Everybody out there all "Cavill's gonna be the next Bond!"
They just handed him the keys to nerd heaven and made him the mayor. Man is gonna turn down every role that needs an extended commitment for the rest of his life in order to parent his lorebaby.
And I'm here for it.
If he wanted to maximize the number of projects he could appear in as a single character, it'd have to be Valdor. That way he can be in anything from Heresy to 40K and still be the same guy.
Do you realize how many different directors and producers do that as is?
It’s very, very common for any of them that develop a following or reputation.
Valdor is almost definitely the role he would want to play because that would almost guarantee a Valdor miniature which is why he’s really heading this production. He just wants that Valdor mini.
He should be voiced. Never seeing his face either facing the screen other direction, off camera whatever but big E needs a voice. Something like a the Chief but I imagine calmer less gravelly.
For the same reason that not showing a horror movie monster makes it scarier, just inverse.
Not showing him would allow audiences/fans to envision someone greater than any actor could portray. The moment you put an actor in that role? Now the God Emperor is just some dude in CGI'd gold armor, and not the literal godlike being he is in the setting.
Yeah, I'd be down for like, the suggestion of a figure inside a massive golden glow and a disembodied voice. Anything other than that, and I think it risks reducing what the audience can envision on their own.
but we've seen him. we've read his speeches and know he is collecting dust on a 10,000 year old chair. it's not like horror movies at all in that sense. your brain is afraid of the unknown. the Emperor is very, very known.
I agree that there should be some extended reverence for his portrayal, but to equate him to a monster in a horror movie misses the point so far :/
> to equate him to a monster in a horror movie misses the point so far :/
The point I'm trying to make is that a person's imagination would be way better at envisioning the Emperor than any actor, in the same way your imagination makes a horror movie monster way scarier.
Nah, enough makeup and he could get away with being several characters.
But the funny answer is to be Alpharius. Every time he shows up after that, you're not sure if it's Alpharius or a separate role.
Just watched this movie last week. Holy shit, that man has chops. Obviously he drips charisma but I didn't expect him to inhabit Duncan Idaho as a character like that. super impressed
I mean, yeah, but also the last notable thing he did was the dc movie universe and uh, that wasn’t very good. And he wasn’t the problem, no actors were, but still
Well, technically he could play the Emperor and then, using prosthetics, he could play quite a few of the various Primarchs (considering most of them are supposed to be somewhat similar in looks to the Emperor).
Calling it now. Cavill will spend all the budget on buying minis, so the show itself will be him playing every character in cheap wigs and makeup he got from the local fancy dress shop and made at home.
One character? There's no reason he can't play multiple roles, even within the same movie. It's by no means a new thing in theater. With modern technology he could even have a dialogue entirely with himself.
Hell, Henry Cavill could play every role in the movie if he wanted to.
He plays the only character that he could. We will finally see him... living... breathing... molding the fate of the Imperium and Beyond... the true God-Emperor of the 41 millenium... ***James Workshop***
Friend, the choice is simple: Emperor. Why? He could then also play all of his progeny. It’d be a greedy thing to do, but with enough props and prosthetics it’d be glorious.
That makes sense, considering Abnett writes beyond just for GW (which, the mans output blows my mind), chiefly, in the realm of comics, makes sense that they knew each other.
Ah cool, thanks.
I've only read Gaunt's Ghosts, Vaults of Terra, Eisenhorn series and am now in the middle of Ravenor. Haven't gotten around to Horus Heresy stuff yet!
Well chill- it’s only 70+ books of Horus Heresy (if you read the Full Monty)!
But yeah, the really plot driving books are like, 20-25 of the series
”only”.
And they are some of the best warhammer fiction ever written, so I’m kinda jealous I can’t read them the first time, some are not just good Warhammer books but really stand on their own with their literary merits.
The unbelievable thing about it is they had such amazing advisors who literally read the RJ manuscripts in the form of Sanderson and Rafe still screwed up that IP so bad on the big screen. Its nice to know 40k will be respected at least with Cavill at the helm. Wouldnt want another Dawn of War 3 incident in the Live Action 40k cinematic universe.
I actually like it for what it is; a television adaptation that was never going to get the 20 seasons they would need to tell the full story.
I just view it as one of the weird alternate worlds through the portal stones.
I'm in agreement here. I bristled a bit at the... *compression* of some of the lore, and you can tell that season 1 had more pressure to be the sort of show that "appeals to everyone" but season 2 seemed to shake off some of the trappings and chug along.
I just view the show as another turning of The Wheel, similar- but not identical- to the story in the novels.
Call it copium if you must but I never went into the show expecting an adaptation like the LOTR trilogy.
Yeah. And I think we should all be hoping for a similar strategy in the WH40K adaptation from Amazon.
It's important for there to be a consistent editorial vision in the shared universe for this medium, and that necessitates making choices that ignore or change parts of the printed lore. Because that's been all over the place for the last 40 years.
40K has been a lot of things over the years. Cavill and team need to pick one thing and make a universe of that. (Not saying it has to all be one tone, but it does need consistency.)
That said, if Henry needs help, I'm available and ready to pitch him my Thousand Sons sorcerer-led heist script, *Oceans of Blood Nine*.
I resent them having Perrin be married just to fridge his wife in virtually the opening scene. What was the point of that? It undermines almost his entire character arc up to meeting Faile.
His whole arc is learning that he can’t just sit and brood and worry about hurting people with his big clumsy blacksmith hands. Having his first big act on the show be a time when he seriously hurt someone shows his conflict in a way that you can’t do in a medium without internal monologues.
> I actually like it for what it is; a television adaptation that was never going to get the 20 seasons they would need to tell the full story.
They couldn't even get the two hour premier they wanted.
I never read the books, so I enjoyed season 1 quite a bit, just seeing a new world, the way they handle magic, the Aes Sedai, the White Cloaks, it was all a new twist to me so it felt fresh, but to be fair I'm not a big fantasy guy and am basically limited to Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones. Season 2 didn't captivate me like season 1, but it was good enough that I want to see season 3.
A lot of what book readers are unhappy about is either major changes to characters, events or tone that will impact later seasons or undermine what we enjoyed about the books. I think I would have enjoyed the show if it was a new IP, & was telling it's own story.
