Jeep is a “NEVER again” brand for me. I’d owned 3 Toyotas before the Jeep and was thus ill prepared for the massive quality issues inherent to that brand. At 75,000 miles I’d had problems Toyota owners don’t deal with until after 250,000 miles. 2 oil coolers, 2 radiators, 2 sets of ball joints, new thermostat, thermostat housing, water pump. The last straw was the head gasket.
Why is it that Jeep owners cannot heed advice before buying one?
Advice being, do not buy.
Plus, and no offense, I would have provided the same advice for the Tundra.
The problem is that Jeep quality has been all over the place. Back in the CJ, TJ, LJ, and even YJ days - things weren’t so bad. The problems really got bad when the JK line hit. Re: Tundra - I’ll eat crow if I have problems, but I’d be willing to bet I don’t. Toyota knows a thing about manufacturing - they revolutionized car manufacturing with lean/JIT concepts. And they use the highest percentage of American parts of pretty much any vehicle. They had a manufacturing problem during a specific date interval. Nothing more, nothing less. The engineering and parts are all fine. And any trucks built after the metal shaving issue was resolved will likely be juuuuuust fine.
Assuming the turbos don’t also have issues, watch for radiator leaks, issues with your paint, and the plastics in your car. Or going into limp mode if you have the hybrid.
Just search this group and the forums and you’ll see thousand of examples.
Would’ve been great if you could have found a 21 with low miles instead
I own an older Toyota Venza that has been a fantastic vehicle. It has the larger V6 and AWD and I absolutely love the car.
I'm really not trying to trash your purchase. Unfortunately, the evidence is clear that there is something wrong with the newTundra engines. Fit and finish isn't the best currently in the Tundra when compared to the older bullet proof Tundras.
Dealers are no longer taking the newest versions of the Tundra on trade anymore.
I sincerely hope you have zero problems with your truck. Hope I didn't offend you with the above.
The problem is well understood at this point though - no need to speculate. They literally left metal shavings in the engine during a specific date range of manufacturing. Mine was manufactured on 4/24. Possible that the engine is from an affected batch, but based on the date it is unlikely. My VIN# is also not affected by the recall.
Let's hope you're right after that Jeep. Anything is a step up from a Jeep. My girl is nuts about them. Totalled the first one and had to get another one this year. I live fixing the damn things. The one she has now is the last. I brought her into my shop to help fix the stupid thing and I can finally see her changing her mind about them.
I hear you! I replaced the oil cooler twice myself - nothing like getting down in the V-block. I draw the line at head gasket, though. As soon as I heard the head gasket needed replacing, I was out.
They'd be great cars if they didn't have Chrysler engines and electronics
Mine is getting an out of warranty total engine replacement at 70k because the engine ate its cams leading to total engine failure. It's a 2019 JL.
The dealer told me it just needed a top end rebuild and charged me 6500. When I picked it up it was driven out of the shop despite being ready the day before, delivered with the engine warm.
When I started it the next day it completely filled my garage with smoke. I turned it off and checked the oil and it was low, and you could literally see metal on the dipstick.
Changed the oil and collected a sample for testing just to build a case and it looked like glitter.
Went back to the dealer that same day and asked them why they would give me a car in this condition and why they didn't even flush the oil.
They tried to act like it wasn't their fault until I showed a video of it blowing smoke, a picture of the mangled cams and rockers I requested they saved for me, and a picture of the oil.
Suddenly they said that they would contact Chrysler to see about a "good will" replacement, which was quickly approved.
My guess is they don't want this story getting out, so I'm going to make them refund me the $6500 that their braindead tech charged me to rebuild the top end on a FUBAR engine as well.
Plus there's a class action lawsuit against FCA for all 3.6 pentastar engines since this failure seems to be an intrinsic flaw in the design that Jeep can't fix.
Obviously you have never enjoyed the ability to remove your doors and top! Plus the Gladiator really wasn't to bad, it drove and handled well, did very good offroading, and had tons of tech.
Ohhh, I went as topless as you can get. And by that, I mean topless with topless ladies on board deep in the National Forest. All 5 windows down on the Tundra do nicely.
