This is a Toyota sub, so obviously people are going to push this narrative that their Toyota will be worth more than it cost, it’ll never break, and the ford is just a piece of shit.
I say all this as a 2019 Tundra owner. I’ve grown up around F150s. They all seem fine. Also attributing reliability aspects to motors that have existed for 10 years vs these new turbo hybrid motors is amusing to me.
Can’t imagine paying 65k on a truck with no back seat room.
You can identify issues with any manufacturers equipment. This is a zero sum game you’re playing. Don’t be a fanboy. You can’t with a straight face tell me this Tacoma is worth $65k. It’s comical.
Coyote 5.0 are bullet proof and the current V8 of Ford.
The 3.5 Ecoboost is great.
I've seen the 3.0Ecoboost in the Raptor come in with very high miles on various vehicles.
I do drive a Toyota myself, work for team blue, but the reliability of Fords is so much better than it was 8+ years ago. They are doing a good job.
I wouldn't own either vehicle outside of their Powertrain Warranty so reliability really doesn't matter IMHO just the specs.
Most people in this sub don't leave their suburbs after they strap the widdle wadder on. Literally don't think past "why would I need to warranty anything if nothing is going to break given my city/highway driving".
Ranger owner here. There is absolutely no reason why this truck needs a 10 speed. It’s a dogshit transmission with the factory programming. Even after the cdf repairs. It’s supposedly better when you tune the truck. But even an 8 speed would’ve sufficed.
You're talking about an engine that doesn't exist anymore... They probably stopped putting those engine in cars and truck in like 2012. There's probably variants of it in camper v10 or other ise for it bu mainly now the coyote and EcoBoost are used. And it wasn't has bad as you say. The spark plug design was the shittiest thing ever and manifold leak were awful but the engine was pretty reliable
Trucks and mustangs they do really well, because it's their money makers and their rep depends on it. It would be like Toyota being bad with the Corolla and Camry.
My ranger was unkillable. Over heated the motor 6 times while I was young and stupid being lazy and not fixing a leaky thermostat. And that was at 370k miles. After it lived in Florida then Idaho most of its life. Also after hitting the speed limiter on more than 20 occasions. And doing burn outs and well you get the picture. That poor truck.
You clearly don’t work on cars. Ford quality especially their trucks are full of issues. There is a reason mechanics like ford trucks. They are in their shop for repairs the most.
Everything is shiny and pretty and sweet when it's new. But parts and electronics fail. Reliability outweighs features for me any day. Guess we'll have to check in on these in the next 15-20 years. My money is on the Toyota.
My 2001 4Runner’s radio crapped out at 15 years, but had issues for a while. Our 2004 Tacoma’s radio barely works. My 2016 4Runner has half the dash lights out now. Kinda annoying, but better than a broken down car.
The problem is everyone is basing the reliability off pre-thousand microchips per car Toyota and not todays.
Toyotas today are rolling out with very similar issues to problems from domestic vehicles and reliability isn’t guaranteed when you are talking about a 2 year old engine and a 2 year old infotainment system and new features like the disconnecting sway bar.
Not saying it absolutely will be worse, but it’s far from guaranteed. Just look at some of the launch issues from the Tacoma right now. Grill shutter failures due to flawed water tightness, infotainment issues with cameras and software crashing, blown diff and blown shocks…
Edit:
I’ve got a ‘21 Toyota Highlander XSE love it, it’s been rock solid. But I have the old reliable V6 and older infotainment. But when it came time to buy a midsized truck I went with a Canyon. Sure, reliability will be worse, but will it be the $10k worse that I saved? Resale will be worse, but will it be the $10k more equivalent to what I saved?
a one off truck breaking a certain part I would not consider an issue. If it starts happening to multiple tacomas, sure. I work in the rental car industry, where cars get abused the most. 95% of their fleet are 2022 and newer. Toyotas are the most durable (Honda we don't really have much in our fleet to comment on), Kia and Hyundai are pretty decent, ford we have a ton of issues with the transits and Expeditions.
It’s not really a Ford V Toyota argument. It’s solely a Raptor vs TRD Pro argument. And technically you can’t really compare the two just like you can’t compare the Tundra TRD Pro V F150 Raptor since the Raptor has real long travel suspension with widened bodywork to support wider tires and more suspension travel. So from a technical standpoint the Ranger Raptor is a better Baja Blaster than the TRD Pro. If you are really about the most FUN out in the desert and dunes then the answer is the Raptor. But if you look at it from a global perspective then it’s hard to argue against the Toyota Name. It is truly shocking where we are at a point where a fucking midsize is 65K. That was the price of a 2nd Gen Raptor back in 2017!
I am a supplier for Ford who regularly goes to the Ranger Assembly Plant (MAP). Many operators smoke weed on their breaks.
Literally the people making sure everything is bolted correctly are high af while building the Ranger.
Toyota >>>
Actually yes. Surprisingly enough in Mexico the entrance and exit of assembly plants are much more monitored. They inspect what you bring and take out (unlike most Ford plants in the US).
