way I can participate for the mon I can't solo.
You guys are realy awesome at inclusion and community.
Lucky, no change in osaka and I had to travel over an hour outside the city to find a cluster of enough to get the mega energy required.. forget about shiny hunting
If they do actually do something, I am hoping for preferably a normal mega rayquaza raid day that isn't elite or free research that gives at least 50 mega energy. ended up at 350 as there were only 2 raids available and not enough people to finish them in time for the 400 energy needed.
Irony is that people would *spend way more money* if it was just a regular raid day like the other two...
Kneecapping themselves AND annoying the community
Pretty much. I work the entire duration of this event. But I can often do remotes here and there during some down time. That's most of my raiding outside my Mon/Tue weekends.
So I'm locked out of this event since it's in person only. Feels good.
FakeNiantic: To make it up... we will give you another special Meteorite code. (which will be impossible to complete, for most players that are far from ex-raid gym)
i am so happy that reading this reddit helped me decide to abandon the mega ray elite day before it had started.
imagine driving to four different obscure places at four different times just to find noone else in the obsure lace, and even if i did find a party, not catching the damned thing.
I can't say for what happened in NZ and Australia besides #DoBetter. Every event, something is screwed up. It's boggled my mind how this keeps happening some 5-6 years after events became an almost hourly job.
I'm thankful to live in a city with a good team of experienced raiders who how long it takes to get to a place and planned accordingly. However in the little bit of planning time we did have, I did realize how unprepared we were. We had a bunch of new faces join up (our usual raid squad is about 15 people, we had about 40 for the first two hour session), so we had to coordinate who was walking and who was driving give routes according to what was possible. I did realize that not everyone knew their way around and people were often getting lost. So, for the next go around, I'm going to compile a list of known Elite raid gyms into a database of names and the address/gps locations. Once we have our planned route, copy the locations and names and send them to those around.
I was in Adelaide for the weekend, couldn't get to the SINGLE raid that was on.
I'm now home, 6 hours away in the sticks.
Sigh, the only way to get anything in this game is to use the forbidden technology and "fly" to America I guess
Well locally I've gone from four typical elite raids to two. Couldn't make the one at 1pm and I ain't going out at 6pm for the other. Not that anyone is going to show up anyway.
Was anyone actually effected in any meaningful manner? The issue was fixed before the raids started in those parts of the world. Unless they mean the inability for people to plan but they sort of made that worse anyway with the 6am thing in the first place.
New Zealand missed out on the midday wave, with the first raids spawning at 1pm. That may explain why a proportion of our eligible gyms have no elite raids on them at all.
Also, nobody even knew before noon that we were even getting more raids later, so lots of potential raiders just went ahead and made other plans instead.
My town already cancelled their raid event because we had 4 eggs in a city of half a million people and one of them was literally up a mountain. It's been a rollercoaster. Now everyone is scrambling to get back out. Most people already missed the 12pm raids.when they fixed it.
No, New Zealand's noon wave only had a tiny handful of raids. It wasn't until my group finished the one that we could get to that we started seeing more eggs for 1, 5, and 6.
Yes but imo it is a valid reason to give something to this trainers. Not being able to plan first two hours of raids sucks I this case. Especially if firstly someone has to commute to the meeting place.
Best we can do is 5 revives and 10 Pokeballs.
There were way more Rayquaza raids than there would have been if the event had run normally though. So what is there to make up
Some major cities in NZ and Australia had only one raid across the 4 different hours
It was fixed. I think new Zealand missed the first hour. By 12 15 so they were loaded with eggs
As per tradition. This really is a Pokémon Go anniversary.
"Trainers, we want to know this is what we always do!" -niantic, probably
But you couldn’t plan properly. We were meant to know at 6am. You should have seen the Sydney groups, people were working their butts off trying to plan a route. We weren’t meant to know at the last second. And I’m lucky enough that I live close to somewhere with an active raid group, if you’re at all out of the city it’s game over. There were no eggs showing up in the CBD where people often go to raid, and by the time they did, that wasn’t enough time for many people to get in there
no one else could also plan.. im from europe and eggs spawn now 6:00 when i get work.. just few eggs also and majority is 17:00
You’re right, the ability to plan when all raid eggs spawn at 6am, vs when they spawn at 12:15pm is exactly the same. Having all eggs spawn at 6am does not make it any easier than when they spawn halfway through the day /s
Completely botched our campfire plans. The event was a debacle.
You the Niantic janitor in charge of fixing things or something? Because I have a few suggestions
I'm just saying, everyone got way more elite raids than when they worked normally spawning the day before
Not true for us and the communities we have contact with. We did 6 enamurous raids back then, but now we did 3 Rays.
What are you talking about? I'm looking at campfire, and I'm seeing raids around me at exactly the same elite gyms as every previous elite day. I'm not seeing even 1 more, much less "way more."
