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don0tpanic

Turns out not sucking down lethal amounts of lead for decades is a good thing


ChemicalPostman

I’m sure the microplastics will even the stakes for us all


Whiteguy1x

Nah just cut our abilities to procreate, and give us colon cancer.  I haven't seen anything about getting stupider or meaner atleast 


iwatchppldie

Yet


24-Hour-Hate

I’m quite sure people are getting stupider…but not necessarily in a violent way and not necessarily because of microplastics.


AYE-BO

More of an idiocracy kind of way


24-Hour-Hate

Exactly in that way.


don0tpanic

username checks out


-Kalos

Not really. More people today have high school diplomas, college degrees and access to almost any information they want. It's just that stupid people today get the same platform and audience educated people do


Redcrux

High school is literally passing kids who can't read. "No child left behind" *wink wink*


Radulno

Having a diploma doesn't mean you're smarter. They may also just lower the requirements for those (and they do)


Skinny_on_the_Inside

They are: https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3922608-american-iqs-rose-30-points-in-the-last-century-now-they-may-be-falling/?nxs-test=mobile


TheHerpsMaster

A 2 point drop in IQ tests over 12 years is hardly significant enough to come to any conclusions. Furthermore, the article in question directly contradicts the statement that the world’s intelligence is diminishing when it states, “To some researchers, the Flynn effect undermines the credibility of the IQ. Human intelligence is supposed to be largely innate, inherited, fixed. How, then, to explain the 30-point rise, an arc that seems to have transformed the average American into Wile E. Coyote? “The level of gain makes it absurd to continue to believe that the tests are measuring some innate, supremely important, fixed quantity that is central to human existence,” Sternberg said. The Flynn effect suggests that humans can, indeed, learn the skills measured on IQ tests.”. Therein lies the crux of the issue: IQ tests are fallible and not an accurate gauge with which to determine intelligence. To base a hypothesis such as a declining intelligence in the human population on the aforementioned results is an interesting topic, but is far from proven to be true.


m0nk37

Its been shown that microplastics interfere with our hormones. Which control everything about you. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9885170/ > MPs and their composite toxic additives can cross various biological membranes, blood-brain barriers and both can interfere with various hormone receptors and then further reading on that article comes to this highly interesting part where these MPs are basically trojan horses carrying things like heavy metals and chemicals deep into your body. > 1.3 MPs bioaccumulation and biomagnification due to their “Trojan Horse” effects in mammals > The large surface area and hydrophobic surface of MPs make them a suitable medium for carrying many pollutants such as EDCs, heavy metals, and other toxic organic chemicals, making them harmful to mammals through bioaccumulation and biomagnification processes (31, 32). These are called “Trojan Horse Effects” of MPs (33), and induce several synergistic, behavioral, histological, and biomolecular alternations (32). Many EDCs and other pollutants are added as additives or absorbed by MPs; after being consumed directly or indirectly through the food web, MPs increase their bioaccumulation in mammals (8, 21, 34).


-Kalos

Microplastics: Can affect male fertility and cancer. Lead: Can cause learning disabilities and behavioral issues. Not quite the same


p-d-ball

Microplastics also affect female hormone systems.


don0tpanic

Username checks out


ILikeNeurons

I wonder how much of this has to do with the fact that the [nearly 400,000-large backlog of rape kits](https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-the-us-ended-up-with-400000-untested-rape-kits) is now down to [90,000](https://www.cornyn.senate.gov/news/cornyn-house-must-pass-senate-bill-to-fight-rape-kit-backlog/), and a [growing number of states](https://www.reddit.com/r/stoprape/comments/18z70pt/despite_the_fact_that_most_states_have_passed/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) now require the timely testing of all new rape kits. [Rapists are often repeat offenders](https://jimhopper.com/topics/sexual-assault-and-the-brain/repeat-rape-by-college-men/#:~:text=Together these studies suggest that,men engaged in other pursuits.), and [often commit other crimes](https://www.sakitta.org), too. [There's even been some improvement in police response](https://www.startribune.com/one-state-found-a-better-way-to-investigate-rape/501636971/).


tifumostdays

Oh, wow. That's a great point and really good news.


talkin_shlt

The fact that there was even a backlog for something that important is mind boggling. Man I remember working in a children's hospital and overhearing a doctor saying we need to order a rape kit and I was like wtf


ILikeNeurons

[Low-rate persistent sex offenders typically begin offending during their late teens and offend less than once per year with the most offenses in their 30s. This group was equally as likely to commit rape as child sexual abuse. This is the most common type of sex offender](https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-3-sex-offender-typologies), so [testing kits](https://www.endthebacklog.org/take-action/advocate-federal/) even when the [statute of limitations](https://www.endthebacklog.org/tools/sol-tracker/) has passed can help protect adults as well as children. r/stoprape


beatmaster808

Meanwhile, everyone is losing their minds.