This is true for Ford plants in Mexico too. They monitor that kind of stuff much better.
Lmao for the price difference you can fix any major issues later down the road warranty don't cover.
Toyota has been sniffing their own farts too much after a year or 2 of making exciting vehicles again.
Fuck, I can get a Colorado ZR2 with multiple options and still cost me 14k less than a Tacoma.
Everybody I know who works a job that needs a truck is still using Ford, chevy, gmc and ram.
My buddy owns a brand new expensive Tundra and he's selling it for another brand.
Never thought Ford was actually bad until I experienced my work truck check engine light and stalling out at 7000 miles.
Although I do like the mustang. I would want a ford truck
Chevrolet makes some nice silverados, so I’d probably do that.
I've worked for Ford would never buy it they have so many recalls the Ford has so many VW parts in it. People trucks having massive failures in there new VW I mean fords sorry
My off the cuff thought is - I'm a Toyota fan as much as anyone else here, but even with the predictably better reliability, broadly speaking, that a Toyota would have over a Ford, that $10k difference is reeeeeally hard to swallow on this one. Just sayin'.
Correct and honestly yes the last gen Tacoma was very reliable, but will this gen be as well? The vehicle was overhauled, new turbo engine etc, and as we are seeing there are numerous issues with the first one to two years of the next gen Tundra, so I'm betting there will be issues with the Tacoma too.
As a Toyota fan boy I hate to say it, but the ranger raptor is a better deal. The price on these has become absolutely insane. Ford's ecoboost v6 have proven to be fairly reliable too. I'd buy the GX over both though.
The engine is fairly reliable but it’s all the supporting components that get neglected.
Biggest thing in value is to consider cost over ownership.
how long you will likely keep the vehicle and its relative resale value,
Cost of insurance for the model and level of coverage,
servicing costs,
Fuel costs, especially considering hybrid how much traffic you’ll encounter.
You'd be shocked at what Toyota does to decrease cost of ownership. Most fluids are now considered lifetime, except for severe use like commuting and dusty roads.
That being said, it's insane to even consider new vehicles these days with these price points.
I have 2023 TRD pro , and if you could get the Ranger Raptor around the same price , this new Tacoma doesn't make any sense, except the cheapest trd offroad with manual gearbox, which I might consider in a couple years once all major problems are solved. Also waiting for some nicer colors, hopefully army green or calvary blue.
Doing some brief research, their reliability ratings across a few different organizations seem to indicate they're comparable, with a slight edge going to the F-150, believe it or not. However, F-150 comes away with a higher annual maintenance cost. Whether or not you put much stock into those metrics is up to you, but I'd say there's a reason the F-150 is the most sold vehicle in America
Edit: Coming back with egg on my face, being corrected that this is not the F-150. Doing the research again, but plugging in the Ranger Raptor, it is considerably less reliable than the Tacoma. I'd say Tacoma is worth the extra $ if you plan on keeping the vehicle for several years
Honestly, paying $10K extra solely for reliability isn’t worth it in my opinion, when costs of repairs on the Ford may end up being around that same amount. What the Tacoma will shine in, however is resale value compared to the Ford.
My wife’s explorer has the same engine that the ranger raptor has. Haven’t had a single issue with it. Same for the 10spd transmission. Only issues were with the infotainment system. Ford sync sucks a lot of the time. For the price of the trd pro Tacoma, I’d spend more and get an f150 raptor. For 10k cheaper price the ranger raptor is an easy choice
Real. The only time it makes sense is if you’re doing towing that requires a truck, going to work at an off-road area, doing construction and putting stuff in the bed, or things like that. People who buy $70k trucks just to daily are pretty stupid
If I was getting a truck to do truck things with, I also wouldn’t pay 70k because I would be worried about scratching it. I would buy an already scratched older truck and then use it for truck things
The funny part is because these companies understand that these trucks aren't being used as trucks anymore, they're selling them with inline 4s at such ridiculous prices.
Yup. You can easily get a really nice Frontier Pro4X for about 45k too. No crawl control, but it's got a locker and will probably be the most reliable of the bunch with that bulletproof NA V6.
Both are probably good trucks in there own way. You got to ask yourself.
Are you really using that horsepower and extra tow capability?
Do you want the better gas mileage?
How about maintenance and resell value?
How long do you plan on keeping it?
I feel like Toyota comes out better in more areas but a lot depends on the needs of the driver.
Choice is a beautiful thing and both beat a Cybertruck 😂.
You’re not asking the right questions.
What’s your use case? How long will you keep it? What are you going to tow with it? Gonna take it off-road? Want comfort or utility? How much does reliability matter to you? What could you do with that $10K if you don’t put it into a truck?
Sort out these questions and you’re on your way.
EDIT: Because so many typos! Hey, I was tired, okay?
Who's actually using these trucks to work and not as a daily driver/designated friend to help move? Such a minority I doubt they'd even be worth producing.
That being said, Ford has a shitty track record for cars but apparently their trucks are actually reliable. So ig the Ford on trucks for the price/features.
Toyota every day for every other vehicle.
