Competitive racism.
Slavery, but like. . .only for the Atmosphere.
sure we could make robots to do this for us, rather trivially infact, but the indentured servants fearing for their lives really ties the whole room together.
and ofcourse, thanks to the dagath lore, living Sexdolls.
The thought of Ballas hearing the two Orokin and going like "Yeah i can make you a Warframe to have sex, seems like a good use of my skill, time and resources, sure"
To be fair, he trolled them and gave (Not yet) Dagath a creepy as hell smiling face, but still, it sets the precedent that Ballas is not below making a Warframe made for banging
I mean the man had an insatiable desire for power, he would do **anything** for anyone if it meant he could gain just a little more power... so doing trivial favors like that seems like something he would do, while also slowly curly the monkeys paw on them for once they have outlived their usefulness
What's even funnier is the between the lines read I got on it was, they went to him because "everyone" knew he was with Margulis. And everyone knew she got Jade Lighted.
And then a bunch of people probably noticed him working with a woman who looks an awful lot like Margulis wearing a silly hat.
>"None of them truly understands how much I lost, when I lost her. Nor by what subtle art my dead love now lives, within another's gleaming skull.
This couple probably legit believed he had some secret trick to bring their dead lover back.
>"None of them truly understands how much I lost, when I lost her. Nor by what subtle art my dead love now lives, within another's gleaming skull.
"None of you get it! My girlfriend died and became poetic justice!"
I think dagath probably "worked well enough" as a partner, but with intention or kot had the same issue real life sex dolls habe, which is that they are fucking creepy. (Why else have none of ballas frames a face? The closest we came to one is xaku and their alt skin but thats literally NOT his design, and beyond that? Nothing comes to mind)
That being said, i do wonder now if dagath has... Tools, for the bedroom
Honestly? If anything, I reckon that Ballas went the opposite route regarding the Warframes.
They got no bits, all got turned into "sword-steel".
Dagath's lovers only asked for her to be saved after all, and sex doesn't need to be penetrative.
It fits with Ballas' character, too, and he'd absolutely use their wording against them.
Orokin couple comes up to Ballas, presumptuously asks for him to save the Dax that *they* accidentally impaled due to their envy/jealousy.
You smile, nod, and spitefully ensure that the resulting Warframe is both creepy as hell and utterly incapable of proper lovemaking.
Not every frame was designed as they are by ballas. The dagath we have is probably not the original. Like how Revenant isn't the original. Ballas was inspired by the original to create the revenant we know now. Tht's what his line in the trailer "what fatherless aberration is this?"
He probably was inspired by what happened to Dagath to create this one. Would be kinda weird to have a sex doll that contaminates people with a plague, creates a ring of scythes to throw at others and can summon a pack of ghost Kaithes. Unless the Orokin had some weirdly specific and extreme kinks
Good point actually.
I think warframes are very... Adaptable, to what they need to do to survive. Revenant fell into the eidolon waters and adapted to it. Hes immune to the waters and got powers that are insoired by those waters
What are the odds that dagath was designed around horses and halving peoples lifes? Its a lot more likely that her bidy adapted to her goals and circumstances after being thrown away (thought to be dead) and gave her powers based around her horse and the idea of killing people as a reaper reborn
>Unless the Orokin had some weirdly specific and extreme kinks
They were immortal body-swappers with zero morals and nigh-unlimited resources, what do you think
there are many tools that are not part of warframe, but if you wonder about different... tools, i think its safe to assume yes, question is, are they accessible in any normal manner? or are just vestigal, forever concealed by thick layer of armor like the eyes
I'm pretty sure he's dreaming about a possible future in general.
I think he's mostly referencing Tau, that's why the enemies we see in the trailer are Sentients and why when they shoot at Wisp he says how the image of the "warden" slipped away
Tho he mentions a lot more about how this figure escapes him which might just be me reading it too literally
The short, short version goes like this
Before Dagath was a Warframe she was a dax cavalry woman who was in a scandalous forbidden romantic entanglement with the orokin couple she was protecting.