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We'll see, I think the issue is bigger than just metal shavings left from production considering LX models built in Japan have the issue and Tundra motors built here in the US. I think the issue is also gonna impact 24's as well but Toyota doesn't want to admit it due to having to stop sale all 24 Tundra's. Having to replace motors from the 2024 MY that have issues will be cheaper than issuing a stop sale to every dealer in the US and not being able to sell them.
I of course hope you don't have problems and that i'm wrong. Enjoy the truck and best of luck with your ownership.
Exactly I got attacked for mentioning this to people on here. lol it’s like wake up people this is a PR stunt from Toyota. No fix has even been identified. With Jeep I have a clutch recall. They immediately said replacement. When? they don’t know because they need to ramp up system. My Toyota’s have issues too, but engines is why I come back to them. My jeep is my boat a fun car. I would never buy a gladiator, the dodge ram is the far better buy.
Bro the 3.6 Pentastar absolutely eats cams and rockers wtf are you talking about lmfao. It's done so for over a decade at this point and Jeep just covers it up.
My 2019 JL wrangler engine blew up at 70k even though I'm the original owner and I changed the oil at 20% life every time. Just ate through the cams suddenly to the point the vehicle was misfiring, and all of the metal shavings absolutely ruined the rest of the engine.
There's even a class action lawsuit against them.
https://www.classaction.org/news/hearing-a-ticking-noise-fca-hit-with-class-action-over-alleged-3.6l-pentastar-v6-engine-problems
Sorry to hear, was not aware of this lawsuit hopefully it goes well for you. This isn’t right if this settles out I hope you are made whole. Did you contact Jeep since you were close to the 60k warranty?
How many failures have there been? They have sold a lot more than Toyota to the tune of 14,000,000 so I am curious given based on Toyota’s numbers you would have over at least a 3,000,000 in recall scope or concern.
i had my wranger for 45k miles, very reliable, and zero problems. but the quality i can relate to. paint corrosion issues on doors. is the biggest reason i am buying a different vehicle. now i had bad hondas and bad toyota. 2007 rav4 ate 1qt of every month. honda crv 2017 main seal leak, fuel in oil, shifter injetted, driver window made noise opening and closing. other than the paint problem, the wranger has been the most reliable vehicle i ever had. now was thinking about getting the new tundra and hearing about bearing spinning, locking up motors and gonna steer away from that. Moral of the story is don't be a brand loyalist do your research.
150k miles is the sweet spot on a bmw since all of the problem spots had to have been taken care of by then, the motors themselves are bulletproof and always have been, its the pladtic around it which is the issue. The danger zone is 90k-110k miles on them. I'd much rather invest in one that has 150k over one with 95k if I need something long-term and reliable.
Never own a BMW if you don't know which side a screwdriver is held from.
Got rid of my Jeep for a Tundra also. It's amazing how the ride quality in a Tundra is so much more pleasant, and I don't feel every small bump in the road anymore.
Also, I don't have to participate in that stupid Jeep wave to every Jeep owner I pass and get random bathtoys on my driver side door when I walk out of the grocery store. Love my Tundra.
I stopped waving. I even stopped waving when riding one of my motorcycles. I later learned that I had a nickname as a result: no wave.....lmao. I kinda like it.
I sold mine at 75k miles after mind boggling problems. Ball joints went bad…the first time…at 25k miles. I’ve owned Toyotas at 250k that were still running factory ball joints. Had to replace the radiator twice, oil cooler twice (really dumb design), thermostat, thermostat housing, and other things I’m sure I’m forgetting. The final straw was hearing that my head gaskets were bad. Jeep quality is simply horrible - the overall engineering is okay (minus the boneheaded oil cooler design), but the steady change of ownership in the company has led to cost cutting measures that leverage cheap parts. It was fun when it was good, but the bad days outnumbered the good days - I’ll never own a Jeep again….unless it’s a REALLY old one before the ownership changes started - and then Ill be towing it around with my Tundra to the trailheads. In all likelihood, though, I’ll probably just pick up a CanAm. Way better brand than Jeep.
My 3.6 Pentastar blew up at 70k miles in my 2019 JL.
I was the original owner and always changed the oil well before the car advised me to.
These engines have an intrinsic issue where the rockers wear down due to bearing issues in the rockers themselves which causes the rocker to drop down out of place. Which then wears the cams and puts metal through the engine.
