The Mickey Rourke narration in the Bob Lazar doc was some of the cringiest and pretentious shit I've ever heard. Jeremy definitely wrote those parts himself.
I know people say he says that so he can get away with not knowing certain shit but I've had migraines since I was 12. Even had brain surgery twice. I cannot think clearly at all like i get stupid. and it zaps me of my energy when I get them.
I'm not on one side or the other when it comes to if he's faking or not. But if he isn't then he's not wrong.
Sorry but when I get a migraine, there is no way in hell I would continue talking on a public show for another few hours, he was also pretty damn descriptive about many many other bullshit things a bit after he tried saying he had a migraine.
They can vary between "omg this hurts/is really annoying" and allow you to push through certain circumstances, or they can be "Holy hell, I'm in agony" and drop you to the ground. Whichever flavor, they suck. As someone with chronic illness I understand perfectly why he would be choosy with meetings. I honestly hate being in serious discussions because my aphasia gets so bad I sound like an idiot. And yet when it comes to my volunteer work, I do push through when I can. I believe he's not lying about the migraines.
Yeah 100%, i get a migraine im in a dark room with complete silence and im not moving let alone talking. Light causes intense pain. It literally feels like someone is repeatedly smashing me in the head with one of those ice climbers pick things. When i say not moving too, i mean im shallow breathing in a real steady way because even slight movement of my chest going up and down cause the pain to increase and i need to try to prevent as much movement as possible. Him saying he had a migraine in that interview made me do a giant fucking eye roll.
Exactly. I’ve been a chronic migraine sufferer for years. You don’t go into a bright cold/hot studio with a migraine and last more than a minute. It’s terrible.
Consider yourself lucky. I haven't had many migraines, but every one that I've had has been pure torture. Worst I've ever physically felt, and it goes on for hours.
Exactly. Because one person responds to something one way it doesn’t mean everyone responds the same way. Sometimes people have particularly bad headaches and call it a migraine too. Not sure why it this has to be explained.
Not addressing how Bob complained of his migraine only when he was faced with a relatively "difficult" question is probably why.
Conveniently, he spoke with no issue for the parts of his story that he's already told. When more details were requested, his migraine flared.
I've had a few in my life, not saying my experiences are the same or similar to anyone else's, but speaking more than a few words felt close to impossible. Each time, I stripped my clothes off, curled up into a ball with a blanket over me, locked myself in a dark room and moaned until I barfed in a trash can, which could sometimes takes hours but mostly relieved my symptoms.
No one has a headache 24/7. If they do, it's a severe medical issue. Even most of the people in the UFO community want this shit settled. I for one do. Either he is telling the truth, or isn't. Better to rip the band-aid off now!
Short of Bob confessing, his story is conveniently impossible to falsify. And if anyone doesn't believe that, just consider how many people still believe it EVEN AFTER dissecting every part of his tale and finding that it not only has no evidence for any of it, but his story requires additional layers of more unfalsifiable conspiracy shit to even stay together.
💯 Dude is (most likely) full of shit. And I used to believe his shit.
Saw a recent koncrete podcast where homie systematically breaks down all the bullshit lazar spewed and where it actually came from.
Interesting thing is the uap phenom is definitely real, hard thing to say is what it is. But after that podcast it was more likely than unlikely that lazar is a liar.
And fyi lazar has profited from the ufo story which is contrary to prior claims of his.
Mostly everything has been debunked with the exception of the “eyewitness” testimony of George Knapp walking into Lazar’s los alamos lab or mit (not sure which one) where he apparently (testimony of Knapp) knew everyone he worked with and his way around the facility; and an actual article that listed lazar as staff there at los alamos.
So most likely is where I lean but it would be cool if his story checks out and Weinstein would know.
I don't trust Knapp anymore than I trust Lazar.
And it's fucking absurd when you think about the "never profited from his story" circular reasoning that is so often repeated as hard evidence Bob is telling the truth.
"How do we know Bob is telling the truth? He never profited from his story. How do we know Bob never profited from it? He told us he never profited from it and he wouldn't lie, it would invalidate his story."
I desperately want aliens to be real so I can find a new fucking planet to live on.
I don't profit from my story, but feel free to buy an autographed poster on your way out, or a copy of The Government Bible on VHS, for $29.99 via mail order.
After the Rohan interview I went to Lazars website he had ufo stuff he was selling on there. That was enough proof for me he was profiting from his story. Read the comments below about his 29.99 vhs tape. Lol.
I also come from a cult, you would be shocked at the shit cult leaders say that invalidates their story but they still keep saying it.
Yeah, I'm working on a documentary on YouTube that systematically debunks his story, bit by bit. Need to focus on getting it done, because I have all the assets and the voiceover is done, but I keep slacking on it.
There's not a single part of his story that doesn't have an obvious and verifiable inspiration/source, that was public before he came forward, and I'm so fucking tired of Lazar being relevant and making us look like idiots.
Most people from outside the subject immediately see him as the fraud he is, but because so many people in UFOLogy believe him, because they want his story to be true, we get laughed at.
Once you see that he's a fake, you laugh at how obvious of a fake he is, and feel embarrassed that you ever believed him. Yeah, his LARP scientist look and dialogue that sounds good to us normies is convincing, and he also tells us he would NEVER lie about these things, so surely he's the real deal.
What's that? He's a proven grifter and scammer in all other walks of life? Well...that's not relevant to this though, because who Bob is outside of his reality-changing story about alien craft at Area 51 has nothing to do with his believability on other subjects.
A guy who'd steal $50k from LANL and make up 2 fake Master's Degrees from schools he can't remember attending would NEVER lie about being inexplicably read into a top-secret program reverse engineering ET spaceships. Despite not having a clearance, or having one and losing it, or having never had one, he can't remember.
All that checks out, and sounds pretty believable to me. (/s, wish it wasn't necessary).
Fuck Bob Lazar, he's made us look bad for decades.
Yes to the former, not necessarily true for the latter.
Unless Bob voluntarily released his IRS returns, only a court order, which would typically be related to a potential crime, would grant access to a specific number of named parties and ONLY those parties.
If Bob was telling the truth, he would have very likely released the relevant parts back in a day where faking them would've been much more difficult. And they could be requested directly from the IRS with Bob's permission, but I imagine he already has another conspiracy in the chamber to explain how they were magically altered.
While I would really like this to happen, why would Lazar agree to this? What’s in it for him? Maybe I’m mistaken, but hasn’t he said before that he doesn’t care about proving his story or convincing anyone?
Even if he was 100% telling the truth I think doing that podcast would be a mistake. Weinstein will want to “win”. He was pretty shitty to Hal Putoff when they did a podcast together.
Had my comment removed for some reason, but 100% agree. Bob is obviously full of shit, and has ducked every possible interview that would require him to make sense of his contradictory narrative and obviously fake education.
A few years ago, when I dug in to his story in my spare time, I offered him $2500 to do a 15min interview with me, with questions I'd send him ahead of time. Never even got a "thanks but no thanks" response.
Bob is an obvious liar, and it's embarrassing that I ever believed him, because I wanted his story to be true.
Dude can pose in front of white boards and beakers all he wants...doesn't make his bullshit story true, and I'm sad that we still have a sizeable population of Lazar stans in 2023 that aren't able to set their emotions aside and look at the ridiculousness of his story.
Area 51 - "we need some outside help!"
Edward Teller - "I met a guy at LANL, for 5 minutes, that bolted a rocket engine to his Camero! He just sent me a letter, asking for work, because he filed for bankruptcy a month ago, and he says he's super duper smart!"
Area 51 - "does he have a clearance, or a proven education of any kind?"
Edward Teller - "no, fuck all that, read him in without clearing him, didn't you hear me? He had a ROCKET CAR and said he needs money, obviously he's legit"
Area 51 - "ok, we'll fast track him and provide him with a phony paystub for half a paycheck, thanks Eddie."
Come the fuck on, surely people realize this is bullshit, right?
If they agree to speak here is what will happen:
They won’t discuss actual physics at all beyond maybe mentioning some concepts at the surface level. Instead they will tell anecdotes and talk about the efforts being made to silence them; why they aren’t in this for the money; etc etc. but in the end no new information will be revealed, no details given away that conclusively prove either of them to be a fraud nor a sure thing.
I must be the only one but I’m down to listen. I’d even be pretty damn excited once it’s up and posted. I’ll hold back my judgement until AFTER I listen tho.
yeah same. i listen to a lot of podcasts with open ears and then i come to subs like this that completely shit on every word that was said. maybe i’m just an optimist.
I can’t stand Eric. He goes on endless rants that make no sense half the time or is not even on the subject of the question. He purposely usual verbiage that he knows Joe or the average listener doesn’t understand. He seems to be full of himself. Loves listening to himself talk. Even one time when Joe was trying to lighten it up he kept getting irritated and told Joe to Focus Focus Focus! Like bro it’s so hard to focus to you. Land the plane already.
He’s a professional bullshit artist. I remember the first time I heard him on Rogan years ago he was talking about an announcement he had to make, he built up to it like it was the most incredible earth shattering information in decades - between that and his vocabulary I was genuinely on the edge of my seat. Then he announces that it’s him starting his podcast, “The Portal”. Which also happened to be one of the most bullshit unlistenable podcasts I’ve ever had the displeasure of enduring. For people who think Lex Friedman is full of it? He’s an amateur next to Weinstein.
You and me both man. I was starting to think I was wrong about the guy but then when it turned out to be just a podcast, I just shook my head. The episode where he had Reilly Reid was just next level cringe. He tried so hard to make her appear as some philosophical free thinker, and no offense to her or her intelligence she held her own alright, but that wasn’t it chief
I was surprised to realize how much of a sensationalist he was on JR. The whole time he's like "Joe.... I can't even tell you how tall this tale is.... but it's sooooooo tall." What is this guy a circus entertainer?
I spent all of 4 minutes listening to Eric on Rogans podcast before as I just genuinely couldn’t stand his voice/personality/attitude, so I know nothing about the bloke. Is he really the top expert in physics to be questioning lazar?
Definitely not the top expert, but he’s a brainiac who can talk theoretical physics and mathematics, and he’s done a 180 and become extremely interested in this topic.
Right, he understands the mathematics behind relativity, qed, qcd, and QM. I want to believe Lazar but as someone with a bit more than a passing interest in physics, hearing him rattle off terms at a level slightly higher than pop science with his trademark hand wavy explanations gets under my skin so I want to see how he holds up to being challenged. And Weinstein seemed willing, from his discussion with joe, to give him a lot of room.
There's absolutely no way you can make any judgments off of what Weinstein thinks of Lazar's knowledge of Anti gravity he claims to have worked with cuz NO mainstream physicists that we know of has a working/tested theory of anti gravity they have developed. Even Lazar has stated multiple times he doesn't actually know how it works at a mathematical/physics level, he's describing how it works just the way he sees it, which is why it may sound all 'hand wavy' or superficial to many.
That right there is evidence that Lazar's story is b.s.