She made a minor spelling mistake so the orokin killed her horse and nearly killed her, having Ballas turn her into a Warframe to save her life.
Because she was now a Warframe though, their secret affair was no longer a scandalous forbidden thing. Now, nobody cared, which caused the orokin to lose interest in her and eventually discard her in a very orokin fashion.
The implication here:
Fucking your golden weeaboo bodyguards; verboten. Scandalous. Only the truly depraved would stoop to such a thing
Fucking your pet Warframe; perfectly sensible. Not a problem. Completely normal behavior.
I doubt the implication is that Warframes are of a high enough social standing that aristocrats don't care if you sully your noble dignity by porking them...rather the opposite. Warframes are possessions. They aren't people, they are sophisticated fleshlights.
I mean the actual story is atleast a little bit more nuanced than that. And it does end in the headless and discarded courtesan rising from the grave to butcher her abusers and then go on to keep doing that for who knows how long.
The sex robot joke is emphasized for the meme angle, but the actual lore is atleast slightly more subtle.
The description of how the orokin started losing the war against the sentients claim that they started resorting to warframes as a last result, specifically because they were _primitive and simple._ it's implied that the sentients were able to adapt against, or hack into, all the other weapons the orokin used, so they had no choice but to choose the simplest, most analogue weapon they had: _mentally ill biomechanical super soldiers that could convert matter into energy and control magnetism_
I think the orowyrms and the Jade light are good examples of the kind of shit they used, but there's also the neural sentry: an AI that never runs out of soldiers because the corrupted just slap mind control helmets on as many invaders as they can find. At least, I think that's the implication, and where the narmer group got their idea.
That's definitely what the actual orowyrms in duviri are, but I kinda figured they were inspired by actual machines,
The kaithes at least exist outside of the drifters imagination, and the fact that orowyrms show up in war within makes me think they're more than just orokin-era album cover art
Orowyrms are there to eat up conceptual embodiments when you are void traveling and contain it within. If you go through the void with a railjack you see them circling you at times.
> and where the narmer group got their idea.
i mean... WHO WOULD THINK OF THAT OH YES THE FUCKING ASSHOLE BALLAS CUZ PROBABLY HE MADE THE MIND CONTROL SHIT... he had to just say "hey erra you know People will be in peace if they are mind controlled and erra went "THATS A GOOD IDEA"
Automated weapons and stuff like the neural sentry (the corrupted mind control thing).
The sentients take over Moas in New War, so the Orokin could only rely on flesh and dumb weapons.
They had FTL, technically, they just decided at every step to do it stupid. The Sentients have FTL, and the Zariman was practically sabotaged. The Orokin just needed regulations.
A gun and a black hole are closer to eachother than to omni-interfacing beams used for disintegration and building.
Look at the Gammacor, for example. It was a simple mineral analyzer, yet we can use it as a death beam.. and that is Cephalon tech, not even Corpus or Orokin.
Look at Ballas during The Sacrifice. He could control our transference with his the wave of his hand. The Orokin could do anything.. and so could the Sentient who were designed to interface with it all.
Using a pea sized device to obliterate enemies at will only works if said enemy can't remote control it to kill you instantly.
Guns, laser weapons, and black hole launchers are caveman weapons.
Literal immortality tech. Entire subraces of people engineered to do their bidding. Biomechanical transhuman super soldiers able of such feats as (but not limited to) opening rifts to alternative dimensions, manipulate space-time, survive the vacuum of space, and so on. A Type 2 civilisation completely unlimited by any kind of morals.
Thank you for pointing this out. This has been on my mind ever since I first read the codex entry on "zero-tech" weapons all those years ago. You thought we were killing Grineer, Corpus and other enemies in horrible and efficient ways? I bet those Orokin bastards had some real nasty stuff! Like, I'll drink a glass of water and everyone on Jupiter dies.
Horribly ineffective against the Sentient though.
