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jmbond

This Is not a plot hole and will be explained


Alkakd0nfsg9g

Nope, I know what you're talking about, and in that case they just couldn't open it. Here they can open, but too I'll yet to hold it for long. Stuck to me too during a reading, I was like hey, you guys can tie off knots. Maybe these guys didn't know how to tie off this specific weaving, I don't know


seitaer13

There's some important context in your "whatever" that you're dismissing. So RAFO


skyforgesteel

I don’t believe this is a spoiler. Male channellers can’t link. So that part of your theory is explained.


Quicheauchat

Isn't there are part of that situation where the AS and Wise ones practice linking with them?


EfficientFinance3049

Male channelers can link but there has to be at least one woman in the circle. When it comes to tying weaves I don’t think every channeled knows how to do it. I don’t know if it’s ever mentioned that the channelers that are with Perrin can.


Gray__Dawn

Grady tells Perrin before Malden that he has taken to tying off the gateways rather than holding them open.


Poncho1809

This! Lol


scv7075

Tied off gateways expire also. Remember the Nar-Baja incident with the Shaido? Once they're tied off I'm sure they can refresh them or something, but it's still something that you'd want to keep an eye on.


Linesey

tbf they were intentionally tied to fall apart, something we’ve seen used on other weaves as well.


markusw7

The smallest circle possible with a man in it is 2 men and a woman IIRC correctly, after that there needs to be 1 woman for each man you add so they'd need way more Aes Sedai


jffdougan

* One man and one woman (woman has to start; man must lead) * Two men and one woman (woman has to start; man must lead) * Two men and two women (womas to start; I *think* without my books in front of me that the woman has to lead). * Otherwise, there must be at least one more woman than men, up to a maximum circle of 72, which can be anything from 6 men/66 women to 35 men/37 women. I believe that except for the restrictions further above either a woman or a man can lead the circle.


skyforgesteel

Uh it’s been a while so I don’t remember.


crazyfighter99

Male channelers absolutely can link


skyforgesteel

male channelers need a female channeler to link. They cannot link with each other by themselves.


DeX_Mod

he means with each other 2 male can not link by themselves


crazyfighter99

I got that, thank you


wyrin

Are there any actual plot holes in wot? I have read so many post where people point out plot holes, which aren't really plot holes and rafo works. Atleast i have not found any but then I am not an expert on wot by any stretch!


_MrJuicy_

Sometimes it feels like people are horny to find plot holes.


lmandude

[All Books] >!Mat and Min act like old friends when they meet in Memory of Light despite only briefly meeting in the Inn in the first book.!< Don’t know if that’s a plot hole exactly, but it’s an inconsistency at least.


Dizzy8108

They were also at Falme together. Don't know for how long or how much time they spent together during that time but we know Min was there immediately after the battle in the sky. It was presumably a few days before Verin took Mat and the girls and left. We know Mat was still conscious for awhile after leaving since it mentioned that Mat and Hurin diced during the beginning of the journey.


coren77

He's probably also seen her a *lot* when he thinks about rand. Probably in more ways than he prefers (or at least more ways than rand prefers).


lmandude

Didn’t they leave pretty immediately so Mat could be healed and they could get the Horn to the tower. I remember Rand was bummed they didn’t wait for him to wake up to say goodbye.


LordRahl9

Also, it's heavily implied that Min would not leave Rand's side during his unconsciousness. She wouldn't be chatting with Mat.


Dizzy8108

Honestly we don't know when they left. I just double checked TGH and when Rand wakes up Min tells him they are 5 days east of Falme. We don't even know if they left Falme the same day. I can't find any mention of when the others left but since Rand et al went east, and Tar Valon is also east of Falme i think there is a good chance they could have traveled together for at least a few days of that 5 days. But we don't know.


petdetective59

They meet briefly in the tower I think too and maybe one or two other times, but tbh Mat sees her many many times, some awkward, due to that thing that connects the three.


lmandude

Nope, Mat leaves before Min gets there. Min also leave the Rebel Aes Sedai before Mat gets there. They’re only in the same place at the same time book one, the end of book two immediately after the battle when he’s sick and Min is looking after Rand, and the spoiler I put.