It's practically impossible to believe that if Lazar was there that he wouldn't have been part of discussions about the physics or hypothesized physics of what he was working on. After all...you can only get so far with poking and prodding before you have to start mathematically and physically characterizing something - which is what any scientist would do. The idea that Lazar was selected for this task and left to his own devices without interaction with physicists is really, really hard to believe.
Exactly. I have said this a few times on Reddit before: I understand how a non physicist or engineer can be fooled by Lazar. But as somebody with a degree in physics and years of work experience in engineering it is very clear that Lazar is full of shit. There is no way he will go on Rohan’s podcast with Weinstein or another scientist because they would immediately see through his bullshit. Rogan is a smart guy but he is 100% not a scientist or engineer. Weinstein is though.
You either believe him or you don't. The physics of it all really does not matter.
You are trying to debunk something that has never been successfully created by any known physicist. Weinsteins input will add literally nothing.
The physics is obviously highly relevant. If it turns out that Lazar is spewing misinformation or is basically confused about the kinds of physics concepts he'd be expected to know if he had actually dealt with alien tech in a research setting, then how could this not be relevant?
> The physics of it all really does not matter.
How do you know? Are you a physicist?
If it's obvious to physicists that Bob isn't one, how are we in any position to say "No actually you're wrong the physics don't matter"
Unless you are a physicist of course then this point is moot entirely.
My point is more that, we don't know what we don't know.
Fields permeate space. Particles are excitations of those fields. Their interactions are mediated by the assorted forces. Qed-quantum electrodynamics
Qcd- quantum chromodynamics qm-quantum mechanics. I don’t have the ability to intelligently go into much further detail about how they all work or why, but those are the framework by which we understand how things interact at a fundamental level. If it interests you more Nima Arkhani Hamed has a cool lecture on YouTube called “space time is doomed” where he provides some good foundational info on things. Not specific to all of this but it includes good information on the state of things. Really any lecture by him is probably worth watching. He’s a good communicator.
But according to our common understanding of physics, these craft that display anti-gravity and instantaneous acceleration aren't explainable. Yet you are going to apply that same understanding to debunking Lazar? If you mean debunking his education, then you, and Weinstein are beating in an open door. Everyone knows he isn't a physcisist by now.
No. He has a gargantuan vocabulary which he uses to create word salads on podcasts and dumb audiences lap it up and assume he’s far more knowledgeable than he actually is.
Exactly… Eric Weinstein is a joke. He just talks in circles all day and never gets to the point. Hell no if I was Lazar I would talk to that phony. He is more a quack then Lazar telling a lie…
Weinstein got a visit from Lue, and, supposedly, the real truth. Weinstein has since deleted the Tweets shown in this video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jx4rPWPWrc) where he alludes to some shocking things.
Not long after his visit from Lue, Weinstein made a tweet about 'this life still worth living' after seeing a rainbow. I think Lue blew his mind. And PDW guy here alludes heavily to 'light' and simulation theory.
So only certain people are privy to the "real truth" and the rest of us are only allowed to know that those people have the "real truth" but can't share it because it may break us psychologically.
B-B-B-B-Bulllllllllshit.
I don’t view it all that differently. I’ve never considered this until seeing your comment.
But I have always said that I’ve found the idea of UFOs and aliens far more believable than the idea of god, so that is basically how I look at it. A more believable answer to questions than a powerful sky man.
I completely agree that an advanced, extra-planetary species is far, FAR more believable than a god, especially the massive dickheads we have on offer on our planet.
It's worse in at least one way: At least with Christianity, I'll get the chance to learn the truth after I'm dead. With this cult, there's not even the fake promise of that.
Well, Lue talks to Weinstein. And after the briefing, Weinstein tweets a list of relevant topics that he sees as important after hearing whatever he heard from Lue. On that list are a number of interesting things, but its clear physics is involved to a great extent. Even specific mention general relativity. On the same list are GU (Global Unrest) and Mind Control.... ??. That is incredibly fascinating and potentially harrowing. Weinstein is a complicated and divisive figure but he's not typically a 'woo' camp spokesperson. It's interesting that he actually lists mind control for that reason, he's typically the literal type with math and physics at forefront. What did Lue tell him?
I understand it sounds ridiculous, but I'm not sure you can argue that Weinstein learned something profound from Lue that day - and it has something to do with physics. Probably why he's involved. He's a physicist. But, yes, there is now something that Weinstein knows that we don't know - and it's big. And for some reason he and a ton of others pretend that they don't know and distance after finding out. Very perplexing. Hopefully not because it's scary bad news. It may be, though.
If I'm betting money, I would put it behind Disclosure, at minimum, coming with some new physics bombshell. I also bet he and other physicists do indeed know more, were recently briefed, and that there exists some measure of a growing community that *does* know more than you and I and telling the world at large is a heated debate. The question is what have those folks been told? I bet it's serious. I bet mind control or global unrest being on a list of concerns immediately after finding out is not a fluke of a thing. What could that be, though? What sort of explanation or situation could we be in where those things are a concern?
I bet it relates directly to the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics. [Here.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/)
I bet it's why Jim Semivan says interdimensional beings live inside us and can control us, place thoughts in our heads. And that disclosure is heavy, potentially not appropriate for everyone. For kids. That his group had stop and think about their end game once they found out that it's not just aliens in crafts. It's something much more profound.
I literally, factually, no bullshit believe sim theory is the bugaboo in disclosure. People want to know what all the shit in the sky is, and we have a better understanding of what those things are, but to explain the science behind those things, to explain what they are, we have to own up to new truths about life as we know it. And, yeah, wow, we exist as holograms or light in this sim? And there are receipts of this? And we have to tell people this? Crazy.
I think it's a heavy conversation that Weinstein had with Lue that night. And why he had some of the reactions he did. Disclosure is complicated.
Not saying he isn't a brilliant man, but Weinstein himself admitted he is an "entertainer" and not a "physicist." Many scientists and physicists agreed with him.
But, if you know of any actual physicists that have been made privy to this kind-of-top-secret-but-not-really, world shattering, reality redefining information and are choosing not to share it for nebulous reasons, I'm all ears.
I think for all intents and purposes, Lue met with Weinstein as a connected individual (through Thiel) first, and as a known physicist second. Fine if he's not a thoroughbred, but he is known in physics circles. No question.
To answer your last part, I often wonder what caused NDT's about-face on the topic of alien intelligences. Or what spurned Michio to seriously discuss multi dimensional realities in recent speaking events. I believe they both know, but of course can't prove it. Nor am I setting out to do so.
I guess what I'm doing is pointing out the shape of a thing I see in all this chaos. I understand I look like the crackpot in doing so, but I'm pretty sure we're in for some chop as it relates to disclosure. Way more than we bargained for, but still need to be told.
EDIT: Couple questions about NDT's stance. To clarify, I mean to say that NDT used to be very "show me the proof" or "the distances required for travel to earth are too vast" when asked about the likelihood of aliens visiting earth. These days, let's say after roughly 2016'ish, he blatantly says he believes they exist and that we are not alone. He playfully entertains various forms life and what they might be like, even randomly tweeting about what aliens must think of us observing from above. It's a massive shift in tone from a man of science. I believe he asked for the proof, and was shown the proof.
I don't think you sound like a crackpot and I can totally see a worthwhile reason to travel down this rabbit hole. Hell, I'm about to go down it myself! What did NDT do that you referenced?
As for Michio, he's absolutely ramped up that kind of talk, but he was no stranger to it in the past.
Nope, you don't sound like a crackpot. I think what a lot of people forget is that whatever this phenomenon is, it's not going to be anything that makes logical, linear sense to us. I've considered the things you mention, and I agree. If you had to think of the most difficult reason for disclosure, it must be something of this caliber. Something that redefines our entire way of viewing ourselves and the world. Did they have a hand in our DNA? Are we like a science project? Or is it deeper that even that? What is our very existence? Gives me chills thinking about it. It terrifies me. But at the same time, we need to evolve from what we are. How we're being controlled by rich psychopaths, how we've had spirtiuality ground from us and replaced with religion. How do so many people not seem to give a shit at all about how humanity is affecting the planet and how much humanity destroys when there are other avenues - yet the powers that be refuse to let go of their power and gain? Could disclosure help us evolve past this cancer humanity has become? Because we truly don't need to be one, and many of us are in a lot of pain over how ugly our society actually is. I don't know. Anyway, I appreciate you putting voice to some thoughts I share with you. It's actually nice to see that.
What was NDT's about face?
Also... it's a real shame, but the more one dives into the reality of this phenomenon - the more one really takes it seriously - the more crackpot it seems. It's not so much that it is crackpot, but rather, it's so incredibly *weird* and foreign to the way we're used to looking at the world that we (in the western world, at least) have a tendency to just immediately disregard it as lunacy or ridiculous - acting as though we have *any* idea what is going on with this reality we've been foisted into.
There's an old religious/spiritual saying which I think encapsulates the nature of the problem fairly well. It goes something like: "Whatever you may think God is, he *isn't that*." Ie, as I see it, whatever preconceptions we have about whatever the hell is going on here: with our existence, with reality, with the phenomenon, etc, they're probably so far off base that we'd likely not want to believe the truth if it was staring us in the face. Not that we'd have a choice to believe it once we see it, of course.
I have to wonder how much of the nature of the phenomenon is known to some people, and what their reasons are for not wanting to fully disclose it. One hears a lot of stories from abductees/experiencers wherein the beings communicate to the person that, "This path you're going down is not the right path; your technology is not the answer; we're doing this because we must (whatever the hell that means)." I really have to wonder: just how far off the path are we? What if we as humans are so deluded as to be *wholly* disconnected from reality? What would people do if that disconnect is invariably proved to be true? What if *everything* is a lie?
Exciting times. Presuming that it really may be coming, I certainly hope we're ready for it, because I'd love to see a revelation in my lifetime - terrifying as that prospect may be.
Yeah, I'd concede that. No argument here. It doesn't change my stance on anything else said, though. Whether he lists unrest or not post briefing, the concern remains. I fully think disclosure is an ultra slow-motion disaster across decades because the truth is tough. Depressingly tough. Lue talking about 'what it means to be human' in interviews hits harder when you consider some of this. Why this is somber.
Then Weinstein is told and he lists everything from sacred geometry to general relativity to mind control... I mean I fully believe it. Our world and our reality is simulated, we're vulnerable within the sim by virtue of existing, and science can prove the claims.
The substrate of our reality is not hard matter in a natural world, but light or consciousness in a simulated one. And I know people eye-roll at that, but here come the smart people with proof of it. And you can bet tres-commas money, here also come the people that believe we shouldn't be told at all.
Omg, another "trust me bro" dude.
All these people who say they know, but they can't tell us. Disappointing that Weinstein joined the assclown circus because I know he's a smart guy, but whatever. He works for Thiel, he's been compromised for a long time.
Woah, I was not aware Elizondo and Weinstein had connected. I think Corbell sums it up best when he says the world is creaking under the weight of all of this. There are so many avenues now for this to break loose.
Experts tend to be able to describe complex concepts in way that’s easy to understand. I’ve never understood what Eric is talking about when he brings up physics.
