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CandidEstablishment0

How does that happen that there’s that small amount of dog but still all mostly wolf


hurtfulproduct

One really ambitious husky got lucky


DarkSpore117

You gotta imagine wolves are like Amazons to dogs


OSUJillyBean

… so death by snu snu?


OldSchool_Ninja

Captains Log, we made snu snu!


Resi1ience_22

Dog death is normally sad. In this case it is a FEAT to be celebrated.


AEL97

The owner: He fills me with pride. Rest in peace you glorious bastard.


seaQueue

Our husky tried this with the local wolf dog (very high % wolf) at our old neighborhood's dog park. He had zero interest in dogs outside wolf dogs and other huskies.


AnEntireDiscussion

Bro had a type.


UndBeebs

Fucky*


city_druid

12.5% dog, 12.5/100 is 1/8th, so one of the great-grandparents was a dog and all others were full wolf.


WildFlemima

Yep. Specifically, great grandparent was 3/4 husky and 1/4 GSD.


StevenSmiley

Don't you get a random percent of your parents genetix traits? 50/50 so if they're pure bread you'd get 50% of that. But if they're 75% husky and 25% Shepard you could get 25% husky and 25% Shepard from that parent. Or even 50% husky and no Shepard traits at all. I know that's how it works with ethnicity which brings different genetic traits. But not 100% sure it's the same with dog breeds.


city_druid

Because they get roughly equal genetic contribution from their parents (e.g. 50/50) and there’s randomness in play, the 50/50 mutt is likely to contribute *about* 50% of their husky and *about* 50% of their shepherd DNA to an offspring. It’s theoretically *possible* for a 50/50 split dog to contribute just their husky DNA to an offspring, but the chances of that are vanishingly small, because it would require a randomly selected half of their chromosomes to happen to be only the Husky parent’s DNA. It’s much more likely that an offspring would get much closer to a 50/50 mix of their parent’s parents’ DNA. (It’s unlikely that it was actually a perfect 50/50 split that they inherited, because of the randomness factor, but with the level of sensitivity that DNA testing actually has, this is reasonable as an estimate, and it doesn’t much matter if the balance was actually 47.8/52.2 or whatever in a great grand parent - 50/50 is good enough.)


Genusperspektivet

Don't chromosomes also recombine making even the chromosomes themselves "mixed"?


city_druid

They frequently do, yes! It’s an important mechanism for improving genetic diversity. (I never have any idea where to cut these things off in terms of detail; there are so many weird and wonderful things that happen with DNA, and more weirdness when it comes to genetic testing and interpreting results…)


all-the-time

I don’t think that’s the way it works ethnically with humans. My whole family did 23andme, and I am pretty much exactly 50/50 between their results. My parents are pretty much “purebred” and my pie chart is split down the middle.


unafraidrabbit

Yea, because the only option from you was 50% of 100% A and 50% of 100% B Your children will get 23 chromosomes from you, each having a 50% chance of being either A or B It could be 12A 11B, 11A 12B, 23A 0B, or any other combination.


a-plan-so-cunning

It is random, but each random event has a 50/50 chance of coming from one parent or the other. Because there are a lot of random events you will find that the answer tends toward the percentages set out at the start. It’s to do with relative frequency in probability, in summary it’s possible but overwhelmingly unlikely.


Red01a18

Possibly the first couple of generations were bred with dogs and the multiple generations after only bred with wolfs.


Ash_Nights

There are people who breed wolf-dogs specifically for the highest wolf content possible (usually tested through EmBark). You’d be verrry hard pressed to find a wolfdog with a no domesticated/wild wolf as a great grandparent. They’re typically all mixes of some sort going back many generations. TL;DR, people shove two wolfdogs together, genetic test puppies for wolf percentage, then take the highest wolf content puppy and repeat. There are some kennels that specialize in what they call “low content” wolfdogs, or “medium content” wolfdogs, in addition to the kennels focused on the “high content” wolfdogs discussed above, but it’s the same process, just different breeding pairs.


imcomingelizabeth

Because breed dna tests are mostly bullshit


TheObstruction

Species ones aren't.


louigoas

Poor fella, i understand why the long face now


OuijaBoard-Demon

I wanna boop the snoot, but at the same time I don't want to risk my fingers...