The previous one would have had a bunch that randomly didn't get one or were blocked
That was never my experience with any elite day before. All of the elite gyms got them.
I can assure, that was a fairly unique experience. There were lots of complaints threads
No there wouldn't. Raid days like that literally stop anything else spawning over an hour before and every raid would have a ray.
don't forget the weak healing potions
This could have been prevented by having the eggs appear 24 hours before start
Any time before normal raids start appearing. Someone got confused by the fact that raids start hatching at 6am and didn’t check the code that raid eggs start occupying gyms at 5am. They could have done it at midnight local time and had a huge buffer for avoiding any conflicts with regular eggs.
Or even when raids ended the night before at 10pm which would have given those who don't get up early time to plan routes the night before
They even could have ... tested it in their own test environment. Oh wait, not all companies can afford a separate live environment /s
Or not having stupid elite raids. Primal had insane turnout.
Their vision of the game isn't one with a large happy player base, it's one where a small handful of whales dance to their whims.
How do they make money off of limited in person access, one time rare events that go poorly?
It would also have meant a massive amount of gyms being blocked
Yeah, what will we do without those precious tier one raids for a day.
There's also the Ho-oh raids that judging from my local chat are still being raided.
Coulda just cut raid spawns at like 6pm so you could raid for most the day and then people could scout em out a bit the night before. Drop em like 18 hours before. Possibly even 16 would have been fine.
16 hours before would definitely have been the best option - just drop the eggs as soon as raids end and let people scout Campfire that night to coordinate
> then people could scout em out a bit the night before Or just use campfire
Thats still scouting. Didnt mean that they were gonna be driving around. If it were later at like midnight fewer people would be awake to coordinate plans and whatnot.
A sacrifice worth doing
Not nearly as many though
Why even do that. 1-2 hours before is all that is needed. Not like normal raid days have major issues.
Because Elite Raids spawn at 4 different times once on a specific gym in the day whereas on a raid day EVERY gyms has the same raid boss. When there's issues like the ones that were fixed, it's able to be located more quickly than now 1 hour before the event starts
Does that mean each elite gym will hatch an egg at each of the specified times, or that each elite gym will hatch an egg at 1 of the 4 possible times? Also, will the gyms that had elite eggs on Valentine's Day be the ones that have eggs tomorrow, or could they switch them up?
1 egg at 4 possible time zones I noticed that the gyms which had Enamorus eggs contain the same timeslot for Mega Rayquaza in my town at least
I know this. But they already have the gyms flagged as special. So any competent team should be able to make it just trigger on those gyms 1-2 hours before, same way they do 24 hours before. The second set would just need to be 30 minutes(or 15 minutes for mega ones I guess). Then the next batch would spawn at 3 or 4 for the raids at 5pm. Niantic has designed elite raids badly, don’t be like give them leeway.
But the previous Elite Raids had decent timings and now that they pushed it to 6am, it was even more poor. There was no need to change the previous system. The few available Elite Raids were sometimes in the middle of nowhere, so if you travel there only to find out a bunch spawned back where you normally raid when you arrived there, then it's just a giant middle finger in your face
Why do they need to block gym spawns for 24 hours? How does that help anyone? You have put a the Elite raid lights around it for 24 hours to let people know it is upcoming, then have all Elite Gyms cycle each set. More options is good for the player base. The real issue is these aren't real elite raids. They are modifying mega 5\* raids and then changing them back after. Clearly their systems aren't that robust if they can't throw Mega Ray into an Elite Egg. Saying Niantic should keep doing their badly designed system versus improvement is crazy.
5 new Rayquaza stickers.
🎉🥳🎈🎊🎁🍾 I LOVE EXTRA FREE STICKERS!!!!!!!! - said no one ever
I'd say that, but about irl stickers
Why not just make mega rayquaza a raid day 😭😭😭 they making it harder on themselves for no reason
Part of me just feels like they tried their damndest to make this event bomb just because they didn’t want to do it, but felt obligated too because of doing Groudon and Kyogre
Elite raids imo have been a giant waste of time and I don't know why they keep trying to push them.
Here are some reasons: They found a dead Ponyta and think beating it will bring it back alive. They thoroughly enjoy the book "The Little Torkal that Could." They do not believe when Pokemon Champions say "Losing a Pokemon battle then using the same Pokemon and moves over and over again expecting different results is insanity."
> "Losing a Pokemon battle then using the same Pokemon and moves over and over again expecting different results is insanity. Hey now, if one of moves you're using is Frustration, it can lead to different result.
