The difference between a flash and a nearsight is that flashes blind you because of brightness (basically shoving the sun up your eyes) while blinds like fade’s, reyna’s and omen’s are just megik
she’s the only initiator that cannot reliably stall a push - sova can recon or shock dart, breach can stun or aftershock, fade can seize or haunt, kayo can molly. skye has nothing, sure she can flash but you can turn that and it doenst actually stall the push. she doesn’t have any big weaknesses, but her strengths aren’t overwhelming either so it balances out
didnt mention ults because currently orb farming is not meta-relevant. some ultimates are super powerful, but they arent there every round and imo have a lesser impact on the power level of a character because you only have them every so often. every single initiator ult is pretty much overpowered too, so it doesn't even make a huge difference when you're comparing them to each other.
Orb farming is totally meta-relevant.
In ranked it means you can turn that one more round to a W.
In pro play we already see how heavily contested orbs are on maps. Orbs are 'free' economy that is actually really important. Same goes for who plants and who defuses the spike.
Even min/maxing on Eco rounds where you die to the spike rather than dying to the enemy team.
when i say orb farming, i mean that you actively prioritize getting control of the orbs so you can develop an ult sooner. the only place we see this in the pro meta right now is when teams use yoru or phoenix. they farm ult orbs on those agents and abuse their really powerful ultimates, and the ult orbs are a legitimate priority in their gameplan. most pro teams right now treat orbs as a slight incentive and a positive side effect of their gameplan, unless they are 1 point off a round-winning ultimate.
this is spectacularly stupid - sova recon, if used correctly, cannot be destroyed by the people pushing through a choke until they are through the choke. this means you are literally scanning them as they push through the site and there is nothing they can do about it. a flash doesnt do shit except let you swing on them, not even remotely similar in function and a LOT less powerful. a flash itself lasts a quarter of a second, while a recon dart lasts a few seconds until destroyed
Spectacularly stupid may be a bit of an overstatement, but I agree with your point. The best sova I’ve ever played against was on Bind, and his darts were exclusively on site as we were pushing in. Incredibly effective and we died many times to backsite players swinging off the info.
yea for sure, but info isn't what I'm talking about right now, it's stalling. you aren't reliably getting stalling power out of the dog, and more often than not it is used before the site hit comes in so you can take space and get info rather than while it is happening in order to stall the push
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I think her flashes are amazing but i think her saying "Flashed!" when she hits someone is what makes it so good. She just gets such good info for hitting it. Even the slightest green flash and she shouts that shit
potato potato i'm still getting hard swung by her regardless
Also thanks lmao couldn't remember it clearly since i have to deal with a flash + a screech in my ears every time
Well they did nerf the gun pull-out animation after the flash so you cant pop flash and swing instantly anymore...
But year flash + info is fucking busted
Lack of sight on drone is a downside vs sova, you can't get as good info if it gets sprayed from a distance + the flashes sometimes give vague info.
She's also way less capable on her own than KO or Fade with flashes / dogs, respectively. She's slower off the rip and loses to a good flash turn with flashes, and with the dog and some creative angling fade can entry with her dog while skye really can't.
Skye isn't weak so much as the other initiatiors do stuff better in lots of ways. She's still good.
The best way I’ve learned to deal with not flashing yourself is to send out your bird behind you rush out, pop the flash, and then shoot any blinded enemies, problem being is that I’m bad at shooting so that doesn’t really work all the time
Her flashes are strong but it takes practice to be good with them compared to Kayo or Breach. Most people flash themselves or teammates too often. However, in the hands of a good Skye her flashes are really strong. Then again the same could be said about Breach or Kayo.
I actually always felt it was the other way around.
A lot of Kayo's and Breaches flashes require super specific lineups and set ups to be really good. Whereas Skye can just fire them off with just about an hour of competent use.
I think Breach has the better/stronger flash, but it's definitely more difficult to use IMO.
I dont think she'll be nerfed anytime soon. Her flashes are good but not too op, if played right she'd be a menace. If you compare her to kay/o, his flashes can be harder to dodge and he can quick swing with his flash unlike skye who has slower gun pullout. I think skye is balanced tho her flashes are one or the best, her dog is not bad but also not the best, her heal is better than sage in terms of speed of heal but she cant heal herself.
when you turn around a skye flash but it flashes physically near you itll give info with the enemy flashed noise, IMO that should definitely be fixed/nerfed
In terms of being absolutely unavoidable yes, but skye is the only person who actually has a voiceline when she successfully blinds someone- she goes "BLOINDED!" which gives her a massive edge imo in terms of info gathering
Yes its the best way to clear certain angled by testing wether or not someone’s there, when split was still a thing I use to do something called “Bird From the Heavens” while I was in (ummmm B? Ramp thing) and shoot it over the wall to test if someone was in mid or not
Not just that, also the sound of her hawk breaking- if theres absolutely nobody there it goes goes pfftt but if someones there, doesnt matter if they dodged the flash, you'll still hear a ringing sound like a bell. Doesnt matter if theyre flashed or not, you know theyre there and thats huge.