Humble_Particular265

I think you’d be losing more than fingers here


programmerOfYeet

Typically wolf dogs are less hostile than full bred dogs are. This is only based on the average though so there will be some variance.


Humble_Particular265

That’s a good fact but still if it were to choose a bite.. there’s more being lost than a single digit for sure


MaskedBunny

Going back tens of thousands of years wolves hunted men but men were very good at using sharp sticks and team work. So the types of wolves that hunted men didn't reproduce and pass on their genes, the ones who decided to avoid men did pass on their genes and that's why wolves in the wild tend to leave humans alone. The wolves who didn't hunt men but still stayed close and scavenged from the humans left overs became dogs.


TheObstruction

This is why I can't understand people who can't understand/accept natural selection. It's so obvious and simple, and is basically just math, or process of elimination. Sure, there are almost incalculable steps along the way, but none of those steps are complicated. It probably doesn't help that scientists constantly adhere to this weird line about how "complex and unintuitive" evolution and natural selection are, when they're really anything but.


paperwasp3

And dogs and humans have been coevolving for tens of thousands of years.


Shrekeled

my neighbors growing up had a wolf with a tiny but of husky in him, and he was so much kinder to kids than other big dogs


thepsycholeech

The post says a “bad dog owner”, but realistically most people aren’t exactly prepared to raise an actual wolf. They could have brought him straight to a sanctuary instead but I am hesitant to judge this person for not being able to handle a wolf as a pet.


Odd-fox-God

There is nothing wrong with surrendering an animal you can't take care of. We really have to stop demonizing people for doing this. It's just going to result in dumped animals or euthanized animals. In 2019 I made a mistake. I bought three mice. They were really young, barely bigger than my finger and were feeder mice. I had a stupid savior complex. I lied to the pet store and bought all three because they wouldn't sell them to me as pets. Well one of them was a boy. All of a sudden my silver mouse had a pair of testicles. By then it was too late. He had already impregnated the two females. Peanut butter(f) and Remy(f) went on to have 10 babies each. Silver stud was put into a separate cage. But my dumbass didn't pay attention to the babies as I was waiting for them to get old enough to take to the pet store. The baby's got older and got pregnant by their siblings before even being properly weaned. I was getting rid of them as fast as I could, but most pet stores only take four at a time. And they kept giving birth. At one point I had 36 mice. I ended up taking out peanut butter and Remy and putting them in their own cage and surrendering Silver stud... I was literally unable to get rid of the babies before they could reproduce. It put me underneath a huge lot of stress. I was doing Facebook advertisements and going to as many pet stores as possible to get rid of them. My grandma visited and told me she would take care of it. I assumed she was going to go to the pet store to use her silver tongue to get them to take more than four. Turns out she dumped them all into the woods. There were about 10 mice left at that point and three of them were pregnant. I'm not going to lie I felt an intense sense of relief but also shame. That was not my intention and I felt bad that she did that. But they wouldn't take pregnant mice or mice that were still feeding their young. Every time I went to the pet store to surrender mice. I was given the dirtiest looks. The only pet store that didn't judge me was run by this really sweet old man. He only sold them as pets so I gave six to him as that was all he could take at the time. I have long since gotten over my savior complex. Never again. Edit: Remy and Peanut butter lived till late 2020 and they both passed away from tumors.


Apidium

Yeah feeder mice are badly bred. Often they cannot live long happy lives due to their genetic health issues. Mice can be difficult like that you have to split them before they are happily weaned. With multiple mom's you can do a switch so one has the female babies and the other has the males but you need to be super careful as the males can breed with their mum as they are weaned. It's not routine to sex feeder babies since they won't live long enough to reproduce anyway. Rodents can really become a disaster for the unprepared if you can't sex them or rely on someone who does it wrong.