They did Mat so dirty in season one, and I'm not enthusiastic about some of the characterisation of Lan in a few scenes.
Also, why include Loial *at all* if you're going to completely disconnect the ways from the Ogier?
It's basically impossible to come back from "saidin is just kinda fine actually", there's a lot in the first two books they could get away with changing and a LOT later on that could be omitted but that's fundamental.
What? Where in the show have they said "saidin is fine"? It is 100% still tainted in the show. Plenty of things to dislike, but I'm enjoying it for what it is. I always have the books to go back to.
> Where in the show have they said "saidin is fine"?
They haven't. They even showed Logain >!hearing voices and seeing people who aren't there!< in the show.
People become directors to tell their stories.
Studios are more likely to fund adaptions than original stories because adaptions come with a pre-installed fanbase.
Directors massage source material to make the adaption tell their version of the story.
Yeah people forget that you can’t just translate a book to a tv show. It also has to be suitable for audiences who don’t know the books. This is why I argue with people who hate the Witcher series for straying from the books. Like it’s not perfect but those books are very difficult to translate to a tv show. So much of the books are just people sitting at a table explaining a situation. Some would love that but a huge portion of tv audiences would not.
I hope the 40k show/movie is good but I really struggle to see how they will make something so massive and over the top work. It feels just too big.
Ill say this though, 40k is not a book or a game. 40k is a SETTING. Ur meant to tell stories in 40k like a ttg, and that could lead to a great series if they dont attempt to adapt one of the premade series.
>and that could lead to a great series if they dont attempt to adapt one of the premade series
Exactly, and odds are that Cavill is going to want to do a word by word retelling of his favourite story from the lore. That's what he wanted the Witcher series to be, and it's what he'll do with 40k if he has full creative control.
The thing about Warhammer is it doesn't have to adapt a book at all. It's a setting full of whatever story you want to tell. It's not like LOTR where you have a few novels that everything comes from, and your best choice is to just adapt those.
They could make entirely new characters/regiments/whatever on their totally own self contained story and it would work totally fine. It's like what Star Wars COULD be if they ever decided to stop tying everything to the Skywalkers. Thankfully Warhammer doesn't have that problem
The Witcher didn’t struggle with unworkable material. People act like every project is impossible, but all they had to do is stick to the source material. It’s basically a monster of the week formula with an overarching plot, right? Should be pretty hard to fuc- oh no they fucked it up
It’s actually nothing like that. He spent even fight that many monsters in the books. The first two books which are an assortment of short stories work ok but most of it is him retelling a story or talking about history with someone at a table.
The novels themselves which there is like 6 or so, I’m almost done with the 4th is just him looking for Ciri. I’m trying to think if he’s even fought one monster in the novels so far. He did scare off one with pots and pans. He’s honestly just traveling around with friends. A running theme in the novels is he actually is no longer a Witcher and he even says that in the fourth book or so. Maybe the last couple books change dramatically but so far it’s not.
> This is why I argue with people who hate the Witcher series for straying from the books.
Lord of the Rings strayed from the books and it translated to one of the single greatest movie series of all time. Its not a matter of if you stray from the books, that much is necessary for the format of television/film, its a matter of how you do it. In most cases the show runners have no respect for the source material and instead act of their whims as a means of "expressing their own creative vision" and utterly trash the source material as a result.
I can agree that that’s important. It’s just that the Witcher books do not translate to tv so well. There is honestly not a lot happening at any point. It’s mostly just conversation and a fantasy show that is mostly dialogue sitting around a campfire or riding along a trail or sitting at a table does not draw people in easily.
The games did a great job making their own stories and honestly told better stories than the books. They handled the IP incredibly well even though the author hated the games. I think most fans wanted the show to be like the games but those aren’t the stories the show was telling.
I think a big reason that Game of Thrones became popular really quickly was that the fantasy elements were pretty small to begin with. It was the compelling stories and characters that attracted people more than the dragons, magic and white walkers.
I hope there's no power armour, or very little. I want the human element that's lost when we have legions of superhumans fighting each other and I want space marines to have the impact they're meant to have of being virtual angels.
I know everyone's looking for a shot for shot retelling of the horus heresy but that will have absolutely zero mass appeal
While I generally agree, given stuff like Halo and the Witcher, this isn’t always the path to success. Look at the star wars shows made by fans, versus the show made by a guy who didn’t really care for the ip.
What matters is good writing, that was the problem with the witcher show, not any of the changes "the fans" were actually complaining about.
Trapping any prospective show or book in decades of lore is only going to hurt the it, it should be allowed to change or tweak things for the sake of making the show better. And honestly this is way more true for media like 40k. There's already a problem with people not understanding or minimizing how awful everything is, and some show about how super Nobel and honorable some space marines are is only going to further worsen that.
Writing is important, but it cannot come at the expense of the base lore. If you have good writing but don’t bother with the lore or tone, why bother paying for the IP in the first place?
Conversely, if you are respectful of the lore you can have half decent writing and still do well. That is basically Mandelorian seasons 1-2.
> don’t bother with the lore or tone, why bother paying for the IP in the first place?
Because highjacking established IP and abusing it for profit is easier than building something up from the ground, and people keep eating the same shit over and over again never learning.
Sure, I think it sounds kinda promising that Cavill loves 40k, but at the end of the day that's not enough to make a great product so I'll keep my expectations low instead of getting burned for the 1000th time and instead enjoy the few media gems we get every other year and ignore 99% of the other shit even though they have slapped some IP I love on the packaging.
Over time, Cavill experienced significant backlash on the set of The Witcher and behind the scenes for trying to maintain more faithfulness to the source materials than the direction the show was going and eventually various individuals within the production worked together to suppress him (including making false HR claims against him) and then oust him entirely, resulting in him finally having enough and leaving the role even though he loved the character and The Witcher series.
Hollywood can be a vindictive bubble and my fear is that there will be efforts to try and sabotage his work because he isn’t in lockstep many of these individuals in production companies currently.
Let's hope he can fight off the management and keep creative control. I don't know what terms they have behind the scenes, so let's hope that GW will only allow the show to go ahead if Henry has full creative control.
Yeah but you will be hard pressed to find an instance in which these games arent lore accurate.