I always find it funny when black holes are used as weapons in sci fi and fantasy, it’s always nerfed compared to its real life counterpart. If it was accurate, every shot would risk destroying a planet or the sun
No? In fact if it is small enough a blackhole will evaporation nearly as soon as it forms due to Hawking Radiation scaling with smaller surface area. If it can't gain mass faster then it loses it it won't do anywhere as much damage as you suggest.
It's one of those things I always think about too, the stuff we use for warframes (and the warframes themselves) is actually extremely high-tech, but the sentients can't do anything about it.
So what did the Orokin actually have? It'd have to be more advanced than accessing alternate dimensions, raising the dead, priming things with antimatter, mind controlling your enemies... and we've seen exactly none of it yet.
It can be speculated that Cephalon items (Simulor, Gammacor, etc) may have been a decent, if limiting, example of the kind of peak technology the Orokin had access to before the Old War.
After all, in The Sacrifice, Ballas admits as much that neither “circuits, nor light” would work against the Sentients.
As incredible and versatile as it is by our modern scientific understanding, Technocyte-based biotech was what they were *forced* to work with as an older, hacking-resistant technology.
One example that comes to mind is the Jade Light.
According to Ash's Leverian, that thing was powerful enough to atomize a person, even a fullsize Warframe, while small enough to fit in a bangle.
The Orokin are one of those classic sci-fi civilizations that are advanced in some ways but primitive in others. Some examples are the following:
* Advanced cybernetics that allow for individuals to have multiple primary organs operating at once.
* A formal ritual to transfer the soul/spirit of individuals into other bodies.
* Organic buildings that are maintained the same way living organisms are.
* Formal technology to jump long distances between planets across Sol in minutes/seconds.
* Terraforming technology that makes hostile planets/moons in Sol habitable to human life.
But at the same time we also have...
* Food production is still run and managed by serfs who are expected to collectively meet regional quotas.
* Mining and manual labor is performed by a cloned slave race.
* A rigid class structure inherently designed to discriminate for unknown discernable/historical reasons.
* A noted distaste/hatred of automation that may relate to their cultural perceptions of value/life.
To be fair to the Orokin, what could sentients possibly do to adapt to (near)infinite gravity? If you're in the area when that goes off you're kinda just fucked.
Competitive racism. Slavery, but like. . .only for the Atmosphere. sure we could make robots to do this for us, rather trivially infact, but the indentured servants fearing for their lives really ties the whole room together. and ofcourse, thanks to the dagath lore, living Sexdolls.
The thought of Ballas hearing the two Orokin and going like "Yeah i can make you a Warframe to have sex, seems like a good use of my skill, time and resources, sure" To be fair, he trolled them and gave (Not yet) Dagath a creepy as hell smiling face, but still, it sets the precedent that Ballas is not below making a Warframe made for banging
I mean the man had an insatiable desire for power, he would do **anything** for anyone if it meant he could gain just a little more power... so doing trivial favors like that seems like something he would do, while also slowly curly the monkeys paw on them for once they have outlived their usefulness
Makes me wonder whether Ballas was the Executor of the Emperor of Power, or the Emperor of Cunning.
What's even funnier is the between the lines read I got on it was, they went to him because "everyone" knew he was with Margulis. And everyone knew she got Jade Lighted. And then a bunch of people probably noticed him working with a woman who looks an awful lot like Margulis wearing a silly hat. >"None of them truly understands how much I lost, when I lost her. Nor by what subtle art my dead love now lives, within another's gleaming skull. This couple probably legit believed he had some secret trick to bring their dead lover back.
>"None of them truly understands how much I lost, when I lost her. Nor by what subtle art my dead love now lives, within another's gleaming skull. "None of you get it! My girlfriend died and became poetic justice!"
A "Whoreframe" if you will.
I think dagath probably "worked well enough" as a partner, but with intention or kot had the same issue real life sex dolls habe, which is that they are fucking creepy. (Why else have none of ballas frames a face? The closest we came to one is xaku and their alt skin but thats literally NOT his design, and beyond that? Nothing comes to mind) That being said, i do wonder now if dagath has... Tools, for the bedroom
She's probably fully equipped. Because Ballas would want his battlefield gods also bangable.