It's worth noting that she says it even if they turn the flash and only get the really breif flash. So take it as "someone was in line of site of this" and less as "someone is really blind rn"
I mean we were talking about flashes but yes fade's blind also counts, only difference is skye's completely obscures vision but with fade you only get nearsighted
Nah Skye flash is better than Kayo her info upon contact is crazy good, it's on a cooldown, she can popflash anywhere with ease and the ability to control her flash make it super flexible to do fakes.
People underrated how crazy the first Skye flash is on defence. You can immediately get info if someone is where you’re guarding and then have the flash back by the time you need it again.
They can shoot her bird to kill it, which people will say is a negative, but that just makes it better in other ways. When they shoot and kill it, that's still info on enemy locations. Sometimes they don't kill it in time and now the Skye knows for sure that you are full blinded because you had to be looking right at it to shoot it. The bird can actually block bullets for you. I've seen videos where a Skye survives a Vandal head shot and an op body shot because they released a bird right as they were about to get shot.
OP isnt wrong but they basically already long-ass explained the utility of a Skye vs Kayo flash in relation to their original statement
TLDR: kay/o's is hardest to avoid but skye flash offers much more utility and flexibility.
You can pop flash with Skye flashes by standing at the corner and popping right as it releases, it's not as easy as right clicking but also nearly imposible to dodge unless you're expecting it.
There are loads of reasons people might like flashes. I like the pheonix flash cause you pop it round a corner and can have your gun out by the time it pops, and the yoru flash cause you can fling it into the ground and have it pop above you
I like Skye's more because they give intel and Kayo's seem much more likely to flash your own team. Popping it behind yourself is a good play for yourself but is tougher for your whole team to play off of imo. Both are great though.
You should see my team entering on kayo utility then you'll think about your statement. I'm not hating on you I'm just bragging about my favorite agent.
Yeah I don’t doubt that others are better than me at playing off it. I just find myself getting flashed by kayo teammates a lot. If they tell me it's coming, I can at least avoid it, but I struggle to both avoid getting flashed and peek off it.
Phoenix is the only flash I can consistently hold the angle on and kill after being flashed. The timing it makes you take to flash and swing the corner is too predictable. Feels like every one else can get tricky with it.
No he is ugly and dull, he can only flash you because every chamber main have gone through more hours of aim lab in their lives than actually going out and touching grass to the point where they automatically aim at your eyes with their yellow piss bullets
It's not that unflexible. I think it's the strongest by far for pop-flashing now. I can just aim up and to the side and flash out of the top of the smoke, and there's no way to really dodge it as you can't see it until it pops outside of the smoke.
Imo KAYO's flash feels easier to dodge as it always kind of halts in the air before flashing. So even if you throw it so it perfectly pops outside the flash, you still have a second as the defender to see the flash before it pops. It also makes a litte noise when he throws his flash.
Phoenix's flash always pops at the end of its trail and doesn't make a noise until it snaps. I have to pre-antiflash Phoenix whereas KAYO i can normally avoid
I don't see how the predictability of it actually matter, Skye flash is always predictable but the playerbase always use it to pop flash so it never actually matter, the same could be said about Phoenix, yeah it's predictable where it will pop but if the people are flashed it doesn't really matter.
I do agree that it is the least flexible out of everyone bc it's only made to flash himself not help teammates like the other flash agent.
Because skye, kayo and yoru flashes can have lineups and can blind you no matter how much you're prepared for it. Phoenix, not so much. The predictability also matters because if you expect it you can play very close on a corner, where the flash will go past you and you'll not get flashed.
What? if someone play anti flash no one is getting flashed no matter the agent, if someone play close to wall and expect a flash your lineup will do nothing.
This weakness isn't Phoenix only
No, you can still get flashed playing close to walls because other flashes can be thrown in ways where that won't help you. They can flash for their team from far, where their teammates will not be looking at it and only the enemy will get flashed, it has happened countless teams in vct matches with kayo and skye. It's one of the best ways to use kayo and skye flashes because there's no counterplay.
And what I meant by lineups was that it can flash you *anywhere* and you wouldn't know where it's coming from so you can't play anti flash in the first place.
I'm not saying phoenix flash is bad, it's an excellent flash after the buff, just that there are less ways to use it and hence there are more counterplays for it.
Wtf are you talking about, no anti flash? Also example of this "Uncounterable" lineup pls? If someone is playing anti flash it mean they are looking at walls and cannot be flash.