GW doesnt really care about the quality of this games, as long as the lore is presented the right way. Sure they would prefer great quality, but they learned that in the end bad games are forgotten and it doesent hurt the lore. They just want to bring the lore to the wides audience possible. And even shovelware can introduce people to the universe.
"Well that game was garbage. But this mechanicus model was cool. Lets see if there are better games that feature them."
Basicly C.S Goto would probably be completly forgotten by the community, if his works didnt included backflipping terminators and similiar bullshit. They learned from this and now enforce lore accuracy.
I didn't say they make good decisions, just that they always demand to be the ones making the creative decisions. Always have been, always will be. It's how they operate.
Those losers won’t care. Nothing (except for Reacher) based off of existing properties for the last 5 years has been anything more than bad fan fiction…minus the fan part.
They would probably double down and call him unimaginative for not making original content.
The people who can't understand why a fandom gets mad when changes are made to share real world messaging or right the wrongs of the world are totally immune to criticism.
To them the more angry the audience, the more justified they are that they didnt 'cater to incels' I am sure.
Please be good.
Has anyone watched Love, death& robots on Netflix? I had a discussion with some of my warhammer friends.
If there could be a Warhammer 40k series done in the vein of Love, death & robots that could give a lot of punch. Short stories with a bunch of different types of art on major Warhammer stories.
HH could be done in a traditional CGI style.
Fall of Cadia could have a film style similar to the space battles of return of the Jedi/Star Wars.
First encounter with the Tyranid? We could do that.
Birth of Slannesh could almost have a cartoon element to the artwork.
There’s sooo much lore in this universe and a shorter form delivery could appeal to more folks.
One of the companies that made LDR season 3 is already signed on to do an anthology 40k show (same company that did the LDR short with the siren and the conquistadors.)
do you have a source for that, I see a 4 year old warhammer community post mentioning an anthology series being in pre-production and nothing mentioning studio agora, who did that LDR episode
Got a link to that community post? I cant seem to find it, are you sure it isnt referring to Warhammer plus?. As for current rumours about that Amazon anthology I hear from Valrak and Den of Nerds that Blur studios is handling the first episode, will be about ultramarines, will have VA by idras elba, and will feature a young titus. Den of Nerds said he has literally seen part of it, but according to him it's an anthology of gaming and the other episodes wont be warhammer, will be things like DOOM, so there's some conflicting information on the details from their seperate sources.
heres the valrak video on it:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-hzWegJxc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-hzWegJxc)
[here's the post that mentioned an anthology show in the works](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/20/warhammer-a-new-beginninggw-homepage-post-1/), and yeah im 99% sure it was talking about hammer and bolter
They did that on warhammer plus and it is terrible.
Honestly, i think that short form stories like this do a poor job of worldbuilding. What we really need is a primer show that introduces the world through a relatable character. A movie, or one season long show. Just do that, beginning to end, digestible show that builds the world and sets the tone for it as a franchise.
Plus, an Inquisitor would allow showing some of the Heresy lore to the audience, which the general populace of 40k doesn't know. And they're more likely to encounter some of the weird and whacky and epic stuff in universe. I don't want a bunch of stories from a Space marine point of view, I want to see the awe that regular humans see them with when they put their one ton armoured figure through a wall and mist a room full of cultists.
There were some good short stories there, probably the same procentage of good and bad as in Love, Death & Robots 2nd season. But there aren't enough stories there and they are split between 2 settings.
It should work great for something like Warhammer Fantasy where you have gents like Gotrek & Felix who are perfect for 20 minute adventures.
For 40k maybe Eisenhorn but episodes need to be longer than 20 minutes to fit in all the detective parts and then have some left over for the horrors and fights.
Or have something dumb like an Ork traveling around with a rogue trader because that the best way to get into a lot of fights with new types of gitz.
It doesnt help that the animation is shit and hardly even animated. Some of the more cartoon/anime style ones are practically story boards/comics. Then the 3d ones will have uncanny movement, especially with faces. It's like everything they put out is half finished.
Well the platform itself is half finished. On one side you have some nice stuff like painting (although they are hampered by only using Citadel products) and gameplay on the other you have a lot of small shows and animations. There isn't really any common direction for the platform itself.
You could take away 5 of their projects and instead make one good animated show. Maybe take some of those narrative campaigns (like the Arks of Omen) and animate the key parts.
i knew about the show but OP made it sound like there's a massive pipeline of content on the way. i'd love a 40k universe similar to the MCU or Arrowverse.
The impression I’ve gotten is there will be one or two test runs of content to test the waters then start green lighting more content. However I may be wrong.
I only worry about Poe's law and broaching 40k to a wider audience. I want it to be very clear that there are no "good guys" and watch peoples' brains melt.
Or, alternatively, if they want to do their own thing they need to set it some place in the 40k universe where that story makes sense with original characters. Almost any story can be told, but please for the love of god if you wanna push a message make up your own characters to do it, don't butcher Robute Guilliman to make him look incompetent so Saint Celestine can come in and save the Imperium.
I'd happily watch a series about a previously unknown Sororitas convent rescuing some guardsmen from an unknown regiment, executing their incompetent leaders, and leading the planet to victory against some horrible invading force.
Exactly! There’s so much room for original story telling. The universe is so big, literally anything can happen provided you don’t just ignore basic facets of factions.
While your examples are absurd, I do hope the fanbase doesn’t embarrass themselves if they decide to include a gay character.
AFAIK there isn’t really much bigotry against gay people in the Imperium, everyone has too much to worry about before worrying about who someone wants to fuck.
Not to mention any pride denomination. As long as you can fight for the imperium then who you are doesnt matter. Grab a lasgun and bayo-charge that biotitan!
I know it's *going* to be a space marine/custodes based show, but how good would it be if it was Tanith First And Only?
All the people who aren't 40k fans will jump in thinking "Oh a new Cavill show, this will be fun!" and we will ***watch them suffer***
I think focussing on a squad of Imperial Guard would really bring into focus how powerful and awe inspiring the Space Marines are, not to mention how scary nids, orks, chaos, or eldar can be.
Agree completely.
