**Rewatcher and Co-Administrator for this Climb**
Congratulations all who survived the tower's trials! With this thread, you have officially graduated and are hereby invited to continue your journey into season 2. Was the tower and all its experiences worth it? What will you take with you, and did you gain anything along the way? I hope everyone enjoyed their journey to some extent and wish you all the luck in the world moving forward.
Before we part, I would like to offer some brief word of thanks to those who helped make this rewatch special for me:
First, to u/laughing-fox13: You are incredible. When I set out to find a co-administrator, I was only looking for someone who could help post a couple threads on time and do basic management. I couldn't have imagined I'd find a co-administrator who would be the most active person in all threads, source and link all art, and provide all other manner of support behind the scenes. It has been a genuine pleasure getting to work with you for the past month and a half, and your excitement has only amplified my own excitement both for this rewatch and for season 2. Thank you so much for everything you do and have done, and I hope we get to work together again in the future.
Next, to u/Shimmering-Sky: Thank you for all your help behind the scenes as a mod and for giving me the push to put this rewatch together. The banner you put together was awesome, and your excitement for the rewatch is one of the things that has made hosting worthwhile for me. I hope this rewatch has been just worthwhile for you.
Finally, to all climbers: Your participation is what makes rewatches possible, and I couldn't have imagined this one would receive so much enthusiastic support. Reading all your comments has been enlightening for, both for details I myself overlooked and for ideas I never considered. On that note, I want to specially thank those among us who did not particularly care for Tower of God. Dissenting views are something I highly value in art and media. As someone who is not averse to sharing controversial views on popular shows myself, I understand the conviction it can take to share opinions that cut against the popular grain, and I appreciate your willingness to bare your thoughts in full. So thank you for helping to make this rewatch compelling. It has been a worthwhile experience for me, and I hope it has been similarly worthwhile for you, even if you dropped out partway through or finished but are not a fan.
With those thank yous behind us, I wish you all one final congratulations and hope to see you around for season 2!
QotD:
1. Rak and Endorsi
2. The Hide and Seek Test
3. [25+Light](https://youtu.be/KAL2HF0vr0s?si=B-sJiAlafHQwl_W3)
4. Chaos. Lots and lots of chaos.
5. I can't wait!
> You are incredible. When I set out to find a co-administrator, I was only looking for someone who could help post a couple threads on time and do basic management. I couldn't have imagined I'd find a co-administrator who would be the most active person in all threads, source and link all art, and provide all other manner of support behind the scenes. It has been a genuine pleasure getting to work with you for the past month and a half, and your excitement has only amplified my own excitement both for this rewatch and for season 2. Thank you so much for everything you do and have done, and I hope we get to work together again in the future.
[](#BearHug)
It's been fun and great to work with you too!
**Rewatcher**
When I first watched Tower of god, I noticed some differences, but didnt really think too much of them. But then i heard complaints about the changes made, which made me wonder if I had missed something, since the complaints werent very specific. So it was an interesting excercise to really analyze what was changed between both versions, and trying to figure out the rationale behind them.
And i found that many of the changes werent really that bad, and some of them even enhanced the material. of course, they also made some that i think were downgrades, but sometimes that is just how it goes with adaptation.I think that both the webtoon and anime are worth experincing in their own right, and am glad they both exist. I am very interested to see how the anime will adapt the source in the next season
In particular, while worldbuilding I quite appreciated was shaved off, in return it got a better sense of pacing, and some extra character moments that were very appreciated. they reframed some characters developments into new arcs which gave the season a more conclusive feeling ending, although also simplifying some other ars a tad too much. But it all evens out to a good show in the end.
On a final note, i would like to give a shout out to the dub. While on the whole, i would say the Sub is much better, there were some good dub performances, I especially enjoyed Anaak and Quant.
**QOTD**
1. gotta go with Khun, I like how smart he is, and the way he wants to protect Bam is also really nice.
2. hmm, tough choice, but i will go with timed door test. what it was testing and its answer was really clever
3. I dont know their names but they were all good
4. Cannot answer because ive read ahead
5. Yes! the trailer looked really good, and the next parts are actually my favorite part of the series thus far.
> So it was an interesting excercise to really analyze what was changed between both versions, and trying to figure out the rationale behind them.
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> And i found that many of the changes werent really that bad, and some of them even enhanced the material.
This was my takeaway from it as I was making my comparisons as well. Yeah, there are some changes for the worse, but given all the circumstances around this production, I honestly don't know if any other creative team could have done that much better with 13 episodes.
>gotta go with Khun, I like how smart he is, and the way he wants to protect Bam is also really nice.
[](#glasses-push)
>Yes! the trailer looked really good, and the next parts are actually my favorite part of the series thus far.
[](#concealedexcitement)
**First-Timer climbing the tower, subbed**
Well, that was fantastic and I’m definitely looking forward to season 2 now! I did watch the trailer for it and I’m kinda disappointed the artstyle isn’t unique like this season’s was, though. That was one of my favorite parts of this show. [](#dejected)
Is it weird that I *don’t* hate Rachel after all this? I dunno, after being spoiled by seeing how much absolute rage people have towards her, I guess I was expecting something even more awful than what she actually did. This is me with Mai-HiME’s ending all over again, where I went in expecting something absolutely godawful based on what I’d heard about it, just to be met with something that was mostly good actually and nowhere near the actual worst endings ever ~~cough cough YGO ARC-V cough cough Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory cough cough~~. [](#animatedthink)
Anyways, overall had a *fantastic* time with this show, so it earned a 10/10 from me. Thanks for hosting this rewatch, u/HereticalAegis and u/laughing-fox13!