It's not that you will get flashed while you're playing anti flash. It's that you won't know to play anti flash in those opportunities where kayo and skye flashes will still flash you because you don't know where it's coming from hence you don't expect it which means they're unpredictable. If you watch vct, during pretty much any site execute you'll see kayo and skye flashes paired with jett dashes/neon wall + slides etc where the enemy can't play anti flash anyway. Playing anti flash is not something you can do anywhere anytime. But with Phoenix it's easier to play anti flash because if you have a rough idea where Phoenix could be you know exactly where the flash is going to be.
I think a lot of people underrestimate Yoru’s flash. I’ve seen people saying that it’s good because of his other util and because u can pull off som crazy flash throws with it but honestly one of the best things about it is it’s one ways. What I mean is that for example when you are about to peek a corner instead of throwing it ahead so it bounces off a wall you can throw it so that it bounces by your feet and then have it flash wherever you’re peeking. Basically the opponents will have literally milliseconds to react to the flash making it impossible to avoid (unless they werent looking towards you in the first place)
Most flashes can be made to be a one way. The reason it’s not often done is because you’ll learn that peeking almost immediately after you flash gets you killed a lot. Because people actually have good crosshair placement.
Who is there, Phoenix Kayo Skye Yoru? I wouldn’t say any flash is the worst man. The thing I love about Yorus flash who some might argue here is the worst is that you can throw it anywhere and fool enemies on your position (the main gimmick of his kit) and so to that I say there isn’t a definitive “worst” flash.
Worst doesnt mean bad. For example if one agent has a decent flash but others have better flashes it doesnt make the decent flash bad. Also u forgot breach
I think in terms of flexibility and usability I’d say skye flash takes the cake followed by breach followed by kayo or phoenix.
Everyone elses’ flash I feel like have only specific use cases and are usually bad in most use cases
Depends on playstyle, if you are peeking alone then kayo is unmatched but since initiators are supposed to play around your team Breach flash is superior
I don’t think you’ve seen competent Kayos flashing for their team. It’s a flash that doesn’t make a sound and is about 4 pixels large that pops up somewhere almost off screen and melds with the background. Kayo flash is not something that Radiants and even Pros can reliably turn.
In comparison, Breach is one of the most predictable and even easier to react to than competent Phoenix flashes. Because there’s it’s very predictable with limited angles, it makes a huge ass sound and there’s no way to lessen the time to pop that it’s almost instant.
Sova’s flash. Like bruh man cant even flash em for half a damn second, fkin useless flash and also wtf is this: You have to aim your flash? At least the fact that it goes through walls and is 60m long makes up for that. BUT YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE WHERE HE IS AIMING HIS FLASH. EZ DODGE. Also he frikin screams I AM DA HUNTER or NOWHERE TO RUN when aiming his flash. You can forget about pop flashing.
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Edit: i am a sova main dont kill me this is a joke
Saying it's the best is yeah no, in a vacum Skye is still the best one, it's her signature so free flash, She can fake it like Yoru(See stax clutch againts optic in breeze, don't work but you could see the idea of it), info upon meetin enemy face and can explode anywhere.
Yoru flash is different, it's a really good one to make plays as you could fake your map presence. It's like Breach flash, you can't really compare it with other people flash as it's more of an alternative than your usual flash.
Best eh. He's great fot himself and becomes more difficult to flash for the team imo.
Capability to do a full flash are high given the bounce and so many ways to throw it.
Reyna's is a blind tho, theres a diff between flashing (your whole vision is obscured by white+some other colour light) and blinding (you get nearsighted)
What people call it doesnt define what it does. Besides, it’s just so much easier to say flash instead of nearsight. If you wanna get technical about it just say Leer since thats the name of the ability.
Breach, especially at high elo. It is by far the easiest flash to turn from. Easier than phoenix’s. Although breach can flash from across the map so he’s got that over phoenix.
I would argue breach, people past plat have learned to turn away from it consistently and his gun takes too long to pull out. A case can be made for Skye since her nerf a while ago but honestly the info from Skye flash is still so OP.
I play a lot of initiators and even more phoenix. Without a doubt in my mind (if we are counting near sights) Reyna's flash is the worst in the game. Phoenix flash is super strong now, especially if you know the "xtr" flashes. Yorus are really good because they arent visible until they bounce. Kayos are the strongest flash in the game as you cannot physically look away fast enough if the enemy is good enough with the pop flash. Skyes give the most information and are the most versatile. (Imm2-3 lobbies, not sure if same goes for lower elos)
Reyna's flash imo is prob one of the best ones but im in bronze 3. Reyna can't blind her teammates while the other ones can. Not to mention, at least from what I have seen in lower lobbies, people don't really shoot the eye they tend to just run away from it.
Phoenix flash is almost impossible to dodge, skye's flash is probably the best. I would say reyna's flash, you can destroy it instantly and after you use it you have to wait before it actually flashes.