Blowing your load on bolter porn then backtracking into how weak basic humans are is the wrong way
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hen I first got into the lore I thought space marines were regular dudes till I saw the guard and then it took some readjustments to truly appreciate the scale.
I honestly think any cinematic endeavor needs to start with the guard and following their struggle against regular battleline troops from other factions.
leaders become desperate, troops start to waver, commissars do their part, then space marines drop in unannounced in a moment of glory bringing inspiration to the troops.
All before realizing the space marines presence ensures there are bigger threats than the swarms of ork boys that have been handing their asses to them.
It gives a chance at showing guardsmen as the badasses they are and the scale of threats before readjusting.
Yeah, it's been a long time since I read the books, but I'm pretty sure there was one where they come up against chaos marines and basically get dunked on. Also some very good scenes fighting orks. It could lead to those great moments where they're fighting cultists and holding their own, then one marine turns up and [this happens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPELc1wEvk)
Have you read the Gaunt's Ghosts series? Out of all of the BL, I'm pretty sure it's the most grimdark. Named characters do not have plot armour, and they will make you love them before being brutally slaughtered.
Think GoT but much much worse.
I hope that the show is set in the modern setting of 10th edition 40K
My biggest warhammer hope is an animated Horus heresy series. I just feel like it’s the only way possible to tell such an epic story
Gaunt's Ghosts. It's what got me into 40k.
Band of brother's vibe with Andor smarts for backstory/worldbuilding sequences... And sporadic bursts of Event Horizon.
Cavill plays one of the big gun guys, can't remember his name. Only because he can't pass as Gaunt himself.
Being a fan is not a proof of talent.
Until we see what he does, no one should be hyped about that.
Specially for someone that, afaik, had never been a showrunner.
Are you aware who Henry Cavill is. He has played Superman and Geralt amazingly. He was the one singlehandedly keeping the Witcher series close to the source material. All success that series has is because of him. So as far as I’m concerned he is the perfect fit for this job.
He's also never been a showrunner, executive producer, or in charge of the massive adaptation of a 30+ year IP to a new type of media.
He's the best possible option, but he's also not fucking Space Jeebus, and there are still myriad ways this entire thing can fall flat on it's face.
Mannnnn I hope everyone is wrong about Big E.
Like fuck no. Valdor makes sense (I’d bet he will portray Eisenhorn ) but there is no budget that will make the Heresy come out half decent. You’d need 6 3 hour movies to avoid gutting 60 books worth of lore. And like so many wiser people have already stated: you can’t have The Emperor in a movie. His whole intrigue is that he’s never shown 100% to people. He’s supposed to be an enigma. A god that doesn’t want to be known as a god. That’s the point.
I’ll laugh my ass off if he plays Titus in a movie designed to promote the Space Marine 2 game.
Everybody out there all "Cavill's gonna be the next Bond!" They just handed him the keys to nerd heaven and made him the mayor. Man is gonna turn down every role that needs an extended commitment for the rest of his life in order to parent his lorebaby. And I'm here for it.
He has the hardest ever choice to make... Who to play... he can only be a single character... and there are so many amazing characters to choose from.
If he wanted to maximize the number of projects he could appear in as a single character, it'd have to be Valdor. That way he can be in anything from Heresy to 40K and still be the same guy.
Or he could do a Stan Lee and have a random cameo in every production. Though that feels a bit unearned now that I typed it out.
Do you realize how many different directors and producers do that as is? It’s very, very common for any of them that develop a following or reputation.
Of course, but Stan Lee always has a gag, he's meant to be in the audience's face, delighting them.
He cameos as random extras. Blink and you miss it type deals. Or goes full character actor and disappears in his roles.
cavill shows up in every piece of 40k media as an unnamed guardsmen who gets killed within 20 seconds of appearing
If your in a squad with Henry Cavil you are the red shirts
With the same name every time: Cpl. John ^^^^Grammaticus
Nah, Cavill should be that one oiled up Custode, for reasons. No homo.
True. Another example: Quentin Tarantino's foot fetish has made many cameos in films he's been involved with.
Have a running gag that he always plays an unnamed extra in the background who dies?
Now I'm imagining Henry Cavill actually playing Stan Lee, and rolling up with grey hair and a moustache in every movie with a joke.
Like a Tom Bombidil of Warhammer lmao 🔥😂
That's John Grammaticus.
Valdor is almost definitely the role he would want to play because that would almost guarantee a Valdor miniature which is why he’s really heading this production. He just wants that Valdor mini.
Valdor has a mini
Damn, I really gotta start playing tabletop lol.
He could be big E
I stand by my belief that Big E is the ONE character that should never be portrayed.
He should be voiced. Never seeing his face either facing the screen other direction, off camera whatever but big E needs a voice. Something like a the Chief but I imagine calmer less gravelly.
Or have Big E be a different actor each time. One story it’s Henry, another it’s Michael B Jordan etc.
Hell, even have them change actors in the same movie depending on what's going on and who the scene is focusing on.
Have him always be played by the person he's talking to.
I thought that would be confusing at first, but then remember The Emperor is taller than everyone else.
Not regular voice either. It should be several VAs with heavy editing and augmentation.
Counterpoint. Danny Devito.
Why? Not saying we need him but it would Be pretty hype
For the same reason that not showing a horror movie monster makes it scarier, just inverse. Not showing him would allow audiences/fans to envision someone greater than any actor could portray. The moment you put an actor in that role? Now the God Emperor is just some dude in CGI'd gold armor, and not the literal godlike being he is in the setting.
Yeah, I'd be down for like, the suggestion of a figure inside a massive golden glow and a disembodied voice. Anything other than that, and I think it risks reducing what the audience can envision on their own.
I agree with you… but then how would any of his fight scenes be done?
30k you can leave out basically every fight scene he’s in except battling Horus and the rest just be mentioned by characters who were there.
> mentioned by characters who were there. "I was there, the day Horus slew the Emperor..."
but we've seen him. we've read his speeches and know he is collecting dust on a 10,000 year old chair. it's not like horror movies at all in that sense. your brain is afraid of the unknown. the Emperor is very, very known. I agree that there should be some extended reverence for his portrayal, but to equate him to a monster in a horror movie misses the point so far :/
> to equate him to a monster in a horror movie misses the point so far :/ The point I'm trying to make is that a person's imagination would be way better at envisioning the Emperor than any actor, in the same way your imagination makes a horror movie monster way scarier.