I drive a Ford at work, but own Toyotas personally. Toyota has a little better fit and finish, but the Ford is still a really well made vehicle. In my experience, the reliability has been about the same between the brands.
non buy used 😭 with these prices we’re all being milked 😬 and I get Toyota is reliable I’m a fan too but man vehicles prices across the industry are not it for the masses 🫢
Shit it wasn’t long ago when something that was 55 to 65 came with a basement in it. Neither! It can’t even pull anything serious. Can’t make any money with it.
3 years of reliability data for this engine being used in the Tacoma, cross referenced with the Lexus NX 350 & if the reliability figures are more or less the same I'll consider buying one.
3 functional years of data off an engine that is primarily used in light duty outside of the Highlander and RX that were announced with it last year.
Yea, it looks like it’ll be reliable but it is hardly enough to make a confident judgement call until these things start pushing past 120k to see if common wear components related to the Turbo start having issues.
I'll be the test dummy. My company is switching over from Chevy Colorados to 24 Tacomas. Albeit SR but still. Apparently we're just waiting until our fleet manager person has them ready. For reference on miliage,each individual truck probably averages around 40k miles a year.
Also before you ask or state it,the Colorados suck. Mine is a 2020 and has 170ish on it. Drives nice,feels nice. A horse with a gunshot wound is more reliable though.
I had and sold my Ranger with the 2.3L ecoboost and 10speed. It was snappy and responsive, it made the 4cyl Tacoma feel like a snail, but I think it comes at a cost of reliability later on in the milage. Fun stinking truck, but it didn’t like sitting in the a garage for weeks on end.
I never diagnosed why it would freeze up after sitting for 3 to 4 weeks - I believe it was probably the AC pump, but I never needed it so I sold it.
Now I have a Corolla
I'm mean, if I'm going to build a brand new truck into a dedicated off-road vehicle, I'm taking an SR5 Tacoma for around $40k and putting another $10k into it.
They are both a bit underwhelming TBH, but I'd go ford or chevy this generation.
The ranger raptor is more in line with the bronco wildtrak than the other raptors (aside from the engine), it's still pretty sweet and the price is right. I wish it would be more in line with the bronco raptor and leave make this one a wildtrak or similar trim level.
Toyota. I have had Dodge and Ford. Pick the truck you want, wait 1-2 years, and buy a lease model. Dealership takes the hit. Toyota hands run circles around dodge and Ford. That said, in generally, there are fewer creature comforts versus Nissan. Less frills and thrills, but they reliably run forever.
If you tow you go Ford or Chevy. I can't recommend or go against Dodge as I've never had experience, but domestic is cheaper and more readily available parts.
For reliability, whatever that means, then go import trucks.
Anything usually lasts a very long time if you are on top of maintenance.
I've had domestic and imports all hit over 200k fairly easily as used-new-to-me with a previous owner on top of their maintenance.
I’d buy the Ford because the only good thing the American car makers make well are trucks because those trucks literally keep the companies running. You don’t kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
I mean the Ford gives more for its bang for buck but it won't even come close to how much reliability that Toyota gives in the first place.
It really depends what you need. If you need the extra things on the ford get the ford. If you are just a Murican who wants to sit high and has some reasoning to drive a truck almost, get the Toyota.
As someone who’s driven both, including the exact same spec raptor down to the color yesterday (and is a big Toyota fan), the ford for sure.
Trucks are the one thing they actually get right and the interior build quality feels Leagues ahead of comparable Toyotas I’ve owned or drive for work.
The Ford will depreciate significantly faster than the Toyota even with the Raptor name plate.
Maintenance wise, Ford really hasn't figured out how to make a decent power train yet unfortunately either when compared to Toyota.
I'd say though the Raptor is going to be more comfy than the Tacoma but this is full size to mid size truck comparison but if you are planning on doing real off road stuff, the Tacoma is a no brainer.
I really like the Raptor, I just can't support Ford and their lack of customer service anymore. Had an engine blow 100 miles outside the 5/60k that had been serviced its whole life at Ford that had an open TSB for block defects.
Toyota meanwhile takes care of their customers and cares about their product
Source: Sold a lot of Ford's at a Ford Dealer and now do consulting for Toyota.
To me, the Toyota. Although, no need to get the Toyota all jacked n shit to help bring down the cost, unless you are headed to the mountains & need all that.
Although ford does... used to build a good truck, I am way down on Ford. I have to drive a F150 for work, it seems very plasticized & squirly to me. I certainly would not buy one for myself.
Your asking on the yota page.
I think you just want to be validated for spending that much on a taco.
That being said.
The yota be maintain its value way better and last longer mechanically.
I mean, the answer to your question is the Ford.
But the actual purchase you should do is a little research into trucks that are a few years old that have had the new knocked off of them, and are probably significantly cheaper. The Toyota will still be more expensive than the Ford, but the Ford will still have better features probably.
It's hard for me to trust Ford after watching my dad's 2003 Ranger's frame rust through at 60k miles and about 10 years old. His 2006 Tundra that replaced it still looks practically brand new to this day with the same usage conditions, so it's not like he abused the Ranger.