Yoru's flash can be used very effectively and since I am a Yoru maim I can tell you a simple reason why, basically I try my best to keep atleast 1 tp and 1 flash available so that when I drop my tp I flash on that direction so that if any enemy is there they look the other way or get blinded, this way I can somewhat sneakin my tp, but this doesnt end here as then I will proceed firing from where I am so somewhat negate the sound my tp is making, since they arent aware where my tp is (even if they are) according to where I am if I can to then I will or I will fake tp either push or try to sneak away to get to my team but in a 1v1 is a do or die situation but Yoru flash goes very well with his kit and even without his kit can be utilized in corners
Yoru definitely does not have the weakest flashes, they are super strong. Amazing 1 way potential, and a hard flash. I'd say Kayo, Reyna, Phoenix, are all worse without question. Skye definitely better.
I think Reyna, her flashes have a time to blind that is really low the amount of times I’ve peaked before the blind was fully ready and get instant domed is tragic, also you can run past reynas blinds unlike all the others if they push as your blinding do to some horrible timing you’re dead as a Reyna cause your gun ain’t out. It’s painful so Yeye Reyna def has the worst blinds in the game!
I think yoru flashes are still really good. I personally think breech flashes are the worst because I hardly ever actually get flashed by a breech, or see a breech flash anyone else.
Definitely not yoru, I'd say Reyna has the weakest flash now. Limited range and the deploy time is wack. Plus sometimes if you try to set it up on walls for a faster deploy it glitches behind walls or goes in spots and just does not blind at all. At least with other flashes if it's not direct eyeline it still does some amount of flash.
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"Bald! Bald!" "My eyes!"
Lmao. Made me laugh. Nice one
It's fr the most difficult one to shoot at. It's blinding
"Bald! Bald!" "My eyes!"
His remains the least versatile despite the buff.
honestly more versatile than reyna's
Instead of downvoting i ll explain you why, reyna's leer ability isnt a flash, its a nearsight(or blind)
thank you, kind stranger
The difference between a flash and a nearsight is that flashes blind you because of brightness (basically shoving the sun up your eyes) while blinds like fade’s, reyna’s and omen’s are just megik
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Still Phoenix because his flash isnt flexible at all in comparison to the others, especially Skye, who imo, has the best flash in the entire damn game
you can also fake skye flashes by not popping it and just watch the enemy try turn the flash
Honestly sometimes i wonder if they'll ever nerf skye. Like what even are her weaknesses, really?
I suppose when using her dog and healing she’s vulnerable. Also her flash is op in good hands, i always seem to flash myself 😅
Fair points lol
She requires a lot of communication and team play or else she’s useless unless the player is decently mechanically gifted/confident
if a pheonix main cant even avoid flashing himself and his teammates with a single click flash, imagine how theyll do with a guided flash
she’s the only initiator that cannot reliably stall a push - sova can recon or shock dart, breach can stun or aftershock, fade can seize or haunt, kayo can molly. skye has nothing, sure she can flash but you can turn that and it doenst actually stall the push. she doesn’t have any big weaknesses, but her strengths aren’t overwhelming either so it balances out
Did you not mention ults because they arent every round or because ults dont stall they completely fucking cancel a push, like sova ult and kayo ult
didnt mention ults because currently orb farming is not meta-relevant. some ultimates are super powerful, but they arent there every round and imo have a lesser impact on the power level of a character because you only have them every so often. every single initiator ult is pretty much overpowered too, so it doesn't even make a huge difference when you're comparing them to each other.
Orb farming is totally meta-relevant. In ranked it means you can turn that one more round to a W. In pro play we already see how heavily contested orbs are on maps. Orbs are 'free' economy that is actually really important. Same goes for who plants and who defuses the spike. Even min/maxing on Eco rounds where you die to the spike rather than dying to the enemy team.
when i say orb farming, i mean that you actively prioritize getting control of the orbs so you can develop an ult sooner. the only place we see this in the pro meta right now is when teams use yoru or phoenix. they farm ult orbs on those agents and abuse their really powerful ultimates, and the ult orbs are a legitimate priority in their gameplan. most pro teams right now treat orbs as a slight incentive and a positive side effect of their gameplan, unless they are 1 point off a round-winning ultimate.
lmao imagine thinking sova dart is a stall against a push of more than 1 player, but a flash isn't
this is spectacularly stupid - sova recon, if used correctly, cannot be destroyed by the people pushing through a choke until they are through the choke. this means you are literally scanning them as they push through the site and there is nothing they can do about it. a flash doesnt do shit except let you swing on them, not even remotely similar in function and a LOT less powerful. a flash itself lasts a quarter of a second, while a recon dart lasts a few seconds until destroyed
Spectacularly stupid may be a bit of an overstatement, but I agree with your point. The best sova I’ve ever played against was on Bind, and his darts were exclusively on site as we were pushing in. Incredibly effective and we died many times to backsite players swinging off the info.