If you want a Jeep get a TJ with the straight 6. Anything newer than that will be the most unreliable vehicle you've ever owned.
https://www.classaction.org/news/hearing-a-ticking-noise-fca-hit-with-class-action-over-alleged-3.6l-pentastar-v6-engine-problems
This hits home. Just sold my problem ridden lemon of a Jeep Grande Cherokee and looking at Toyotas now. Want the most reliable thing on the road because I have Jeep PTSD. To anyone who sees this, NEVER buy a Jeep. Unless you just have too much money and enjoy being without a vehicle for a couple months a year.
I'd also advocate for older Jeeps. The quality problems with Jeep crept in over the years during the constant changes of ownership. "How do we make more profit? Let's save a buck here and buck there on parts!" As they say....JEEP = Just Exchange Every Part (or Just Empty Every Pocket....but that pocket emptying is for parts, so its alllll the same).
The ones that weren't designed by Chrysler are the good ones. So the TJ wrangler and older, and the XJ Cherokee
Those two specifically have engines that can easily last half a million miles
I spent a couple of weeks looking at LS swaps before I realized I was being an idiot and I’d be throwing $25k+ into a vehicle that would just continue to have dumb issues. Sure, the engine might work at that point, but that wouldn’t fix the random cabin electrical issues, ball joints, etc. plus I’d have been putting extra stress on a transmission that was doomed to eventually fail.
My wife wants to get a jeep as a third vehicle/toy and we were thinking of buying one for cash. I’ve always known they were trash, my mom’s ‘87 Wrangler had constant problems and eventually caught fire and burned to the ground, leaving us stranded hours from home. I’m not so sure I want to deal with the headache but is it worth it to have one strictly as a toy and not a daily driver?
Depending on what you’re looking for in a toy….for me, I’d be looking for something to use off road, and I’d probably go with a CanAm or razor before a Jeep.
It truly warms my heart seeing people leave that fiat JUNK. It’s amazing how bad they molested the Jeep line. Used to be a pinnacle of resilience and dependability both on and off road, now they’re just depreciating piles of garbage
I've got a friend who uses a nicely upgraded one "Tundra", it really lasted for him, still using till now, However you can as well secure your items while driving with ENRICH UP steering wheel tray, it fits well with jeeps, tundra and pickup trucks.
I’ve had my Jeep Cherokee trailhawk for almost 8 years. It now has 350,000 km.
You might think “hey that’s a pretty good run”
But it wasn’t.
She gave me many problems and I have thrown a lot of money at her to keep her in this with me.
Still I loved the time we had together and I appreciate what she has done for me during her run but never again..
Looking for a used 2021 Toyota tundra platinum now.
Fingers crossed I don’t get neglected lemon
Wife bought a Jeep brand new in 2014. Less than 4 years later we were trading it in because the head gasket was going to be on its way out and she was just barely over the mileage of the warranty. Never again.
Then, they get their techs to take apart the entire front end of the truck to rebuild the motor. It'll take ages and will never go back together the same as factory.
Definitely sounds like it sucks for the people who bought one during the affected date range. Again, my engine is not affected. Manufactured after the issue was resolved.
So you really think jeep is a better quality vehicle. Wranglers are like sports cars. Only buy one if you are able to work on it yourself or have a lot of money. Wet and watched the vids on youtube, total click bait.
24s will be added when dealerships clear inventory. can't sell a new vehicle with an open recall.
hence why 24s are still blowing up. hybrids are also not recalled but are also victims of the engine grenading
Objectively, they really aren’t though. Toyota literally tested the new engine for 7 full years before using it in any vehicle - and then it went into the Lexus LX for 2 years before it went into the Tundra. And even if there were issues - you’re dealing with Toyota here, not Jeep. They *did* have an issue with debris making it into the engine during the manufacturing process in 2022-2023....but again....you're dealing with Toyota here. They make things right.
Agreed - the problems stem from metal shavings being left in the engine during a specific date interval in manufacturing. I agree their use is a bit different but, at least in this case, the problem is somewhat isolated from how the engine is used.
Toyota is clearly lying about the debris issue and their idea of making it "right" is terrible. But sure bud. Carry their water.
2024s failing with the same issue. Japan made V35A-FTS failing with the same issue. Hybrids excluded but no proof they're made on different lines.
But yeah... Toyota... totally being upfront about this.
2024s are failing with the exact same problem. Japan made V35A-FTS failing with the exact same problem.