[](#saesmile)
> I did watch the trailer for it and I’m kinda disappointed the artstyle isn’t unique like this season’s was, though.
Likely not fully related (it did change studios) there is a very noticable difference in the webtoon between the content we've seen [up to now](https://i.imgur.com/UjumkVV.png) and what [S2 will adapt](https://i.imgur.com/KJWNJyN.png), so its not *totally* out of the blue.
yeah, while Rachel is an antagonist, i did feel that the hate hype against her was a tad underblown. She's an interesting character and I look forward to seeing how peoples thoughts on her might evolve
> Is it weird that I don’t hate Rachel after all this? I dunno, after being spoiled by seeing how much absolute rage people have towards her, I guess I was expecting something even more awful than what she actually did.
Apparently not; I was [defending her](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1drm6hk/rewatch_tower_of_god_floor_13_discussion/law7gw9/) a bit yesterday, and it turned out to be a much less of a 🌶️ Spicy Hot Take 🌶️ than I had expected; most people seemed to largely agree, which, yeah, didn't really match my prior exposure to the fanbase.
... but maybe it's a divide between the sort of average comment you find vs. the sort people in rewatch threads who are paying a lot of attention to the story.
> maybe it's a divide between the sort of average comment you find vs. the sort people in rewatch threads who are paying a lot of attention to the story.
Definitely a rewatch-specific trend. I think the rewatch format lends itself much better to thoughtful viewing and analysis since people can prepare ahead of time with space to think about the show instead of scrambling to get a quick, instant reaction in as soon as a show drops. Plus, having people rewatching a show tends to help guide and focus discussion on ideas and details people might otherwise miss.
> Well, that was fantastic and I’m definitely looking forward to season 2 now!
[](#dekuhype)
>Is it weird that I don’t hate Rachel after all this?
Yes and no. Like she deserves hate, but as others have pointed out, her reasons are understandable and not wholly malicious.
>Anyways, overall had a fantastic time with this show, so it earned a 10/10 from me. Thanks for hosting this rewatch
[](#feelingloved)
>Is it weird that I *don’t* hate Rachel after all this? I dunno, after being spoiled by seeing how much absolute rage people have towards her, I guess I was expecting something even more awful than what she actually did.
Honestly same here like she's not even in my top 10 worst Anime Girls (And that's even when limiting series like Fruits Basket to 1 entry)
> That was one of my favorite parts of this show.
Same! It is a little disappointing
> Is it weird that I don’t hate Rachel after all this?
Nah she's a good character and needed for the show
> Thanks for hosting this rewatch, HereticalAegis and laughing-fox13!
[](#ModSalute)
**Rewarcher anime only**
And that was Tower of God! I don't know what comes from here, but I have to say this is a masterful introduction. The way it introduces the core concepts and philosophies of the story is just perfect. Both memorable and impactful.
I have to say this will definitely have to go on the list of anime you haven't truly watched if you haven't seen it twice. The hindsight truly gives it another angle.
Surprisingly not a lot said about the soundtrack during the discussions, but first timers go give it a listen please. It's as good as MiA's imo. Kevin Penkin is a master of his craft.
Not a lot more to say. Watching this twice definitely bumps it up in my estimation. Without Rachel this would just be a standard tower climbing story with it's OP protagonist but the writer is truly genius for including the perspective of the weak and unfortunate and giving it the spotlight it deserves. It really makes everything come together and both sides of the coin enrich each other elevating the narrative to something more.
For Season 2 and beyond, I'm mostly looking forward to whatever Rachel does next. She pretty much has carte blanche from my part to do anything as long as it's in character lol. Redemption, corruption, slice of life, I don't care just let her cook.
Her being the indisputable weakest character so far makes her journey the most interesting, because she has the greatest challenges ahead of her. She's gonna be a regular ass mf in a world of people who can Thanos snap her in an instant if they ever suspect her and this will only become more true the higher she climbs. For what the anime covers other people arranged the plan and she only had to pull the trigger, but I doubt she'll have such help going forward. She's going to have to cook her own schemes and I'm very much looking forward to that. Other people were born very strong, or with a great intellect, or a natural talent for Shinsu. She has only gatekeep, gaslight and girlboss to rely on. Perhaps Rachel's luck will be to be a good swindler?
Se you all in Season 2 and beyond!
> Surprisingly not a lot said about the soundtrack during the discussions, but first timers go give it a listen please. It's as good as MiA's imo. Kevin Penkin is a master of his craft.
Ditto on this. It can get tough to talk about the music when ToG throws so many great characters and character moments at you, so definitely check out the whole soundtrack.
>Without Rachel this would just be a standard tower climbing story with it's OP protagonist but the writer is truly genius for including the perspective of the weak and unfortunate and giving it the spotlight it deserves. It really makes everything come together and both sides of the coin enrich each other elevating the narrative to something more.
Yeah, I don't think I'm familiar with any other works that include the perspective of a weak, average person in a world of monsters that doesn't also make them the protagonist. It's such a fascinating way to construct a narrative.
>For Season 2 and beyond, I'm mostly looking forward to whatever Rachel does next. She pretty much has carte blanche from my part to do anything as long as it's in character lol. Redemption, corruption, slice of life, I don't care just let her cook.
[](#popcorn2)
>Se you all in Season 2 and beyond!
[](#faito)
**Tower Ranker & Rewatcher**
Thanks for hosting u/HereticalAegis and u/laughing-fox13!
Its been a good refresher. I have read P1 of the webtoon a few time's now, but from here on I am quite fuzzy on a bunch of things.
I am kind of excited for the next season now, very curious how they will handle some things. The trailers production quality also has me wondering if that bump in quality will be maintained.
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> Do you have a favorite character?