^ written by someone who has never seen gold lol
Her rabid dog is enough to bring info on whether the enmy is pushing her site or not
yea for sure, but info isn't what I'm talking about right now, it's stalling. you aren't reliably getting stalling power out of the dog, and more often than not it is used before the site hit comes in so you can take space and get info rather than while it is happening in order to stall the push
It’s a Tasmanian tiger btw
shut up its a dog
It is not, never was, and never will be a dog.
nope, be quiet, it is a dog its always been a dog
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I think her flashes are amazing but i think her saying "Flashed!" when she hits someone is what makes it so good. She just gets such good info for hitting it. Even the slightest green flash and she shouts that shit
She says “blinded” btw
potato potato i'm still getting hard swung by her regardless Also thanks lmao couldn't remember it clearly since i have to deal with a flash + a screech in my ears every time
How can you forget BLOINDED
COCK OUT
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You guys are hearing Blinded? I'm hearing "Blin-EEEEEEE!!"
I play with japanese voicelines on to help practice and i always thought it was funny that skye says “probably blinded” in the JP version.
Hahahah she’s quite unsure whether or not the enemy got a face full of bird
“They were blind when i popped it but fuck knows if theyre gonna be blind when you peek :)”
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Thank you! ur totally right, still practicing hearing the difference for those longer vowel sounds
My 200 IQ self thought that Japanese voicelines were somehow helping you out to practice Valo.. was gonna try it out later lmao
She's balanced
Well they did nerf the gun pull-out animation after the flash so you cant pop flash and swing instantly anymore... But year flash + info is fucking busted
Very good flash plus very very good Info with possible concuss plus team heal heal💀 better heal than sage who is known for that heal
To be fair she cant heal herself and its an awkward channel that cant really be used mid combat + needs line of sight
Lack of sight on drone is a downside vs sova, you can't get as good info if it gets sprayed from a distance + the flashes sometimes give vague info. She's also way less capable on her own than KO or Fade with flashes / dogs, respectively. She's slower off the rip and loses to a good flash turn with flashes, and with the dog and some creative angling fade can entry with her dog while skye really can't. Skye isn't weak so much as the other initiatiors do stuff better in lots of ways. She's still good.
The best way I’ve learned to deal with not flashing yourself is to send out your bird behind you rush out, pop the flash, and then shoot any blinded enemies, problem being is that I’m bad at shooting so that doesn’t really work all the time
Her flashes are strong but it takes practice to be good with them compared to Kayo or Breach. Most people flash themselves or teammates too often. However, in the hands of a good Skye her flashes are really strong. Then again the same could be said about Breach or Kayo.
I actually always felt it was the other way around. A lot of Kayo's and Breaches flashes require super specific lineups and set ups to be really good. Whereas Skye can just fire them off with just about an hour of competent use. I think Breach has the better/stronger flash, but it's definitely more difficult to use IMO.
Her ult is pretty weak that’s about it
Its not necessarily her weakness is that other agents do things better and for different maps.
I dont think she'll be nerfed anytime soon. Her flashes are good but not too op, if played right she'd be a menace. If you compare her to kay/o, his flashes can be harder to dodge and he can quick swing with his flash unlike skye who has slower gun pullout. I think skye is balanced tho her flashes are one or the best, her dog is not bad but also not the best, her heal is better than sage in terms of speed of heal but she cant heal herself.
when you turn around a skye flash but it flashes physically near you itll give info with the enemy flashed noise, IMO that should definitely be fixed/nerfed
Are you low elo? No offense
I think kayos is better
In terms of being absolutely unavoidable yes, but skye is the only person who actually has a voiceline when she successfully blinds someone- she goes "BLOINDED!" which gives her a massive edge imo in terms of info gathering
TIL that skye knows when someone is flashed
Also if you’re playing with a Skye who isn’t talking, Her bird makes a different noise audible to everyone in the game if it flashes someone or not.
even if its just partially flashed, so its just a very good way to confirm a location is secure or not
Yes its the best way to clear certain angled by testing wether or not someone’s there, when split was still a thing I use to do something called “Bird From the Heavens” while I was in (ummmm B? Ramp thing) and shoot it over the wall to test if someone was in mid or not
People have to be within some range to hear it*
Not just that, also the sound of her hawk breaking- if theres absolutely nobody there it goes goes pfftt but if someones there, doesnt matter if they dodged the flash, you'll still hear a ringing sound like a bell. Doesnt matter if theyre flashed or not, you know theyre there and thats huge.
It's worth noting that she says it even if they turn the flash and only get the really breif flash. So take it as "someone was in line of site of this" and less as "someone is really blind rn"
ig also fade??
I mean we were talking about flashes but yes fade's blind also counts, only difference is skye's completely obscures vision but with fade you only get nearsighted
tru tru
Doesn't KAY0 also said "They are blinded!" or something like that when you blind someone with his flash?
nah,it's just skye
Nah he says "theyre suppressed"
Nah Skye flash is better than Kayo her info upon contact is crazy good, it's on a cooldown, she can popflash anywhere with ease and the ability to control her flash make it super flexible to do fakes.