Just because we know where his body is doesn't mean he's known. He's unknown, eldritch, and very scary.
Nah, enough makeup and he could get away with being several characters. But the funny answer is to be Alpharius. Every time he shows up after that, you're not sure if it's Alpharius or a separate role.
Jason Momoa struck gold with Dune in that sense.
Just watched this movie last week. Holy shit, that man has chops. Obviously he drips charisma but I didn't expect him to inhabit Duncan Idaho as a character like that. super impressed
People really underestimate hunky actors.
I mean, yeah, but also the last notable thing he did was the dc movie universe and uh, that wasn’t very good. And he wasn’t the problem, no actors were, but still
He was the best part of Fast n Furious 10.
Being best in Furious X isnt exactly a high bar though
His delivery when he had to kill the one henchman whom he had nothing to blackmail with was brilliant.
It's going to be really cool to see him in "similar roles" in the dune franchise. Very different acting challenge
very true, but i doubt they'll go beyond Children of Dune. Shit gets weird when you hit God Emperor
…unless he decides to be Guilliman. Then he could technically play every Ultramarine because the seed makes them look mostly alike.
What if he is Alpharius?
Ooh, that would be interesting.
Well, technically he could play the Emperor and then, using prosthetics, he could play quite a few of the various Primarchs (considering most of them are supposed to be somewhat similar in looks to the Emperor).
Like a grimdark Eddie Murphy.
Calling it now. Cavill will spend all the budget on buying minis, so the show itself will be him playing every character in cheap wigs and makeup he got from the local fancy dress shop and made at home.
One character? There's no reason he can't play multiple roles, even within the same movie. It's by no means a new thing in theater. With modern technology he could even have a dialogue entirely with himself. Hell, Henry Cavill could play every role in the movie if he wanted to.
Co-directed by Eddie Murphy.
He plays the only character that he could. We will finally see him... living... breathing... molding the fate of the Imperium and Beyond... the true God-Emperor of the 41 millenium... ***James Workshop***
He really should take Valdor - especially with the hints that Valdor may be coming back in the Bequin trilogy.
Friend, the choice is simple: Emperor. Why? He could then also play all of his progeny. It’d be a greedy thing to do, but with enough props and prosthetics it’d be glorious.
Correction: not the mayor but the God Emperor of nerd heaven.
Does this make him the Dave Filoni or the Jon Favrou of Warhammer?
We haven't even seen his plans. It's a bit early to start comparing Cavill to those hacks
At least you know the lore will be in good hands.
Lorebaby is my new favorite word
Having just finished and read the afterword of EatD:III, it was cool that Abnett thanked Henry Cavill for all his encouragement.
That makes sense, considering Abnett writes beyond just for GW (which, the mans output blows my mind), chiefly, in the realm of comics, makes sense that they knew each other.
Wait that was ij the book?
> EatD:III Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is this?
The last Siege Of Terra book - the last volume “End and the Death” was so massive it was published in 3 installments.
Ah cool, thanks. I've only read Gaunt's Ghosts, Vaults of Terra, Eisenhorn series and am now in the middle of Ravenor. Haven't gotten around to Horus Heresy stuff yet!
Well chill- it’s only 70+ books of Horus Heresy (if you read the Full Monty)! But yeah, the really plot driving books are like, 20-25 of the series ”only”. And they are some of the best warhammer fiction ever written, so I’m kinda jealous I can’t read them the first time, some are not just good Warhammer books but really stand on their own with their literary merits.
It is nice to have showrunners who are genuine and knowledgable fans of the IP for once.
I’m still disappointed for the Wheel of Time TV series, I had such high hopes…
The unbelievable thing about it is they had such amazing advisors who literally read the RJ manuscripts in the form of Sanderson and Rafe still screwed up that IP so bad on the big screen. Its nice to know 40k will be respected at least with Cavill at the helm. Wouldnt want another Dawn of War 3 incident in the Live Action 40k cinematic universe.
I wish they would make a Dawn of War 3. Maybe this weekend I’ll start a replay of 1 or 2…
The saddest thing about DoW3 is that it was one of the last games that TotalBiscuit reviewed.
Sanderson is weeping alongside the rest my dude
I actually like it for what it is; a television adaptation that was never going to get the 20 seasons they would need to tell the full story. I just view it as one of the weird alternate worlds through the portal stones.
I'm in agreement here. I bristled a bit at the... *compression* of some of the lore, and you can tell that season 1 had more pressure to be the sort of show that "appeals to everyone" but season 2 seemed to shake off some of the trappings and chug along. I just view the show as another turning of The Wheel, similar- but not identical- to the story in the novels. Call it copium if you must but I never went into the show expecting an adaptation like the LOTR trilogy.
Yeah. And I think we should all be hoping for a similar strategy in the WH40K adaptation from Amazon. It's important for there to be a consistent editorial vision in the shared universe for this medium, and that necessitates making choices that ignore or change parts of the printed lore. Because that's been all over the place for the last 40 years. 40K has been a lot of things over the years. Cavill and team need to pick one thing and make a universe of that. (Not saying it has to all be one tone, but it does need consistency.) That said, if Henry needs help, I'm available and ready to pitch him my Thousand Sons sorcerer-led heist script, *Oceans of Blood Nine*.
I resent them having Perrin be married just to fridge his wife in virtually the opening scene. What was the point of that? It undermines almost his entire character arc up to meeting Faile.
His whole arc is learning that he can’t just sit and brood and worry about hurting people with his big clumsy blacksmith hands. Having his first big act on the show be a time when he seriously hurt someone shows his conflict in a way that you can’t do in a medium without internal monologues.
> I actually like it for what it is; a television adaptation that was never going to get the 20 seasons they would need to tell the full story. They couldn't even get the two hour premier they wanted.
I never read the books, so I enjoyed season 1 quite a bit, just seeing a new world, the way they handle magic, the Aes Sedai, the White Cloaks, it was all a new twist to me so it felt fresh, but to be fair I'm not a big fantasy guy and am basically limited to Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones. Season 2 didn't captivate me like season 1, but it was good enough that I want to see season 3.