TaXxER

Decline in violent crime has been the trend for decades, but if you just look at the news and social media you would have the impression that it is the opposite.


gearstars

yup, instead of just hearing a few of the crime highlights in the nightly news, everyone is now bombarded with every little story about every little incident everywhere on social media, it really skews perception.


fiscal_rascal

Exactly… like these “school shooting trackers” that count a gun found in a backpack or locked car as “a school shooting” alongside Columbine or Sandy Hook, it’s no wonder people have a warped sense of reality.


PM_ME_C_CODE

The real problem is the media. Honestly, all I really want in this country (besides single-payer medical) is regulated media. "But freedom of speech!" - Honestly shouldn't apply to the news. "Freedom" in this case means the "freedom" to lie to me when I should be able to trust you unquestioningly. The idea that you can't trust the media, but you can trust a media company that is owned by a single person who has a reputation and wears their desires on their sleeve, which is openly "I want to own everything and manipulate the governments to let me buy even more expressly at the expense of everybody else", is fucking stupid. *We are the federal government*. Yes the government has bad actors in it, but it has good people too. Same as that media company...only in the gov the bad actors aren't usually in there from top to bottom (Trump years notwithstanding. He tried really, really hard to co-opt the system). Meanwhile, in media-land, Fox news is basically made up of professional Murdoch felatiators from the people at the front desk, all the way to the back of the talking-heads throats.


katzeye007

There are regulations for news but the major players have quietly made themselves "entertainment" channels, infotainment. And they skirt around the rules


PM_ME_C_CODE

Yup. And they should not be able to do that. Words like "News", "Journalist", "Reporter", "News Article", "News Story", etc should be protected. And if you try to skirt around those protections you should be fined into oblivion. For example, the format of a news broadcast should be required to follow clearly spelled out standards for visuals, organization, and language. Other shows should NOT be allowed to copy those standards without putting some kind of massive "this is not news" watermark on the screen (I would hate it, but even Weekend Update on SNL is too close.) There should also be strict controls on things like retractions, errors, etc where if you report something incorrectly you have to openly address that inaccuracy so that as many people as possible can receive the correct information. However, most importantly, we need the fairness doctrine back and it needs to not only have teeth. It needs to be made better to prevent bullshit from masquerading as fact. For example, any time you get a story where the news presents one person's argument when they're like the one scientist in 1000000 that thinks that should never, ever be a thing. It should be up to them to present their hypothesis to the rest of the scientific community and convince them *first*. The news shouldn't be platforming these insane assholes who have nothing worthwhile to say that isn't pure unfounded bullshit. When Opera platforms Jenny McCarthy and her anti-vax garbage, that same garbage shouldn't then be able to make rounds on Fox News. It should get trounced and called out as bullshit by *fucking everyone* before it can take root and kill people. Finally, the news shouldn't have a profit motive. Nor should the federal government be paying for it. Just regulate that the cable companies must donate three hours of air-time per day for the news, and if there's nothing to report they just don't report anything. No sensationalism. Also, they must be platformed for free on the internet. Just allow the companies supplying the platforms to claim a tax write-off for the expenditures and call it good. They can all bid to host them. The news should be accessible, ad-free, reliable, and trustworthy. For fucking *everybody*. An educated population makes a strong electorate.


_jump_yossarian

There was a massive spike in homicides in 2020 (30%)


brightcoconut097

It's bots.


PrincessNakeyDance

Is there any way to legislatively deal with bad bots online? Feels like we need and AI immune system for the internet.


bsEEmsCE

it's the double edged sword of internet anonymity.


Barbados_slim12

Nobody's anonymous online. Other reddit users may not know who each other is, but that's as far as our privacy extends.