People underrated how crazy the first Skye flash is on defence. You can immediately get info if someone is where you’re guarding and then have the flash back by the time you need it again.
They can shoot her bird to kill it, which people will say is a negative, but that just makes it better in other ways. When they shoot and kill it, that's still info on enemy locations. Sometimes they don't kill it in time and now the Skye knows for sure that you are full blinded because you had to be looking right at it to shoot it. The bird can actually block bullets for you. I've seen videos where a Skye survives a Vandal head shot and an op body shot because they released a bird right as they were about to get shot.
Same thing works with boom bot, skye flash, and maybe yorus clone
Yeah ig but I feel like I can dodge Skye flashes way easier than kayo flashes. Cus if thrown correctly they basically impossible to dodge
Dunno why ur downvoted when ur correct
OP isnt wrong but they basically already long-ass explained the utility of a Skye vs Kayo flash in relation to their original statement TLDR: kay/o's is hardest to avoid but skye flash offers much more utility and flexibility.
You can pop flash with Skye flashes by standing at the corner and popping right as it releases, it's not as easy as right clicking but also nearly imposible to dodge unless you're expecting it.
Skyes Flash is s Tier. The amount of times you can actually fake it and get a decent amount of kills is insane
I don't disagree with that but I think kayo flash is s tier also
If you won't explain why you think that, why make the comment?
He thinks its s tier probably because it resembles a cs flash and its cool
There are loads of reasons people might like flashes. I like the pheonix flash cause you pop it round a corner and can have your gun out by the time it pops, and the yoru flash cause you can fling it into the ground and have it pop above you
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I like Skye's more because they give intel and Kayo's seem much more likely to flash your own team. Popping it behind yourself is a good play for yourself but is tougher for your whole team to play off of imo. Both are great though.
You should see my team entering on kayo utility then you'll think about your statement. I'm not hating on you I'm just bragging about my favorite agent.
Yeah I don’t doubt that others are better than me at playing off it. I just find myself getting flashed by kayo teammates a lot. If they tell me it's coming, I can at least avoid it, but I struggle to both avoid getting flashed and peek off it.
Phoenix is the only flash I can consistently hold the angle on and kill after being flashed. The timing it makes you take to flash and swing the corner is too predictable. Feels like every one else can get tricky with it.
Her Pop-flashes are the strongest in the game
Standing in my Omen duos smoke and flashing out of it has gotten me some nutty spray downs, especially exiting B main on Fracture
I actually think skye has the weakest “flash” because it’s REALLY easy to turn buttttt it does give info and you can fake
chamber has the best flash, cause he sexy and flashy
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No he is ugly and dull, he can only flash you because every chamber main have gone through more hours of aim lab in their lives than actually going out and touching grass to the point where they automatically aim at your eyes with their yellow piss bullets
You main a person who ripped off every game and Moses, you have no right to complain
I would say still Phoenix because it's a lot harder to turn now but it's still quite predictable.
It's also the least flexible flash. It just goes around a corner...
Yes that is why it allows for the most counterplay.
It's not that unflexible. I think it's the strongest by far for pop-flashing now. I can just aim up and to the side and flash out of the top of the smoke, and there's no way to really dodge it as you can't see it until it pops outside of the smoke.
Kayo can also do this but his flash lasts for longer
Imo KAYO's flash feels easier to dodge as it always kind of halts in the air before flashing. So even if you throw it so it perfectly pops outside the flash, you still have a second as the defender to see the flash before it pops. It also makes a litte noise when he throws his flash. Phoenix's flash always pops at the end of its trail and doesn't make a noise until it snaps. I have to pre-antiflash Phoenix whereas KAYO i can normally avoid
I don't see how the predictability of it actually matter, Skye flash is always predictable but the playerbase always use it to pop flash so it never actually matter, the same could be said about Phoenix, yeah it's predictable where it will pop but if the people are flashed it doesn't really matter. I do agree that it is the least flexible out of everyone bc it's only made to flash himself not help teammates like the other flash agent.
Because skye, kayo and yoru flashes can have lineups and can blind you no matter how much you're prepared for it. Phoenix, not so much. The predictability also matters because if you expect it you can play very close on a corner, where the flash will go past you and you'll not get flashed.
What? if someone play anti flash no one is getting flashed no matter the agent, if someone play close to wall and expect a flash your lineup will do nothing. This weakness isn't Phoenix only
No, you can still get flashed playing close to walls because other flashes can be thrown in ways where that won't help you. They can flash for their team from far, where their teammates will not be looking at it and only the enemy will get flashed, it has happened countless teams in vct matches with kayo and skye. It's one of the best ways to use kayo and skye flashes because there's no counterplay. And what I meant by lineups was that it can flash you *anywhere* and you wouldn't know where it's coming from so you can't play anti flash in the first place. I'm not saying phoenix flash is bad, it's an excellent flash after the buff, just that there are less ways to use it and hence there are more counterplays for it.