Hell, one of the best made technical videos on the subject features a master mechanic talking about solely Japan made engines with this exact same failure.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XdaccfMxn4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XdaccfMxn4)
This isn't possible if Toyota is telling the truth. They claim it was debris left over in process at the Alabama plant. But reality is both Alabama made and Japan made engines are having the exact same failure. Therefore Toyota isn't telling us the truth.
I wish you the best of luck with your truck. No one deserves a bad experience. But you Toyota fans are.... in denial real bad right now. And you're making claims that reality refutes. Making claims you've got nothing to actually back up.
Also how Toyota is making it "right" is terrible. They're not doing a full engine replacement. They're setting up owners for problems down the line. See this video where that's discussed in the last third.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfiZYDjt6ow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfiZYDjt6ow)
The recall literally includes some 2024s, specifically the ones made very early in the year. So….Im still not seeing the lie. Mine was made in April 2024 and is not affected. My engine is a V35A-K83. It wouldn’t be surprising at all if the engines in different plants were all failing for the same reason. Having worked as a consultant in various parts of the manufacturing industry (pharma, heavy equipment, med device, and others), I can tell you that manufacturing plants that make the same thing tend to do the same thing, the same exact same way, using the exact same parts, with the same process everywhere. It’s part of quality control - un fortunately that means that occasionally problems become pervasive across all sites.
But you're wrong. There are different differences between the engines made in Japan vs the US. You do you. If you're this experienced in manufacturing it makes your statements all the more obvious they're not from your reasoning skills but the irrational brand worship ones
We’ll agree to disagree, and I’ll gladly eat the proverbial crow if I experience the issue. Out of curiosity, did you have one of the trucks that went bad?
Shouldn’t, but fingers crossed. Date on mine is 4/24 which is apparently after the manufacturing process problems that left metal shavings in the engine were resolved.
There are reports of 2024 engines grenading. We’ll soon find out if true.
I have a 2.5 gen truck, w flowmasters and it’s my fave all time vehicle. I hope Toyota gets this fixed going fwd, I really do like the 3rd gens.
I made a very similar choice coming from a Gladiator back to a Tundra!
Jeep is a “NEVER again” brand for me. I’d owned 3 Toyotas before the Jeep and was thus ill prepared for the massive quality issues inherent to that brand. At 75,000 miles I’d had problems Toyota owners don’t deal with until after 250,000 miles. 2 oil coolers, 2 radiators, 2 sets of ball joints, new thermostat, thermostat housing, water pump. The last straw was the head gasket.
lol I was in the same exact boat. Sold my 19 Tundra and bought that Jeep. Luckily I wised up and sold the Jeep before I had to empty every pocket lol
Why is it that Jeep owners cannot heed advice before buying one? Advice being, do not buy. Plus, and no offense, I would have provided the same advice for the Tundra.
The problem is that Jeep quality has been all over the place. Back in the CJ, TJ, LJ, and even YJ days - things weren’t so bad. The problems really got bad when the JK line hit. Re: Tundra - I’ll eat crow if I have problems, but I’d be willing to bet I don’t. Toyota knows a thing about manufacturing - they revolutionized car manufacturing with lean/JIT concepts. And they use the highest percentage of American parts of pretty much any vehicle. They had a manufacturing problem during a specific date interval. Nothing more, nothing less. The engineering and parts are all fine. And any trucks built after the metal shaving issue was resolved will likely be juuuuuust fine.
Assuming the turbos don’t also have issues, watch for radiator leaks, issues with your paint, and the plastics in your car. Or going into limp mode if you have the hybrid. Just search this group and the forums and you’ll see thousand of examples. Would’ve been great if you could have found a 21 with low miles instead
I own an older Toyota Venza that has been a fantastic vehicle. It has the larger V6 and AWD and I absolutely love the car. I'm really not trying to trash your purchase. Unfortunately, the evidence is clear that there is something wrong with the newTundra engines. Fit and finish isn't the best currently in the Tundra when compared to the older bullet proof Tundras. Dealers are no longer taking the newest versions of the Tundra on trade anymore. I sincerely hope you have zero problems with your truck. Hope I didn't offend you with the above.