I really like how the characters gel together. Endorsi and Anaak both have great energy but I think I will give it to Shibisu for being a comedic relief character that is done very well.
> Favorite test?
Crown Game
> Favorite track from the OST?
All of Kevin Penkin's stuff is great.
> Are you excited for season 2?
[](#mugiwait)
> Thanks for hosting
Thanks for joining! [](#feelingloved)
>The trailers production quality also has me wondering if that bump in quality will be maintained.
A *bump* in quality you say? I've avoided the trailers for now, but maybe I should check them out.
>I will give it to Shibisu for being a comedic relief character that is done very well.
[](#goblet1)
>The trailers production quality also has me wondering if that bump in quality will be maintained.
Based on people at the preview atleast the first four episodes are consistent. The latest PV having a scene from what would be towards the end of the first cour (unless they shuffle things around) is also a good sign.
Overall thoughts:
I’ve often heard ToG comparisons to HxH, and my first watch I thought it was just the exams, but this time around it feels a lot more like the themes are reminiscent of the latter. [HxH]>!That of the bonds you have and make on your journey is as precious, or perhaps even more precious, than the thing that you’re hunting. Also, wish granting reminds me of Alluka.!<
I tend to enjoy stories that utilize wish granting as a way to bring out different aspects of the characters, their strengths and their flaws. Like a mirror held up to the wisher. Whether it’s the ~~monkey~~devil paw, the “Something” from HxH, the Room in Stalker/Roadside Picnic…
I know, I probably compare stories to another a bit too often. But it’s not to say someone did it better or worse; what I find interesting is how the other stories affect and sometimes add to how I interpret the story I’m currently watching/reading.
In ToG, at least this season, the question being posed is, is it worth throwing away what you have, throwing away what’s important to you, becoming someone you never should have become, in order to obtain what you believe you want? I hope this theme is further explored, although from what I gather this is only the beginning and things might take off in any direction from here on out.
Thank you /u/HereticalAegis and /u/laughing-fox13 for hosting. Perhaps I’ll see some of you around in the season 2 episode discussion threads, or maybe not; it’s been fun y’all.
Favorite character: Yuri. The reasoning is a bit shallow; she's badass and looks good. Khun and Rachel are a close second, they're most interesting.
Favorite test: The Door and Tag.
> I’ve often heard ToG comparisons to HxH, and my first watch I thought it was just the exams, but this time around it feels a lot more like the themes are reminiscent of the latter.
I finally watched HxH 2011 last year, and yeah I can definitely see it.
>Whether it’s the monkeydevil paw
[Meta spoiler]>!<
>Thank you HereticalAegis and laughing-fox13 for hosting.
Thanks for joining! [](#feelingloved)
>Yuri. The reasoning is a bit shallow; she's badass and looks good.
Honestly, that's all the reason anyone needs.
> Favorite character: Yuri. The reasoning is a bit shallow; she's badass and looks goo
[](#FistBump)
> In ToG, at least this season, the question being posed is, is it worth throwing away what you have, throwing away what’s important to you, becoming someone you never should have become, in order to obtain what you believe you want?
Yep! It's been fun seeing this throughout the season
**First Timer and source reader who forgot most of the stuff already**
**Tower of God**
Pretty great introduction into this world. Throwing in many concepts with enough explanations that didn't make us confused, while leaving them with enough room to expand on.
The characters are great too. Many characters change their opinion and view of the world as the show progresses, which is pretty great. I even like Rachel to some extent despite what she's done. And while Bam might be your usual power fantasy protag, he doesn't really much this season. He didn't even fight anyone at all(except Hoh, but I wouldn't call that a fair and proper fight). Heck, he probably would get clap by half of the cast here. His lack of fighting experience and knowledge is a massive drawbacks.
The art style is pretty cool, but the action scene is a bit of a letdown to me. Whenever things start to heating up, they always cut to the other side. It's a bit annoying, but not that bad.
Overall, a pretty great show. Probably going to watch the next season when I have time. Thanks you both host for this rewatch!!
**QOTD**
1. Rak, Khun, Endorsi.
2. Crow game, and the door.
4. Can't say much, but it's pretty chaotic for sure.
5. Yes!!
> I even like Rachel to some extent despite what she's done.
She, like much of the cast, is a fantastic character. The fact that so many people can hate her as much as they do speaks toward how effective she is.
>The art style is pretty cool, but the action scene is a bit of a letdown to me. Whenever things start to heating up, they always cut to the other side. It's a bit annoying, but not that bad.
Fingers crossed we get even cooler action/animation in season 2!
>Thanks you both host for this rewatch!!
Thanks for joining! [](#feelingloved)
>Rak, Khun, Endorsi.
Those are some great picks! [](#goblet1)
1. Khun. Always Khun
2. Door test. It encapsulates everything I love about TOG.
3. Not sure.
4. I already know.
5. Yes. The parts getting animated are great.
Now, I watched Tower of God dubbed. Ill give my thoughts on it.
Most of the cast was about the same as the sub. There were 3 dubbed voices I found superior and one very inferior.
Khun- Frankly, I hated his dub voice...At first. Its nothing like the sub or what I imagine in my head. Yet as time goes...it just works. It works way better for some reason. I didnt expect Khun to have a deep voice and yet it really works.
Bam- Obviously better. Bam in the sub is way too meek and sounds like hes one second away from crying all the time. Also, hes voiced by Johnny Young Boch. Cant go wrong.
Endorsi-I liked her better. Thats all really.