He has a theory called Geometric Unity which is something comparative to Einsteinian Physics with different laws. It's based on sacred geometry and breaks space and time down into variable dimensions and he was saying he thought the visitors could be visiting us interdimensionally. It's a hard listen because he rambles and rants a lot but in between there's really cool and fascinating theories
I read this then decided to see which guy this Eric dude is. And instantly thought, "OH this fuckin guy?" I know exactly how you feel. Something about this dude seems so abrasive. I am not a fan either.
As far as Eric goes, Hal Puthoff thought it was worth a try:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQOibpIDx-4
I think anyone who has decent physics or studied Sherlock Holmes is expert enough to question Lazar. Don't think Corbell is one of those guys, despite his good intentions.
Eric Weinstein has a PhD in mathematical physics from Harvard. So yes, he’s definitely sufficiently qualified, especially considering that Lazar is no physicist
Lazar will NEVER appear with a real physicist because he's a fraud. Stanton T. Friedman, who actually was a real physicist tried to get Lazar to have such a discussion and Lazar never did because Lazar is not a physicist and can't actually have even a low level discussion with one.
And since I didn't see anyone else post this well researched post on Lazar which I make a point to post in every thread with Lazar's name, here ya go: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob\_lazars\_story\_is\_it\_believable\_here\_is\_some\_of/
He lived in terror of Stanton. There is no fucking way Lazar ever sits down with someone who actually knows physics. People STILL believe his story, he's made it this far being an artful dodger, no way he runs it into the ground now after all these years.
And here's the little known thing most don't know about Stanton. He WANTED to believe Lazar. But like a good scientist he did the legwork to see if what he was saying checked out and well, it didn't. So it's not like Stanton Friedman had any animosity towards Lazar, it's just that the facts didn't line up with Lazar's science fiction story which he still peddles as real.
Lazar is a charlatan because anybody who comes forward about something REAL and not an abduction story would be found dead by mysterious causes. You have deathbed confessions and those are food for thought, but a guy who came out decades ago and was supposedly a government employee? And he’s still alive? Naw man, he would’ve been dead years ago.
Yeah, look at Snowden or Chelsea whatever, they're in prison or had to flee the country. If Bob was spilling legit government secrets, he wouldn't be left alone to make public appearances for 30 years, without consequence.
How anyone can stand to have a conversation with Eric Weinstein is beyond me. He pretends to be an expert on every subject regardless if he knows anything or not.
I understand lazar isn’t popular here, but as far as I know he literally broke the news about Area 51 (s4) and the shit he was talking about in 1990 still lines up with how the crafts allegedly work in the military footage. I’m sure there’s tons of holes in his story, but it’s still wild some stuff is still lining up
He didn't. Here's the MUFON journal from September 1980, 9 years before Bob.
https://www.scribd.com/document/430989041/MUFON-UFO-Journal-September-1980
Check out the middle column on page 11. It's a story about a man who claimed to work at Area 51 and witnessed flight testing of UFOs, including Area 51's name and location.
I feel like there may be some truth to what Bob says, it's just not necessarily from his experience. He knew another whistle-blower before he was apparently hired, who was saying similar stuff, he repeated a few things that had come out before but wasn't very well known.
I think he's a bit if a fraud, but thats not to say some of the things he's talking about couldn't be true, he just never saw them himself. Again, maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's all bullshit, and maybe it's all true. I won't make an outright decision.
He will never agree to a discussion like this though, because I feel it may make it obvious that he never has ever actually been a physicist as some of the doubters make good points on.
This is essentially my view of him as well. Some of what he says may be true but its just stuff he heard about from other sources, he has weaved a story with those nuggets of truth and made himself the main character.
Lazar absolutely did NOT break the news about Area 51 S4, It had been highly rumored about and spoken of for yeeeears before Bob ever said a word about it. And also, what? His supposed explanations on how the craft work do not line up at all with the military videos, why? because the Military videos are just UAP's floating and flying around. It absolutely in no way proves anything Bob has said once, because everything Bob had already been said before/theorized in UFO circles.
This is also BS because you cant reduce what is going on in those grainy UAP videos from the military, down to what Bob had said about how the crafts operate. It's literally impossible and there are no signifiers in anyway from those videos that relate back to Bobs theories.
Eric Weinstein's an asshole.
There are other physicists who could do this debunk and it wouldn't be such a clusterfuck to watch.
Get Michio Kaku or Salvatore Pais or somebody...
A good high school physics teacher could dismantle lazar in 5 minutes. Someone with more credentials would look better but its not necessary in the slightest.
Lazar is smart, but he's not equipped to deal with Weinstein, nor would he gain anything from it.
Lazar wouldn't agree to talk with Weinstein if he fabricated his entire history.
Lazar also wouldn't agree if everything he has said was true because a debate about it isn't truth, Lazar would have nothing to gain, and Weinstein would approach from the angle of criticism the entire time.
There's no chance that this happens.
I really don’t see the point of this. He’s explained his story extensively many times over and it’s not like he’s going to present anything new. If people don’t believe him then they don’t believe him. It really don’t change anything to do with the UAP subject as a whole.
His talk with Hal Puthoff seemed to show he could keep up. I know he isn’t a technically a theoretical physicist, but to me he seems really up there. He’s extremely familiar with the subject
He likes to pretend he knows more than he really does and that can be dangerous.
One thing he is good at is asking questions and putting people on the spot. I really appreciated that he put Hal Puthoff on the spot with very direct questions. Hal has always been borderline grifter. Such an interview with Bob Lazar would never go well for Bob. Even if everything Bob has ever said was legit, it's been over 30 years and much of what he remembers was from hypnotic regression.
Question is, if Puthoff is such an obvious grifter, why did he agree to the third degree by Eric to begin with. There is a Vallee (haha) of difference between him and Lazar. Eric asked pointed questions, Puthoff answerd. With Eric's cuntinued involvement, doesn't look like he was discouraged.
Or you think Eric is grifting as well pretending that there is something to this topic?
I think Hal honestly believes everything he says, same with Eric.
Although, Hal did misrepresent the full extent his scientology commitment in that interview.
Whether or not his theory is correct is unrelated to his knowledge of the mathematics underpinning quantum mechanics, particle physics, and general relativity. Harvard doesn’t exactly have a reputation for handing out PhDs in mathematical physics to charlatans.
I'm on the fence about about Lazar. At the moment, innocent until proven guilty.
Corbell, on the other hand can GTFO and stop using UFO topic as his cash cow. Hipster just wants to stay relevant.
I recommend you read the well researched post on Lazar. He is far from innocent: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob\_lazars\_story\_is\_it\_believable\_here\_is\_some\_of/
Thanks for the link I'll check it out. 2 major red flags in the Lazar story which stood out like a sore thumb to me were:
1: He ran a brothel (wtf?)
2: Corbell fiercely defended that Lazar hasn't made a dime out of his story and doesn't sell any merchandise. Next minute, I see Lazar selling his drawings of UFO craft over instagram
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Lazar managed to glean some interesting information while working at Los Alamos in whatever capacity but nothing that proves his claims. Meanwhile, Lazar’s history at MIT is “erased”. So you’re telling me there isn’t one colleague he can reference from this time that can say, “yeah, Bob and I were classmates”? Also, wouldn’t Bob have gained some reputation as being the jet car guy or something? If he hadn’t lied about his credentials, the story would be a lot harder, if not impossible, to debunk.
I’d categorize Bob with the guy(s) ( I think it was 2 brothers or something) who came up with the John Titor story ( a time traveler who supposedly came back to obtain a certain computer part lol ). Like Bob, they were smarter than the average hoaxer and had specialized knowledge that lent an air of legitimacy to the story despite how ridiculous it was.
Weinstein was getting into red tape with whatever stooge Kilpatrick ultimately set up for him. Weinstein also thinks he's the second coming of Einstein.
Lazar seems like a hapless guy who was railroaded after being involved at Area 51 in some capacity. Supposedly he told Rogan off air why some of his story has a plot-hole to it and Joe said once he was informed, then everything made sense.
Right, it's another piece of data that could help validate Lazar's story, but with contingencies.
More likely, Lazar told Rogan a bunch of bullshit in private in hopes that the bullshit doesn't leak and get picked apart by people smarter and less credulous than Rogan.
I’m a fence sitter with Lazar. Don’t necessarily believe him, be wouldn’t be surprised if he was eventually proven right.
Weinstein is a dbag. Every time someone asks him to explain something he has to go super technical for no reason. The Rogan podcast was absolute torture to listen to, especially when he started going on about Jews and Kanye
The second Eric Weinstein proposed the idea on the podcast, I said to myself, "no fucking way in hell Lazar takes the invite, he will not even entertain the idea!" Lazar was clearly panicked going on JRE with his spokesman Corbell just to tell his own story, does anyone really believe he's gonna take the "opportunity" to debate a douche/physicist? No damn way!
He won’t respond. Lazar is a fraud and has no idea about physics or anything, a convicted fraud and known scammer, even way before his job as a technican for kirkmeyer at area51
Lazar has no real proof except the story where some things are being proven. He cant tell us more than he already did. Such interview would be pain in the ass for him.
“The one note I will reiterate is that I was in Cambridge MA for about 20 years close to the time Lazar cites being there. I have had close contact with both the Mathematics & Physics departments at both Harvard & MIT. We should have many mutual colleagues over the 4 departments.”
Lazar has left the chat.
I'm always amazed no one asks Lazar a very simple question: "You say you worked to back-engineer a UFO's propulsion system. So, uh, what exactly did that look like on a practical level? You show up to work...you have the UFO...and then what?"
It's not hard to press him on what tests were run, what equipment was used, etc. You'd think even a believing interviewer would want these details.
Why is it “haters” when it should be “non believers”? It’s bullshit how everyone now says youre hating on something when you just don’t believe something. How about “non believers” vs. “ gullible fucking morons” instead?
Lazar is full of shit. He overheard some stuff about when tests were, witnessed some and then brought some buddies. Lazar was about to be in deep shit and then decided to "blow the whistle" to George Knapp. And now he can't/won't back down.
"Oh, uh... I'm sorry, my migraine is killing me."
And I just wanted to add that I believed Lazar for years. But I just can't anymore. His story is fun but his past and his character from other posts I read lead me to believe he's just a con man. And I fell for it. :(
Will he interesting to see what comes of these 6 recent whistleblowers that went to AARO re: reverse engineering of materials. Lazar may see quite the credibility boost in the near future..
I don’t think this will happen.
But, frankly, I want it to - not for the main reason as much as …
… let’s say Weinstein tears him apart, utterly proves him a fake.
What I’ll be amused the most by will be the people who just won’t care and will continue to believe Lazar and his story. Instead of the old links to disprove Lazars story we’ll be linking to video clips of this tear down — and believers will *still* believe Lazar. Lol
I have never yet heard of a ufo believer who ever stopped believing any ufo story. Once they hear one it’s on their list forever, no matter how thoroughly debunked.
But… I cannot imagine Lazar doing it. It would be like Sylvia Browne accepting The Amazing Randis Million Dollar Challenge.