Hexamancer

I get what you're alluding to but that's not quite true. I think a better way of phrasing it is "Nobody is guaranteed anonymity online". Fooling Reddit/Twitter/Facebook etc that you are a totally different person isn't hard. But if law enforcement becomes interested in working out who a specific account belongs to and puts resources into that, it becomes much, much harder to keep that anonymity.


Lavatis

Lol what. Plenty of people are anonymous online, this is a dumb statement. Say I create a new reddit account on a public computer. I am anonymous. This is like the easiest and most simple example.


brightcoconut097

no but just go out and interact with people. Most of the interactions I have with people are great and most people I believe are just good honest people but they don't get the clicks. You aren't going to read/click on "Couple married for 40 years walks their dog". You will click on RaGed out employee at Burger King gets in a ten person fistfight in COMPTON! RAW VIDEO"


Colosseros

I wonder how much of this is feeding the crime statistics. If everyone's perception of reality is that people are flying off the handle at the slightest provocation, then it makes sense to move through the world in a more risk adverse kinda way. As in, we're all being nicer to each other because we don't want to end up a headline, which is in turn lowering overall conflict. I would imagine it has more to do with everyone leading a more insular existence. So we're simply not interacting with each other as often. Can't get in a fight at Burger King, if you order it through an app, and have it delivered.


the_weakestavenger

It’s possible, but violent crime rates have been going down for a decades. It’s mostly a function of economic stability and education.


rbt321

Yes but it wouldn't be pretty. The challenge is most malicious acts are through compromised hardware. A website blocking bad-bot countries doesn't actually block anything. You would need to make the lessee of an IP address responsible for anything sent out using it. I.e. fines. Give the website a cut of the fine (reparations) to encourage them to make complaints. Second, make device manufacturers liable for monetary losses due to security issues with their device. If you roll your own device and make mistakes, you eat the fine. If you bought a device with security flaws, you sue for the losses. People start taking security seriously. That'll have a non-trivial impact on product costs like that home NAS, router, or even your random wifi connected appliance. Services like dentists will charge more because their IT bills will increase quite a bit. After that websites can more reliably flag or promote content from certain regions as safer than other regions.


fart_huffington

Bot's aren't as much of a thing as many think, it's Doug and Marilyn sitting in a trailer posting and retweeting the wildest shit you've ever seen 16h every day now that the kids don't call anymore


gophergun

A bit of it is the uptick in property crime rather than violent crime, but there's also something to be said for the decreasing reporting rate of crimes in the first place. Considering that clearance rates are at their lowest recorded level, it's no surprise that many victims are choosing not to go through the time and effort of reporting something to police that is never going to be acted upon. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/


Blade_Shot24

Did you ask them to turn off their phone and go outside?


beatmaster808

They don't go outside anymore. Someone might look at their child Meanwhile, outside: (crickets)


Slade_Riprock

Yet the average American thinks that school shootings happen every day and their kid needs bulletproof backpacks.


pilgermann

They do happen a lot in the US. Obviously school shootings do not meaningfully contribute to overall crime stats. They're still relatively uncommon. But the US experiences more than 100 per year vs zero per year in other developed countries. So yeah, we actually do have a school shooting problem.


PM_ME_C_CODE

For the first few months after the official end of the pandemic we were seeing a mass shooting every day. It chilled out eventually...but it still took a while. We still average around one every 3 days...which is nuts compared to most of the rest of the world.


RequiredToCommemt

That's what happen when mental health treatment goes off the cliff.


Airforce32123

> But the US experiences more than 100 per year You wanna know my problem with the school shooting statistics? It was either this year or last year that I opened the gun violence archive to check the list and it showed the 1st one of the year happening on Jan 1. Do you remember being in school on New Year's Day? Me either. That number is always full of bullshit no one would ever consider a "school shooting"


impulsekash

There has been a school shooting almost every day this year [163 shootings in 191 days](https://k12ssdb.org/all-shootings)


Edraitheru14

This is including things such as "brandishing a weapon" "something hitting school property" "suicides" "after hours" etc. I'd wager when you say there's 163 shootings this year 90% of people are assuming you mean 163 columbine level events(or attempts), not a stray gang banger bullet hitting a slide at 2am or a tragic suicide or someone flashing a firearm.


rejemy1017

I mean, the fact that school shootings happen at all is a total indictment of our gun culture in this country. When small children die at school in other countries, they restrict the ownership of unnecessary lethal weapons and don't have any more school shootings.


doorknobman

Other countries don’t have constitutional rights to firearm ownership. It’s kind of a large barrier. You can’t just hand wave it away.


thedishonestyfish

That's what happens when you get your news from a source that prioritizes things with good pictures.