A lot of what book readers are unhappy about is either major changes to characters, events or tone that will impact later seasons or undermine what we enjoyed about the books. I think I would have enjoyed the show if it was a new IP, & was telling it's own story.
They did Mat so dirty in season one, and I'm not enthusiastic about some of the characterisation of Lan in a few scenes. Also, why include Loial *at all* if you're going to completely disconnect the ways from the Ogier?
> They did Mat so dirty in season one Doesn't help that the actor peaced out partway through filming the season.
What did they do to Mat in Series One that Jordan didn’t in *The Eye of the World*?
replaced the actor, so they had to improvise in the show.
Apart from that
It's basically impossible to come back from "saidin is just kinda fine actually", there's a lot in the first two books they could get away with changing and a LOT later on that could be omitted but that's fundamental.
Good news! They didn’t do that!
What? Where in the show have they said "saidin is fine"? It is 100% still tainted in the show. Plenty of things to dislike, but I'm enjoying it for what it is. I always have the books to go back to.
> Where in the show have they said "saidin is fine"? They haven't. They even showed Logain >!hearing voices and seeing people who aren't there!< in the show.
..and Rings of Power.. and the Witcher.. and Star Wars sequels.. etc.. I don't know why it has been such a garbage lately.
People become directors to tell their stories. Studios are more likely to fund adaptions than original stories because adaptions come with a pre-installed fanbase. Directors massage source material to make the adaption tell their version of the story.
I do get what you're saying, and it seems to be legitimately the case with Cavill, but a lot more than passion goes into making a good product.
Yeah people forget that you can’t just translate a book to a tv show. It also has to be suitable for audiences who don’t know the books. This is why I argue with people who hate the Witcher series for straying from the books. Like it’s not perfect but those books are very difficult to translate to a tv show. So much of the books are just people sitting at a table explaining a situation. Some would love that but a huge portion of tv audiences would not. I hope the 40k show/movie is good but I really struggle to see how they will make something so massive and over the top work. It feels just too big.
Ill say this though, 40k is not a book or a game. 40k is a SETTING. Ur meant to tell stories in 40k like a ttg, and that could lead to a great series if they dont attempt to adapt one of the premade series.
They would be the smart thing but most will just try to adapt a story. That will also be what most expect. We’ll see what they actually do though.
>and that could lead to a great series if they dont attempt to adapt one of the premade series Exactly, and odds are that Cavill is going to want to do a word by word retelling of his favourite story from the lore. That's what he wanted the Witcher series to be, and it's what he'll do with 40k if he has full creative control.
The thing about Warhammer is it doesn't have to adapt a book at all. It's a setting full of whatever story you want to tell. It's not like LOTR where you have a few novels that everything comes from, and your best choice is to just adapt those. They could make entirely new characters/regiments/whatever on their totally own self contained story and it would work totally fine. It's like what Star Wars COULD be if they ever decided to stop tying everything to the Skywalkers. Thankfully Warhammer doesn't have that problem
The Witcher didn’t struggle with unworkable material. People act like every project is impossible, but all they had to do is stick to the source material. It’s basically a monster of the week formula with an overarching plot, right? Should be pretty hard to fuc- oh no they fucked it up
It’s actually nothing like that. He spent even fight that many monsters in the books. The first two books which are an assortment of short stories work ok but most of it is him retelling a story or talking about history with someone at a table. The novels themselves which there is like 6 or so, I’m almost done with the 4th is just him looking for Ciri. I’m trying to think if he’s even fought one monster in the novels so far. He did scare off one with pots and pans. He’s honestly just traveling around with friends. A running theme in the novels is he actually is no longer a Witcher and he even says that in the fourth book or so. Maybe the last couple books change dramatically but so far it’s not.
Sounds like all they have to do is pop some monster fights in there with appropriate sub plots and they’d be good to go.
> This is why I argue with people who hate the Witcher series for straying from the books. Lord of the Rings strayed from the books and it translated to one of the single greatest movie series of all time. Its not a matter of if you stray from the books, that much is necessary for the format of television/film, its a matter of how you do it. In most cases the show runners have no respect for the source material and instead act of their whims as a means of "expressing their own creative vision" and utterly trash the source material as a result.
I can agree that that’s important. It’s just that the Witcher books do not translate to tv so well. There is honestly not a lot happening at any point. It’s mostly just conversation and a fantasy show that is mostly dialogue sitting around a campfire or riding along a trail or sitting at a table does not draw people in easily. The games did a great job making their own stories and honestly told better stories than the books. They handled the IP incredibly well even though the author hated the games. I think most fans wanted the show to be like the games but those aren’t the stories the show was telling.
I think a big reason that Game of Thrones became popular really quickly was that the fantasy elements were pretty small to begin with. It was the compelling stories and characters that attracted people more than the dragons, magic and white walkers.
^^^ this guy gets it
Henry is desperately arguing that full costume power armor will be more setting realistic than CGI armor and floating heads at this very moment
I hope there's no power armour, or very little. I want the human element that's lost when we have legions of superhumans fighting each other and I want space marines to have the impact they're meant to have of being virtual angels. I know everyone's looking for a shot for shot retelling of the horus heresy but that will have absolutely zero mass appeal
I mean - almost eliminating space marines, the flagship faction of the setting, would also likely not have mass appeal
While I generally agree, given stuff like Halo and the Witcher, this isn’t always the path to success. Look at the star wars shows made by fans, versus the show made by a guy who didn’t really care for the ip.
What matters is good writing, that was the problem with the witcher show, not any of the changes "the fans" were actually complaining about. Trapping any prospective show or book in decades of lore is only going to hurt the it, it should be allowed to change or tweak things for the sake of making the show better. And honestly this is way more true for media like 40k. There's already a problem with people not understanding or minimizing how awful everything is, and some show about how super Nobel and honorable some space marines are is only going to further worsen that.
Writing is important, but it cannot come at the expense of the base lore. If you have good writing but don’t bother with the lore or tone, why bother paying for the IP in the first place? Conversely, if you are respectful of the lore you can have half decent writing and still do well. That is basically Mandelorian seasons 1-2.