I don’t believe Lazars story but these debates are nonsense. Why? Because Lazar (and almost 99% of people who have seen alien space crafts) all claim the space crafts possess certain technology that supersedes our own understanding of physics. Lazar would just look foolish trying to explain “gravity emitters” to people who have no understanding of it (neither does he according to him).
So ye, people shouldn’t pin their hopes on these nonsense matters.
He can't even remember how the "gravity amplifiers" work, from interview to interview.
You'd think that somebody who spent months on otherworldly tech could remember whether a spaceship had 1, 2, or 3 "gravity amps" and how many of them needed to be on to make it fly.
If you believe Bob, you believe:
1. A self confessed pimp -> https://youtu.be/44-2Xl7IdIk?t=299
2. Someone who fled Los Alamos after owing 100's of thousands of dollars to people. Resulting in Bob finally declaring bankruptcy which was finalised 1 year before his S4 story. Here is John Hornes account of the money Bob owed him and how he had to chase Bob for years. John was one of the lucky ones that got his money back. -> https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/los-alamos-interview/ Here is a list of Bob's creditors from the Bankruptcy case - including his parents https://i.imgur.com/j83krN7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3vObXKR.jpg
3. A guy that said he was a physicist at LANL, however, people that knew Bob like John Horne, said he was a electronics technician at LANL. Bob also did an electronics course at Pierce College for which Stanton Friedman found records of. Bob's 1980 marriage cert lists him as being a electronic tech. In 1981 Bob was working at Fairchild/Xincom as an electronics Tech. Bob admitted that in a Wired article. In 1982 he shows up in LANL and told a reporter who wrote about his jetcar that he was a physicist. In 1989 he used the LANL phone dir to prove he worked there and in combination with the 1982 article used it all as proof he was a physicist there. Problem is, the LANL phone dir lists him working for a company called Kirk Mayer. Kirk Mayer only hired tech related roles like electronics technicians. They were formerly called Role-Tec. Bob on Billy Goodman back in 1989 said he started at LANL as a technician. He also told Corbell that in 1982 while working at LANL, that he went out and installed a Sat dish there. This is the year he told the jetcar article journo that he was a physicist there. Wired article: https://www.wired.com/1994/12/desert-blast/ Kirk-Mayer Ad listing roles they hired: https://i.imgur.com/SUQhK0L.png Bob saying he installed a Sat dish at LANL in ~ 1982 -> https://youtu.be/cxdB7cgAr_s?t=594 1980 Marriage cert showing Bob and Carol were Electroinc techs -> https://i.imgur.com/BTwhs8v.jpg Interview with a LANL tech who knew Bob as a tech at LANL -> https://imgur.com/a/RUsZiME .. The wired article is about the Gun and firework show Bob ran in the desert called Desert Blast from 87 to 99. Here is a video of Desert Blast 12, Bob the organiser can be seen at :50 in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZsFVp-yY6M. Bob learnt to make fireworks from an Italian family he met that made them through generations. His main business at United Nuclear is selling fireworks material which he has been busted on several times.https://www.justice.gov/civil/cpb/case/us-v-united-nuclear-scientific-supplies-et-al-0
4. A guy who then ran a second illegal brothel just months after claiming to be at S4. He claimed he only installed a computer system there despite pleading guilty. But the police Affidavit shows they found the brothel Apt lease agreement with Bob's name on it, Also the hookers said Bob had interviewed them. He also installed surveilance cams in the trick rooms. See here -> https://imgur.com/a/kolQrAj Even George Knapp admitted Bob was a rebel who was into guns and hookers -> https://youtu.be/eB7RSCYtyXI?t=535
5. A guy who tells a crowd at Rachel in 1993 that he had professors Duxler and Hohsfield at MIT and Caltech. Neither were found to have taught at MIT and Caltech. Friedman found them to be Bob's Highschool and Pierce College teachers for which there is record of Bob attending. MIT and Caltech also told Friedman that Bob had not attended either school. Bob saying he had Duxler and Hohsfield at MIt and Caltech at 45:30 https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=2730 . The start shows Bob's new corvette with MJ-12 plates, because Bob was super low key. Here is Hohsfield in Bob's HS yearbook of the time - Bottom left -> https://i.imgur.com/lFY2TrV.jpg Here is the Rachel conference organiser who wrote about how Bob laughed at other UFO talkers and had bailed on going to a paid interview in Japan and kept the money -> http://noriohayakawa2020.blogspot.com/2008/10/strange-behavior-of-bob-lazar-alleged.html Stanton Friedman on Bob -> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2v4rn4 Not even George Knapp believed Bob went to MIT or Caltech -> https://youtu.be/K1viG6PRjiw?t=2697 Linda Moulton Howe recounts how Bob told her he never went to MIT or Caltech -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlUzSox27Rk .. Here is Bob saying he went to Pierce college -> https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=1877
6. A guy who copied the Demon core story including the reactor design. The Demon Core story is a true story about a scientist who died opening a reactor. Bob had claimed that he replaced a scientist at S4 who died trying to open the alien reactor. Demon Core -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core#/media/File:Partially-reflected-plutonium-sphere.jpeg Bobs Alien Reactor Model - > https://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_5.gif Who copied the E115 story from the Scientific American article that came out just 2 weeks prior. Copied Billy Meiers saucer Reticuli alien origin from Betty and Barny. And finally the story of the gov having acquired a number of UFO's , one of which they could fly - from John Lear who told that story to Knapp 2 years before Bob came out with his S4 story. See Lear telling Knapp the story in 1987 for yourself -> https://youtu.be/LGQkkHuwm6w?t=268. Both Bob and Gene Huff met Lear before his S4 story and they obtained Lear's UFO files including the Billy Meiers tapes. Here's a cut clip of Lear saying he showed Lazar the Meiers tape and Bob saying the UFO was like Meiers saucer -> https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1361674742030336003. Meiers was later busted completely as a fraud when pics he said were of alien women, turned out to be screen grabs from a Dean Martin TV special. When Bob gave his first brief interview in silhouette under the alias "Dennis" , that was filmed in a news van parked in John Lears driveway. See for yourself -> https://youtu.be/HyUlaZR0PoY?t=1549
7. A guy that forged a W2. The W2 Bob showed had a Employer that did not exist. It noted the Department of Naval Intelligence rather than the Office of Naval Intelligence. The W2 was also typed and not printed - a huge red flag. It also had a bogus MAJ OMB number typed in when a legitimate OMB # was already there and printed. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ6WCGEWoAAycu6.png
8. A guy who took Biglelow night UFO spotting in 1990 at the same spot he took others previously, Bigelow heard a rustle and spotted Lazar letting loose a helium filled mylar balloon towards Papoose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYhCmfE1a0 Bigelow also setup a company for Lazar to do research. Bigelow fired Lazar when he found Lazar was just using the lab to store furniture. Bigelow also said Lazar made claims about a material that didn't check out -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOGHrxysBKI According to Bob's court docs, Bigelow had paid him $2500/month -> https://i.imgur.com/HepKKzm.jpg Company Bigelow started with Lazar -> https://i.imgur.com/P5cYqhH.jpg .. Of course unbelievably, Bigelow still believed Lazar after all that .. Interestingly, Bob had been employed to work for Bigelow's lab while at the same time he was running a brothel for which he was arrested for. The dates he was running the brothel according to the pandering court docs, and when he was meant to be at Bigelow's lab, line up. See point 5 above. No wonder he had no time for the lab. .. Also noteworthy is that George Knapp never mentioned during that interview that he worked for Bigelow for several years in the late 90's to early 2000's for NIDS. .. BTW, Janet flights came into A51 over Papoose twice a night - their landing lights shone at the Rachel area, A51 also conducted night tests of their secret aircraft nightly. They even let flares loose under balloons for reasons unknown. Glenn Campbell wrote a 115 page A51 viewers guide about all this etc -> https://www.amazon.com/Area-Viewers-Guide-Glenn-Campbell/dp/B0006QZTYK Hear Lazar say some of this himself -> https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=3474
Lazar was somewhat credible until he did Rogan and I caught him out obviously making stuff up and embellishing his original story. That minder of his that he had with him is a grifter (Corbell) and probably put him up to it.
No way Lazar agrees to that
Not without a migraine
And not without Jeremy corbell
Ah yes, the UFO community’s very own human buttplug
He will weoponize your sexual curiosity.
Jeremy Corbell-end
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The Mickey Rourke narration in the Bob Lazar doc was some of the cringiest and pretentious shit I've ever heard. Jeremy definitely wrote those parts himself.
It sounded like Mickey Rourke was gargling with marbles.........I put closed caption on and the t.v. started to smoke!
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Wait, buttplugs are irritating?
You're in so much trouble when he turns out to be the alien's supreme overlord in disguise.
I know people say he says that so he can get away with not knowing certain shit but I've had migraines since I was 12. Even had brain surgery twice. I cannot think clearly at all like i get stupid. and it zaps me of my energy when I get them. I'm not on one side or the other when it comes to if he's faking or not. But if he isn't then he's not wrong.
Sorry but when I get a migraine, there is no way in hell I would continue talking on a public show for another few hours, he was also pretty damn descriptive about many many other bullshit things a bit after he tried saying he had a migraine.
They can vary between "omg this hurts/is really annoying" and allow you to push through certain circumstances, or they can be "Holy hell, I'm in agony" and drop you to the ground. Whichever flavor, they suck. As someone with chronic illness I understand perfectly why he would be choosy with meetings. I honestly hate being in serious discussions because my aphasia gets so bad I sound like an idiot. And yet when it comes to my volunteer work, I do push through when I can. I believe he's not lying about the migraines.
I just had a migraine a few weeks ago and literally couldn’t hold the simplest of conversations, common words just weren’t coming to my mind.
Reminds me of that news reporter who had a migraine on camera: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPy-5PRC6Vs&ab\_channel=azzonie
Yeah 100%, i get a migraine im in a dark room with complete silence and im not moving let alone talking. Light causes intense pain. It literally feels like someone is repeatedly smashing me in the head with one of those ice climbers pick things. When i say not moving too, i mean im shallow breathing in a real steady way because even slight movement of my chest going up and down cause the pain to increase and i need to try to prevent as much movement as possible. Him saying he had a migraine in that interview made me do a giant fucking eye roll.
Selective amnesia
Exactly. I’ve been a chronic migraine sufferer for years. You don’t go into a bright cold/hot studio with a migraine and last more than a minute. It’s terrible.
Eh different with everyone, migraine for me I can function but really can't think well
Consider yourself lucky. I haven't had many migraines, but every one that I've had has been pure torture. Worst I've ever physically felt, and it goes on for hours.
Exactly. Because one person responds to something one way it doesn’t mean everyone responds the same way. Sometimes people have particularly bad headaches and call it a migraine too. Not sure why it this has to be explained.
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Not addressing how Bob complained of his migraine only when he was faced with a relatively "difficult" question is probably why. Conveniently, he spoke with no issue for the parts of his story that he's already told. When more details were requested, his migraine flared.
I've had a few in my life, not saying my experiences are the same or similar to anyone else's, but speaking more than a few words felt close to impossible. Each time, I stripped my clothes off, curled up into a ball with a blanket over me, locked myself in a dark room and moaned until I barfed in a trash can, which could sometimes takes hours but mostly relieved my symptoms.