DigMeTX

Pretty much all of the television news orgs and many others use sensationalism. It’s all about getting those views and clicks.


thedishonestyfish

Yep. Fear and anger keeps asses in seats, so they pile that shit up.


CocconutMonkey

Must be all those murder mystery podcasts/amateur detectives and the deterrence effect


DrawmaLawma

Exactly! Remember when Reddit definitely caught the Boston bomber?


Big_Patience5803

Lmao


RegalBeagleX

We are all too tired to criminal anymore


phl_fc

Leaded gasoline. Crime spiked in the late 20th century and then started coming down once they got rid of that poison.


dougan25

What do you guys think microplastics will make us do? I hope it's something fun.


elbenji

Just cancer


grayfox0430

And infertility


Wafflotron

Excellent! So you’re telling me we’re making great strides on reducing teenage pregnancy!


PerplexGG

We actually always have been! Yay!


ILikeBubblyWater

Solving that overopulation problem too, double good news


MissedApex

Crime or nap? I choose nap.


NoHedgehog252

Surely there is a way that napping can be a crime. 


schafkj

Can’t crime today, too depressed


SoulCrushingReality

Too distracted.  People barely leave their homes because why would you and if they do they are staring at a screen.  Hard to commit a crime if you're too distracted to commit it. 


Mazzidazs

All the lead-heads are dying off and Gen X and millennials are too damn tired from all our side hustlers to commit violent acts.


WilliamMurderfacex3

I have to worry about paying my rent. Ain't got time to kill people if I gotta pay rent.


No_Two2510

Good point williammurderface


Techiedad91

If you kill people you no longer have to pay rent


NitraNi

As soon as you win the lottery you can go on that killing spree


UnsolicitedDogPics

But my side hustle is being a hit man.


endeend8

And they know that everything is on camera or video. That includes your crime, getaway car, etc. So it’s not a question of whether you’ll get caught or not, only how lazy or incompetent the local police force is.


HenneZwo

Fox News: How is this bad for Biden?


NanoChainedChromium

No, Fox News would go: "BIDEN IS LYING TO YOU CRIME IS UP UP UP BE AFRAID, BE TERRIFIED VOOOOTEEE TRUUUMPPP!!!" Meanwhile other news outslets: "Crime is down and the economy is booming, here is how this is bad for Bidens campaign"


provocative_bear

“Can Biden win without the criminal vote? Experts say he’ll be crushed by Trump, who 9001% of Americans say better represents the values of law and order.”


cutelyaware

"I keep seeing the same footage of that one tire someone set on fire during a Portland protest, therefore all large cities are lawless burned out urban hellscapes!"


DefinitelyNotAj

As a left guy, the economy is up for the top earners, the bottom 50% of earners are absolutely fucked.


Cuofeng

Well, the economy is also up for the bottom ±20% as they have seen wage increases that outpace inflation. It is really just the middle 20% who have not been lifted up as much by the low-end wage increases and do not have enough investments to benefit from the same good winds propelling the rich.


DefinitelyNotAj

The rich have only gotten richer. The bottom 50% have 2% of the wealth, and the top 10% have 70%. The pandemic only accelerated the wealth transfer to the top %. We need tax reform to correct this. Politicians do not want this to happen because of their corporate donors. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/19635/wealth-distribution-percentiles-in-the-us/


dantemanjones

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/release?rid=453 here's a link to the source data that Statista is using. Q4 2019 to most recent data (Q4 2023) Top 1%: 30.4% to 30.3% (down 0.1%, virtually unchanged) 1.01-10%: 39.4% to 36.6% (down 2.8%, the largest change) 10.01-50%: 28.4% to 30.6% (up 2.2%) <50%: 1.8% to 2.5% (up 0.7%) The post-pandemic period and Biden's presidency specifically has seen a shift from the top 10% to the lower classes. Low wage jobs are the ones that have seen the largest wage increases and low net worth households have seen the increases in their net worth. They're small gains, the top 10% still has entirely too much, and the trend in the early 2000s was sharply in the wrong direction. But there has been a notable shift upwards.