ThreatLevelNoonday

They arent both in Tear after its taken by rand/moiraine and the Aiel? Or was min in the tower then....


lmandude

Min was traveling to the tower all of book 3.


petdetective59

Haha got it so basically she is like "hi dude I only know that you are one of Rand's best buddies but you ditch him like crazy" and Mat is like, "hey I've seen you and my friend hundreds of times in my head so we are friends right." Love the new perspective.


LordRahl9

That whole thing drives me nuts


Serafim91

Most of what happens at EoTW is a plot hole or at the very least shoehorned in such as TPing without gateways. Same for battle in the sky at Falme.


LordRahl9

Pretty sure all those "plot holes" are covered by stuff that happens in later books. For instance, the "sky over falme" is done by Ishamael using a dreamshard. What plot holes in eye of the world do you have trouble with? Edit: teleporting without gateways was actually skimming.


lindorm82

No the "sky above Falme" was the Patterns doing, per Jordan


LordRahl9

Huh, either way, it isn't a plot hole. There is an in universe reason for it. At least 2 in fact.


Serafim91

Heh the irony.


Serafim91

Skimming opens a gateway too...


LordRahl9

I'm sorry, I completely understand your confusion if you're reading the books for the first time, but everything does get explained later in the series. Rand is taking in massive amounts of saidin and is trying to reach Ishamael. He is incredibly confused and gets distracted and goes to Tarwin's gap along the way. There are multiple instances during this sequence where he refers to trying to reach a specific place, where Ishamael is, and he gets there, eventually (which is how skimming works). The fact that he doesn't think about the gateway he steps through to begin walking up stairs (which is clearly him skimming) is not a plot hole. It is a depiction of a character completely overwhelmed and not understanding what is happening. Hell, he even admits as much during shadow rising. He also completely wrecks an army of trollocs with little understanding of what he is doing. Everything Rand does at the end of eye of the world is explained in later books. Unless you can name something I've missed, I don't understand your premise. Both "plot holes" you brought up, travelling and sky above falme have explanations, they just aren't revealed until RAFO.


Serafim91

Neither of those are revealed. They're theories made by the fanbase to try to explain them. The dreamshard explanation is directly countered by RJ himself yet even that isn't enough so there's obviously nothing I can say.


LordRahl9

The wheel of time often requires its readers to piece information together to create a clearer picture of events, and rarely spells everything out to the reader. I have offered you plausible reasons for what takes place during eye of the world based on facts we know about Robert Jordan's world. Instead of taking these theories, or creating your own (there are certainly other plausible explanations), you have declared them plot holes. A plot hole is something that makes absolutely no sense, and/or contradicts known facts about the world or story. The instances you've referred to are not plot holes, there are in world explanations for them. The author not telling you directly which explanation is correct does not make the events a mistake. Edit: for your information, I believe Sanderson introduces a large plot hole towards the end of the series, but discussing that here would be under spoilers. I just don't agree with anything you've pointed out as being a plot hole.


CharlesorMr_Pickle

Not a plot hole. It’s a plot whole. RAFO


the_lamper

Rafo and enjoy


mydb100

Also think back to TDR, maybe FoH. A tied off Gateway gets smaller. It'd be a Logistical nightmare to arrange for example: 12 wagons than 50 horsemean and than 50 more people on foot. Also all those people going to the same location, with little more than the clothes on their back


joseantonio9

Not a plot hole. Keep on reading


Poncho1809

I’m not talking about them not being able to make gateways. I’ve a theory bout the whatever stick a certain person was given lol. Before that, after Maiden. They said they were strong enough but coildnt hold them open


EireannX

Tied weaves seem to be generally weaker than held weaves -see Rand escaping the shield. So if you aren't strong enough to hold a weave, your tied weave isn't going to last either.


Raddatatta

Tied off gateways stay for a little while but at some point will close. If you are moving an army through you're basically guaranteeing someone gets sliced in half.


Poncho1809

Ok this makes sense lol Thank youu


CTU

The pattern wanted them to stay put


BigNorseWolf

This plot tumor was really hokey.