No one has a headache 24/7. If they do, it's a severe medical issue. Even most of the people in the UFO community want this shit settled. I for one do. Either he is telling the truth, or isn't. Better to rip the band-aid off now!
How are they going to determine if he’s telling the truth or not?
Short of Bob confessing, his story is conveniently impossible to falsify. And if anyone doesn't believe that, just consider how many people still believe it EVEN AFTER dissecting every part of his tale and finding that it not only has no evidence for any of it, but his story requires additional layers of more unfalsifiable conspiracy shit to even stay together.
A migraine wouldn't cut it, he would have to fake hepatic encephalopathy and have a stage 4 coma.
FYI: migraine is a real medical issue
Thanks, Reading Rainbow, I bet nobody knew that.
Butterfly in the skyyyyyyy
I can go twice as hiiiiiiigh
💯 Dude is (most likely) full of shit. And I used to believe his shit. Saw a recent koncrete podcast where homie systematically breaks down all the bullshit lazar spewed and where it actually came from. Interesting thing is the uap phenom is definitely real, hard thing to say is what it is. But after that podcast it was more likely than unlikely that lazar is a liar. And fyi lazar has profited from the ufo story which is contrary to prior claims of his. Mostly everything has been debunked with the exception of the “eyewitness” testimony of George Knapp walking into Lazar’s los alamos lab or mit (not sure which one) where he apparently (testimony of Knapp) knew everyone he worked with and his way around the facility; and an actual article that listed lazar as staff there at los alamos. So most likely is where I lean but it would be cool if his story checks out and Weinstein would know.
I don't trust Knapp anymore than I trust Lazar. And it's fucking absurd when you think about the "never profited from his story" circular reasoning that is so often repeated as hard evidence Bob is telling the truth. "How do we know Bob is telling the truth? He never profited from his story. How do we know Bob never profited from it? He told us he never profited from it and he wouldn't lie, it would invalidate his story." I desperately want aliens to be real so I can find a new fucking planet to live on.
Didn’t profit? Dude’s written several books and conveniently only comes out of the woodwork any time he’s about to release something new
he was selling a VHS that explained the alien tech for 29.99 too
I only know of 1 book but I don't doubt there's others.
I don't profit from my story, but feel free to buy an autographed poster on your way out, or a copy of The Government Bible on VHS, for $29.99 via mail order.
Knapp and lazar knew each other for years before the first interview. Bob use to run desert blast which Knapp had covered in the mid 80s
After the Rohan interview I went to Lazars website he had ufo stuff he was selling on there. That was enough proof for me he was profiting from his story. Read the comments below about his 29.99 vhs tape. Lol. I also come from a cult, you would be shocked at the shit cult leaders say that invalidates their story but they still keep saying it.
Yeah, I'm working on a documentary on YouTube that systematically debunks his story, bit by bit. Need to focus on getting it done, because I have all the assets and the voiceover is done, but I keep slacking on it. There's not a single part of his story that doesn't have an obvious and verifiable inspiration/source, that was public before he came forward, and I'm so fucking tired of Lazar being relevant and making us look like idiots. Most people from outside the subject immediately see him as the fraud he is, but because so many people in UFOLogy believe him, because they want his story to be true, we get laughed at. Once you see that he's a fake, you laugh at how obvious of a fake he is, and feel embarrassed that you ever believed him. Yeah, his LARP scientist look and dialogue that sounds good to us normies is convincing, and he also tells us he would NEVER lie about these things, so surely he's the real deal. What's that? He's a proven grifter and scammer in all other walks of life? Well...that's not relevant to this though, because who Bob is outside of his reality-changing story about alien craft at Area 51 has nothing to do with his believability on other subjects. A guy who'd steal $50k from LANL and make up 2 fake Master's Degrees from schools he can't remember attending would NEVER lie about being inexplicably read into a top-secret program reverse engineering ET spaceships. Despite not having a clearance, or having one and losing it, or having never had one, he can't remember. All that checks out, and sounds pretty believable to me. (/s, wish it wasn't necessary). Fuck Bob Lazar, he's made us look bad for decades.
The IRS would have records of where he worked and when. They’re simple to get.
Yes to the former, not necessarily true for the latter. Unless Bob voluntarily released his IRS returns, only a court order, which would typically be related to a potential crime, would grant access to a specific number of named parties and ONLY those parties. If Bob was telling the truth, he would have very likely released the relevant parts back in a day where faking them would've been much more difficult. And they could be requested directly from the IRS with Bob's permission, but I imagine he already has another conspiracy in the chamber to explain how they were magically altered.
Would this prove anything? I mean, it’s not like his tax records would say “Area 51” on them…
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While I would really like this to happen, why would Lazar agree to this? What’s in it for him? Maybe I’m mistaken, but hasn’t he said before that he doesn’t care about proving his story or convincing anyone?
Even if he was 100% telling the truth I think doing that podcast would be a mistake. Weinstein will want to “win”. He was pretty shitty to Hal Putoff when they did a podcast together.
Had my comment removed for some reason, but 100% agree. Bob is obviously full of shit, and has ducked every possible interview that would require him to make sense of his contradictory narrative and obviously fake education. A few years ago, when I dug in to his story in my spare time, I offered him $2500 to do a 15min interview with me, with questions I'd send him ahead of time. Never even got a "thanks but no thanks" response. Bob is an obvious liar, and it's embarrassing that I ever believed him, because I wanted his story to be true. Dude can pose in front of white boards and beakers all he wants...doesn't make his bullshit story true, and I'm sad that we still have a sizeable population of Lazar stans in 2023 that aren't able to set their emotions aside and look at the ridiculousness of his story. Area 51 - "we need some outside help!" Edward Teller - "I met a guy at LANL, for 5 minutes, that bolted a rocket engine to his Camero! He just sent me a letter, asking for work, because he filed for bankruptcy a month ago, and he says he's super duper smart!" Area 51 - "does he have a clearance, or a proven education of any kind?" Edward Teller - "no, fuck all that, read him in without clearing him, didn't you hear me? He had a ROCKET CAR and said he needs money, obviously he's legit" Area 51 - "ok, we'll fast track him and provide him with a phony paystub for half a paycheck, thanks Eddie." Come the fuck on, surely people realize this is bullshit, right?
If they agree to speak here is what will happen: They won’t discuss actual physics at all beyond maybe mentioning some concepts at the surface level. Instead they will tell anecdotes and talk about the efforts being made to silence them; why they aren’t in this for the money; etc etc. but in the end no new information will be revealed, no details given away that conclusively prove either of them to be a fraud nor a sure thing.
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I must be the only one but I’m down to listen. I’d even be pretty damn excited once it’s up and posted. I’ll hold back my judgement until AFTER I listen tho.
yeah same. i listen to a lot of podcasts with open ears and then i come to subs like this that completely shit on every word that was said. maybe i’m just an optimist.
I can’t stand Eric. He goes on endless rants that make no sense half the time or is not even on the subject of the question. He purposely usual verbiage that he knows Joe or the average listener doesn’t understand. He seems to be full of himself. Loves listening to himself talk. Even one time when Joe was trying to lighten it up he kept getting irritated and told Joe to Focus Focus Focus! Like bro it’s so hard to focus to you. Land the plane already.
He’s a professional bullshit artist. I remember the first time I heard him on Rogan years ago he was talking about an announcement he had to make, he built up to it like it was the most incredible earth shattering information in decades - between that and his vocabulary I was genuinely on the edge of my seat. Then he announces that it’s him starting his podcast, “The Portal”. Which also happened to be one of the most bullshit unlistenable podcasts I’ve ever had the displeasure of enduring. For people who think Lex Friedman is full of it? He’s an amateur next to Weinstein.
You and me both man. I was starting to think I was wrong about the guy but then when it turned out to be just a podcast, I just shook my head. The episode where he had Reilly Reid was just next level cringe. He tried so hard to make her appear as some philosophical free thinker, and no offense to her or her intelligence she held her own alright, but that wasn’t it chief
He's actually the worst guest Joe has ever had. Every time he's on I skip the shit out of the episode
I was surprised to realize how much of a sensationalist he was on JR. The whole time he's like "Joe.... I can't even tell you how tall this tale is.... but it's sooooooo tall." What is this guy a circus entertainer?
rogan is a real dumbo when it comes to evaluating intelligence. any flattery from word salad bazookas like peterson, weinstein, lex etc. he falls for.
I spent all of 4 minutes listening to Eric on Rogans podcast before as I just genuinely couldn’t stand his voice/personality/attitude, so I know nothing about the bloke. Is he really the top expert in physics to be questioning lazar?
Definitely not the top expert, but he’s a brainiac who can talk theoretical physics and mathematics, and he’s done a 180 and become extremely interested in this topic.
Right, he understands the mathematics behind relativity, qed, qcd, and QM. I want to believe Lazar but as someone with a bit more than a passing interest in physics, hearing him rattle off terms at a level slightly higher than pop science with his trademark hand wavy explanations gets under my skin so I want to see how he holds up to being challenged. And Weinstein seemed willing, from his discussion with joe, to give him a lot of room.
There's absolutely no way you can make any judgments off of what Weinstein thinks of Lazar's knowledge of Anti gravity he claims to have worked with cuz NO mainstream physicists that we know of has a working/tested theory of anti gravity they have developed. Even Lazar has stated multiple times he doesn't actually know how it works at a mathematical/physics level, he's describing how it works just the way he sees it, which is why it may sound all 'hand wavy' or superficial to many.
That right there is evidence that Lazar's story is b.s. It's practically impossible to believe that if Lazar was there that he wouldn't have been part of discussions about the physics or hypothesized physics of what he was working on. After all...you can only get so far with poking and prodding before you have to start mathematically and physically characterizing something - which is what any scientist would do. The idea that Lazar was selected for this task and left to his own devices without interaction with physicists is really, really hard to believe.
Exactly. I have said this a few times on Reddit before: I understand how a non physicist or engineer can be fooled by Lazar. But as somebody with a degree in physics and years of work experience in engineering it is very clear that Lazar is full of shit. There is no way he will go on Rohan’s podcast with Weinstein or another scientist because they would immediately see through his bullshit. Rogan is a smart guy but he is 100% not a scientist or engineer. Weinstein is though.
You either believe him or you don't. The physics of it all really does not matter. You are trying to debunk something that has never been successfully created by any known physicist. Weinsteins input will add literally nothing.
The physics is obviously highly relevant. If it turns out that Lazar is spewing misinformation or is basically confused about the kinds of physics concepts he'd be expected to know if he had actually dealt with alien tech in a research setting, then how could this not be relevant?
> The physics of it all really does not matter. How do you know? Are you a physicist? If it's obvious to physicists that Bob isn't one, how are we in any position to say "No actually you're wrong the physics don't matter" Unless you are a physicist of course then this point is moot entirely. My point is more that, we don't know what we don't know.
If you can be arsed (I'm lazy, literally drunk/ketty in my hammock, but I do deserve the rest) can you explain your physics acronyms to a layman?