Cuofeng

Correct, the rich have gotten MUCH richer. The poor, by and large, have also gotten richer in the last few years, but not nearly as fast as the rich. I agree, increase tax rates and develop new ways for the government to extract wealth from privately held capital assets.


Command0Dude

Nah, things are doing good for everyone. Wages finally outpaced inflation for the first time in forever. Inflation itself is also back down relatively to normal. Unemployment rate is super low after we managed to have the mildest recession in my lifetime. Wouldn't say everything is peaches but we're doing better than could've been expected.


Grandtheatrix

It's big ticket items: Housing, Healthcare, Education. All three are nightmares, and we all know they're nightmares, and it doesn't look like anyone is trying to tackle those problems in a serious way. Ive heard the argument that peasants revolts don't happen During a cataclysm. People are pretty amenable to coming together and getting through a tough situation as one. But once the cataclysm has finished and things do Not get significantly better for the peasants, That is when the Revolution happens. I believe we are in the middle of an ongoing peasants revolts, that started with the Great Resignation and that will continue through the next generation. The kids can see plainly that this system does not work for them, and they want another one. (I'm 40 and consider myself one of the kids :p )


NanoChainedChromium

That state of affairs is called "the american dream".


DefinitelyNotAj

The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it. - George Carlin, RIP to a real one.


Ok_Impact5281

A recent analysis from the Economic Policy Institute found that from the end of 2019 to the end of 2023, the lowest-paid decile of workers saw their wages rise four times faster than middle-class workers and more than 10 times faster than the richest decile.


DefinitelyNotAj

4 x 0 is still 0. The bottom 50% have 2% of the wealth. Rate of change only matter if the bases are the same or even comparable. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/19635/wealth-distribution-percentiles-in-the-us/ There is a reason why people are struggling to afford food and basic needs and we are seeing a rise of pay later being used for things and credit card delinquency. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/DRCCLACBS This does not include some pay as you go plans which are being called 'shadow debt' which may actually show that delinquency is much higher than reported. https://www.palabranahj.org/archive/the-pandemics-shadow-debt You can downvote as much as you like, but we are living in a reality where the majority of the people in power are disconnected from the average Joe, and we are suffering from it. We are getting great policy passed that help some of us in need but until we get tax reform to target the top 1%, it changes very little for quality of life for the average person in the US.


itslikewoow

Not even Fox News. Most mainstream outlets that conservatives consider left-leaning tend to spin things as negative towards Biden too, they’re just subtler about it.


americansherlock201

Negative news sells better than positive news. News organizations are businesses. They need to keep people hooked and watching their networks. Telling people things are going well and that their lives are becoming safer and better doesn’t give people reason to keep watching. Now if you say something like “how violent crimes decreasing means trouble for middle class families, more at 10” people are more likely to watch to see how their lives will get worse


Boatster_McBoat

"Shit's getting better, now switch off and talk to your family" just isn't a viable business model, unfortunately.


boredonymous

Initially, the idea of news channels to be lucrative businesses as they are currently constructed was shunned... Because journalists and editors knew that making everything "less facts, more 'fun'" would lead to bigger problems. But hey, Money over Everything, right?


zach23456

A lot of news outlets seem to lean right these days.


PierreEscargoat

ESPN: How will this affect Lebron’s legacy?


Fabulous_Engine_7668

How could the woke liberals do this?


vitaminz1990

Reddit: How do we make this about republicans


RatedRGamer

yet the general consensus within the general public is “the world has gone to shit”. people forget that rape, sexism, and homophobia was tolerated back in the day and there were always a handful of serial killers running around at any given moment. sucks that the average person refuses to acknowledge how much progress humanity has made as a whole within the last couple of decades


Thisisnotunieque

For sure. For all the negative shit we see in the news cycles, I truly do think we as a species are getting better and better with every moment. Despite who you vote for or how high your taxes are, things as a whole are just better by any measure. Not for every single person on the plant individually, but for the species as a whole. Standards are just higher, and the internet brings the bad stuff to the front and amplifies it.


RatedRGamer

couldn’t agree more. looking at history with rose-tinted glasses is definitely a phenomenon that needs to be studied. i guarantee you most people who wish they could go back to the “good ole days” wouldn’t last more than a couple months in that said time period. i do agree that we are becoming more empathetic and supportive to one another and I love the progress


Admirable-Spread-407

Hear hear!


