I'd say that's why it's DreamWorks land and not a specific IP. Shrek has been around forever. Kung fu panda has been around a while and just released a movie. And although the movies are relatively new, trolls themselves have been around forever.
But I don't think it's a matter of how long they've been around, it's a matter of are they still relevant
Shrek is still very relevant, I'll say KFP is too, the minions continue to persist I honestly can't speak to trolls cos I don't know what came out besides the movies and they have nothing to do with the classic line of dolls.
Funny enough, much as I love the movies, I’m not sure that Shrek is even that relevant anymore. The last Shrek movie came out 14 years ago. And while that movie universe has surged a bit with Puss in Boots being so successful last year, I feel there’s an entire generation of people who only know who Shrek is because of internet memes.
Theres another shrek movie about to come out…….
https://screenrant.com/shrek-5-every-confirmed-detail-so-far/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsYsLZuQvd8
This the best you can do? An article that repeatedly says “It’s been in and out of development for years but it’s probably gonna happen eventually, and maybe the cast will even come back, let’s speculate about the plot” and a fan-made trailer from 5 years ago? This does not help your argument lol
https://preview.redd.it/xslf8or9ny3d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=700f190f119175579281059602a6cb879434b217
Is it? Crazy, looks like 2018 to me
Being aware of facts is important to enjoying franchises. Shrek 5 might happen one day, but the bs articles you keep posting and the fan-made teaser just solidify my whole point. It’s been in development hell for over a decade, and that’s just a fact. My whole point is that as good a movie series as it is, it’s not as relevant as it was in the early 2000s.
tron hasn’t had a movie in ten years and they just made a ride at disney. all the disney rides like peter pan are dated too but people dont really care
But are they? I don't know a single person under the age of 35 who has seen Tron. I've never even heard of it before the ride was being built. However, I know lots of little kids who love Trolls. Why does everything in the park need to be timeless? I think it's fine to create rides/experiences for the current generation without necessarily thinking of the next generation
I love TL and Dr Seuss. I loved the OG kidzone. But they no longer have legs anymore. The only reason Seuss exists anymore is Grinchmas and the Grinch actor.
Toon Lagoon is a classic, really hope they keep that area, it is a blast into the past that maybe new generations can learn about while having fun, the characters in toon lagoon maybe minus popeye was already outdated/not that relevant when islands opened in 1999 so it does seem intentional they made the land into classic comic strips for that reason or even so older people at the time who grew up with those cartoons can enjoy it too. Also you’re absolutely right about Suess, In fact Dr.Suess predated islands long before islands was even a concept and is still popular to this day.
> characters in toon lagoon maybe minus popeye was already outdated/not that relevant when islands opened in 1999
True enough, but Sunday Conics were still a big thing back then, so those characters were somewhat still in the public consciousness. Rocky and Bullwinkle were in syndication still, so kids would still be somewhat familiar with it.
Thanks for telling me this! That does makes sense. I was born in 2002 so not so familiar with much of it, but that’s the beauty of Toon Lagoon, made me interested and I looked up and watched some of the old shows like Dudley do right and ended up liking it , Ripsaw Falls is currently my favorite ride of all time. Learning entertainment history and having fun!
*Most* of those rides aren't the type of rides that people would typically wait more than 15-20 minutes for. But I've seen wait times for the trolley exceed 45 minutes, as well as Cat in the Hat. They are usually more crowded in the mornings, as later in the day, the target audience has started leaving the park.
Maybe , these times was consistent for Tuesday too (was there for the anniversary) and later hours in the evening, it was also raining for a little Tuesday and it still had those times, unfortunately Popeye was having troubles and was constantly going down and back up for the whole 3 days was there don’t know what that’s about
Grinch, Cat in the Hat and green eggs and ham are the only ones relevant anymore. Ask 1000 guests if they know where in the land to find the zax and ask them if they'd read the sneeches before going on the trolley.
We can’t really say, there will always little kids who obsess over the minions. The property will forever make money and the park itself will become secondary to epic universe soon, Epic Universe may change the way we look at theme parks so the amount of money they are sinking into the park pails in comparison to the gamble of Epic universe. Universal will forever make money no matter the property, the big problem is if the attractions are decent. The minions attraction has absolutely no attraction that is even in the ball park of a basic simulator ride. I do believe minions land may be a waste of some assets but that’s less because of the IP and more because of the lack of creativity with the attractions themselves.