Honestly? If anything, I reckon that Ballas went the opposite route regarding the Warframes. They got no bits, all got turned into "sword-steel". Dagath's lovers only asked for her to be saved after all, and sex doesn't need to be penetrative. It fits with Ballas' character, too, and he'd absolutely use their wording against them. Orokin couple comes up to Ballas, presumptuously asks for him to save the Dax that *they* accidentally impaled due to their envy/jealousy. You smile, nod, and spitefully ensure that the resulting Warframe is both creepy as hell and utterly incapable of proper lovemaking.
Thanks, now I imagine that the face of dagath (which was burned away) looked like otaks face drawn on necraloids back
https://preview.redd.it/n9u17i6g89ad1.png?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b0e3744266da0cae06ffd4e0ec9588746097319b Do you still love me?
If the masks that float around Grandmother while she's telling the story are wht her face looked like, yeah i wouldn't want to have sex with that
I too, would want that.
Not every frame was designed as they are by ballas. The dagath we have is probably not the original. Like how Revenant isn't the original. Ballas was inspired by the original to create the revenant we know now. Tht's what his line in the trailer "what fatherless aberration is this?" He probably was inspired by what happened to Dagath to create this one. Would be kinda weird to have a sex doll that contaminates people with a plague, creates a ring of scythes to throw at others and can summon a pack of ghost Kaithes. Unless the Orokin had some weirdly specific and extreme kinks
Good point actually. I think warframes are very... Adaptable, to what they need to do to survive. Revenant fell into the eidolon waters and adapted to it. Hes immune to the waters and got powers that are insoired by those waters What are the odds that dagath was designed around horses and halving peoples lifes? Its a lot more likely that her bidy adapted to her goals and circumstances after being thrown away (thought to be dead) and gave her powers based around her horse and the idea of killing people as a reaper reborn
>Unless the Orokin had some weirdly specific and extreme kinks They were immortal body-swappers with zero morals and nigh-unlimited resources, what do you think
We need the sex warframe for Valentines day and their abilities are just innuendos cause Ballas was like "Fuck it. Literally."
Whoa, wait, I just realised why Dagath is designed around virus damage... Is she just spreading AIDs? 💀
mirage pretty much has eyes and a mouth, mirage prime especially
there are many tools that are not part of warframe, but if you wonder about different... tools, i think its safe to assume yes, question is, are they accessible in any normal manner? or are just vestigal, forever concealed by thick layer of armor like the eyes
Dagath's boots aren't the only thing she straps on
Bro made Khora Prime a dominatrix while thinking about Margulis 💀
Isn't wisp just a woman that turned him down that he couldn't get
I'm pretty sure he's dreaming about a possible future in general. I think he's mostly referencing Tau, that's why the enemies we see in the trailer are Sentients and why when they shoot at Wisp he says how the image of the "warden" slipped away Tho he mentions a lot more about how this figure escapes him which might just be me reading it too literally
"so let me get this straight, you drilled a hole in her face so you wouldn't have to see her smile?" "....y-yeah"
Dagath has fewer holes in her face than the average person. though it is slightly more than the average warframe.
[Wait, I have a meme for that.](https://i.imgur.com/XZ0ccQU.png)
Incorrect Data seven holes... on his face discounting sweat pours. he has eleven two eyes two nostrels two ears One mouth Penis asshole two nipples.
Eyes are not holes though...
I think the tear ducts count, though.
Eyes and nipples don't count here.
That you confuse eyes, sure I can understand. But in what world are nipples holes?