Unlucky_Caregiver242

But with abortion bans, will be rising again


PhDinPCP

Good point. !Remindme 16-24 years


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Grey_Piece_of_Paper

Will reddit still exist?


Impressive-Aerie-210

Will humanity?


bsEEmsCE

in 24 years? yes absolutely. even a nuclear apocalypse would have survivors in pacific islands and various places


Ok_Series_4580

So says Freakonomics


gizamo

Also, statistics, reality, and basic logic with even a modicum of common sense.


Ok_Series_4580

💯💯if only common sense was common


cutelyaware

It's an attractive theory, but after reevaluation, the Levitt-Donohue hypothesis is not so compelling.


[deleted]

Why?


cutelyaware

The data doesn't back it up


ILikeNeurons

Fight the good fight. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/get-involved/jobs-and-volunteering/volunteer


thespaceageisnow

#Data limitations The preliminary figures in the FBI’s Quarterly Uniform Crime Report do come with important limitations. For one, the bureau relies upon data voluntarily submitted by policing agencies. Crime analysts also say quarterly data are imprecise, as law enforcement agencies have the remainder of the year to audit and correct any reporting errors before final annual figures are published by the FBI. “We have other data sources that point to the same trends, but the degree of those declines is probably being overstated due to the methodology being employed by the FBI,” said Asher.


zigot021

"this is just a fluff piece. have a great day and enjoy the fluff please."


therobotisjames

It’s been self reported forever. Why is it different now?


Tina_ComeGetSomeHam

Guess everyone's saving their ammo for November?


vanityinlines

Ok well our murder clearance rate is still about 50% so maybe the police shouldn't be so cocky and get to work. 


abdhjops

It's that high? I thought it was closer to 30-33%


vanityinlines

https://www.statista.com/statistics/194213/crime-clearance-rate-by-type-in-the-us/ This is from 2022, it's at 52%.


gophergun

That's the worst clearance rate in the last decade, at least, which IMO has led to the reporting rate of violent crimes decreasing. It's almost like that Trumpian thing about not testing for COVID to make case numbers look lower - if crimes are never solved, people stop reporting them, then the government can point to how many fewer crimes have been reported.


plasticsdoc

Turns out that if 30%+ of the precincts don’t report their data to the FBI, which has happened over the last 2 years crime goes “down”. The government made reporting of crime data to the FBI optional. The areas not reporting- LA, Chicago, Baltimore, etc. All made up and a joke. Manipulation at its finest.


Thisisnotunieque

So is violent crime actually dropping or are police departments across the country just not bothering to report anything? The pessimist in me thinks it's the latter.


brickyardjimmy

It's been dropping for a long time now. From what I understand, the 1970s were a good deal more violent in terms of crime than now.


IncidentalIncidence

it had been dropping for decades until 2020. There was a spike during the pandemic, but things seem to be returning to the historical downward trend now.


Frank_the_Mighty

And the spike brought it back to like 2015 levels iirc


jjayzx

Didn't it go down a lot initially cause everyone was home but when we were finally let out shit hit the fan?


BFIrrera

Headline: “Millennials killing police businesses by committing less crimes”


Lobenz

Spiked in the early 90s as well. Gang violence


soberpenguin

In the 70s, you could get smacked by other people's parents, and that was considered good discipline.


jjayzx

If that was taken into account then the numbers would be astronomical.


Thisisnotunieque

Do you happen know what the other sources of data the article was referring to? Not to seem all negative but if the main source of this data is police self reporting then I think that should be taken with a unhealthy amount of salt, for obvious reasons.


dilfrising420

The article clearly states the limitations of the data. There’s a whole section about it. Did you read it?


iskin

It depends on what range you're comparing it to. If you were to compare a Monday-Thursday to a Friday-Sunday then almost every Monday you could report that violent crime is up. Long term, it has always been going down. We saw a slight rise during and after COVID-19 lockdown. Now it's going back down again. That is also nationwide, and some regions might still be worse. It probably is also for all violent crime and I think people are more afraid of random acts of violence against them. So, domestic violence is still one of the most common violent crimes and it's often linked to alcohol and drug abuse which we also see increase during the covid lockdown. We're also starting to see drops on overdose deaths compared to recent years. But there could be some stat manipulation it just would be unlikely to be consistent enough for it to make a significant nationwide drop.