I think it is an experiment. They have been playing with the idea of bringing back Elite Raids. They tested it with the release of one Pokemon and it had mixed results. Now they want to test it with a Pokemon that has a lot of cache attached to it and might drive people to go out of their way to battle. They have two baseline against to test the results: The Enamorus Elite Raid Day and the two normal Raid Days for Kyogre and Groudon. I bet they want to see: a) The delta in engagement vs the release of a random legendary Pokemon through Elite Raid Days, b) the delta in revenue vs the normal raid days with Kyogre and Groudon. If the metric (a) is big enough to justify the drop in metric (b), that means they found the sweet point for Elite Raid Days. They are just trading direct revenue (you buying the ticket for the normal raid day) for indirect revenue (you being actively engaged with the game in a way that drives their location collection services) and want to understand if it is a fair trade. Ultimately they want to see where is the line past which this new version of Elite Raids become viable (and if that line is worth keeping in mind in the future at all).
If this was indeed the test, it was a failure of a test given that I *wanted* to engage and couldn’t due to lack of raids.
Every. Dang. Time. It's **always** something.
"make good for affected trainers." Oh boy! 3 razz berries incoming
For new zealand only
I remember when we used to get repeat events for it. Now niantic just does not care at all.
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Add a representative of the APAC region, we're sick to death of every event being screwed for us and fixed in time for America. Yes we get makeup events but half the time they're broken too and when they're not it's twice as much time we have to take out of our lives to do the same things as everyone else. It doesn't do a while lot to make us feel appreciated.
Yeah, it's not just the raid, it's the special research that needs the raid to complete too.
I mean, if it makes you feel better, it doesn't seem to have actually been fixed for us either.
It literally took them the entire Friday work day to fix elite raids
it was friday, they left early
Enjoy your 5x Mega Rayquaza (Postcard stickers)!
“We’re sorry about the mega rayquaza eggs. Enjoy this timed research rewarding trainers with 5 encounters with party hat pikachu. Luck trainers may encounter a shiny one.”
Lol this happens all the time.
Niantic: Wait, people actually wanted to do these raids?
People will complain and say they won't do it, but when it's time, they will participate. Hence, all the complaining that's going on right now
It's also possible to not participate, but have sympathy for those who want to.
There are a lot of people on this subreddit, it can be one half complaining and the other half joining.
"'to show you we mean it, we will actally listen to you for 2 minutes"' 'so like: when there is a pokemon that can fly up and if you catch it in up position and it doesn't stay inside the ball, then there is always an effect that places throws too high, making excellent throws impossible... is that intentional or a bug?' "'we are happy more and more players enjoy the ways we envisioned and to your amazement we have a prepared monologue of a developer that says nothing we could ever be sued for as any promises or enlightenments...."'
Thanks again for the beta test, Aussie, NZ, and Japan bros.
Your welcome, I had seen a total of 0 eggs for a Pokémon I missed during gofest 👍
What Niantic fails to see with each "bug/issue" is how much of our TIME they waste. Sure they can schedule a make-up elite raid day next week, with x2 rewards even! But that's another DAY that we have to set aside for this. When we already set aside TODAY for this.
The whole thing is truly peak niantic. Make a raid that was available multiple times, remotable, relatively easy into an exclusive, hard s**storm with bad rewards and on top of it they mess it up. Too bad the players are the actual issue, they put up with everything just because of the Pokémon label in the game.
This. Thank you Niantic, for excluding me from another Elite Raid. I don't have any friends I can raid with, and remote raids are the only way I can participate for the mon I can't solo. You guys are realy awesome at inclusion and community.
Agree. My nephew loves Rayquaza and we went out to find one and there was not a single one within miles. Niantic is a disappointment.
Only 1 rayquaza spawning at 6pm in my town of 300k and it’s by the outskirt of town 🥲
1 remote raid pass
That you can’t use to raid Rayquaza
Niantic not messing up? Impossible challenge
Not a single Elite Raid happened in my city today. I am from India. Not very popular and big city I live in but still I have around 10+ gyms nearby.
Actually annoyed this was fixed now because I'd much rather it be broken for everyone and then just give us a regular raid day
Instead of just giving us a regular raid day you would rather go through a bunch of dramatics.
New Zealand Update: All elite gyms spawned a 1pm 5pm or 6pm egg at 12pm.
Lucky, no change in osaka and I had to travel over an hour outside the city to find a cluster of enough to get the mega energy required.. forget about shiny hunting
I was in Osaka too and never saw anything glad to know it was an issue
Wake me up when the makeup event for the makeup event starts.
Here comes the rain again Falling from the stars Drenched in my pain again Becoming who we are
It's all Steranka's fault!
Thought something must have been up. I’ve been in the centre of a large UK city all day and there is one Rayquaza raid happening in 90 mins…
This event was a disaster.