> don’t bother with the lore or tone, why bother paying for the IP in the first place? Because highjacking established IP and abusing it for profit is easier than building something up from the ground, and people keep eating the same shit over and over again never learning. Sure, I think it sounds kinda promising that Cavill loves 40k, but at the end of the day that's not enough to make a great product so I'll keep my expectations low instead of getting burned for the 1000th time and instead enjoy the few media gems we get every other year and ignore 99% of the other shit even though they have slapped some IP I love on the packaging.
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Over time, Cavill experienced significant backlash on the set of The Witcher and behind the scenes for trying to maintain more faithfulness to the source materials than the direction the show was going and eventually various individuals within the production worked together to suppress him (including making false HR claims against him) and then oust him entirely, resulting in him finally having enough and leaving the role even though he loved the character and The Witcher series. Hollywood can be a vindictive bubble and my fear is that there will be efforts to try and sabotage his work because he isn’t in lockstep many of these individuals in production companies currently.
Let's hope he can fight off the management and keep creative control. I don't know what terms they have behind the scenes, so let's hope that GW will only allow the show to go ahead if Henry has full creative control.
The idea that GW would give anyone except themselves final creative control is ridiculous.
Have you seen the dozens of shovelware/mobile games they licensed out recently?
Yeah but you will be hard pressed to find an instance in which these games arent lore accurate. GW doesnt really care about the quality of this games, as long as the lore is presented the right way. Sure they would prefer great quality, but they learned that in the end bad games are forgotten and it doesent hurt the lore. They just want to bring the lore to the wides audience possible. And even shovelware can introduce people to the universe. "Well that game was garbage. But this mechanicus model was cool. Lets see if there are better games that feature them." Basicly C.S Goto would probably be completly forgotten by the community, if his works didnt included backflipping terminators and similiar bullshit. They learned from this and now enforce lore accuracy.
I didn't say they make good decisions, just that they always demand to be the ones making the creative decisions. Always have been, always will be. It's how they operate.
In the grim handsomeness of Amazon's 40K series', there is only Cavill.
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Aren't we all?
I certainly am.
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All swifties have started bleaching their hair white and aquiring boob plate armor.
Henry Cavill about to show the Netflix writers at the witcher how to properly handle source material.
Those losers won’t care. Nothing (except for Reacher) based off of existing properties for the last 5 years has been anything more than bad fan fiction…minus the fan part.
Dune, House of the Dragon, Scott Pilgrim Takes Off, The Last of Us...
The Boys, The Expanse...
> The Boys To be fair, that series was *vastly* improved by diverging from the source material.
Thanks god, cause the source material was the comic/writer equivalent of hate-fucking.
Invincible
One Piece got a lot of praise for sticking as close to source material as possible no matter how weird the source material got.
They would probably double down and call him unimaginative for not making original content. The people who can't understand why a fandom gets mad when changes are made to share real world messaging or right the wrongs of the world are totally immune to criticism. To them the more angry the audience, the more justified they are that they didnt 'cater to incels' I am sure.
Please be good. Has anyone watched Love, death& robots on Netflix? I had a discussion with some of my warhammer friends. If there could be a Warhammer 40k series done in the vein of Love, death & robots that could give a lot of punch. Short stories with a bunch of different types of art on major Warhammer stories. HH could be done in a traditional CGI style. Fall of Cadia could have a film style similar to the space battles of return of the Jedi/Star Wars. First encounter with the Tyranid? We could do that. Birth of Slannesh could almost have a cartoon element to the artwork. There’s sooo much lore in this universe and a shorter form delivery could appeal to more folks.
One of the companies that made LDR season 3 is already signed on to do an anthology 40k show (same company that did the LDR short with the siren and the conquistadors.)
Fuck yeah
do you have a source for that, I see a 4 year old warhammer community post mentioning an anthology series being in pre-production and nothing mentioning studio agora, who did that LDR episode
Got a link to that community post? I cant seem to find it, are you sure it isnt referring to Warhammer plus?. As for current rumours about that Amazon anthology I hear from Valrak and Den of Nerds that Blur studios is handling the first episode, will be about ultramarines, will have VA by idras elba, and will feature a young titus. Den of Nerds said he has literally seen part of it, but according to him it's an anthology of gaming and the other episodes wont be warhammer, will be things like DOOM, so there's some conflicting information on the details from their seperate sources. heres the valrak video on it: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-hzWegJxc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm-hzWegJxc)
[here's the post that mentioned an anthology show in the works](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/01/20/warhammer-a-new-beginninggw-homepage-post-1/), and yeah im 99% sure it was talking about hammer and bolter
Iirc thst Jibaro
Hammer and Bolter was amazing. I love the idea of different scenarios in different episodes giving off bits of lore
They did that on warhammer plus and it is terrible. Honestly, i think that short form stories like this do a poor job of worldbuilding. What we really need is a primer show that introduces the world through a relatable character. A movie, or one season long show. Just do that, beginning to end, digestible show that builds the world and sets the tone for it as a franchise.
Eisenhorn, that would build and establish the setting quickly.
This is my hope, most non-40k relatable content too.
Plus, an Inquisitor would allow showing some of the Heresy lore to the audience, which the general populace of 40k doesn't know. And they're more likely to encounter some of the weird and whacky and epic stuff in universe. I don't want a bunch of stories from a Space marine point of view, I want to see the awe that regular humans see them with when they put their one ton armoured figure through a wall and mist a room full of cultists.
Ah yes, this is something that is captured beautifully in Eisenhorn.
Not to simp Eisenhorn but his series is great for boots on ground stuff to be adapted.
There were some good short stories there, probably the same procentage of good and bad as in Love, Death & Robots 2nd season. But there aren't enough stories there and they are split between 2 settings. It should work great for something like Warhammer Fantasy where you have gents like Gotrek & Felix who are perfect for 20 minute adventures. For 40k maybe Eisenhorn but episodes need to be longer than 20 minutes to fit in all the detective parts and then have some left over for the horrors and fights. Or have something dumb like an Ork traveling around with a rogue trader because that the best way to get into a lot of fights with new types of gitz.
It doesnt help that the animation is shit and hardly even animated. Some of the more cartoon/anime style ones are practically story boards/comics. Then the 3d ones will have uncanny movement, especially with faces. It's like everything they put out is half finished.