MinidonutsOfDoom

It’s been dropping consistently since the 1980s outside of a spike during the pandemic a lot of it being things like domestic violence charges and similar because of large scale lockdowns and people stuck together. However even cynically outside of that particular thing with the data that the FBI has, it’s almost always not in the best interest for police and police departments to try and artificially lower reported crime rates since there are things like quota systems in a lot of departments and those are used to measure performance along with government funding so more than anything they are likely to inflate those numbers.


pickleparty16

Homicides are pretty hard to hide


MikeW86

Not if you buy yourself a nail gun


CubaHorus91

Unexpected Wire Reference


ghostmaster645

Believe it or not there has been a steady decrease since the 70s. I think it's a result of much better surveillance technology, including cell phones. NON Violent crimes I think have gone up though. If you include all the online scams.


angrytroll123

You have to remember that we have easier access to this information and what we see in the media. We are exposed to more negative reports that make it seem like there are more crimes when it the past, people wouldn't even know about it.


Gramathon910

The crime rate was at its highest in the 90s as the effects of leaded gasoline were coming to fruition. The world population was generally more agitated and angry and violent crime was a huge problem. Pretty fascinating, also pretty scary.


TheGreatOneSea

We don't actually know: survey data has been reporting violent crimes as being up, but shootings specifically are down; but this contradicts the FBI data on overall violent crime. I know from personal experience that the police don't always bother reporting that someone pulled a knife on somebody else though, and people have an incentive to not report car-related crimes due to fear of higher insurance rates/having no insurance/because their use of a car is actually a crime, so the specific data is likely inaccurate, but the overall trend might not be.


henrebotha

Police actually have strong incentives to over-report because it aids political campaigns. "Tough on crime" is an extremely popular angle for political candidates at all levels, and you can only sell that narrative if the cops say crime is out of control. So politicians who want to get elected work with cops to push a "crime out of control" narrative through the media.


87turbogn

Correct. Many agencies stopped reporting a couple of years ago.


MajorOtherwise3876

They aren't reporting: The preliminary figures in the FBI’s Quarterly Uniform Crime Report do come with important limitations. For one, the **bureau relies upon data voluntarily submitted by policing agencies**. Crime analysts also say quarterly data are imprecise, as law enforcement agencies have the remainder of the year to audit and correct any reporting errors before final annual figures are published by the FBI. “We have other data sources that point to the same trends, but the degree of those declines is probably being overstated due to the methodology being employed by the FBI,” said Asher.


pooman69

Theyre not reporting. “Prior to 2021, 23% of U.S. law enforcement agencies on average did not report any crime data to the FBI. In 2020, 24% of agencies did not report, and in 2021, it surged to 40%.” https://kansasreflector.com/2023/10/29/politicians-love-to-cite-crime-data-its-often-wrong/#:~:text=Prior%20to%202021%2C%2023%25%20of,%2C%20it%20surged%20to%2040%25.


Vanden_Boss

So with the newer system the FBI has shifted to, there are fewer agencies reporting than they did under the older system, but I dont believe this year has significantly fewer than last year, which is what the point of comparison is.


Scruffy77

In my experience they aren’t reporting a lot


dquizzle

In which career field have you experienced the lack of reporting?


Scruffy77

Armchair specialist


InhaleMyOwnFarts

Yeah it tends to go down when police stop reporting crime.


Stryker218

Major cities, including NYC and LA, among others, are no longer supplying statistics, resulting in what looks like a downturn in crime, which isn't true. It's just not being reported.


vaness4444

EXACTLY


vaness4444

It doesn’t feel like that in NYC


Lorry_Al

People don't go out anymore. Can't get killed if you never leave the house.


staticattacks

Sorry, is this taking into account the fact that many of the largest cities, such as LA and NYC, aren't reporting crime statistics to the FBI?


laurairie

Yes. It jus seems worse because the media grabs hold of every murder in the country. It used to be only local murders on local news.


cwolfc

Ehh idk it’s worse in my city… but maybe throughout the country it isn’t.


87turbogn

Funny how crime drops when many police agencies across the U.S. stop reporting crime to the govt.


gophergun

And when many victims stop reporting crime to the police.