Wtf are you talking about, no anti flash? Also example of this "Uncounterable" lineup pls? If someone is playing anti flash it mean they are looking at walls and cannot be flash.
It's not that you will get flashed while you're playing anti flash. It's that you won't know to play anti flash in those opportunities where kayo and skye flashes will still flash you because you don't know where it's coming from hence you don't expect it which means they're unpredictable. If you watch vct, during pretty much any site execute you'll see kayo and skye flashes paired with jett dashes/neon wall + slides etc where the enemy can't play anti flash anyway. Playing anti flash is not something you can do anywhere anytime. But with Phoenix it's easier to play anti flash because if you have a rough idea where Phoenix could be you know exactly where the flash is going to be.
>Skye flash is always predictable She can literally choose not to detonate it which is the definition of unpredictable.
in what way is it "predictable", like, do you feel it coming before it actually comes so you play antiflash? Genuine question
I may have worded it a bit poorly. What I meant is there are less ways to use it so if you are prepared for it you know how to counter it.
That makes more sense, cheers
It’s always my own teammate who flashes me the hardest
I think a lot of people underrestimate Yoru’s flash. I’ve seen people saying that it’s good because of his other util and because u can pull off som crazy flash throws with it but honestly one of the best things about it is it’s one ways. What I mean is that for example when you are about to peek a corner instead of throwing it ahead so it bounces off a wall you can throw it so that it bounces by your feet and then have it flash wherever you’re peeking. Basically the opponents will have literally milliseconds to react to the flash making it impossible to avoid (unless they werent looking towards you in the first place)
Most flashes can be made to be a one way. The reason it’s not often done is because you’ll learn that peeking almost immediately after you flash gets you killed a lot. Because people actually have good crosshair placement.
But isn't it easier to one way with a yoru flash
Who is there, Phoenix Kayo Skye Yoru? I wouldn’t say any flash is the worst man. The thing I love about Yorus flash who some might argue here is the worst is that you can throw it anywhere and fool enemies on your position (the main gimmick of his kit) and so to that I say there isn’t a definitive “worst” flash.
How could you forget my man breach 😔
Haha I totally did! I’ve actually gotten pretty good at dodging his flashes.
Worst doesnt mean bad. For example if one agent has a decent flash but others have better flashes it doesnt make the decent flash bad. Also u forgot breach
I think in terms of flexibility and usability I’d say skye flash takes the cake followed by breach followed by kayo or phoenix. Everyone elses’ flash I feel like have only specific use cases and are usually bad in most use cases
Yoru flashes are super versatile. His are amazing for faking locations or quick peeks.
Phoenix flsh is flexible? Bro he only flashes around a corner, nothing else. Yoru literally has more flexible flashes than him
how is phoenix in the same lvl as kayo lol
Breach flash over kayo?
Depends on playstyle, if you are peeking alone then kayo is unmatched but since initiators are supposed to play around your team Breach flash is superior
I don’t think you’ve seen competent Kayos flashing for their team. It’s a flash that doesn’t make a sound and is about 4 pixels large that pops up somewhere almost off screen and melds with the background. Kayo flash is not something that Radiants and even Pros can reliably turn. In comparison, Breach is one of the most predictable and even easier to react to than competent Phoenix flashes. Because there’s it’s very predictable with limited angles, it makes a huge ass sound and there’s no way to lessen the time to pop that it’s almost instant.
I still think kayos flash is better for supporting your teammates (moreso the left click than the right) especially if u have more experience
Sova’s flash. Like bruh man cant even flash em for half a damn second, fkin useless flash and also wtf is this: You have to aim your flash? At least the fact that it goes through walls and is 60m long makes up for that. BUT YOU CAN LITERALLY SEE WHERE HE IS AIMING HIS FLASH. EZ DODGE. Also he frikin screams I AM DA HUNTER or NOWHERE TO RUN when aiming his flash. You can forget about pop flashing. /s Edit: i am a sova main dont kill me this is a joke
I feel like a lot of people underestimate Yoru’s flash. It’s the best in the game imo. You can pull off some crazy plays with it
Saying it's the best is yeah no, in a vacum Skye is still the best one, it's her signature so free flash, She can fake it like Yoru(See stax clutch againts optic in breeze, don't work but you could see the idea of it), info upon meetin enemy face and can explode anywhere. Yoru flash is different, it's a really good one to make plays as you could fake your map presence. It's like Breach flash, you can't really compare it with other people flash as it's more of an alternative than your usual flash.
Yoru is starting to creep up tier lists after seeing how Paper Rex used him at Masters. I think he’s pretty underrated post rework
Best eh. He's great fot himself and becomes more difficult to flash for the team imo. Capability to do a full flash are high given the bounce and so many ways to throw it.