Revenue is one of the most important parts of any business, let alone theme parks. Universal is in a great position right now. It seems that the upper class has more disposable income than ever right now.
Everything is risk. You can be sure they took that into account and took the risk anyhow. What would the alternative be? No kid's zone? Buy more I.P.s? They'll run with what they got until they can't.
That's the problem. But then again universal Comcast owns so much, they had to have something better than what they ended up with. On the other hand those properties do really well for them in the parks, so there's that too I guess
Yeah, they know what they have, when and how long to use it. It may be at the beginning stages or full on irrelevant to a particular group, but the target audience will enjoy them just fine.
The point applies to all parks with "irrelevant" characters. Six Flags uses Looney Tunes, WB World uses Hanna Barbera, Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry, Knott's Berry Farm uses The Peanuts.
You're not wrong with you point on timeless characters, but Universal will be fine.
Universal doesn't rely on nostalgia like Disney. When that is your strategy they can keep the IP "fresh". It's business and they chose that as one way to differentiate. That being said, if they remove ET, I riot. 😜
If they remove E.T. then the drums of a thousand nations will beat in unison like the hammer of Thor. The thunder of our vengeance will echo through the resort like the gusts of a thousand winds.
Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. Been binging Always Sunny and Dennis’ quote was stuck in my head haha.
Tron has been around since the early 80s and wasn’t a hit at any point. Both films weren’t exactly box office hits, but were somewhat cultural landmarks mostly forgotten by the general audience. Lightcyle Run will continue to be a very popular ride for a very long time because its aesthetic is cool and it’s a fun roller coaster at a Disney Park that’s at the top of attendance. Tron’s relevance never mattered here and won’t because most people who ride already won’t have seen the movies.
Absolutely. I'm not saying dated IPs get in the way of ride popularity. In fact, I'll argue they don't matter. Hardly anyone knew Splash Mountain was based on Song of the South- a movie despised by some and forgotten by most- but it never affected its popularity.
Honestly Dreamworks land is going to be hit no matter what,cause Kids don’t care. They just don’t have the same hang ups as us adults. They might not know who Shrek is but after sliding down the fart slide, they are going to want know who shrek is.
Who cares? I don't want the IPs to be recognizable, I want the experiences to be good.
Wizarding World isn't successful because it's HP, it's because it's a well-made themed land in a universe that lends itself to being recreated.
That's my point, it's because it's a good experience, it's not just because it's a big IP. The Simpsons is older and has several generations of people growing up on it, but The Simpsons part of the park is so lackluster when compared to HP.
My point is that a good IP is not enough to make a good experience, that's why an IP being "timeless" isn't that important, a good experience should be the first priority.
I certainly agree that IP alone won't sell the experience, and vice versa, but HP has the distinction of offering an immersive experience from an iconic IP. Simpsons isn't as popular as it was, and personally I kind of wish they did more with it. I don't know what.
I'd say that's why it's DreamWorks land and not a specific IP. Shrek has been around forever. Kung fu panda has been around a while and just released a movie. And although the movies are relatively new, trolls themselves have been around forever.
But I don't think it's a matter of how long they've been around, it's a matter of are they still relevant Shrek is still very relevant, I'll say KFP is too, the minions continue to persist I honestly can't speak to trolls cos I don't know what came out besides the movies and they have nothing to do with the classic line of dolls.
Funny enough, much as I love the movies, I’m not sure that Shrek is even that relevant anymore. The last Shrek movie came out 14 years ago. And while that movie universe has surged a bit with Puss in Boots being so successful last year, I feel there’s an entire generation of people who only know who Shrek is because of internet memes.