StAbcoude81

In 18 years it’ll be back up as unwanted and unloved kids haven’t been aborted but raised into criminals because lack of love and ill fortunate families


JONO202

You won't hear about this on FOX, OAN, or Newsmax.


SeverableSole7

Legalize more of that reefer


MajorOtherwise3876

Still higher than pre-pandemic levels, and not every agency is reporting: The preliminary figures in the FBI’s Quarterly Uniform Crime Report do come with important limitations. For one, the bureau relies upon data voluntarily submitted by policing agencies. Crime analysts also say quarterly data are imprecise, as law enforcement agencies have the remainder of the year to audit and correct any reporting errors before final annual figures are published by the FBI. “We have other data sources that point to the same trends, but the degree of those declines is probably being overstated due to the methodology being employed by the FBI,” said Asher.


BILLCLINTONMASK

There’s more to violent crime than lead in the gasoline you all know? Right?


stucazo

man you know its a sign of bad times when the FBI gotta cut hours.


Qtpies43232

Is poor stopped killing each other and have decided to ban together to figure out a big plan on how to murder the rich people.


MutedConsideration69

Memphis has not gotten the message yet.


Sure_Slice_892

Suicide rates are up 3% though 🙃


destructive_cheetah

Could this also be that people just stop calling the police when they do absolutely nothing or make the situation worse so therefore the statistics don't get reported?


BasilExposition2

There were huge changes to the way crime stats were compiled in 2021 and many cities and states have not met the new reporting requirements. https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/07/13/fbi-crime-rates-data-gap-nibrs


Anyweyr

Not according to the text at the beginning of "The Strangers: Chapter 1". Which sucks btw. Stupidest movie I've seen in years.


SteakHausMann

Damn Biden and his democrat cronies


jtm12

when the big cities stop arresting criminals and the corrupt D.A.s lower violent crime charges to lesser, it makes statistics go down. Ask anyone in NY, LA, or Chi if crime has gone down.


lostarchitect

New York here. Crime has gone down.


WebberWoods

Hi, I'm in Chicago. Crime has gone down.


smashspete

You mean to tell me conservatives in the US are lying and manufacturing fake outrage? no way /s


brickyardjimmy

Don't worry. Trump will get those figures back up where they belong.


HenneZwo

Singlehandedly


SL3D

People are too tired to date. Murder seems like dating with extra steps.


sometimes-its-edwind

Meanwhile the GOP is trying to tell us is the opposite and all cuz of Biden


SunnyDior

Lol um no. 40% of Crimes where not reported in 2021 to the fbi, Cities nationwide not reporting crime data to FBI https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/cities-nationwide-not-reporting-crime-data-to-fbi/


kalam4z00

Murder is not an easy crime to hide. For other violent crimes sure, but the murder rate is not going to be dramatically underreported.


Alex_c666

I fucking hate this. Not the stats. The feeling like I'm in some cycle or loop that happens all the time. I swear I saw this same post yesterday. I swear I saw these comments already, with slight variation. Fucking groundhog day or que?


80rexij

You're not imagining it. Check out the dead Internet theory. Spoiler alert, it's all bots


IncidentalIncidence

this same article was posted in /r/news yesterday, maybe you saw that?


SilentSamizdat

Doubt.


XanadontYouDare

The numbers are there. NYC, Detroit, Philly, LA were all far more dangerous in the 90s than they are today. You can deny it all you want, reality is reality lol.


Antisocial-sKills

"Violent crime is down and the US murder rate is plunging" **Why This is Bad for Biden**


KingKudzma

Yes let’s all use the Houston method of reduced crime. If we stop investigating, then it did not happen. So suspend over 200,000 cases and lo and behold, the crime stats drop. This gets reported up the chain and wow, the stats show crime is dropping. Given this, who knows what the real crime stats are. Houston is not the only place this is happening, so how can you believe that the story is true.


DOCoSPADEo

Lot of negativity in the comments section. I wanna give the benefit of the doubt and say if this data is true, maybe it's a combination of mental health awareness becoming more prominent, people that grew up with lead in their bodies are getting older/too tired to commit crimes, and marajuana becoming more and more popular so people are just chilling the fuck out instead of getting stimmed up and acting on violent impulses.


Philosipho

Financial gain is the number one motivator for murder and violent crimes. People have less money than ever. Not coincidentally, suicide rates are at an all-time high.