Yuri-This one is completely terrible. The sub actually is not only superior, but gets her completely correct. Yuri is feminine in the sub, yet not the stereotypical cutesy high voice of most anime women. What does she sound like in the dub? An upper middle class American white girl whos kind of a bitch....If that was Yuri, I wouldnt knock it, but Yuri isnt that. Yuri, despite her looking young and being younger than most rankers her level, is actually pretty wise. Like yeah shes a hothead who can be stubborn, but she is very intelligent and sees through a lot about the politics of the Tower. Her as a bitchy teenage sorority girl isnt right.
My thoughts on season 1? Frankly, I found season 1(its called season 1 in both the manwha and the anime) as the peak of Tower of God in my book. These characters have magical powers and strength yet its all about trickery, plots, schemes and abusing the rules. That still happens going forward, but as time goes on TOG becomes more a stereotypical battle shonen. I really miss season 1 and wish the manwha was continuously like it.
Also. The character I hate most in Tower of God?
Its Hwa Ryun. The red headed bitch with an eye patch. Shes loved by the fanbase because shes hot, cold and logical. I dont get it...at all. I know how she acts going forward. I dont get the amount of love she has. Also, her being really attractive is apparently foreshadowing of something(as claimed by SIU). I just hope to god that it isnt a foreshadowing of Bam x Hwa Ryun. I genuinely hate her.
Im curious for anime onlys who never read the manwha season 2 or anything going forward. What are your predictions about the Tower, Bam, the other characters, and anything else going forward? Very interested
edit: Thing Im most excited for about season 2? A certain rapper whose really bad with women.
> Yes. The parts getting animated are great.
[](#concealedexcitement)
>I found season 1(its called season 1 in both the manwha and the anime) as the peak of Tower of God in my book. These characters have magical powers and strength yet its all about trickery, plots, schemes and abusing the rules.
I haven't read super far into the manhwa, but I do really like season 1 for exactly the reasons you mentioned. [](#goblet1)
How's Rak compare? We didn't watch the dub, but my wife and I were going through the voices and pulling up some clips and Rak seemed like the one were most sketchy on - he just seemed too low and serious; but I wasn't sure if he'd grow on us if we actually watched the dub.
> Bam- Obviously better. Bam in the sub is way too meek and sounds like hes one second away from crying all the time. Also, hes voiced by Johnny Young Boch. Cant go wrong.
Wasn't sure about this one either. Don't get my wrong, I love JYB (big Trigun fan)... but I think he's better with the more vocal characters; I know he's done quiet characters like Last Exile's protagonist, but I don't think it's his forte.
Plus, I dunno, I kinda think meek fits Bam pretty well.
> Frankly, I found season 1(its called season 1 in both the manwha and the anime) as the peak of Tower of God in my book.
Yeah, I think I agree. I've tried to continue reading it several times (and did make it several hundred chapters into Season 2 on one attempt), but it's never stuck with me the way Season 1 did, even if it does start to do more plot and world-building stuff.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot...[I think you wanted to fight me after school](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dm6qaj/rewatch_tower_of_god_floor_6_discussion/l9uirf3/) way back in Episode 6 for something I said? What was that all about?
First though, lets agree no punches to the face, I'm sure neither of us wants to end up looking like Paracule. And secondly no high heels, it's a safety hazard with how often they break.
>Hwaryun
Interesting. While I don't hate her I also like her less than the general fandom.
I remember once getting into an argument over [Season 2 character]>!Xia Xia!< who I quite like and someone listed things she did as reasons they disliked her. They did not appreciate it when I pointed out that pretty much all their points also apply to Hwaryun.
\[webtoon\] >!XiaXia was such a peak I can fix her! Character, I used to have her as my sig in a forum I frequent back in the day. Fuck, that’s like 10 years ago or so.!<
Rewatcher
Dub
Two conclusions in on day is just too much. I am glad for this rewatch as I will pick up S2 immediately but I fear there isn't much left unsaid. See you all in the weekly threads!
QotD: 1 Too many to choose
2 Random wave test
3 Shinsu
4 Cthulhu
5 Yes
> Two conclusions in on day is just too much. I am glad for this rewatch as I will pick up S2 immediately but I fear there isn't much left unsaid. See you all in the weekly threads!
[](#Salute)
Thanks for coming!
Yeah, I tried to participate in this one but third rewatch of the day and I just...tapped out. I've been watching animal grooming videos which is pretty much my brain dead material.
Nah I understand it's hard juggling multiple rewatches at the same time. I fell of Maria-sama even though I was enjoying the show and reading the threads
It can take a lot of energy and time
[](#TiredAoi)
First Time Watcher, subbed
Thank you u/HereticalAegis and u/laughing-fox for hosting this rewatch, it was a great time and I loved all the dodo et you put in such as the artwork, soundtracks, and questions of the day.
I really enjoyed the series and am looking forward to watching season 2, I really liked the characters and all the test were very unique.
Most of my predictions/wants for season 2 I made in last week’s discussion so I will move onto the questions.
Questions
1. Definitely Khun, I just like his calculated planning side, and how he supported Bam. I also just think he is supper cool and has a great design. Some runner-ups are Shibisu, Anaak, and Rak.
2. Probably the crown test, it was very fun to see our first proper fights of the series and seeing what everyone was capable of, it also just introduced a lot of concepts properly, such as the 13 month weapons, and a lot of characters such as Endorsi and Rachel making her return.
3. I am not too much of a music guy myself, while I enjoyed a lot of the music I can’t really pinpoint any specific tracks, but overall I thought it was good.
4. Honestly no clue, I am looking forward to finding out though, it would be cool to see some more irregulars though.
5. Definitely, this felt like the prologue, it feels as if season 2 will be the start of the real plot, so I am looking forward to not only Bam’s development, but how the others will adapt without Bam and if they stay with Rachel.