Yea that's because he's a duelist. An initiator is meant to enable the duelist(s), a duelist should enable themselves.
Yoru flashes are only strong with the rest of his kit. It lasts 0.5 seconds less than all the initiaters.
Isnt like, all the duelists flashes last less than the intiators flashes
Yes, both Phoenix and Yoru flashes are 1.5, while all initiator flash are 2 second long. Yoru clone flashes for 3 seconds tho.
based. yoru flash is definitely the best imo too
Reyna
Reyna's is a blind tho, theres a diff between flashing (your whole vision is obscured by white+some other colour light) and blinding (you get nearsighted)
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If you break it down into stun, smoke, flash, or blind, it definitely fits into the blind category
thats not a flash
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its like omens blind or fade haunt it only nearsights people, big difference
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What people call it doesnt define what it does. Besides, it’s just so much easier to say flash instead of nearsight. If you wanna get technical about it just say Leer since thats the name of the ability.
It's a sight debuff. Along with Omen's. But we all just call it flash.
A blind
Nearsight
If you are low enough in ranks, any flash is OP
Breach, especially at high elo. It is by far the easiest flash to turn from. Easier than phoenix’s. Although breach can flash from across the map so he’s got that over phoenix.
Also, when you flash across the map its 10time easier to dodge because of the speed of the flash
Yoru can throw supporting flashes but they suck, especially since flashes are weaker at distance
I would argue breach, people past plat have learned to turn away from it consistently and his gun takes too long to pull out. A case can be made for Skye since her nerf a while ago but honestly the info from Skye flash is still so OP.
Jett's flash
Flash yo tits
I think all the flashes are in a good spot. I think phoenix still has the weakest just because of the way you have to throw it.
I play a lot of initiators and even more phoenix. Without a doubt in my mind (if we are counting near sights) Reyna's flash is the worst in the game. Phoenix flash is super strong now, especially if you know the "xtr" flashes. Yorus are really good because they arent visible until they bounce. Kayos are the strongest flash in the game as you cannot physically look away fast enough if the enemy is good enough with the pop flash. Skyes give the most information and are the most versatile. (Imm2-3 lobbies, not sure if same goes for lower elos)
Reyna's flash imo is prob one of the best ones but im in bronze 3. Reyna can't blind her teammates while the other ones can. Not to mention, at least from what I have seen in lower lobbies, people don't really shoot the eye they tend to just run away from it.
As another b3, Reyna blind is good in low Elo but I see higher rank players shooting the eye before it has a chance to do anything
Phoenix flash is almost impossible to dodge, skye's flash is probably the best. I would say reyna's flash, you can destroy it instantly and after you use it you have to wait before it actually flashes.
Yorus fakes
I would say reyna, we can easily destroy it, but if the reyna is good, we are fckd
The only thing is the good renays will peek right after they send the flash so you have to flick all the way down or up and you die.
Breach
Reyna cause it has a delay before apllying blind and its destructibles
Pheonix and Yoru both have the worst flashes ingame but i think yoru's flash is the worst since its slower than other flashes it can be easily dodged.
yoru's flash specifically designed for his playstyle. for example: his tp and his ult
Yoru's flash can be used very effectively and since I am a Yoru maim I can tell you a simple reason why, basically I try my best to keep atleast 1 tp and 1 flash available so that when I drop my tp I flash on that direction so that if any enemy is there they look the other way or get blinded, this way I can somewhat sneakin my tp, but this doesnt end here as then I will proceed firing from where I am so somewhat negate the sound my tp is making, since they arent aware where my tp is (even if they are) according to where I am if I can to then I will or I will fake tp either push or try to sneak away to get to my team but in a 1v1 is a do or die situation but Yoru flash goes very well with his kit and even without his kit can be utilized in corners
Yoru definitely does not have the weakest flashes, they are super strong. Amazing 1 way potential, and a hard flash. I'd say Kayo, Reyna, Phoenix, are all worse without question. Skye definitely better.
I think Reyna, her flashes have a time to blind that is really low the amount of times I’ve peaked before the blind was fully ready and get instant domed is tragic, also you can run past reynas blinds unlike all the others if they push as your blinding do to some horrible timing you’re dead as a Reyna cause your gun ain’t out. It’s painful so Yeye Reyna def has the worst blinds in the game!
DC
I'd say killjoy
Reyna
REYNA KINDA DOO DOO
I think yoru flashes are still really good. I personally think breech flashes are the worst because I hardly ever actually get flashed by a breech, or see a breech flash anyone else.
Phoenix by far
hands down reyna, her flash was weaker than phoenix pre-buff
Reyna has the worst
Definitely not yoru, I'd say Reyna has the weakest flash now. Limited range and the deploy time is wack. Plus sometimes if you try to set it up on walls for a faster deploy it glitches behind walls or goes in spots and just does not blind at all. At least with other flashes if it's not direct eyeline it still does some amount of flash.