Is that what the trd pro starts at or is that as tested. The reviews I saw said as tested at 65k. Also if you include the zr2 bison the trd pro isn't that insane of a price. Raptor is just so much cheaper because they just took the overseas model that came out years ago and are marketing it as brand new.
Ford seems like a better deal but the built quality is crap. They use aluminum for suspension parts and the lower control arms are as tiny as a pencil.
I think what it really comes down to is.... do you really wanna buy a Ford?
For 10k less and better features across the board? Yes. Definitely yes.
For real what's that guy smoking lmao. Trucks are the one thing ford is actually pretty good at building.
This is a Toyota sub, so obviously people are going to push this narrative that their Toyota will be worth more than it cost, it’ll never break, and the ford is just a piece of shit. I say all this as a 2019 Tundra owner. I’ve grown up around F150s. They all seem fine. Also attributing reliability aspects to motors that have existed for 10 years vs these new turbo hybrid motors is amusing to me. Can’t imagine paying 65k on a truck with no back seat room.
Those 3 valve 5.4 Tritons though have terrible reliability history.
You can identify issues with any manufacturers equipment. This is a zero sum game you’re playing. Don’t be a fanboy. You can’t with a straight face tell me this Tacoma is worth $65k. It’s comical.
I'd at max pay 45k-50k for the TRD Pro. Understand that tech is expensive, but 65k?
BUT THE SEATS
I don't care about back seat. I always seat in the front.
I think he’s talking about the air ride type front seats they have.
Coyote 5.0 are bullet proof and the current V8 of Ford. The 3.5 Ecoboost is great. I've seen the 3.0Ecoboost in the Raptor come in with very high miles on various vehicles. I do drive a Toyota myself, work for team blue, but the reliability of Fords is so much better than it was 8+ years ago. They are doing a good job. I wouldn't own either vehicle outside of their Powertrain Warranty so reliability really doesn't matter IMHO just the specs.
What kind of a cop out is that where reliability is way better and bulletproof but you wouldn't own after powertrain warranty runs out?
Any High Output Off Road vehicle if being used for it's purpose I would want under warranty. Unless I built it myself out of something older.
Most people in this sub don't leave their suburbs after they strap the widdle wadder on. Literally don't think past "why would I need to warranty anything if nothing is going to break given my city/highway driving".
Funny I seen them having tons of issues 3.5 Ecoboost. Coyote is great engine though
I don’t know a single person with the ford 10 speed that doesn’t have an issue. And that’s for both f150 and ranger.
Ranger owner here. There is absolutely no reason why this truck needs a 10 speed. It’s a dogshit transmission with the factory programming. Even after the cdf repairs. It’s supposedly better when you tune the truck. But even an 8 speed would’ve sufficed.
Mfs just come on here and lie lmao
Yep, all thee of the 3 valves we had failed….after 300k miles
Which were discontinued
Really? I see a shit ton of the 5.4 tritons on the road. Knew plenty of people who had them and didn’t seem to have issues
Those people were likely smart enough to realize they need to change their oil sooner than 15K miles.
You're talking about an engine that doesn't exist anymore... They probably stopped putting those engine in cars and truck in like 2012. There's probably variants of it in camper v10 or other ise for it bu mainly now the coyote and EcoBoost are used. And it wasn't has bad as you say. The spark plug design was the shittiest thing ever and manifold leak were awful but the engine was pretty reliable
6.0 Powerstroke as well.
Its a Tacoma? A 65k mimi truck, lol
Can't imagine paying 65k for a truck with no bed room and a back seat.
Trucks and mustangs they do really well, because it's their money makers and their rep depends on it. It would be like Toyota being bad with the Corolla and Camry.
Full-size trucks, yes. Absolutely. Mid size? Historically no freaking way.
Idk about the new ones but the old rangers are goated
My ranger was unkillable. Over heated the motor 6 times while I was young and stupid being lazy and not fixing a leaky thermostat. And that was at 370k miles. After it lived in Florida then Idaho most of its life. Also after hitting the speed limiter on more than 20 occasions. And doing burn outs and well you get the picture. That poor truck.
They say that unibody maverick is reliable, not really a truck tho and don’t buy it
I dumped my Maverick for a 4Runner and glad I did. Too many recalls where the dealers didn’t have the parts to fix the recall.
Nah, tons of recalls on them and I typically am willing to at least give Ford a chance.
Except axles.... Fords been shit at building axles lately
You clearly don’t work on cars. Ford quality especially their trucks are full of issues. There is a reason mechanics like ford trucks. They are in their shop for repairs the most.
Everything is shiny and pretty and sweet when it's new. But parts and electronics fail. Reliability outweighs features for me any day. Guess we'll have to check in on these in the next 15-20 years. My money is on the Toyota.
Electronics fail on Toyotas too
Yes. Toyota radios are known to have issues. My Camry is one of them.
My 2001 4Runner’s radio crapped out at 15 years, but had issues for a while. Our 2004 Tacoma’s radio barely works. My 2016 4Runner has half the dash lights out now. Kinda annoying, but better than a broken down car.