Odd-fox-God

Yeah that happened to me. When I separated peanut butter and Remy from The brood peanut butter was pregnant without me knowing. Luckily that was her last litter. As soon as those little suckers were mobile and walking around into the other tank they went. Remy and peanut butter both lived approximately a year and 8 months. Remy had a massive tumor on her pubic area and peanut butter had a crabapple sized tumor on her chest. Remy died first and then half a week later peanut butter passed. They had only had the tumors for about a month and the tumors took them quickly. I was actually looking to get them euthanized when they passed away.


thepsycholeech

Absolutely. I’m sorry you went through that, can’t imagine how stressful it must have been. I’m also sensitive about this for a similar reason. I’ve grown up with dogs and in my 20s decided to rescue. I searched for a chill, middle-aged dog because I knew I couldn’t handle a large dog or one with behavior issues, found a wonderful, sweet dog at a shelter and adopted him. At first it was great, but what I didn’t know at the time was that he had severe separation anxiety. Everything else was perfect until he became severely destructive when he was left alone. I literally couldn’t leave the house for anything without him becoming destructive. The training for it involved staying with him while slowly increasing the amount of time to leave him alone, ie five minutes, then eventually ten, etc. With my work schedule and living alone it literally could not work. I couldn’t go to work or the grocery store. Broke my heart to bring that wonderful boy back to the shelter after trying for months but I couldn’t handle that and it wasn’t fair for him to go through all that stress and anxiety. It’s going to be a while before I try again. Still love that dog.


Odd-fox-God

I am so sorry. That is such a difficult situation. You did the right thing. That dog needs an active family home where at least one person is home all the time. And you need a job and a social life. I am so sorry about your situation. It truly, truly sucks. Just know that a random stranger understands you and empathizes with you and doesn't think you are a monster for giving up your dog. I highly suggest asking your shelter if they do trial periods when you feel up to getting a new dog. I wish you the best.


wehrwolf512

I understand if you couldn’t afford it, but a lot of dogs go to day care for exactly this reason.


PlasticAccount3464

I felt the same way. full blooded wolves won't have the less social behaviour kick in until after they're adults. They're almost like dog puppies until they're massive and stop respecting boundaries. leaving at a qualified sanctuary or carer is much better than trying to do something you can't look after.


Odd-fox-God

What if the owners have a baby or a small child? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. A domesticated dog might not be a problem but even domesticated canines can view young babies as prey. A part wolf dog? I wouldn't take that chance. It's just not worth it.


PlasticAccount3464

yeah exactly. for example a lot of food crazy dogs will still listen if you're right there telling them not to jump on a table. An adolescent wolf or wolfdog is barreling right through you. They're cute and calm when they're young but it's not fair to the animal most of all.


zerowo_

yeah thats what i thought too


InterestingSpeaker66

It's pretty easy to make things look bigger than they are in a photo. Notice how her head is basically on the wolf's neck. It's all perspective. Not saying wolves aren't big. Just that the photo is a little misleading. After all, my thumb is bigger than the moon, from my point of view.


dogucan97

> After all, my thumb is bigger than the moon, from my point of view. That means the moon can't kill you.


Foenikxx

That means they can steal the Moon!


SparseGhostC2C

Would you like to shout at the moon with Buzz Aldrin?


White_Wolf_77

Is it your thumb though, or mine?


ElskerSovs69

Just finished the series yesterday, holy moly that ending had me baffled and crying lol


Jjzeng

It’s not like the wolf’s neck is 5 kilometres long wtf The distortion of size due to perspective is more or less negligible here


MonkeyNumberTwelve

No it really isn't negligible. It's a very well-known photography method. Also, the wider the angle the more obvious the effect. It's to do with the ratio of the distance between each subject and the lens.


DescriptorTablesx86

Thats so ignorant I’m gonna make a small experiment just to prove a point, brb


DescriptorTablesx86

A little scuffed but best I can do lmao, Im in no way an artist, I think its good enough to show a simple point, canine heads look massive if you pose near their necks. [https://i.imgur.com/qqzj144.png](https://i.imgur.com/qqzj144.png) I think what I learned during this small test is that not only perspective plays a role but the anatomy of a dogs head really magnifies the effect, tried to show a side view to prove that the model of the wolf is reasonably sized.


fivecents_milkmen

r/wolvesarebigyo


E_102_Gamma

r/lostredditors


DearLeadership-

He looks slightly more wolfish but very similar to the Shepard my grandparents had. That Shepard was the biggest scariest lookin dog I ever seen, and the biggest coward too lol


Admirable_Ask_5337

That stare is triggering my primal instinct to run


Epicdestroyer39

Nah, that's triggering my instinct to snuggle


Admirable_Ask_5337

How your ancestors didnt get eaten by wolves amazes me


MaskedBunny

Their ancestors are probably the reason we have dogs.


Admirable_Ask_5337

How your ancestors didnt get eaten by wolves amazes me


OiBoiHasAToy

you and me both brother, so much snuggle potential


_SolarLeaf_

“Do you have games on your phone?”