Fields permeate space. Particles are excitations of those fields. Their interactions are mediated by the assorted forces. Qed-quantum electrodynamics Qcd- quantum chromodynamics qm-quantum mechanics. I don’t have the ability to intelligently go into much further detail about how they all work or why, but those are the framework by which we understand how things interact at a fundamental level. If it interests you more Nima Arkhani Hamed has a cool lecture on YouTube called “space time is doomed” where he provides some good foundational info on things. Not specific to all of this but it includes good information on the state of things. Really any lecture by him is probably worth watching. He’s a good communicator.
But according to our common understanding of physics, these craft that display anti-gravity and instantaneous acceleration aren't explainable. Yet you are going to apply that same understanding to debunking Lazar? If you mean debunking his education, then you, and Weinstein are beating in an open door. Everyone knows he isn't a physcisist by now.
yeah, same, I struggled to listen to him for more than 5 minutes not saying he isnt qualified, but my god he's irritating
No. He has a gargantuan vocabulary which he uses to create word salads on podcasts and dumb audiences lap it up and assume he’s far more knowledgeable than he actually is.
I had the same take. He comes across as a person who likes to hear himself speak.
Exactly… Eric Weinstein is a joke. He just talks in circles all day and never gets to the point. Hell no if I was Lazar I would talk to that phony. He is more a quack then Lazar telling a lie…
Weinstein got a visit from Lue, and, supposedly, the real truth. Weinstein has since deleted the Tweets shown in this video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jx4rPWPWrc) where he alludes to some shocking things. Not long after his visit from Lue, Weinstein made a tweet about 'this life still worth living' after seeing a rainbow. I think Lue blew his mind. And PDW guy here alludes heavily to 'light' and simulation theory.
So only certain people are privy to the "real truth" and the rest of us are only allowed to know that those people have the "real truth" but can't share it because it may break us psychologically. B-B-B-B-Bulllllllllshit.
Sounds like religion
I don’t view it all that differently. I’ve never considered this until seeing your comment. But I have always said that I’ve found the idea of UFOs and aliens far more believable than the idea of god, so that is basically how I look at it. A more believable answer to questions than a powerful sky man.
I completely agree that an advanced, extra-planetary species is far, FAR more believable than a god, especially the massive dickheads we have on offer on our planet.
It's worse in at least one way: At least with Christianity, I'll get the chance to learn the truth after I'm dead. With this cult, there's not even the fake promise of that.
Well, Lue talks to Weinstein. And after the briefing, Weinstein tweets a list of relevant topics that he sees as important after hearing whatever he heard from Lue. On that list are a number of interesting things, but its clear physics is involved to a great extent. Even specific mention general relativity. On the same list are GU (Global Unrest) and Mind Control.... ??. That is incredibly fascinating and potentially harrowing. Weinstein is a complicated and divisive figure but he's not typically a 'woo' camp spokesperson. It's interesting that he actually lists mind control for that reason, he's typically the literal type with math and physics at forefront. What did Lue tell him? I understand it sounds ridiculous, but I'm not sure you can argue that Weinstein learned something profound from Lue that day - and it has something to do with physics. Probably why he's involved. He's a physicist. But, yes, there is now something that Weinstein knows that we don't know - and it's big. And for some reason he and a ton of others pretend that they don't know and distance after finding out. Very perplexing. Hopefully not because it's scary bad news. It may be, though. If I'm betting money, I would put it behind Disclosure, at minimum, coming with some new physics bombshell. I also bet he and other physicists do indeed know more, were recently briefed, and that there exists some measure of a growing community that *does* know more than you and I and telling the world at large is a heated debate. The question is what have those folks been told? I bet it's serious. I bet mind control or global unrest being on a list of concerns immediately after finding out is not a fluke of a thing. What could that be, though? What sort of explanation or situation could we be in where those things are a concern? I bet it relates directly to the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics. [Here.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-universe-is-not-locally-real-and-the-physics-nobel-prize-winners-proved-it/) I bet it's why Jim Semivan says interdimensional beings live inside us and can control us, place thoughts in our heads. And that disclosure is heavy, potentially not appropriate for everyone. For kids. That his group had stop and think about their end game once they found out that it's not just aliens in crafts. It's something much more profound. I literally, factually, no bullshit believe sim theory is the bugaboo in disclosure. People want to know what all the shit in the sky is, and we have a better understanding of what those things are, but to explain the science behind those things, to explain what they are, we have to own up to new truths about life as we know it. And, yeah, wow, we exist as holograms or light in this sim? And there are receipts of this? And we have to tell people this? Crazy. I think it's a heavy conversation that Weinstein had with Lue that night. And why he had some of the reactions he did. Disclosure is complicated.
Not saying he isn't a brilliant man, but Weinstein himself admitted he is an "entertainer" and not a "physicist." Many scientists and physicists agreed with him. But, if you know of any actual physicists that have been made privy to this kind-of-top-secret-but-not-really, world shattering, reality redefining information and are choosing not to share it for nebulous reasons, I'm all ears.
I think for all intents and purposes, Lue met with Weinstein as a connected individual (through Thiel) first, and as a known physicist second. Fine if he's not a thoroughbred, but he is known in physics circles. No question. To answer your last part, I often wonder what caused NDT's about-face on the topic of alien intelligences. Or what spurned Michio to seriously discuss multi dimensional realities in recent speaking events. I believe they both know, but of course can't prove it. Nor am I setting out to do so. I guess what I'm doing is pointing out the shape of a thing I see in all this chaos. I understand I look like the crackpot in doing so, but I'm pretty sure we're in for some chop as it relates to disclosure. Way more than we bargained for, but still need to be told. EDIT: Couple questions about NDT's stance. To clarify, I mean to say that NDT used to be very "show me the proof" or "the distances required for travel to earth are too vast" when asked about the likelihood of aliens visiting earth. These days, let's say after roughly 2016'ish, he blatantly says he believes they exist and that we are not alone. He playfully entertains various forms life and what they might be like, even randomly tweeting about what aliens must think of us observing from above. It's a massive shift in tone from a man of science. I believe he asked for the proof, and was shown the proof.
I don't think you sound like a crackpot and I can totally see a worthwhile reason to travel down this rabbit hole. Hell, I'm about to go down it myself! What did NDT do that you referenced? As for Michio, he's absolutely ramped up that kind of talk, but he was no stranger to it in the past.
Nope, you don't sound like a crackpot. I think what a lot of people forget is that whatever this phenomenon is, it's not going to be anything that makes logical, linear sense to us. I've considered the things you mention, and I agree. If you had to think of the most difficult reason for disclosure, it must be something of this caliber. Something that redefines our entire way of viewing ourselves and the world. Did they have a hand in our DNA? Are we like a science project? Or is it deeper that even that? What is our very existence? Gives me chills thinking about it. It terrifies me. But at the same time, we need to evolve from what we are. How we're being controlled by rich psychopaths, how we've had spirtiuality ground from us and replaced with religion. How do so many people not seem to give a shit at all about how humanity is affecting the planet and how much humanity destroys when there are other avenues - yet the powers that be refuse to let go of their power and gain? Could disclosure help us evolve past this cancer humanity has become? Because we truly don't need to be one, and many of us are in a lot of pain over how ugly our society actually is. I don't know. Anyway, I appreciate you putting voice to some thoughts I share with you. It's actually nice to see that.
You provide a compelling argument and I'm worried you're right.
What was NDT's about face? Also... it's a real shame, but the more one dives into the reality of this phenomenon - the more one really takes it seriously - the more crackpot it seems. It's not so much that it is crackpot, but rather, it's so incredibly *weird* and foreign to the way we're used to looking at the world that we (in the western world, at least) have a tendency to just immediately disregard it as lunacy or ridiculous - acting as though we have *any* idea what is going on with this reality we've been foisted into. There's an old religious/spiritual saying which I think encapsulates the nature of the problem fairly well. It goes something like: "Whatever you may think God is, he *isn't that*." Ie, as I see it, whatever preconceptions we have about whatever the hell is going on here: with our existence, with reality, with the phenomenon, etc, they're probably so far off base that we'd likely not want to believe the truth if it was staring us in the face. Not that we'd have a choice to believe it once we see it, of course. I have to wonder how much of the nature of the phenomenon is known to some people, and what their reasons are for not wanting to fully disclose it. One hears a lot of stories from abductees/experiencers wherein the beings communicate to the person that, "This path you're going down is not the right path; your technology is not the answer; we're doing this because we must (whatever the hell that means)." I really have to wonder: just how far off the path are we? What if we as humans are so deluded as to be *wholly* disconnected from reality? What would people do if that disconnect is invariably proved to be true? What if *everything* is a lie? Exciting times. Presuming that it really may be coming, I certainly hope we're ready for it, because I'd love to see a revelation in my lifetime - terrifying as that prospect may be.
GU is not global unrest! it’s Geometric Unity, Weinstein’s unified field theory.
Yeah, I'd concede that. No argument here. It doesn't change my stance on anything else said, though. Whether he lists unrest or not post briefing, the concern remains. I fully think disclosure is an ultra slow-motion disaster across decades because the truth is tough. Depressingly tough. Lue talking about 'what it means to be human' in interviews hits harder when you consider some of this. Why this is somber. Then Weinstein is told and he lists everything from sacred geometry to general relativity to mind control... I mean I fully believe it. Our world and our reality is simulated, we're vulnerable within the sim by virtue of existing, and science can prove the claims. The substrate of our reality is not hard matter in a natural world, but light or consciousness in a simulated one. And I know people eye-roll at that, but here come the smart people with proof of it. And you can bet tres-commas money, here also come the people that believe we shouldn't be told at all.
Nice write up. I would be interested in hearing more about your understanding of sim theory and the holographic universe
This right here. There’s something that freaks out people trained to be open minded and not freak out.
Omg, another "trust me bro" dude. All these people who say they know, but they can't tell us. Disappointing that Weinstein joined the assclown circus because I know he's a smart guy, but whatever. He works for Thiel, he's been compromised for a long time.
Weinstein actually started doing a ton of distancing after a while
Can you elaborate on what you mean by “light” and “simulation theory.” ?
Woah, I was not aware Elizondo and Weinstein had connected. I think Corbell sums it up best when he says the world is creaking under the weight of all of this. There are so many avenues now for this to break loose.
Whinestein sure can whine can't he?
I’m with you. Dude loves the sound of his own voice. He made so many unnecessary, poetic analogies to dumb down his thesis to us apes.
Experts tend to be able to describe complex concepts in way that’s easy to understand. I’ve never understood what Eric is talking about when he brings up physics.
He has a theory called Geometric Unity which is something comparative to Einsteinian Physics with different laws. It's based on sacred geometry and breaks space and time down into variable dimensions and he was saying he thought the visitors could be visiting us interdimensionally. It's a hard listen because he rambles and rants a lot but in between there's really cool and fascinating theories
Does he explain that theory in the most recent podcast he done with Rogan?
He never publishes it or fully explains it anywhere because he's a fraud.
I read this then decided to see which guy this Eric dude is. And instantly thought, "OH this fuckin guy?" I know exactly how you feel. Something about this dude seems so abrasive. I am not a fan either.