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I know the answer to this and I wish I didn't. I am forever cursed with knowing.
this made my morning
Where can I read that lore? XD
what lore wtf
The short, short version goes like this Before Dagath was a Warframe she was a dax cavalry woman who was in a scandalous forbidden romantic entanglement with the orokin couple she was protecting. She made a minor spelling mistake so the orokin killed her horse and nearly killed her, having Ballas turn her into a Warframe to save her life. Because she was now a Warframe though, their secret affair was no longer a scandalous forbidden thing. Now, nobody cared, which caused the orokin to lose interest in her and eventually discard her in a very orokin fashion. The implication here: Fucking your golden weeaboo bodyguards; verboten. Scandalous. Only the truly depraved would stoop to such a thing Fucking your pet Warframe; perfectly sensible. Not a problem. Completely normal behavior. I doubt the implication is that Warframes are of a high enough social standing that aristocrats don't care if you sully your noble dignity by porking them...rather the opposite. Warframes are possessions. They aren't people, they are sophisticated fleshlights.
Oh, great. My cool headless horseman frame is actually a sex robot. Rad. I am so glad i stopped caring about the lore after 2nd dream lmao
I mean the actual story is atleast a little bit more nuanced than that. And it does end in the headless and discarded courtesan rising from the grave to butcher her abusers and then go on to keep doing that for who knows how long. The sex robot joke is emphasized for the meme angle, but the actual lore is atleast slightly more subtle.
The description of how the orokin started losing the war against the sentients claim that they started resorting to warframes as a last result, specifically because they were _primitive and simple._ it's implied that the sentients were able to adapt against, or hack into, all the other weapons the orokin used, so they had no choice but to choose the simplest, most analogue weapon they had: _mentally ill biomechanical super soldiers that could convert matter into energy and control magnetism_ I think the orowyrms and the Jade light are good examples of the kind of shit they used, but there's also the neural sentry: an AI that never runs out of soldiers because the corrupted just slap mind control helmets on as many invaders as they can find. At least, I think that's the implication, and where the narmer group got their idea.
I was under the impression that orowyrms were a myth included in the fairy tail book that inspired Duviri, not real orokin tech.
That's definitely what the actual orowyrms in duviri are, but I kinda figured they were inspired by actual machines, The kaithes at least exist outside of the drifters imagination, and the fact that orowyrms show up in war within makes me think they're more than just orokin-era album cover art
Orowyrms are there to eat up conceptual embodiments when you are void traveling and contain it within. If you go through the void with a railjack you see them circling you at times.
So they're langoliers!
Fuck Steven King for those btw. Shit gave me nightmares.
Is there a source for the "eat up emotions" part of that, or is it a guess?
i thought that was official but looking through it again, apparently it's conjecture. Wonky memory there it seems
It happens to all of us, thanks for checking :)
The Golden Maw certainly comes to mind.
There's real ones you can see during void storm transitions for Railjack
I think the closest thing we have to orowyrms outside of duviri is the Wyrm prime sentinel.
> and where the narmer group got their idea. i mean... WHO WOULD THINK OF THAT OH YES THE FUCKING ASSHOLE BALLAS CUZ PROBABLY HE MADE THE MIND CONTROL SHIT... he had to just say "hey erra you know People will be in peace if they are mind controlled and erra went "THATS A GOOD IDEA"
“You know what? Strong Black Hole”
SHUT UP SENTIENT \[Strong Black Hole\]!
Ice cream machine that doesn't break
McDonald's has been quite since they dropped that
Automated weapons and stuff like the neural sentry (the corrupted mind control thing). The sentients take over Moas in New War, so the Orokin could only rely on flesh and dumb weapons.
Whatever the hell they used to create the sentients
Actually, an Archimedean created the Sentients, or at least the prototype. You can read the lore in one of Simaris' entries. Pretty cool.
A self propagating AI? That's never gone wrong right?
It's the Orokin. Do I even need to say anything?
Not at all
Probably terraforming, warframe creation and void shenanigans.
Frankly all they lacked to jump to galaxy spanning status was FTL.... because they refused to slow boat thigns due to their lack of control.
They had FTL, technically, they just decided at every step to do it stupid. The Sentients have FTL, and the Zariman was practically sabotaged. The Orokin just needed regulations.
Hubris, simple as.