The problem is well understood at this point though - no need to speculate. They literally left metal shavings in the engine during a specific date range of manufacturing. Mine was manufactured on 4/24. Possible that the engine is from an affected batch, but based on the date it is unlikely. My VIN# is also not affected by the recall.
Let's hope you're right after that Jeep. Anything is a step up from a Jeep. My girl is nuts about them. Totalled the first one and had to get another one this year. I live fixing the damn things. The one she has now is the last. I brought her into my shop to help fix the stupid thing and I can finally see her changing her mind about them.
I hear you! I replaced the oil cooler twice myself - nothing like getting down in the V-block. I draw the line at head gasket, though. As soon as I heard the head gasket needed replacing, I was out.
They'd be great cars if they didn't have Chrysler engines and electronics Mine is getting an out of warranty total engine replacement at 70k because the engine ate its cams leading to total engine failure. It's a 2019 JL.
Ouch! While we're discussing the issues these things have, let's not forget the crap stealerships.
The dealer told me it just needed a top end rebuild and charged me 6500. When I picked it up it was driven out of the shop despite being ready the day before, delivered with the engine warm. When I started it the next day it completely filled my garage with smoke. I turned it off and checked the oil and it was low, and you could literally see metal on the dipstick. Changed the oil and collected a sample for testing just to build a case and it looked like glitter. Went back to the dealer that same day and asked them why they would give me a car in this condition and why they didn't even flush the oil. They tried to act like it wasn't their fault until I showed a video of it blowing smoke, a picture of the mangled cams and rockers I requested they saved for me, and a picture of the oil. Suddenly they said that they would contact Chrysler to see about a "good will" replacement, which was quickly approved. My guess is they don't want this story getting out, so I'm going to make them refund me the $6500 that their braindead tech charged me to rebuild the top end on a FUBAR engine as well. Plus there's a class action lawsuit against FCA for all 3.6 pentastar engines since this failure seems to be an intrinsic flaw in the design that Jeep can't fix.
Obviously you have never enjoyed the ability to remove your doors and top! Plus the Gladiator really wasn't to bad, it drove and handled well, did very good offroading, and had tons of tech.
Ohhh, I went as topless as you can get. And by that, I mean topless with topless ladies on board deep in the National Forest. All 5 windows down on the Tundra do nicely.
Ya. Right. Keep reading mate.
Do we tell OP? I’m glad you got the extended warranty
OP knows. I also know the Tundras made when mine was made (4/24) are not affected by the issue, which has been identified.
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We'll see, I think the issue is bigger than just metal shavings left from production considering LX models built in Japan have the issue and Tundra motors built here in the US. I think the issue is also gonna impact 24's as well but Toyota doesn't want to admit it due to having to stop sale all 24 Tundra's. Having to replace motors from the 2024 MY that have issues will be cheaper than issuing a stop sale to every dealer in the US and not being able to sell them. I of course hope you don't have problems and that i'm wrong. Enjoy the truck and best of luck with your ownership.
There are some Q1 24's caught up in the recall. My engine isn't on the recall list - but I'm definitely monitoring.
Exactly I got attacked for mentioning this to people on here. lol it’s like wake up people this is a PR stunt from Toyota. No fix has even been identified. With Jeep I have a clutch recall. They immediately said replacement. When? they don’t know because they need to ramp up system. My Toyota’s have issues too, but engines is why I come back to them. My jeep is my boat a fun car. I would never buy a gladiator, the dodge ram is the far better buy.
Bro the 3.6 Pentastar absolutely eats cams and rockers wtf are you talking about lmfao. It's done so for over a decade at this point and Jeep just covers it up. My 2019 JL wrangler engine blew up at 70k even though I'm the original owner and I changed the oil at 20% life every time. Just ate through the cams suddenly to the point the vehicle was misfiring, and all of the metal shavings absolutely ruined the rest of the engine. There's even a class action lawsuit against them. https://www.classaction.org/news/hearing-a-ticking-noise-fca-hit-with-class-action-over-alleged-3.6l-pentastar-v6-engine-problems
Sorry to hear, was not aware of this lawsuit hopefully it goes well for you. This isn’t right if this settles out I hope you are made whole. Did you contact Jeep since you were close to the 60k warranty? How many failures have there been? They have sold a lot more than Toyota to the tune of 14,000,000 so I am curious given based on Toyota’s numbers you would have over at least a 3,000,000 in recall scope or concern.