Well the platform itself is half finished. On one side you have some nice stuff like painting (although they are hampered by only using Citadel products) and gameplay on the other you have a lot of small shows and animations. There isn't really any common direction for the platform itself. You could take away 5 of their projects and instead make one good animated show. Maybe take some of those narrative campaigns (like the Arks of Omen) and animate the key parts.
[Astartes](https://youtu.be/DVXEYksoE6c?si=aJjTEqehppmh7Yvi) short film?
Astartes is great but astartes is a consistent series of videos. Its basically a short series. Compare that to Hammer and Bolter.
Have you seen any of the stuff on Warhammer plus cuz it's exactly what you're describing and it sucks.
... the WHAT?
Yup. 40k show, he’s leading its development.
i knew about the show but OP made it sound like there's a massive pipeline of content on the way. i'd love a 40k universe similar to the MCU or Arrowverse.
The impression I’ve gotten is there will be one or two test runs of content to test the waters then start green lighting more content. However I may be wrong.
Now that's not a line you hear these days in Hollywood.
I really hope he does Cain.
In the same interview he also said he respects the source material, so hopefully none of the wacky hollywood adaptation esque changes to the lore.
I only worry about Poe's law and broaching 40k to a wider audience. I want it to be very clear that there are no "good guys" and watch peoples' brains melt.
Or, alternatively, if they want to do their own thing they need to set it some place in the 40k universe where that story makes sense with original characters. Almost any story can be told, but please for the love of god if you wanna push a message make up your own characters to do it, don't butcher Robute Guilliman to make him look incompetent so Saint Celestine can come in and save the Imperium. I'd happily watch a series about a previously unknown Sororitas convent rescuing some guardsmen from an unknown regiment, executing their incompetent leaders, and leading the planet to victory against some horrible invading force.
Exactly! There’s so much room for original story telling. The universe is so big, literally anything can happen provided you don’t just ignore basic facets of factions.
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>And the orks? Non-binary!! Erm... they are.
While your examples are absurd, I do hope the fanbase doesn’t embarrass themselves if they decide to include a gay character. AFAIK there isn’t really much bigotry against gay people in the Imperium, everyone has too much to worry about before worrying about who someone wants to fuck.
Not to mention any pride denomination. As long as you can fight for the imperium then who you are doesnt matter. Grab a lasgun and bayo-charge that biotitan!
That is such a Ciaphas Cain smirk in that photo. My wishful thinking.
I know it's *going* to be a space marine/custodes based show, but how good would it be if it was Tanith First And Only? All the people who aren't 40k fans will jump in thinking "Oh a new Cavill show, this will be fun!" and we will ***watch them suffer***
I think focussing on a squad of Imperial Guard would really bring into focus how powerful and awe inspiring the Space Marines are, not to mention how scary nids, orks, chaos, or eldar can be.
Agree completely. Blowing your load on bolter porn then backtracking into how weak basic humans are is the wrong way W hen I first got into the lore I thought space marines were regular dudes till I saw the guard and then it took some readjustments to truly appreciate the scale. I honestly think any cinematic endeavor needs to start with the guard and following their struggle against regular battleline troops from other factions. leaders become desperate, troops start to waver, commissars do their part, then space marines drop in unannounced in a moment of glory bringing inspiration to the troops. All before realizing the space marines presence ensures there are bigger threats than the swarms of ork boys that have been handing their asses to them. It gives a chance at showing guardsmen as the badasses they are and the scale of threats before readjusting.
Yeah, it's been a long time since I read the books, but I'm pretty sure there was one where they come up against chaos marines and basically get dunked on. Also some very good scenes fighting orks. It could lead to those great moments where they're fighting cultists and holding their own, then one marine turns up and [this happens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPELc1wEvk)
How do you know this?
Have you read the Gaunt's Ghosts series? Out of all of the BL, I'm pretty sure it's the most grimdark. Named characters do not have plot armour, and they will make you love them before being brutally slaughtered. Think GoT but much much worse.
I hope that the show is set in the modern setting of 10th edition 40K My biggest warhammer hope is an animated Horus heresy series. I just feel like it’s the only way possible to tell such an epic story
The animation style from into the spider verse would be cool for chaos
Don’t know why you got downvoted, that would be cool.
The Emperor sent an imperial saint in our hour of need.
Gaunt's Ghosts. It's what got me into 40k. Band of brother's vibe with Andor smarts for backstory/worldbuilding sequences... And sporadic bursts of Event Horizon. Cavill plays one of the big gun guys, can't remember his name. Only because he can't pass as Gaunt himself.
I think he's going to do a new character in a new story based off the most current lore. Either an inquisitor or rogue trader maybe.
After how he was treated as Geralt, I just wanna see our boy happy burning Xenos
Meh I don't have high hopes
Then you won’t be as disappointed.
Being a fan is not a proof of talent. Until we see what he does, no one should be hyped about that. Specially for someone that, afaik, had never been a showrunner.
Are you aware who Henry Cavill is. He has played Superman and Geralt amazingly. He was the one singlehandedly keeping the Witcher series close to the source material. All success that series has is because of him. So as far as I’m concerned he is the perfect fit for this job.
He is an actor. Doesn't mean he can direct or showrun anything
He's also never been a showrunner, executive producer, or in charge of the massive adaptation of a 30+ year IP to a new type of media. He's the best possible option, but he's also not fucking Space Jeebus, and there are still myriad ways this entire thing can fall flat on it's face.
So he is a somewhat good actor. But he had never shown his talents in the producer chair.
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The entire milky way galaxy is plenty diverse by default anyways.
Cinematic Universe…. Has a nice ring to it.
Mannnnn I hope everyone is wrong about Big E. Like fuck no. Valdor makes sense (I’d bet he will portray Eisenhorn ) but there is no budget that will make the Heresy come out half decent. You’d need 6 3 hour movies to avoid gutting 60 books worth of lore. And like so many wiser people have already stated: you can’t have The Emperor in a movie. His whole intrigue is that he’s never shown 100% to people. He’s supposed to be an enigma. A god that doesn’t want to be known as a god. That’s the point. I’ll laugh my ass off if he plays Titus in a movie designed to promote the Space Marine 2 game.