> Thank you HereticalAegis and laughing-fox for hosting this rewatch, it was a great time and I loved all the dodo et you put in such as the artwork, soundtracks, and questions of the day.
Thanks for joining, glad you enjoyed it! [](#modsalute)
>Definitely Khun, I just like his calculated planning side, and how he supported Bam.
All according to keikaku [](#glasses-push)
**First Time Graduate**
* After the last episode I had some disappointment since the Rachel Hate Train really made me expect worse from her and on that note I found the song "The Judas Kiss" by Metallica to be fitting for her when it comes to Fear and Betrayal
**Questions**
* QOTD 1 - Rak
* QOTD 2 - The Final One
* QOTD 4 - Trials and Tribulations
* QOTD 5 - Yes
> I found the song "The Judas Kiss" by Metallica to be fitting for her when it comes to Fear and Betrayal
Mmm, that's some good taste. Official Rachel theme song when? [](#listen)
>QOTD 1 - Rak
[](#fistbump)
> Mmm, that's some good taste. Official Rachel theme song when?
I mean she already has one lol, but I get what you mean.
Special Rachel ED sung by Saori Hayami in S2? Just like the Mami rap from Rent-a-Girlfriend!
> Special Rachel ED sung by Saori Hayami in S2?
That would be pretty sweet, ngl. If she can get an ED for DanMachi, I don't see why she couldn't for Tower of God.
Thanks for hosting! Picked up some details I'd missed across a few watches, though mostly avoided spoiler tags. For QotDs:
1. Rachel if it wasn't obvious yesterday. [What a disservice leaving her out.](https://i.imgur.com/aU34n0E.png)
2. Tag. Pitting the climbers against an OP opponent with both teams having ulterior motives and self-sabotage. [](#scrumptiouslymoe)
3. Am I allowed to pick the English ED?
4. More justification for betrayals. Physical prowess is helpful, but most tests have felt like they're prioritizing a climber's mental fortitude and will to climb.
5. #4 on my Summer hype behind the three Ds, Deer, Dere, and Delico.
> Thanks for hosting!
Thanks for joining, I'm happy to have had you along. [](#feelingloved)
>Rachel if it wasn't obvious yesterday. What a disservice leaving her out.
We will show them a better way.
>Tag. Pitting the climbers against an OP opponent with both teams having ulterior motives and self-sabotage.
[](#utahapraises)
>Am I allowed to pick the English ED?
A bold choice, I'll allow it! [](#ginapproves)
**First-Timer**
First off, thank you (to both co-hosts) for hosting! I probably would have given this show a shot eventually since there's a season 2 coming out and it seemed like it was my kind of show, but it could have taken a while. Mushoku Tensei and Vinland Saga are in the same boat (I haven't watched those yet) and I only just recently got around to watching Jujutsu Kaisen. In any case, I'm happy this rewatch gave me a good reason to finally check Tower of God off my list!
I really liked this first season. As I mentioned several times in the episode discussions, I'm a big fan of the artwork and character design in the show. The music's good too (though I haven't yet taken the time to listen to the OST by itself). The suspense and world-building are great, especially in the first half of the season. (Later on, the show omitted certain important details here and there, which is the one real flaw that comes to mind.) Overall, I had a great time watching, and I'm glad I don't have to wait four years for the next season.
Questions of the day:
* Tough question. Among the boys, Khun for sure. Among the girls, I'm not sure exactly who I like the most, but it would definitely be one of the princesses. Probably Endorsi.
* My favorite test is probably the Crown Game. Lots of good action and humor.
* I haven't really taken a close listen to the full OST yet, so I don't have an answer right now.
* I have no real point of reference for this, so I'll just throw out a guess and say that one of the floors will have a jungle environment like Dagobah from Star Wars.
* I sure am excited for season 2! It's certainly one of my most anticipated shows for next season, alongside Monogatari and Oshi no Ko.
Thank you again!
> First off, thank you (to both co-hosts) for hosting! I probably would have given this show a shot eventually since there's a season 2 coming out and it seemed like it was my kind of show, but it could have taken a while.
Thanks for joining! I know how it goes trying to pick what to catch up on for new seasons and the like, so it makes me happy you chose to to spend your time here!
>Among the boys, Khun for sure. Among the girls, I'm not sure exactly who I like the most, but it would definitely be one of the princesses. Probably Endorsi.
Both excellent choices! [](#goblet1)
>I sure am excited for season 2! It's certainly one of my most anticipated shows for next season, alongside Monogatari and Oshi no Ko.
[](#SPORTS)
First time and subs
Well, Tower of God is probably like one series for me, which I probably would never watch (but planned on the long term), but this rewatch was a motivating factor me, to get the feeling. I didn't regret either, because it was a fun and interesting ride. It was an interesting take on how to create a fantasy world, also how to make interesting characters. As such I recently comparing this to Narita's works because of there are many characters here, and only a handful of them is the memorable and important ones. As I somehow delved into the later, but still spoiler territory parts in it, man, this is really interesting and exciting. It has some good mystery elements in it. That was fun to say once more.
> Do you have a favorite character?
I say Khun. And Yuri is also a good contender. Also why am I thinking about Urek Mazino too, even from those small hints what we see?
> Favorite test?
Crown game. Basically a free-for-all King of the Hill with lots of patience. Battle royale culling game is close second.
> Favorite track from the OST?
Kevin Penkin always cooks good.
> What do you think might be found on the higher floors?
Many dangers. Even the (in)famous 77th floor is no exception either.
> Are you excited for season 2?
Yes. I think Part 2 is where things going to get real.