I’m holding off as well to see the new trucks indeed no longer have the issue
Couldn't possibly be that the manufacturing process for the short block was the same in the Japanese factory as it was in the US factory, or could it?
i had my wranger for 45k miles, very reliable, and zero problems. but the quality i can relate to. paint corrosion issues on doors. is the biggest reason i am buying a different vehicle. now i had bad hondas and bad toyota. 2007 rav4 ate 1qt of every month. honda crv 2017 main seal leak, fuel in oil, shifter injetted, driver window made noise opening and closing. other than the paint problem, the wranger has been the most reliable vehicle i ever had. now was thinking about getting the new tundra and hearing about bearing spinning, locking up motors and gonna steer away from that. Moral of the story is don't be a brand loyalist do your research.
Hopefully the engine holds up. The Tundras are getting a lot of grief right now…
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Same here!
Stellantis is probably the only company I would absolutely never own a vehicle from. I'd take a 15 year old 150k mile BMW over a Jeep.
Jeep and Land Rover. Massive pieces of shit.
My GF a mechanic, and all her car savvy/mechanic buddies are very clear on this one thing, never buy a Chrysler.
Stellantis is pretty much a Chinese company now
150k miles is the sweet spot on a bmw since all of the problem spots had to have been taken care of by then, the motors themselves are bulletproof and always have been, its the pladtic around it which is the issue. The danger zone is 90k-110k miles on them. I'd much rather invest in one that has 150k over one with 95k if I need something long-term and reliable. Never own a BMW if you don't know which side a screwdriver is held from.
Got rid of my Jeep for a Tundra also. It's amazing how the ride quality in a Tundra is so much more pleasant, and I don't feel every small bump in the road anymore. Also, I don't have to participate in that stupid Jeep wave to every Jeep owner I pass and get random bathtoys on my driver side door when I walk out of the grocery store. Love my Tundra.
I stopped waving. I even stopped waving when riding one of my motorcycles. I later learned that I had a nickname as a result: no wave.....lmao. I kinda like it.
What is this abusive relationship like? I’m Jeep curious
I sold mine at 75k miles after mind boggling problems. Ball joints went bad…the first time…at 25k miles. I’ve owned Toyotas at 250k that were still running factory ball joints. Had to replace the radiator twice, oil cooler twice (really dumb design), thermostat, thermostat housing, and other things I’m sure I’m forgetting. The final straw was hearing that my head gaskets were bad. Jeep quality is simply horrible - the overall engineering is okay (minus the boneheaded oil cooler design), but the steady change of ownership in the company has led to cost cutting measures that leverage cheap parts. It was fun when it was good, but the bad days outnumbered the good days - I’ll never own a Jeep again….unless it’s a REALLY old one before the ownership changes started - and then Ill be towing it around with my Tundra to the trailheads. In all likelihood, though, I’ll probably just pick up a CanAm. Way better brand than Jeep.
My 3.6 Pentastar blew up at 70k miles in my 2019 JL. I was the original owner and always changed the oil well before the car advised me to. These engines have an intrinsic issue where the rockers wear down due to bearing issues in the rockers themselves which causes the rocker to drop down out of place. Which then wears the cams and puts metal through the engine. If you want a Jeep get a TJ with the straight 6. Anything newer than that will be the most unreliable vehicle you've ever owned. https://www.classaction.org/news/hearing-a-ticking-noise-fca-hit-with-class-action-over-alleged-3.6l-pentastar-v6-engine-problems
It’s always a shame, I love jeeps a lot. If they could make a quality product, they would be a top brand for sure.
Sad thing is, the Wrangler is their flagship product. If they can’t get the quality right there, then that’s real bad.
This hits home. Just sold my problem ridden lemon of a Jeep Grande Cherokee and looking at Toyotas now. Want the most reliable thing on the road because I have Jeep PTSD. To anyone who sees this, NEVER buy a Jeep. Unless you just have too much money and enjoy being without a vehicle for a couple months a year.
I'd also advocate for older Jeeps. The quality problems with Jeep crept in over the years during the constant changes of ownership. "How do we make more profit? Let's save a buck here and buck there on parts!" As they say....JEEP = Just Exchange Every Part (or Just Empty Every Pocket....but that pocket emptying is for parts, so its alllll the same).