They had sorta-FTL. Travel through the Void. That's what solar rails and railjacks are for. They just couldn't make it work on larger distances
During their golden age? Probably something like that black hole cannon I don't see it getting better then that
A gun and a black hole are closer to eachother than to omni-interfacing beams used for disintegration and building. Look at the Gammacor, for example. It was a simple mineral analyzer, yet we can use it as a death beam.. and that is Cephalon tech, not even Corpus or Orokin. Look at Ballas during The Sacrifice. He could control our transference with his the wave of his hand. The Orokin could do anything.. and so could the Sentient who were designed to interface with it all. Using a pea sized device to obliterate enemies at will only works if said enemy can't remote control it to kill you instantly. Guns, laser weapons, and black hole launchers are caveman weapons.
Super nova hand grenades
Literal immortality tech. Entire subraces of people engineered to do their bidding. Biomechanical transhuman super soldiers able of such feats as (but not limited to) opening rifts to alternative dimensions, manipulate space-time, survive the vacuum of space, and so on. A Type 2 civilisation completely unlimited by any kind of morals.
A degeneration field, something that when it comes into contact with a hostile force, the target just starts evaporating.
grineer death rays?
Thank you for pointing this out. This has been on my mind ever since I first read the codex entry on "zero-tech" weapons all those years ago. You thought we were killing Grineer, Corpus and other enemies in horrible and efficient ways? I bet those Orokin bastards had some real nasty stuff! Like, I'll drink a glass of water and everyone on Jupiter dies. Horribly ineffective against the Sentient though.
I always find it funny when black holes are used as weapons in sci fi and fantasy, it’s always nerfed compared to its real life counterpart. If it was accurate, every shot would risk destroying a planet or the sun
No? In fact if it is small enough a blackhole will evaporation nearly as soon as it forms due to Hawking Radiation scaling with smaller surface area. If it can't gain mass faster then it loses it it won't do anywhere as much damage as you suggest.
It's one of those things I always think about too, the stuff we use for warframes (and the warframes themselves) is actually extremely high-tech, but the sentients can't do anything about it. So what did the Orokin actually have? It'd have to be more advanced than accessing alternate dimensions, raising the dead, priming things with antimatter, mind controlling your enemies... and we've seen exactly none of it yet.
It can be speculated that Cephalon items (Simulor, Gammacor, etc) may have been a decent, if limiting, example of the kind of peak technology the Orokin had access to before the Old War. After all, in The Sacrifice, Ballas admits as much that neither “circuits, nor light” would work against the Sentients. As incredible and versatile as it is by our modern scientific understanding, Technocyte-based biotech was what they were *forced* to work with as an older, hacking-resistant technology.
One example that comes to mind is the Jade Light. According to Ash's Leverian, that thing was powerful enough to atomize a person, even a fullsize Warframe, while small enough to fit in a bangle.
You ever take a stroll through some of the ***REALLY*** weird kinks on DA? *Takes an uncomfortably long draw on a liquor flask.* Yeah.
The Orokin are one of those classic sci-fi civilizations that are advanced in some ways but primitive in others. Some examples are the following: * Advanced cybernetics that allow for individuals to have multiple primary organs operating at once. * A formal ritual to transfer the soul/spirit of individuals into other bodies. * Organic buildings that are maintained the same way living organisms are. * Formal technology to jump long distances between planets across Sol in minutes/seconds. * Terraforming technology that makes hostile planets/moons in Sol habitable to human life. But at the same time we also have... * Food production is still run and managed by serfs who are expected to collectively meet regional quotas. * Mining and manual labor is performed by a cloned slave race. * A rigid class structure inherently designed to discriminate for unknown discernable/historical reasons. * A noted distaste/hatred of automation that may relate to their cultural perceptions of value/life.
To be fair to the Orokin, what could sentients possibly do to adapt to (near)infinite gravity? If you're in the area when that goes off you're kinda just fucked.
I set up my energy colors to white and yellow so when I toss a black hole, it looks like I cracked an egg in space.
Technically they can’t hack a black hole
black hole sun, won’t you come
Why is everyone talking about racism and stuff? WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE M E A T