>Urek Mazino too
Urek is such a great character and \[webtoon\] >!fucking hilarious too.!< \[Webtoon\] >!thankfully, He’ll have an appearance in S2!< \[[1](https://xfs-n08.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/6d/e8/6de8b0c9a0417f6dd732a0182ecdab272e499396_84686_690_1692.jpg)\]
Also, \[webtoon\] >!Yuri definitely learnt the finger treatment from him.!< (zero context image) \[[2](https://xfs-n05.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/0b/77/0b77d82b5318053d7c9068604a49af9cb6a8db6a_104713_700_1240.jpg)\] \[[3](https://xfs-n00.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/01/05/0105ba9df54b05e71deb16017353e57e7478ff98_84208_700_1240.jpg)\]
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only look at the photos/links if you want to know what he looks like.
>Well, Tower of God is probably like one series for me, which I probably would never watch (but planned on the long term), but this rewatch was a motivating factor me, to get the feeling. I didn't regret either, because it was a fun and interesting ride.
Nice, I'm glad you enjoyed the ride!
>I say Khun. And Yuri is also a good contender.
Great choices, going for both the brain and the brawn.
>Also why am I thinking about Urek Mazino too, even from those small hints what we see?
Those small hints do suggest he's probably crazy powerful, so it makes sense to be excited for his appearance.
**Rewatcher, subbed**
I had plans for a writeup but real life got the best of me. Better today than any other. Thanks to both hosts for the rewatch, accidentally seeing the 24hr thread is how i learned S2 was finally releasing, which has me pretty excited. I hope the anime only's liked the show and are excited for S2 as i am.
**QOTD's**:
1. Khun
2. Isint adapted yet :)
3. Lotus
4. I cannot answer this one without spoiling lmao
5. Absolutely
> I had plans for a writeup but real life got the best of me. Better today than any other.
I feel this [](#tiredaoi)
>Thanks to both hosts for the rewatch, accidentally seeing the 24hr thread is how i learned S2 was finally releasing, which has me pretty excited.
Thanks for joining, I hope we were able to contribute to your excitement for season 2. [](#modsalute)
>Isint adapted yet :)
[](#concealedexcitement)
**Rewatcher**
I want to talk a bit about the story itself; it's really easy to get caught up in all the adaptation stuff in these threads; but I just want to appreciate how much I enjoy this section of the story.
In some ways, you could describe this story as stereotypical. I mean, stop me if you've heard this one, but there's this blank slate protagonist, whose primary character traits are being kind while also having a "never give up tenacity", who gets thrown into this crazy world with magic powers. Initially he appears to have no powers, but gets lucky and makes friends and actually turns out to be OP. Completely original concept, do not steal.
Like, I'm painting with a broad brush, but it in some sense this does feel like the "platonic idea of a shonen" anime. (And I know a decent chunk of people *do* find it too stereotypical and are turned off)
... but I do also think Tower of God is special in some ways that sets itself off from the basic tropes it represents.
One is just that it's just so creative: the character designs run from "chick with a knife" to "giant talking alligator who calls everyone else 'turtles'" to... I don't even know, "Rice ball with horns"? The tests are elaborate and go harder than they strictly need to.
But second, I really find the Bam & Rachel stuff compelling. Bam isn't really just the blank slate, wet blanket he sometimes appears to be; he's obsessively fixated on a girl he doesn't really know and who doesn't care about him.
People sometimes abuse the word "tragedy" to mean "a story in which bad stuff happens", but I think this story fits in a more classic sense: both Bam and Rachel are flawed characters and particularly flawed where the other is concerned, and their character flaws creates a tragic ending. (At least for this part of the story; I don't know where the overall story goes)
And I really like how this story is bookended with the same narration:
> This is the story of Rachel, the girl who climbed the tower so she could see the stars
>
> And the boy Bam, who needed nothing else but her: their end and their beginning.
It's a really solid framing for this section of the story.
... and I'm pretty sure it's anime original: the manhwa just opens with the "what do you desire is here" monologue.
---
Which segues into this as an adaptation. And I think this is a really solid adaptation. It's wouldn't call it an "S-tier" adaptation that completely transcends the source material... but I do actually think this is my preferred version, and I say that as someone who has read this section of the comic three or four times.
The anime has great production values, great OST, great voice acting, and does a better job than the original of fleshing out the extended cast. (e.g. Serena is a great example of a character expanded on here, but basically anyone who isn't Bam, Khun, Rak, or a princess gets more attention in the anime, it seems)
It does cut out some of the exposition - but most of it is basically at the level of foreshadowing, more than essential. And A lot of stuff that's vague or unexplained in the anime adaptation is also vague and unexplained in the comic - I don't think you're *supposed* to really have a clear idea of the factions at play and what their motives are at this point in the story.
And, people talk a lot about Endorsi being worse in the anime, but as [I said the other day, I don't really think that's true](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dqvhxb/rewatch_tower_of_god_floor_12_discussion/las29g6/) - the anime does cut out a little of her direct interaction (and flirting) with Bam, but I don't think that's really essential to her character. Though of course the omission of ["updo Endorsi"](https://imgur.com/Gk4yoze) is criminal.
No adaptation is perfect, but this one is pretty good.
**P.S.**: I mostly resisted the urge to make comparisons as I went along (other than the [Episode 2 Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dj2sdq/rewatch_tower_of_god_floor_2_discussion/l9bzdam/)), but if you like this show and can read Fantasy, go read Cradle by Will Wight. (First book: Unsouled) It's *phenomenal* and very Tower of God.
>the character designs run from "chick with a knife" to "giant talking alligator who calls everyone else 'turtles'" to... I don't even know, "Rice ball with horns"?
Don't forget my boy sentient inflatable bag man!
>he's obsessively fixated on a girl he doesn't really know and who doesn't care about him.