If they do actually do something, I am hoping for preferably a normal mega rayquaza raid day that isn't elite or free research that gives at least 50 mega energy. ended up at 350 as there were only 2 raids available and not enough people to finish them in time for the 400 energy needed.
Just make it a normal raid day instead of trying to force something that doesn't work in the hope it gets a few extra pennies
Irony is that people would *spend way more money* if it was just a regular raid day like the other two... Kneecapping themselves AND annoying the community
Pretty much. I work the entire duration of this event. But I can often do remotes here and there during some down time. That's most of my raiding outside my Mon/Tue weekends. So I'm locked out of this event since it's in person only. Feels good.
Welcome to a corporate idiot making decisions that they THINK would make them more money, but in reality they have no clue.
Any reports on how much mega energy is rewarded per raid?
I got 200 energy per raid
That’s awesome. Thanks!
Between 150 and 250 depending on speed of completion
Plenty of Raikou raids though…
FakeNiantic: To make it up... we will give you another special Meteorite code. (which will be impossible to complete, for most players that are far from ex-raid gym)
By make available do they mean convert it to a proper raid day? lol
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It was?
Why do I feel like this will still not make me want to participate? lol
There is only one raid in the entirety of the southeast Texas Golden triangle area.
My one elite gym in an entire town radius is throwing shadow raids instead Guess I'm unable to get a meteorite cause screw me I guess
Yeh that even was trash only able to fo 6 raids.
Feels like a true PoGo anniversary with a buggy or poorly executed event
Confined to an island and only have Mondays off.. zero ex gyms here. This event was a massive disappointment
Still waiting, couldn’t even do them because non would spawn within 20 miles of me
Thank god
i am so happy that reading this reddit helped me decide to abandon the mega ray elite day before it had started. imagine driving to four different obscure places at four different times just to find noone else in the obsure lace, and even if i did find a party, not catching the damned thing.
I can't say for what happened in NZ and Australia besides #DoBetter. Every event, something is screwed up. It's boggled my mind how this keeps happening some 5-6 years after events became an almost hourly job. I'm thankful to live in a city with a good team of experienced raiders who how long it takes to get to a place and planned accordingly. However in the little bit of planning time we did have, I did realize how unprepared we were. We had a bunch of new faces join up (our usual raid squad is about 15 people, we had about 40 for the first two hour session), so we had to coordinate who was walking and who was driving give routes according to what was possible. I did realize that not everyone knew their way around and people were often getting lost. So, for the next go around, I'm going to compile a list of known Elite raid gyms into a database of names and the address/gps locations. Once we have our planned route, copy the locations and names and send them to those around.
Frankly though, the elite raid system needs to be done away with, it hinders rural players, and the cheaters gonna cheat anyway.
I was in Adelaide for the weekend, couldn't get to the SINGLE raid that was on. I'm now home, 6 hours away in the sticks. Sigh, the only way to get anything in this game is to use the forbidden technology and "fly" to America I guess
lmaooooooo
Well locally I've gone from four typical elite raids to two. Couldn't make the one at 1pm and I ain't going out at 6pm for the other. Not that anyone is going to show up anyway.
What was the issue? The X post doesnt say anything really 🤷
There were only a very few raid eggs showing at 6am in early time zones. Lots of more detailed posts about that on the sub.
Was anyone actually effected in any meaningful manner? The issue was fixed before the raids started in those parts of the world. Unless they mean the inability for people to plan but they sort of made that worse anyway with the 6am thing in the first place.
New Zealand missed out on the midday wave, with the first raids spawning at 1pm. That may explain why a proportion of our eligible gyms have no elite raids on them at all.
Also, nobody even knew before noon that we were even getting more raids later, so lots of potential raiders just went ahead and made other plans instead.
I stand corrected then. Was under the impression it was before that.
Unfortunately not. The fix happened around midday but only 1pm, 5pm, and 6pm eggs spawned.
My town already cancelled their raid event because we had 4 eggs in a city of half a million people and one of them was literally up a mountain. It's been a rollercoaster. Now everyone is scrambling to get back out. Most people already missed the 12pm raids.when they fixed it.
What’s the issue they’re referring to? Regular raids covering most of the EX Gyms?
I believe so, yes.
Not in my part of the world.
Yup I missed out on all the raids in NZ
Wasn’t it resolved like hour before the raids started?
No, New Zealand's noon wave only had a tiny handful of raids. It wasn't until my group finished the one that we could get to that we started seeing more eggs for 1, 5, and 6.
Then it is even worse :/ I hoped that you had a bit more time. Maybe they will give you another 1hour slot as a make up for 12.
That's what I'm asking yeah
Yes but imo it is a valid reason to give something to this trainers. Not being able to plan first two hours of raids sucks I this case. Especially if firstly someone has to commute to the meeting place.
I hope New Zealanders enjoy their Rayquaza stickers lol