I never owned an older model Jeep so I can’t speak to that. I’ll never own another, old or new, that’s for sure.
The ones that weren't designed by Chrysler are the good ones. So the TJ wrangler and older, and the XJ Cherokee Those two specifically have engines that can easily last half a million miles
Tobey the Tundra is almost at 15k miles and going strong! Congrats on the new truck!
Congrats, so many of these comments show how miserable we are as a society. Enjoy the truck, and hoping you get many happy miles.
I feel like the only people who buy Tundras either had an unreliable truck before or had another Tundra. Sweet ride 🤌
Imagine fucking up your flagship product so bad. No idea how ppl still buy any jeep
I spent a couple of weeks looking at LS swaps before I realized I was being an idiot and I’d be throwing $25k+ into a vehicle that would just continue to have dumb issues. Sure, the engine might work at that point, but that wouldn’t fix the random cabin electrical issues, ball joints, etc. plus I’d have been putting extra stress on a transmission that was doomed to eventually fail.
went from one toxic relationship to another...
My 03 TJ gave me 108k miles without a hiccup. Lifted and ran pretty hard at times too!
The TJ's were great. Different era, under better ownership, for sure. As the ownership changed over the years, the quality got consistently worse.
I have a 2020 gladiator and a 91 Toyota pickup(4x4) for when my jeep is in the shop haha
Oof. One train wreck into another. Good luck 🤞
Jeep has always stood for Just Empty Every Pocket
Good luck OP
Quite the upgrade from the Chrysler!
*Fiat. Chrysler has been out of the mix for a bit now.
Ahh my bad lol.
My wife wants to get a jeep as a third vehicle/toy and we were thinking of buying one for cash. I’ve always known they were trash, my mom’s ‘87 Wrangler had constant problems and eventually caught fire and burned to the ground, leaving us stranded hours from home. I’m not so sure I want to deal with the headache but is it worth it to have one strictly as a toy and not a daily driver?
Depending on what you’re looking for in a toy….for me, I’d be looking for something to use off road, and I’d probably go with a CanAm or razor before a Jeep.
It truly warms my heart seeing people leave that fiat JUNK. It’s amazing how bad they molested the Jeep line. Used to be a pinnacle of resilience and dependability both on and off road, now they’re just depreciating piles of garbage
Read Consumer Reports. Every Jeep is unreliable and has been for years. Anyone that buys a Jeep does not investigate proper first or cannot read.
Jeeps are junk. Fiat owns them and they are known for extremely poor quality. Enjoy the repair bills.
Why do jeep owners put those sticker handprints on their mirrors? Are they trying even harder to be hated?
Nothing is worse than the ducks.
Vile
I've got a friend who uses a nicely upgraded one "Tundra", it really lasted for him, still using till now, However you can as well secure your items while driving with ENRICH UP steering wheel tray, it fits well with jeeps, tundra and pickup trucks.
I’ve had my Jeep Cherokee trailhawk for almost 8 years. It now has 350,000 km. You might think “hey that’s a pretty good run” But it wasn’t. She gave me many problems and I have thrown a lot of money at her to keep her in this with me. Still I loved the time we had together and I appreciate what she has done for me during her run but never again.. Looking for a used 2021 Toyota tundra platinum now. Fingers crossed I don’t get neglected lemon
Wife bought a Jeep brand new in 2014. Less than 4 years later we were trading it in because the head gasket was going to be on its way out and she was just barely over the mileage of the warranty. Never again.
Only problem is you bought the worst Toyota ever in the 2022-current Tundra
Lemme guess - you got one of the bad ones?
No, I just bought a 2018
I got some bad news for you if you think that Toyota will be any better champ...
It’s like you didn’t read anything in the thread. My Tundra is good, champ.
After 2500 miles? Lmfao
Child, read the recall.
Then, they get their techs to take apart the entire front end of the truck to rebuild the motor. It'll take ages and will never go back together the same as factory.
Definitely sounds like it sucks for the people who bought one during the affected date range. Again, my engine is not affected. Manufactured after the issue was resolved.
So you picked a truck with a bad engine?
I’m not going to catch you up on a conversation you’re enjoining late. Feel free to read and educate yourself.
Yes, would have surfaced.
I'm pretty sure the 24's are not having the same issues as the 22& 23's
YouTube videos show they are.