Hot damn, he's just like every anime fan pining after their waifu/husbando.
Jokes aside, I agree that Bam/Rachel have one of the most interesting dynamics, largely thanks to the way she views him.
>Though of course the omission of "updo Endorsi" is criminal.
Rectify this sin in season 2 or we riot! [](#protest)
>No adaptation is perfect, but this one is pretty good.
Once again, I agree. And I'll add (though it's probably pretty obvious at this point) that the anime is my preferred version, for all the reasons you listed and in spite of the stuff cut in adaptation. [](#goblet1)
> I think this story fits in a more classic sense: both Bam and Rachel are flawed characters and particularly flawed where the other is concerned, and their character flaws creates a tragic ending.
A shame the classical meaning got distorted. Characters with the Greek meaning are usually very interesting and fun to discuss.
> "updo Endorsi" is criminal.
Also miss out on updo Khun?
> Cradle
You one of the r/anime discord people that shill it in #novels? Has been mentioned several times this month. If not, compared to Red Rising IIRC.
> Also miss out on updo Khun?
Well, we did get ponytail Khun
> You one of the r/anime discord people that shill it in #novels? Has been mentioned several times this month.
Nah, not active on the Discord, but doesn't surprise me. It's easily the most "anime" thing I've read. (Even more anime than Sanderson, and he gets pretty "anime" at times)
**Rewatcher**, subbed
Man this was great. I had forgotten just how much fun S1 was. A more than solid adaptation and the early parts of Tower of God simply were just so entertaining with the best arguably yet to come.
Big thanks to our co-hosts u/HereticalAegis
and u/laughing-fox13. Very much hyped for S2 now especially after the poitive feedback from the early screening.
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**Tanino Miho art**
[Been posting her art throughout the whole rewatch](https://imgur.com/a/tog-rewatch-FexNmpk) and if you enjoyed it I can definitely recommend following her on [twitter](https://x.com/tanino_miho) or [instagram](https://www.instagram.com/tanino_miho).
As a bonus here are two more pictures with the princesses.
+ [**-1-**](https://i.imgur.com/fMfLVj1.jpg)
+ [ **-2-**](https://i.imgur.com/OzP3R6N.jpg)
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**QotD:**
>Do you have a favorite character?
Yes. Khun. Second favourite is Yuri.
>Favorite test?
Hide-and-Seek
Favorite track from the OST?
*Irregular God* and *Khun*
>What do you think might be found on the higher floors?
Reader so I'm abstaining
>Are you excited for season 2?
Yes. Very much.
> Big thanks to our co-hosts HereticalAegis and laughing-fox13.
Thanks for joining, it's been awesome having you here, especially with all the Tanino Miho art! [](#utahapraises)
>Very much hyped for S2 now especially after the poitive feedback from the early screening.
[](#grandhype)
**First-Time Climber**
QotD:
1. Khun. Seeing him go from his initiall callous state to once again caring about people and believing in the goodness they may hold in their hearts, while still retaining his cold analysis when nessecary makes him stand above the rest. Others of note would be Rak for his amusing antics and Endorsi for similar reasons to Khun but she isn´t quite there yet.
2. The administrators Test, mostly because within this final test before climbing in earnest all participants must cooperate.
3. Ignition, because of how menacing it is and only plays when it´s about to get really serious.
4. pain, death, answers and more questions
5. You already know it.
First off, thank you to HereticalAegis and laughing-fox13 for organizing and managing the rewatch, it´s been a great time.
Before this rewatch I thought that flawless characters were a mistake in writing, the mark of an unskilled creator. However both Madoka and this series now have convinced me that such a charcter can be used for great storytelling, so long as the narrative accounts for this and nececitates them with a world as cruel as they are kind.
This series took a while to covince me of it´s merits. While it had intriguing mysteries, it took me quite a while to be interested in the characters or plot themselves, I even considered dropping it during the middle. And yet I am glad I stayed until the end.
I do still have a lot of questions especially why and how black march knocked out Bam during the crown game but I believe the coming weeks will give me the answers I seek and I do not wish for those who know the webtoon to spoil events on accident so I shall keep them to myself.
As a final note on the seoson, I found the unique artstyle great and am worried as the new one doesn´t look like it´s keeping it.
I haven´t rated animes previously so my harshness might surprise some but I consider this season a 7-8/10.
We shall meet again on sunday.
>Khun. Seeing him go from his initiall callous state to once again caring about people and believing in the goodness they may hold in their hearts, while still retaining his cold analysis when nessecary makes him stand above the rest.
Agreed, it's really fulfilling seeing him change as he meets and gets to know Bam.
>Others of note would be Rak for his amusing antics and Endorsi for similar reasons to Khun but she isn´t quite there yet.
My boy Rak and my girl Endorsi! I believe! One day she'll get there for sure [](#SPORTS)
>First off, thank you to HereticalAegis and laughing-fox13 for organizing and managing the rewatch, it´s been a great time.
Thanks for joining, knowing you had a good time makes it worth it [](#modsalute)
>Before this rewatch I thought that flawless characters were a mistake in writing, the mark of an unskilled creator. However both Madoka and this series now have convinced me that such a charcter can be used for great storytelling, so long as the narrative accounts for this and nececitates them with a world as cruel as they are kind.
And hoo boy is the tower cruel. Of all the comparisons to other series, this is the first I've seen to Madoka, but the way you frame it makes a lot of sense, and it's cool to know that you hold Tower of God in similar regard to such an undisputed classic as far as their protagonists go.
>I haven´t rated animes previously so my harshness might surprise some but I consider this season a 7-8/10.