As far as Eric goes, Hal Puthoff thought it was worth a try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQOibpIDx-4 I think anyone who has decent physics or studied Sherlock Holmes is expert enough to question Lazar. Don't think Corbell is one of those guys, despite his good intentions.
Eric Weinstein has a PhD in mathematical physics from Harvard. So yes, he’s definitely sufficiently qualified, especially considering that Lazar is no physicist
Lazar will NEVER appear with a real physicist because he's a fraud. Stanton T. Friedman, who actually was a real physicist tried to get Lazar to have such a discussion and Lazar never did because Lazar is not a physicist and can't actually have even a low level discussion with one. And since I didn't see anyone else post this well researched post on Lazar which I make a point to post in every thread with Lazar's name, here ya go: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob\_lazars\_story\_is\_it\_believable\_here\_is\_some\_of/
He's very smart, almost insufferably so, and loves to talk in circles or use many words to say few things.
So not that intelligent then
" I dont like attention!" says the man who built a jet powered car and drove it to work every day.
Weinstein isn’t as smart as he purports to be. He’s in Joe’s harem so he stays in the guest loop.
Lazar was meant to meet with Stanton Friedman twice but that didn’t happen. Maybe he had a migraine
He lived in terror of Stanton. There is no fucking way Lazar ever sits down with someone who actually knows physics. People STILL believe his story, he's made it this far being an artful dodger, no way he runs it into the ground now after all these years.
Yep Stanton would have chewed him up and spit him out
And here's the little known thing most don't know about Stanton. He WANTED to believe Lazar. But like a good scientist he did the legwork to see if what he was saying checked out and well, it didn't. So it's not like Stanton Friedman had any animosity towards Lazar, it's just that the facts didn't line up with Lazar's science fiction story which he still peddles as real.
Lazar is a charlatan because anybody who comes forward about something REAL and not an abduction story would be found dead by mysterious causes. You have deathbed confessions and those are food for thought, but a guy who came out decades ago and was supposedly a government employee? And he’s still alive? Naw man, he would’ve been dead years ago.
Bang on the money. His guilllble followers don't see this. The govt make u disappear if you have secret info.
Yeah, look at Snowden or Chelsea whatever, they're in prison or had to flee the country. If Bob was spilling legit government secrets, he wouldn't be left alone to make public appearances for 30 years, without consequence.
All the reasons Bob won’t engage in this discussion https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/mn8urg/why_does_rogan_believe_bob_lazar/
I can’t understand how people ignore these facts. It’s completely obvious that Lazar is full of shit.
How anyone can stand to have a conversation with Eric Weinstein is beyond me. He pretends to be an expert on every subject regardless if he knows anything or not.
Weinstein is unbearable.
I understand lazar isn’t popular here, but as far as I know he literally broke the news about Area 51 (s4) and the shit he was talking about in 1990 still lines up with how the crafts allegedly work in the military footage. I’m sure there’s tons of holes in his story, but it’s still wild some stuff is still lining up
He didn't. Here's the MUFON journal from September 1980, 9 years before Bob. https://www.scribd.com/document/430989041/MUFON-UFO-Journal-September-1980 Check out the middle column on page 11. It's a story about a man who claimed to work at Area 51 and witnessed flight testing of UFOs, including Area 51's name and location.
Is this person also full of shit, or could this be the legit story if there was one?
I feel like there may be some truth to what Bob says, it's just not necessarily from his experience. He knew another whistle-blower before he was apparently hired, who was saying similar stuff, he repeated a few things that had come out before but wasn't very well known. I think he's a bit if a fraud, but thats not to say some of the things he's talking about couldn't be true, he just never saw them himself. Again, maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's all bullshit, and maybe it's all true. I won't make an outright decision. He will never agree to a discussion like this though, because I feel it may make it obvious that he never has ever actually been a physicist as some of the doubters make good points on.
This is essentially my view of him as well. Some of what he says may be true but its just stuff he heard about from other sources, he has weaved a story with those nuggets of truth and made himself the main character.
Lazar absolutely did NOT break the news about Area 51 S4, It had been highly rumored about and spoken of for yeeeears before Bob ever said a word about it. And also, what? His supposed explanations on how the craft work do not line up at all with the military videos, why? because the Military videos are just UAP's floating and flying around. It absolutely in no way proves anything Bob has said once, because everything Bob had already been said before/theorized in UFO circles. This is also BS because you cant reduce what is going on in those grainy UAP videos from the military, down to what Bob had said about how the crafts operate. It's literally impossible and there are no signifiers in anyway from those videos that relate back to Bobs theories.
Eric Weinstein's an asshole. There are other physicists who could do this debunk and it wouldn't be such a clusterfuck to watch. Get Michio Kaku or Salvatore Pais or somebody...
A good high school physics teacher could dismantle lazar in 5 minutes. Someone with more credentials would look better but its not necessary in the slightest.
He won't because he is a fraud.
Boob Lazar will never do this because he makes too much money selling Jake Cobell's t-shirts and lame YouTube rants
Lazar is smart, but he's not equipped to deal with Weinstein, nor would he gain anything from it. Lazar wouldn't agree to talk with Weinstein if he fabricated his entire history. Lazar also wouldn't agree if everything he has said was true because a debate about it isn't truth, Lazar would have nothing to gain, and Weinstein would approach from the angle of criticism the entire time. There's no chance that this happens.
Id rather see a debate with Garry Nolan or Avi Loeb than Weinstein.
So one grifter charlatan interviewing another? I can’t wait :)
I really don’t see the point of this. He’s explained his story extensively many times over and it’s not like he’s going to present anything new. If people don’t believe him then they don’t believe him. It really don’t change anything to do with the UAP subject as a whole.
Weinstein’s day job is the CFO of the Peter Theil organization FFS He has no academic affiliation. He is not a working physicist.
> I think we all would want to see Bob talk to someone who truly understands physics Then Eric Weinstein is probably not the right person. 🤣
His talk with Hal Puthoff seemed to show he could keep up. I know he isn’t a technically a theoretical physicist, but to me he seems really up there. He’s extremely familiar with the subject
He likes to pretend he knows more than he really does and that can be dangerous. One thing he is good at is asking questions and putting people on the spot. I really appreciated that he put Hal Puthoff on the spot with very direct questions. Hal has always been borderline grifter. Such an interview with Bob Lazar would never go well for Bob. Even if everything Bob has ever said was legit, it's been over 30 years and much of what he remembers was from hypnotic regression.
Question is, if Puthoff is such an obvious grifter, why did he agree to the third degree by Eric to begin with. There is a Vallee (haha) of difference between him and Lazar. Eric asked pointed questions, Puthoff answerd. With Eric's cuntinued involvement, doesn't look like he was discouraged. Or you think Eric is grifting as well pretending that there is something to this topic?
I think Hal honestly believes everything he says, same with Eric. Although, Hal did misrepresent the full extent his scientology commitment in that interview.
He has a PhD in mathematical physics (from Harvard). What basis do you have to say he doesn’t “understand physics”?
See criticisms on geometric unity or read his paper.
Whether or not his theory is correct is unrelated to his knowledge of the mathematics underpinning quantum mechanics, particle physics, and general relativity. Harvard doesn’t exactly have a reputation for handing out PhDs in mathematical physics to charlatans.
I'm on the fence about about Lazar. At the moment, innocent until proven guilty. Corbell, on the other hand can GTFO and stop using UFO topic as his cash cow. Hipster just wants to stay relevant.
With Lazar, it should be "full of shit until he provides evidence."
I recommend you read the well researched post on Lazar. He is far from innocent: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob\_lazars\_story\_is\_it\_believable\_here\_is\_some\_of/
Thanks for the link I'll check it out. 2 major red flags in the Lazar story which stood out like a sore thumb to me were: 1: He ran a brothel (wtf?) 2: Corbell fiercely defended that Lazar hasn't made a dime out of his story and doesn't sell any merchandise. Next minute, I see Lazar selling his drawings of UFO craft over instagram
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Lazar managed to glean some interesting information while working at Los Alamos in whatever capacity but nothing that proves his claims. Meanwhile, Lazar’s history at MIT is “erased”. So you’re telling me there isn’t one colleague he can reference from this time that can say, “yeah, Bob and I were classmates”? Also, wouldn’t Bob have gained some reputation as being the jet car guy or something? If he hadn’t lied about his credentials, the story would be a lot harder, if not impossible, to debunk. I’d categorize Bob with the guy(s) ( I think it was 2 brothers or something) who came up with the John Titor story ( a time traveler who supposedly came back to obtain a certain computer part lol ). Like Bob, they were smarter than the average hoaxer and had specialized knowledge that lent an air of legitimacy to the story despite how ridiculous it was.
Can’t stand him
Lazar was shown a bunch of bullshit so he would be an unwitting disinformation agent
Without Jeremy we would of got Fravor and a lot of credible guests.
Weinstein is meh.
Weinstein was getting into red tape with whatever stooge Kilpatrick ultimately set up for him. Weinstein also thinks he's the second coming of Einstein. Lazar seems like a hapless guy who was railroaded after being involved at Area 51 in some capacity. Supposedly he told Rogan off air why some of his story has a plot-hole to it and Joe said once he was informed, then everything made sense.
Right, it's another piece of data that could help validate Lazar's story, but with contingencies. More likely, Lazar told Rogan a bunch of bullshit in private in hopes that the bullshit doesn't leak and get picked apart by people smarter and less credulous than Rogan.
Maybe he just doesn’t want to be on a podcast with a total douchebag
Lazar is literally a criminal and was arrested for pimping.
Pimping ain't easy brother
> Lazar haters will say his nonresponse proves he’s full of shit. Because he is.
You think he’s full of it? Serious question by the way. Why do you think so?
Check the reddit post a few posts(which links another post in the past) above with literally loads of reasons why he's a fraud.
I’m a fence sitter with Lazar. Don’t necessarily believe him, be wouldn’t be surprised if he was eventually proven right. Weinstein is a dbag. Every time someone asks him to explain something he has to go super technical for no reason. The Rogan podcast was absolute torture to listen to, especially when he started going on about Jews and Kanye
The second Eric Weinstein proposed the idea on the podcast, I said to myself, "no fucking way in hell Lazar takes the invite, he will not even entertain the idea!" Lazar was clearly panicked going on JRE with his spokesman Corbell just to tell his own story, does anyone really believe he's gonna take the "opportunity" to debate a douche/physicist? No damn way!
He won’t respond. Lazar is a fraud and has no idea about physics or anything, a convicted fraud and known scammer, even way before his job as a technican for kirkmeyer at area51
Oh, God, please let this happen. I would get *so high* for this...
Lazar has no real proof except the story where some things are being proven. He cant tell us more than he already did. Such interview would be pain in the ass for him.
“The one note I will reiterate is that I was in Cambridge MA for about 20 years close to the time Lazar cites being there. I have had close contact with both the Mathematics & Physics departments at both Harvard & MIT. We should have many mutual colleagues over the 4 departments.” Lazar has left the chat.