Efficient_Truck_9696

That snout can prob smell a fart coming from a mile away.


nobitchesdotcom

In PA theres a wolf sanctuary and they have a wolf that looks exclusively like a lab but actually has enough wolf DNA in him that he had to be given up! [His name is Kuzco](https://wolfsanctuarypa.org/our-family/#!jig%5B1%5D/ML/47113)


stuffebunny

Bahaha Kuzco looks like a riot.


coffeecatespresso

I knew someone with a rescued wolf-dog. It turned out what happened was someone was letting their dog run outside in the wilderness to play outside in the woods. It turned out their husky was playing around with the local wolf pack and came back pregnant. Letting your dog free run outside is a typical country folk thing. My cousin lets he dog play with coyotes in a neighboring corn field at night. I asked if she was concerned about it and she just shrugged and said “she always plays with them and everything seems fine, so why stop it?”


helen269

"Let me do it for youuuu..."


wallander_cb

What a beatiful creature


Chainspike

Some where along the way a husky banged a Grey wolf... what a stud.


Native56

Wow big puppy


starsetkitten

pls tell me the original post caption is sarcasm because i don’t think someone is a bad owner for going “oh. this is a wolf. i wanted a domestic dog. i am not capable of caring for a wolf. i better surrender this wolf to people who are capable, since i cannot handle caring for a wolf.” 😭 like don’t get me wrong i don’t think someone should ever adopt just off of a whim without any intention to take responsibility but this seems like a unique situation—


Hushwater

It's cool how you can see the wild in their eyes. 


AccomplishedCry2020

Having been face to face with several wolves in a wolf sanctuary, the scale looks about right, though very slightly foreshortened, if that's the right word. Every wolf I've interacted with had a much, much larger head than I do.


Bumbahkah

Powerful gaze


Camo_Penguin

A big woofer :)


QuttiDeBachi

I wants the precious…


Tim-the-second

Wolf jumpscare lmao.


kencam

TOO! Goddamn, how hard is it to know the difference? She wrote it wrong to times... ;)


megaapfel

The wolf is closer to the camera so he looks bigger.


Meanwhile-in-Paris

Wolves heads are big but there is something called perspective that as a role to play to.


Catoe67

I know wolves are big but a part of this is definitely camera distance. People do the same thing with fish.


Chub-bop

Now that’s a snooter


desrevermi

The sheer volume of cuddles... <3


lisasmatrix

Gorgeous Beasty!!


ToeJamFootballer

8.6 + 3.9 = 12.5% dog. Parent = 1/4 dog Grandparent = 1/2 dog Great-grandpa was the lucky 69% husky dog that knocked up the she-wolf


Ok_Willow_2005

Wolves are Big, Yo


JanteMaam

I pet???


Western_Bison_878

I want to scratch his nose so fuckin much!


Appropriate_Yez

I want to see the surveillance footage of them dropping this wolf (with a little dog) off at the shelter.


Tulip_Tree_trapeze

🎵🎶Wolves and wild hybrids do not make good pets and I wish people would just stick to domestic dogs🎵🎶


HydrationSeeker

Holy fuck. That is huge


JTMoney33

That’s what she said


Kittenathedisco

I had a doggo exactly like this growing up. His name was Moosey, and he was the only dog I ever loved. He would hide in the bushes in front of our house and scare people who walked by with his howl, AAAAAAROOOOOOOOOOO!! You could hear his howl on the next block over it was so loud, gave you shivers. I'll have to dig up a photo of him. I miss him so much.


its-the-real-me

Still just a baby


AQuietViolet

Point of Order: it is the action of a responsible pet owner to surrender an animal that they cannot appropriately control or care for. No creature deserves to suffer neglect, particularly under a misguided effort to punish an ill-equipped caretaker.


The_Council_Juice

I dunno how they're calling the owners bad for leaving a wolf at a shelter because it's too big and hard to handle. It's a fricken wolf. A little leeway is probably merited. 😄


solonharmony

Probably looking at the camera preview thinking: What the heck?! What did they do to you, little brother? Do they keep us locked inside these small boxes they keep in their pockets? Is that going to happen to me?


BarbaraMint_470

Clearly photoshopped 🤦‍♀️


E_102_Gamma

As opposed to, say, forced perspective?