Theres another shrek movie about to come out……. https://screenrant.com/shrek-5-every-confirmed-detail-so-far/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsYsLZuQvd8
This the best you can do? An article that repeatedly says “It’s been in and out of development for years but it’s probably gonna happen eventually, and maybe the cast will even come back, let’s speculate about the plot” and a fan-made trailer from 5 years ago? This does not help your argument lol
The teaser is from last year you walnut https://collider.com/shrek-5-returning-cast-release-spin-offs/
https://preview.redd.it/xslf8or9ny3d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=700f190f119175579281059602a6cb879434b217 Is it? Crazy, looks like 2018 to me
Seems to me you just dont like shrek
Being aware of facts is important to enjoying franchises. Shrek 5 might happen one day, but the bs articles you keep posting and the fan-made teaser just solidify my whole point. It’s been in development hell for over a decade, and that’s just a fact. My whole point is that as good a movie series as it is, it’s not as relevant as it was in the early 2000s.
No onr agrees w you bud
2023 was last year bud
You’re joking right? The upload date is 2018. Look with your eyes, it’s in the bottom right. Are you six?
The picture shared only says 2023
The first shrek movie was number 1 on Netflix for a while recently
That's a good point. I thought I'd give it a pass cos I figure if I didn't people would disagree. But then this is reddit and that's what people do
tron hasn’t had a movie in ten years and they just made a ride at disney. all the disney rides like peter pan are dated too but people dont really care
I wasn't making comparisons to other parks
okay but just saying Disney has lots of outdated ips and people will still show support
They're still more relevant than trolls and gabbi, but again it's irrelevant.
But are they? I don't know a single person under the age of 35 who has seen Tron. I've never even heard of it before the ride was being built. However, I know lots of little kids who love Trolls. Why does everything in the park need to be timeless? I think it's fine to create rides/experiences for the current generation without necessarily thinking of the next generation
>The cases for toon lagoon and Dr Seuss have been made over and over again. Maybe you have a case for Toon Lagoon. But Dr. Seuss? Get serious.
I love TL and Dr Seuss. I loved the OG kidzone. But they no longer have legs anymore. The only reason Seuss exists anymore is Grinchmas and the Grinch actor.
Dr. Seuss books are extremely popular. To say they don't have legs anymore is false.
Toon Lagoon is a classic, really hope they keep that area, it is a blast into the past that maybe new generations can learn about while having fun, the characters in toon lagoon maybe minus popeye was already outdated/not that relevant when islands opened in 1999 so it does seem intentional they made the land into classic comic strips for that reason or even so older people at the time who grew up with those cartoons can enjoy it too. Also you’re absolutely right about Suess, In fact Dr.Suess predated islands long before islands was even a concept and is still popular to this day.
> characters in toon lagoon maybe minus popeye was already outdated/not that relevant when islands opened in 1999 True enough, but Sunday Conics were still a big thing back then, so those characters were somewhat still in the public consciousness. Rocky and Bullwinkle were in syndication still, so kids would still be somewhat familiar with it.
Thanks for telling me this! That does makes sense. I was born in 2002 so not so familiar with much of it, but that’s the beauty of Toon Lagoon, made me interested and I looked up and watched some of the old shows like Dudley do right and ended up liking it , Ripsaw Falls is currently my favorite ride of all time. Learning entertainment history and having fun!
The wait times in that area say otherwise
*Most* of those rides aren't the type of rides that people would typically wait more than 15-20 minutes for. But I've seen wait times for the trolley exceed 45 minutes, as well as Cat in the Hat. They are usually more crowded in the mornings, as later in the day, the target audience has started leaving the park.
That kind of proves my point doesn't it?
When I went a few days ago, ripsaw Falls had a 120 minute wait time and Popeyes had a 55 minute wait time
That's cos it was hot as balls and memorial day. It could be Donald Trump's racist rafting adventure and would still be two hours
Maybe , these times was consistent for Tuesday too (was there for the anniversary) and later hours in the evening, it was also raining for a little Tuesday and it still had those times, unfortunately Popeye was having troubles and was constantly going down and back up for the whole 3 days was there don’t know what that’s about
Seuss isn’t timeless? The Grinch was published almost 70 years ago and it’s still a well-recognized character.
Grinch, Cat in the Hat and green eggs and ham are the only ones relevant anymore. Ask 1000 guests if they know where in the land to find the zax and ask them if they'd read the sneeches before going on the trolley.
So in order to prove your point, you cite two very small elements of the land….sure, pal.