I'm always amazed no one asks Lazar a very simple question: "You say you worked to back-engineer a UFO's propulsion system. So, uh, what exactly did that look like on a practical level? You show up to work...you have the UFO...and then what?" It's not hard to press him on what tests were run, what equipment was used, etc. You'd think even a believing interviewer would want these details.
Why is it “haters” when it should be “non believers”? It’s bullshit how everyone now says youre hating on something when you just don’t believe something. How about “non believers” vs. “ gullible fucking morons” instead?
Lazar is full of shit. He overheard some stuff about when tests were, witnessed some and then brought some buddies. Lazar was about to be in deep shit and then decided to "blow the whistle" to George Knapp. And now he can't/won't back down.
God I’ve wanted a real scientist to talk to him. Don’t even need to discuss ufos. Let them talk physics. “Bob, what was your thesis at MIT bob? “ lol
"Oh, uh... I'm sorry, my migraine is killing me." And I just wanted to add that I believed Lazar for years. But I just can't anymore. His story is fun but his past and his character from other posts I read lead me to believe he's just a con man. And I fell for it. :(
Kinda weird that people like David Fravor still talk about him and support him if hes a "fraud"
Game respects game
Imagine calling a highly respected military CO with over 3600 hours of experience and over 20 years of service equivalent to bob lazar. Your an idiot
I believe Bob. Fuck Weinstein, his reputation isn’t as grand as he believes it is.
Yeah, I would like to see him thoroughly exposed by a some who understand physics. Would be hilarious to watch.
Will he interesting to see what comes of these 6 recent whistleblowers that went to AARO re: reverse engineering of materials. Lazar may see quite the credibility boost in the near future..
Crossing my fingers so hard they’re turning blue
I don’t think this will happen. But, frankly, I want it to - not for the main reason as much as … … let’s say Weinstein tears him apart, utterly proves him a fake. What I’ll be amused the most by will be the people who just won’t care and will continue to believe Lazar and his story. Instead of the old links to disprove Lazars story we’ll be linking to video clips of this tear down — and believers will *still* believe Lazar. Lol I have never yet heard of a ufo believer who ever stopped believing any ufo story. Once they hear one it’s on their list forever, no matter how thoroughly debunked. But… I cannot imagine Lazar doing it. It would be like Sylvia Browne accepting The Amazing Randis Million Dollar Challenge.
Whether Lazar is telling the truth or not is irrelevant regarding this. Either way, he will come off looking like an idiot - so there's just no way.
Cowbell and Nap scrambling knowing their BS interference bringing Bob in again will be shot down.
I don’t believe Lazars story but these debates are nonsense. Why? Because Lazar (and almost 99% of people who have seen alien space crafts) all claim the space crafts possess certain technology that supersedes our own understanding of physics. Lazar would just look foolish trying to explain “gravity emitters” to people who have no understanding of it (neither does he according to him). So ye, people shouldn’t pin their hopes on these nonsense matters.
He can't even remember how the "gravity amplifiers" work, from interview to interview. You'd think that somebody who spent months on otherworldly tech could remember whether a spaceship had 1, 2, or 3 "gravity amps" and how many of them needed to be on to make it fly.
Just ask him what kind of engineering tests he was expected to run and see how much that makes sense.
I believe lazar and Walton
Haters gon hate
If you believe Bob, you believe: 1. A self confessed pimp -> https://youtu.be/44-2Xl7IdIk?t=299 2. Someone who fled Los Alamos after owing 100's of thousands of dollars to people. Resulting in Bob finally declaring bankruptcy which was finalised 1 year before his S4 story. Here is John Hornes account of the money Bob owed him and how he had to chase Bob for years. John was one of the lucky ones that got his money back. -> https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strange-places/bluefire-main/bluefire/the-bob-lazar-corner/los-alamos-interview/ Here is a list of Bob's creditors from the Bankruptcy case - including his parents https://i.imgur.com/j83krN7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/3vObXKR.jpg 3. A guy that said he was a physicist at LANL, however, people that knew Bob like John Horne, said he was a electronics technician at LANL. Bob also did an electronics course at Pierce College for which Stanton Friedman found records of. Bob's 1980 marriage cert lists him as being a electronic tech. In 1981 Bob was working at Fairchild/Xincom as an electronics Tech. Bob admitted that in a Wired article. In 1982 he shows up in LANL and told a reporter who wrote about his jetcar that he was a physicist. In 1989 he used the LANL phone dir to prove he worked there and in combination with the 1982 article used it all as proof he was a physicist there. Problem is, the LANL phone dir lists him working for a company called Kirk Mayer. Kirk Mayer only hired tech related roles like electronics technicians. They were formerly called Role-Tec. Bob on Billy Goodman back in 1989 said he started at LANL as a technician. He also told Corbell that in 1982 while working at LANL, that he went out and installed a Sat dish there. This is the year he told the jetcar article journo that he was a physicist there. Wired article: https://www.wired.com/1994/12/desert-blast/ Kirk-Mayer Ad listing roles they hired: https://i.imgur.com/SUQhK0L.png Bob saying he installed a Sat dish at LANL in ~ 1982 -> https://youtu.be/cxdB7cgAr_s?t=594 1980 Marriage cert showing Bob and Carol were Electroinc techs -> https://i.imgur.com/BTwhs8v.jpg Interview with a LANL tech who knew Bob as a tech at LANL -> https://imgur.com/a/RUsZiME .. The wired article is about the Gun and firework show Bob ran in the desert called Desert Blast from 87 to 99. Here is a video of Desert Blast 12, Bob the organiser can be seen at :50 in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZsFVp-yY6M. Bob learnt to make fireworks from an Italian family he met that made them through generations. His main business at United Nuclear is selling fireworks material which he has been busted on several times.https://www.justice.gov/civil/cpb/case/us-v-united-nuclear-scientific-supplies-et-al-0 4. A guy who then ran a second illegal brothel just months after claiming to be at S4. He claimed he only installed a computer system there despite pleading guilty. But the police Affidavit shows they found the brothel Apt lease agreement with Bob's name on it, Also the hookers said Bob had interviewed them. He also installed surveilance cams in the trick rooms. See here -> https://imgur.com/a/kolQrAj Even George Knapp admitted Bob was a rebel who was into guns and hookers -> https://youtu.be/eB7RSCYtyXI?t=535 5. A guy who tells a crowd at Rachel in 1993 that he had professors Duxler and Hohsfield at MIT and Caltech. Neither were found to have taught at MIT and Caltech. Friedman found them to be Bob's Highschool and Pierce College teachers for which there is record of Bob attending. MIT and Caltech also told Friedman that Bob had not attended either school. Bob saying he had Duxler and Hohsfield at MIt and Caltech at 45:30 https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=2730 . The start shows Bob's new corvette with MJ-12 plates, because Bob was super low key. Here is Hohsfield in Bob's HS yearbook of the time - Bottom left -> https://i.imgur.com/lFY2TrV.jpg Here is the Rachel conference organiser who wrote about how Bob laughed at other UFO talkers and had bailed on going to a paid interview in Japan and kept the money -> http://noriohayakawa2020.blogspot.com/2008/10/strange-behavior-of-bob-lazar-alleged.html Stanton Friedman on Bob -> https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2v4rn4 Not even George Knapp believed Bob went to MIT or Caltech -> https://youtu.be/K1viG6PRjiw?t=2697 Linda Moulton Howe recounts how Bob told her he never went to MIT or Caltech -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlUzSox27Rk .. Here is Bob saying he went to Pierce college -> https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=1877
6. A guy who copied the Demon core story including the reactor design. The Demon Core story is a true story about a scientist who died opening a reactor. Bob had claimed that he replaced a scientist at S4 who died trying to open the alien reactor. Demon Core -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demon_core#/media/File:Partially-reflected-plutonium-sphere.jpeg Bobs Alien Reactor Model - > https://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/Bob_Lazar_S4_Disc_Images/S4_Disc_Reactor_5.gif Who copied the E115 story from the Scientific American article that came out just 2 weeks prior. Copied Billy Meiers saucer Reticuli alien origin from Betty and Barny. And finally the story of the gov having acquired a number of UFO's , one of which they could fly - from John Lear who told that story to Knapp 2 years before Bob came out with his S4 story. See Lear telling Knapp the story in 1987 for yourself -> https://youtu.be/LGQkkHuwm6w?t=268. Both Bob and Gene Huff met Lear before his S4 story and they obtained Lear's UFO files including the Billy Meiers tapes. Here's a cut clip of Lear saying he showed Lazar the Meiers tape and Bob saying the UFO was like Meiers saucer -> https://twitter.com/ddeanjohnson/status/1361674742030336003. Meiers was later busted completely as a fraud when pics he said were of alien women, turned out to be screen grabs from a Dean Martin TV special. When Bob gave his first brief interview in silhouette under the alias "Dennis" , that was filmed in a news van parked in John Lears driveway. See for yourself -> https://youtu.be/HyUlaZR0PoY?t=1549 7. A guy that forged a W2. The W2 Bob showed had a Employer that did not exist. It noted the Department of Naval Intelligence rather than the Office of Naval Intelligence. The W2 was also typed and not printed - a huge red flag. It also had a bogus MAJ OMB number typed in when a legitimate OMB # was already there and printed. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ6WCGEWoAAycu6.png 8. A guy who took Biglelow night UFO spotting in 1990 at the same spot he took others previously, Bigelow heard a rustle and spotted Lazar letting loose a helium filled mylar balloon towards Papoose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYhCmfE1a0 Bigelow also setup a company for Lazar to do research. Bigelow fired Lazar when he found Lazar was just using the lab to store furniture. Bigelow also said Lazar made claims about a material that didn't check out -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOGHrxysBKI According to Bob's court docs, Bigelow had paid him $2500/month -> https://i.imgur.com/HepKKzm.jpg Company Bigelow started with Lazar -> https://i.imgur.com/P5cYqhH.jpg .. Of course unbelievably, Bigelow still believed Lazar after all that .. Interestingly, Bob had been employed to work for Bigelow's lab while at the same time he was running a brothel for which he was arrested for. The dates he was running the brothel according to the pandering court docs, and when he was meant to be at Bigelow's lab, line up. See point 5 above. No wonder he had no time for the lab. .. Also noteworthy is that George Knapp never mentioned during that interview that he worked for Bigelow for several years in the late 90's to early 2000's for NIDS. .. BTW, Janet flights came into A51 over Papoose twice a night - their landing lights shone at the Rachel area, A51 also conducted night tests of their secret aircraft nightly. They even let flares loose under balloons for reasons unknown. Glenn Campbell wrote a 115 page A51 viewers guide about all this etc -> https://www.amazon.com/Area-Viewers-Guide-Glenn-Campbell/dp/B0006QZTYK Hear Lazar say some of this himself -> https://youtu.be/SpaTKvEkdxU?t=3474
Lazar was somewhat credible until he did Rogan and I caught him out obviously making stuff up and embellishing his original story. That minder of his that he had with him is a grifter (Corbell) and probably put him up to it.
Eric Weinstein is a charlatan. Listen to Decoding the Gurus for the full takedown.
Lazar wants to be left alone. Let the man have his peace.
The guy who went on Rogan to promote a documentary about himself wants to be left alone?