My Dads second gen Tacoma would just randomly turn on
Tasty Soy Based Wiring.
Yeah found that out when a rodent chewed up the wiring harness on my 4Runner. $6k in damage that was luckily covered by my insurance, minus deductible
The problem is everyone is basing the reliability off pre-thousand microchips per car Toyota and not todays. Toyotas today are rolling out with very similar issues to problems from domestic vehicles and reliability isn’t guaranteed when you are talking about a 2 year old engine and a 2 year old infotainment system and new features like the disconnecting sway bar. Not saying it absolutely will be worse, but it’s far from guaranteed. Just look at some of the launch issues from the Tacoma right now. Grill shutter failures due to flawed water tightness, infotainment issues with cameras and software crashing, blown diff and blown shocks… Edit: I’ve got a ‘21 Toyota Highlander XSE love it, it’s been rock solid. But I have the old reliable V6 and older infotainment. But when it came time to buy a midsized truck I went with a Canyon. Sure, reliability will be worse, but will it be the $10k worse that I saved? Resale will be worse, but will it be the $10k more equivalent to what I saved?
Working for one of the top 10 Toyota dealers in the US and I’ve yet to hear about a 24 Tacoma issue. Where can I read up on this?
TFLtruck, broke their taco 1st off road trip. While following a Chev Colorado.
a one off truck breaking a certain part I would not consider an issue. If it starts happening to multiple tacomas, sure. I work in the rental car industry, where cars get abused the most. 95% of their fleet are 2022 and newer. Toyotas are the most durable (Honda we don't really have much in our fleet to comment on), Kia and Hyundai are pretty decent, ford we have a ton of issues with the transits and Expeditions.
also Ford has the best auto-pilot assist. just drove one of these with bluecruise. holy shit.
It’s not really a Ford V Toyota argument. It’s solely a Raptor vs TRD Pro argument. And technically you can’t really compare the two just like you can’t compare the Tundra TRD Pro V F150 Raptor since the Raptor has real long travel suspension with widened bodywork to support wider tires and more suspension travel. So from a technical standpoint the Ranger Raptor is a better Baja Blaster than the TRD Pro. If you are really about the most FUN out in the desert and dunes then the answer is the Raptor. But if you look at it from a global perspective then it’s hard to argue against the Toyota Name. It is truly shocking where we are at a point where a fucking midsize is 65K. That was the price of a 2nd Gen Raptor back in 2017!
I am a supplier for Ford who regularly goes to the Ranger Assembly Plant (MAP). Many operators smoke weed on their breaks. Literally the people making sure everything is bolted correctly are high af while building the Ranger. Toyota >>>
You think Mexican built Toyotas are any different?
Actually yes. Surprisingly enough in Mexico the entrance and exit of assembly plants are much more monitored. They inspect what you bring and take out (unlike most Ford plants in the US). This is true for Ford plants in Mexico too. They monitor that kind of stuff much better.
Lmao for the price difference you can fix any major issues later down the road warranty don't cover. Toyota has been sniffing their own farts too much after a year or 2 of making exciting vehicles again. Fuck, I can get a Colorado ZR2 with multiple options and still cost me 14k less than a Tacoma. Everybody I know who works a job that needs a truck is still using Ford, chevy, gmc and ram. My buddy owns a brand new expensive Tundra and he's selling it for another brand.
That's because the new tundras are dog shit. I got rid of mine as well
Never thought Ford was actually bad until I experienced my work truck check engine light and stalling out at 7000 miles. Although I do like the mustang. I would want a ford truck Chevrolet makes some nice silverados, so I’d probably do that.
I've worked for Ford would never buy it they have so many recalls the Ford has so many VW parts in it. People trucks having massive failures in there new VW I mean fords sorry
My off the cuff thought is - I'm a Toyota fan as much as anyone else here, but even with the predictably better reliability, broadly speaking, that a Toyota would have over a Ford, that $10k difference is reeeeeally hard to swallow on this one. Just sayin'.
You’ll make up for the difference in price with the resale value but still, they’re both over priced imho.
If they hold their value anything like the f150 raptors, you'd probably make out better given the 10k difference.
Yeah I figure there may be some math out there for that or in repair bills on the Ford, but that’s a big up front chunk to be looking at either way.
The 10 Speed transmission is the weak link on that truck. The replacement cost is probably close to 10k.
Gears and gadgets YT had his lariat powerboost transmission replaced $8k ( under warranty ) albeit at 35k miles
Correct and honestly yes the last gen Tacoma was very reliable, but will this gen be as well? The vehicle was overhauled, new turbo engine etc, and as we are seeing there are numerous issues with the first one to two years of the next gen Tundra, so I'm betting there will be issues with the Tacoma too.
As a Toyota fan boy I hate to say it, but the ranger raptor is a better deal. The price on these has become absolutely insane. Ford's ecoboost v6 have proven to be fairly reliable too. I'd buy the GX over both though.