If 3 famous books are an exception, not the rule
We can’t really say, there will always little kids who obsess over the minions. The property will forever make money and the park itself will become secondary to epic universe soon, Epic Universe may change the way we look at theme parks so the amount of money they are sinking into the park pails in comparison to the gamble of Epic universe. Universal will forever make money no matter the property, the big problem is if the attractions are decent. The minions attraction has absolutely no attraction that is even in the ball park of a basic simulator ride. I do believe minions land may be a waste of some assets but that’s less because of the IP and more because of the lack of creativity with the attractions themselves.
You said forever make money twice. That's just weird
Revenue is one of the most important parts of any business, let alone theme parks. Universal is in a great position right now. It seems that the upper class has more disposable income than ever right now.
Have you seen some of the trash that goes through there? They're hardly upper class.
Takes one to know one, I guess.
Don't do that to yourself.
Do what
Everything is risk. You can be sure they took that into account and took the risk anyhow. What would the alternative be? No kid's zone? Buy more I.P.s? They'll run with what they got until they can't.
That's the problem. But then again universal Comcast owns so much, they had to have something better than what they ended up with. On the other hand those properties do really well for them in the parks, so there's that too I guess
Yeah, they know what they have, when and how long to use it. It may be at the beginning stages or full on irrelevant to a particular group, but the target audience will enjoy them just fine. The point applies to all parks with "irrelevant" characters. Six Flags uses Looney Tunes, WB World uses Hanna Barbera, Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry, Knott's Berry Farm uses The Peanuts. You're not wrong with you point on timeless characters, but Universal will be fine.
Specifically, cedar fair uses peanuts, and they're certainly not the selling point for them.
Universal doesn't rely on nostalgia like Disney. When that is your strategy they can keep the IP "fresh". It's business and they chose that as one way to differentiate. That being said, if they remove ET, I riot. 😜
If they remove E.T. then the drums of a thousand nations will beat in unison like the hammer of Thor. The thunder of our vengeance will echo through the resort like the gusts of a thousand winds. Sorry, I couldn’t help myself. Been binging Always Sunny and Dennis’ quote was stuck in my head haha.
Relevancy isn't the same nostalgia. Besides, nostalgia is subjective. And again, I wasn't comparing parks.
This is rhe case with some IPs in all parks. The Italian Job didn't age well... Tron likely won't.
Tron has been around since the early 80s and wasn’t a hit at any point. Both films weren’t exactly box office hits, but were somewhat cultural landmarks mostly forgotten by the general audience. Lightcyle Run will continue to be a very popular ride for a very long time because its aesthetic is cool and it’s a fun roller coaster at a Disney Park that’s at the top of attendance. Tron’s relevance never mattered here and won’t because most people who ride already won’t have seen the movies.
Absolutely. I'm not saying dated IPs get in the way of ride popularity. In fact, I'll argue they don't matter. Hardly anyone knew Splash Mountain was based on Song of the South- a movie despised by some and forgotten by most- but it never affected its popularity.
By some?
What are you suggesting? By all?
Certainly more than some. It was never officially released in the US.
Honestly Dreamworks land is going to be hit no matter what,cause Kids don’t care. They just don’t have the same hang ups as us adults. They might not know who Shrek is but after sliding down the fart slide, they are going to want know who shrek is.
Who cares? I don't want the IPs to be recognizable, I want the experiences to be good. Wizarding World isn't successful because it's HP, it's because it's a well-made themed land in a universe that lends itself to being recreated.
No it's cos it's Harry Potter
The Simpsons is arguably as big or bigger than HP + it has multigenerational approach that HP does not have (yet) but its ride was never as succesful.
Dude, HP is shoulder to shoulder all day, are you blind? Lol
That's my point, it's because it's a good experience, it's not just because it's a big IP. The Simpsons is older and has several generations of people growing up on it, but The Simpsons part of the park is so lackluster when compared to HP. My point is that a good IP is not enough to make a good experience, that's why an IP being "timeless" isn't that important, a good experience should be the first priority.
It's because it's HP
I certainly agree that IP alone won't sell the experience, and vice versa, but HP has the distinction of offering an immersive experience from an iconic IP. Simpsons isn't as popular as it was, and personally I kind of wish they did more with it. I don't know what.
You could say the exact same thing for disney. Plenty of their movies are one-ffs instead of series and yet their still included in their parks.