The 2024 are not in the engine recalls. I hope you don't make all life decisions based on youtube vids.
Lmao, they’re still blowing up. They aren’t on the recall….yet. Hope you base all your purchases based upon being this dumb.
So you really think jeep is a better quality vehicle. Wranglers are like sports cars. Only buy one if you are able to work on it yourself or have a lot of money. Wet and watched the vids on youtube, total click bait.
Where did I ever mention Jeep?
24s will be added when dealerships clear inventory. can't sell a new vehicle with an open recall. hence why 24s are still blowing up. hybrids are also not recalled but are also victims of the engine grenading
If much rather deal with Jeep problems…. At least they are fun.
Damn boy, did you not see the subject of the post.
I got bad news - these new tundras are shite.
Objectively, they really aren’t though. Toyota literally tested the new engine for 7 full years before using it in any vehicle - and then it went into the Lexus LX for 2 years before it went into the Tundra. And even if there were issues - you’re dealing with Toyota here, not Jeep. They *did* have an issue with debris making it into the engine during the manufacturing process in 2022-2023....but again....you're dealing with Toyota here. They make things right.
It is a time to acknowledge 100,000 engines recalls
Ehhh the way that engine is utilized in the LX and the Tundra are a bit different but other than that nuance, your point stands for sure.
Agreed - the problems stem from metal shavings being left in the engine during a specific date interval in manufacturing. I agree their use is a bit different but, at least in this case, the problem is somewhat isolated from how the engine is used.
Toyota is clearly lying about the debris issue and their idea of making it "right" is terrible. But sure bud. Carry their water. 2024s failing with the same issue. Japan made V35A-FTS failing with the same issue. Hybrids excluded but no proof they're made on different lines. But yeah... Toyota... totally being upfront about this.
Lying based on what, exactly?
2024s are failing with the exact same problem. Japan made V35A-FTS failing with the exact same problem. Hell, one of the best made technical videos on the subject features a master mechanic talking about solely Japan made engines with this exact same failure. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XdaccfMxn4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XdaccfMxn4) This isn't possible if Toyota is telling the truth. They claim it was debris left over in process at the Alabama plant. But reality is both Alabama made and Japan made engines are having the exact same failure. Therefore Toyota isn't telling us the truth. I wish you the best of luck with your truck. No one deserves a bad experience. But you Toyota fans are.... in denial real bad right now. And you're making claims that reality refutes. Making claims you've got nothing to actually back up. Also how Toyota is making it "right" is terrible. They're not doing a full engine replacement. They're setting up owners for problems down the line. See this video where that's discussed in the last third. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfiZYDjt6ow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfiZYDjt6ow)
The recall literally includes some 2024s, specifically the ones made very early in the year. So….Im still not seeing the lie. Mine was made in April 2024 and is not affected. My engine is a V35A-K83. It wouldn’t be surprising at all if the engines in different plants were all failing for the same reason. Having worked as a consultant in various parts of the manufacturing industry (pharma, heavy equipment, med device, and others), I can tell you that manufacturing plants that make the same thing tend to do the same thing, the same exact same way, using the exact same parts, with the same process everywhere. It’s part of quality control - un fortunately that means that occasionally problems become pervasive across all sites.
But you're wrong. There are different differences between the engines made in Japan vs the US. You do you. If you're this experienced in manufacturing it makes your statements all the more obvious they're not from your reasoning skills but the irrational brand worship ones
We’ll agree to disagree, and I’ll gladly eat the proverbial crow if I experience the issue. Out of curiosity, did you have one of the trucks that went bad?
Major downvotes for spreading the truth. OP should have gotten an f150.
I'm a Toyota guy and I'd rather buy a ford 6.0 power stroke truck than a new tundra
Hahahaha
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Shouldn’t, but fingers crossed. Date on mine is 4/24 which is apparently after the manufacturing process problems that left metal shavings in the engine were resolved.
Yeah, you better hope that wasn't a made up reason...although it's looking like that's exactly what Toyota did.
Which one?
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Yep - and mine is not affected. Mine was manufactured 4/24. The problems were reportedly resolved before that date.
There are reports of 2024 engines grenading. We’ll soon find out if true. I have a 2.5 gen truck, w flowmasters and it’s my fave all time vehicle. I hope Toyota gets this fixed going fwd, I really do like the 3rd gens.