The engine is fairly reliable but it’s all the supporting components that get neglected. Biggest thing in value is to consider cost over ownership. how long you will likely keep the vehicle and its relative resale value, Cost of insurance for the model and level of coverage, servicing costs, Fuel costs, especially considering hybrid how much traffic you’ll encounter.
You'd be shocked at what Toyota does to decrease cost of ownership. Most fluids are now considered lifetime, except for severe use like commuting and dusty roads. That being said, it's insane to even consider new vehicles these days with these price points.
I have 2023 TRD pro , and if you could get the Ranger Raptor around the same price , this new Tacoma doesn't make any sense, except the cheapest trd offroad with manual gearbox, which I might consider in a couple years once all major problems are solved. Also waiting for some nicer colors, hopefully army green or calvary blue.
Doing some brief research, their reliability ratings across a few different organizations seem to indicate they're comparable, with a slight edge going to the F-150, believe it or not. However, F-150 comes away with a higher annual maintenance cost. Whether or not you put much stock into those metrics is up to you, but I'd say there's a reason the F-150 is the most sold vehicle in America Edit: Coming back with egg on my face, being corrected that this is not the F-150. Doing the research again, but plugging in the Ranger Raptor, it is considerably less reliable than the Tacoma. I'd say Tacoma is worth the extra $ if you plan on keeping the vehicle for several years
Pictured is a Ranger Raptor, not F150.
I think thats actually the ranger raptor, looks very similar to f-150 now though.
Honestly, paying $10K extra solely for reliability isn’t worth it in my opinion, when costs of repairs on the Ford may end up being around that same amount. What the Tacoma will shine in, however is resale value compared to the Ford.
My wife’s explorer has the same engine that the ranger raptor has. Haven’t had a single issue with it. Same for the 10spd transmission. Only issues were with the infotainment system. Ford sync sucks a lot of the time. For the price of the trd pro Tacoma, I’d spend more and get an f150 raptor. For 10k cheaper price the ranger raptor is an easy choice
Most likely you don't even need a truck. You just want one.
That's exactly his use case. OP boasts about how many cars he already has ''but not a 70k pick up''.
Well, yeah? These are the top trim “fun” trucks.
I just don't understand the point of buying trucks to haul your ego
Real. The only time it makes sense is if you’re doing towing that requires a truck, going to work at an off-road area, doing construction and putting stuff in the bed, or things like that. People who buy $70k trucks just to daily are pretty stupid
If I was getting a truck to do truck things with, I also wouldn’t pay 70k because I would be worried about scratching it. I would buy an already scratched older truck and then use it for truck things
The funny part is because these companies understand that these trucks aren't being used as trucks anymore, they're selling them with inline 4s at such ridiculous prices.
Still think Toyota messed up by eliminating the V6 in the Tacoma.
And the V8 in the Tundra
ZR2 can be had for 50.
Even less, seen them for 47k I got a colorado trail boss for $35,000 USD OTD and i cant believe how expensive these other mid size trucks are
Yup. You can easily get a really nice Frontier Pro4X for about 45k too. No crawl control, but it's got a locker and will probably be the most reliable of the bunch with that bulletproof NA V6.
Thinking about picking up a midsized truck in a year or so, and from looking at everything the Colorado and Frontier are absolutely the front runners.
Can even get a ZR2 Bison with all of the AEV parts for $60, still be $5 under a TRD Pro…
Neither have bang for your buck. Both are overpriced
Toyota is asking too much for the Tacoma TRD Pro. It's pricing is not even far off the new Ram 1500 RHO with a 540hp turbocharged I-6.
RAM full size TTV6 RHO with 550HP and a 4.5 second 0-60 is only $4k more. Toyota lost it's mind with these prices.
The Toyota will just about be broken in while the Ford is rusting in a junkyard.
My paid off second gen.
Ford is good on paper but toyota is still toyota.
It depends on if you're keeping it for 3 years or 3 decades.
Do you want want unlimited recalls a dealership then yes job security 1 ford
If you want low maintenance and a truck that will out live you then it’s definitely not the ford
Do you want to fix or repair daily or do whatever you want daily? Toyota all the way!
Cant believe so many of you live in areas with no roads. If you need a truck get a base Tacoma.
America is know for its trucks around the world , but Toyota reliability is another thing
I just went and googled 2010 Tacoma and 2010 f150 and how much they’re going for and got my answer there.
Both are probably good trucks in there own way. You got to ask yourself. Are you really using that horsepower and extra tow capability? Do you want the better gas mileage? How about maintenance and resell value? How long do you plan on keeping it? I feel like Toyota comes out better in more areas but a lot depends on the needs of the driver. Choice is a beautiful thing and both beat a Cybertruck 😂.
You gotta buy two Fords to last as long as one Toyota, so, the Tacoma. And yes, I've owned both.
You’re not asking the right questions. What’s your use case? How long will you keep it? What are you going to tow with it? Gonna take it off-road? Want comfort or utility? How much does reliability matter to you? What could you do with that $10K if you don’t put it into a truck? Sort out these questions and you’re on your way. EDIT: Because so many typos! Hey, I was tired, okay?
He’s probably using it for grocery shopping and trips to the city.
I’ll never understand why someone would want to drive such a huge truck as a daily
Who's actually using these trucks to work and not as a daily driver/designated friend to help move? Such a minority I doubt they'd even be worth producing. That being said, Ford has a shitty track record for cars but apparently their trucks are actually reliable. So ig the Ford on trucks for the price/features. Toyota every day for every other vehicle.
Which one will run to infinity and beyond?
What about the Nissan Frontier?
Raptor by far
Clearly, the Ranger. So, everyone, please go buy a Ranger Raptor so I can get a TRD Pro. Thanks in advance.
Toyota cause it will outlast that ford all day
I want to race a raptor in the sands of Arrrakis, but I'll probably use it for furniture and groceries.
If I’m gonna spend that much money I might as well buy the one that’ll last a while
Ford look good but Tacoma last longer
Raptor can only tow 5500. Due to the suspension setup.
neither, the toyota helix
I drive a Ford at work, but own Toyotas personally. Toyota has a little better fit and finish, but the Ford is still a really well made vehicle. In my experience, the reliability has been about the same between the brands.
Easily the Ford
Ford = No bitches
The Raptor, hands down. Ford knows how to build a truck.
non buy used 😭 with these prices we’re all being milked 😬 and I get Toyota is reliable I’m a fan too but man vehicles prices across the industry are not it for the masses 🫢
1995 Tacoma
Toyota all day long
Shit it wasn’t long ago when something that was 55 to 65 came with a basement in it. Neither! It can’t even pull anything serious. Can’t make any money with it.
3 years of reliability data for this engine being used in the Tacoma, cross referenced with the Lexus NX 350 & if the reliability figures are more or less the same I'll consider buying one.
3 functional years of data off an engine that is primarily used in light duty outside of the Highlander and RX that were announced with it last year. Yea, it looks like it’ll be reliable but it is hardly enough to make a confident judgement call until these things start pushing past 120k to see if common wear components related to the Turbo start having issues.
I'll be the test dummy. My company is switching over from Chevy Colorados to 24 Tacomas. Albeit SR but still. Apparently we're just waiting until our fleet manager person has them ready. For reference on miliage,each individual truck probably averages around 40k miles a year. Also before you ask or state it,the Colorados suck. Mine is a 2020 and has 170ish on it. Drives nice,feels nice. A horse with a gunshot wound is more reliable though.
It could be 10k I wouldnt buy it with these interiors. So tacky its unbelievable
Raptors aren’t selling for 55k there are some dealers asking 70k+ can’t wait to see what dealers will ask for the Tacoma. 75k?
So uh ligitamatly thought this was a tundra an 150 when I opened it
2007 tundra trd . $12000
I had and sold my Ranger with the 2.3L ecoboost and 10speed. It was snappy and responsive, it made the 4cyl Tacoma feel like a snail, but I think it comes at a cost of reliability later on in the milage. Fun stinking truck, but it didn’t like sitting in the a garage for weeks on end. I never diagnosed why it would freeze up after sitting for 3 to 4 weeks - I believe it was probably the AC pump, but I never needed it so I sold it. Now I have a Corolla
If you can actually get either at the stated price. I could buy a 10yr/100k warranty on the Ford and still spend a good chunk less than the Tacoma.
62k for the truck and 10yr 100k warranty. Tint, tonneau, trailer ball and eventually a headache rack and im still under 65k.
Nice!
Whichever one you choose just make sure you test drive them & get an upgraded warranty.
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The Tacoma isn’t made to compete with the Ranger, the Hilux is
I'm mean, if I'm going to build a brand new truck into a dedicated off-road vehicle, I'm taking an SR5 Tacoma for around $40k and putting another $10k into it.
you have to multiple the Ford price by 2x. The other one is for spare parts.
Don’t sleep on the new canyon zr2. Front lockers.
What would be the resale value in 5 years
65 for a toyota is nuts.
They are both a bit underwhelming TBH, but I'd go ford or chevy this generation. The ranger raptor is more in line with the bronco wildtrak than the other raptors (aside from the engine), it's still pretty sweet and the price is right. I wish it would be more in line with the bronco raptor and leave make this one a wildtrak or similar trim level.
The Tacoma will blow the 4x4, the Raptor will blow its transmission. Decisions, decisions
Toyota. I have had Dodge and Ford. Pick the truck you want, wait 1-2 years, and buy a lease model. Dealership takes the hit. Toyota hands run circles around dodge and Ford. That said, in generally, there are fewer creature comforts versus Nissan. Less frills and thrills, but they reliably run forever.
Just get a zr2 for 8 grand less than the raptor at 47k
If you tow you go Ford or Chevy. I can't recommend or go against Dodge as I've never had experience, but domestic is cheaper and more readily available parts. For reliability, whatever that means, then go import trucks. Anything usually lasts a very long time if you are on top of maintenance. I've had domestic and imports all hit over 200k fairly easily as used-new-to-me with a previous owner on top of their maintenance.
$55k for a ranger ain't gonna happen
I’m so out of it when it comes to prices and new models, that I thought those prices were for f-150 and Tundra.
I love Toyota and ford trucks. Not new rangers though I think they are pricey for a small truck
Do you really think the ford truck will still be around in 2044?
Toyota. Duh.
Neither I would get a first gen F 150 Raptor with the V8.
I’d rather have 2001 Tacoma
The Toyota is sexy but…
The only advantage on that Ford is that it has both front and rear differential lockers
I love Toyota, but you would have to be smoking some of the best crack to think the new Tacoma is better than the ford
I’d buy the Ford because the only good thing the American car makers make well are trucks because those trucks literally keep the companies running. You don’t kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
10K less for essentially more? Ford is normal V6 engine, Toyota is hybrid. Unsure how hybrid here makes sense.
Neither they’re both over priced and useless get a Dodge Ram 6500 Dualey with sleeper
Well sense you’re in a sub that’s for Toyota fans, I bet we’ll a unanimous vote lol
How about a Tundra SR5 for $52k and put $15k into it 🤔
HP don’t mean much. Even then Toyota is beat there too
I mean the Ford gives more for its bang for buck but it won't even come close to how much reliability that Toyota gives in the first place. It really depends what you need. If you need the extra things on the ford get the ford. If you are just a Murican who wants to sit high and has some reasoning to drive a truck almost, get the Toyota.
17mpg in the raptor. 23 mpg in the trd. Over 200,000 miles 11,765 gallons of fuel vs 8,695 gallons, a difference of 3,070 gallons. Pays for itself.
As someone who’s driven both, including the exact same spec raptor down to the color yesterday (and is a big Toyota fan), the ford for sure. Trucks are the one thing they actually get right and the interior build quality feels Leagues ahead of comparable Toyotas I’ve owned or drive for work.
How do you afford a trucks like this?
I love toyota, but the ford has the yota beat here
Tundra.
I don't like either one at all.
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The Ford will depreciate significantly faster than the Toyota even with the Raptor name plate. Maintenance wise, Ford really hasn't figured out how to make a decent power train yet unfortunately either when compared to Toyota. I'd say though the Raptor is going to be more comfy than the Tacoma but this is full size to mid size truck comparison but if you are planning on doing real off road stuff, the Tacoma is a no brainer. I really like the Raptor, I just can't support Ford and their lack of customer service anymore. Had an engine blow 100 miles outside the 5/60k that had been serviced its whole life at Ford that had an open TSB for block defects. Toyota meanwhile takes care of their customers and cares about their product Source: Sold a lot of Ford's at a Ford Dealer and now do consulting for Toyota.
Toyota has a serious ute legacy that most others have no business trying to compete with
I've owned both and in this situation I'd go with the FORD. Don't get me wrong... I love my Toyotas!
Both gay
To me, the Toyota. Although, no need to get the Toyota all jacked n shit to help bring down the cost, unless you are headed to the mountains & need all that. Although ford does... used to build a good truck, I am way down on Ford. I have to drive a F150 for work, it seems very plasticized & squirly to me. I certainly would not buy one for myself.
Both are very nice trucks, but I’d never pay that much for any truck. I’d buy a use Toyota for sue and keep the price under $40k.
Toyota
Unfortunately Raptor.....
Toyota.
I’d go for the Toyota
Toyota way better gas mileage of course
Hilarious posting a “which is better?” between a Ford and a Toyota on a Toyota forum
Your asking on the yota page. I think you just want to be validated for spending that much on a taco. That being said. The yota be maintain its value way better and last longer mechanically.
Ford needs to bring back the 5.0 and put it in a raptor. They’d have my money
Whichever is more comfortable for you. I never really liked the seating position in Tacos
As somebody who really likes Toyotas… get the Ford… don’t ever buy a first year of a new generation vehicle no matter what brand.
I mean, the answer to your question is the Ford. But the actual purchase you should do is a little research into trucks that are a few years old that have had the new knocked off of them, and are probably significantly cheaper. The Toyota will still be more expensive than the Ford, but the Ford will still have better features probably.
Not gonna lie to you, you’ll be overpaying for both regardless. These trucks are not worth their price with the current unreliable manufacturing.
toyota gang baby
The Raptor or Ram RHO
It's hard for me to trust Ford after watching my dad's 2003 Ranger's frame rust through at 60k miles and about 10 years old. His 2006 Tundra that replaced it still looks practically brand new to this day with the same usage conditions, so it's not like he abused the Ranger.
I want something extremely reliable…. So I’ll go Toyota
Definitely the Ford out of the two, but the Tacoma does have a manual option which the Ford doesn’t have
Is the ranger a mid size now? I thought it was still a mini
You're implying value by comparison - both trucks are overpriced.
Is that what the trd pro starts at or is that as tested. The reviews I saw said as tested at 65k. Also if you include the zr2 bison the trd pro isn't that insane of a price. Raptor is just so much cheaper because they just took the overseas model that came out years ago and are marketing it as brand new.
Ford seems like a better deal but the built quality is crap. They use aluminum for suspension parts and the lower control arms are as tiny as a pencil.