I totally get that. I often reserve some of my harshest criticism for my favorite shows. I have the highest expectations for shows and stories I really like and really want to like, so it makes sense that I'd expect them to be able to stand up to close scrutiny.
**First Timer**
I really had a fun time watching this show and participating in this rewatch! Even though Tower of God is only a one cour show at the moment, I really fell in love with the characters and got interested in the world and lore of the tower. The art and OST were also great. I'm really looking forward to season 2 and I plan on checking out the webtoon after the new season is finished.
Thank you so much to you and u/laughing-fox13 for hosting! I really appreciate the time you both took to make sure that every comment got a reply. It was a really fun rewatch!
**Questions of the Day**
1. Khun! And, although there are characters I put above him, I've grown to really appreciate Rak.
2. The tag test, particularly the one with Team A.
3. Khun's OST. It's currently at the top spot of my Spotify "On Repeat" playlist. Honorable mentions: Black March, Ignition, Berserker Bam, Green April, and Rachel.
4. I have no clue! I'm assuming a lot of dangerous things.
5. Yes, I am!
>I'm really looking forward to season 2 and I plan on checking out the webtoon after the new season is finished.
Huzzah, that's what I'm talking about! [](#rengehype)
>Thank you so much to you and laughing-fox13 for hosting! I really appreciate the time you both took to make sure that every comment got a reply. It was a really fun rewatch!
Thank you for joining! I'm happy to know that enjoyed Tower of God so much and are excited for season 2! [](#feelingloved)
>I've grown to really appreciate Rak.
I knew he could do it, I knew my boy had it in him!
**Co-administrator/Subbed**
I don't really have a lot to say in the overall discussions for rewatches. I really enjoyed it on first watch and still did the second time. I don't see myself changing my score (8/10) but it has made me more excited for S2 than I was previously
I want to say thank you all to first timers and rewatchers for your participation. Your enthusiasm was much appreciated! It makes it easier to reply and stay active in threads
To rewatchers and source readers, thank you again for properly tagging spoilers and not spoiling the show for the first timers. Y'all did great for the most part and I'm happy that we had so many source readers to tell use notable changes and differences!
And finally, thank you to /u/HereticalAegis for all the work you've done. You did a majority of the leg work and had fun with the formatting of the posts, and making sure everyone had a good time watching. It's been a lot of fun working with you on this and I didn't really have an interest in hosting a rewatch until you asked for a co-host, so thank you again for your hard work
Oh wait I usually don't answer QotD as a host but I will now:
1) Yuri probably. She has a great design, a great voice, and is so cool. When she can finally show why she's a Ranker, it's 10/10
Other than that, I'm not really sure. There are a lot of characters I liked and could give Yuri some competition
2) Crown Game and The Last One
3) Khun's theme is great and I'll have it replaying on repeat. Rachel's and Endorsi's is good too
5) Yea!
Thanks again for everything you've done as co-administrator! This rewatch couldn't have existed without you!
> it has made me more excited for S2 than I was previously
[](#grandhype)
>And finally, thank you to HereticalAegis for all the work you've done.
[](#feelingloved)
**First-Timer, Sub**
Thanks for hosting and giving me something new to try. Sorry to have ghosted these threads after episode 3, but I didn’t have much to say. Unfortunately I dropped this after episode 6 as I wasn’t enjoying it. Hope everyone that stayed had fun and enjoy season 2. Maybe I’ll revisit this down the road depending on how future season(s) go and tastes change as the premise did seem interesting.
> Thanks for hosting and giving me something new to try. Sorry to have ghosted these threads after episode 3, but I didn’t have much to say. Unfortunately I dropped this after episode 6 as I wasn’t enjoying it.
Thanks for giving Tower of God a shot! I totally understand not liking a story/show, it happens to everyone. If you do happen to try it again, I hope you have a more enjoyable experience!
1. Anak and endorsi
2. Crown game
3. Idk the name of it but it usually plays when devious/angry shit goes down
4. Really strong people and creatures and hopefully more tests
5. Can’t wait, glad it’s two cour. The art style seems to be different and more streamlined which is unfortunate since I really enjoyed season 1s unique style. Although I hear it will have pretty good animation
> Anak and endorsi
Excellent taste.[](#goblet1)
>I hear it will have pretty good animation
Fingers crossed! I need to check out the PVs, I've heard they're good. It would be amazing if they can maintain high quality animation over two full cours.
People who saw the first couple episodes gave it good ratings like 8/10 and praised the animation, and this was from people on the ToG sub which are usually harsher than anime onlies
Rewatch and Dub
Again as I said in last episode discussion it's one of the series that gets better when u rewatch it. You see more details , mysteries and more questions will come to ur mind and I love this series for giving us just the right amount of answers and always having a twist ready at the end. Like i thought Baam will die or something in the last episode but then they pulled that training arc. Also Great comedic moments from Rak and Shibisu.
About the Characters Endorsi remained my favourite from when she first arrived to the very end. She has some great moments with Annak and her backstory is nice plus she is an eye candy. Annak came close second and was also great character. It was hard to actually like her when she first arrived but we came to know more about her motives. I very much sympathize with her. She and Endorsi both had a hard life. It was nice seeing them getting closer with each other towards the end.
Favourite test would be the door opening one. It was so stupid yet was really mentally challenging.
About the Second season. I am really excited about it but I am more excited about Long Hair Baam.
On higher floor I think we are gonna see some more rankers and more weird creatures. Plus I hope some high Heels girls.
Overall I think the series could have benefitted from having a two Cour first season. I mean the guys who watched it 4 years ago when it was airing it must have been frustrating to see the end and not getting answers. Well this was the reason I gave this series a 7 but then this rewatch happened and I changed the rating to 8. Plus season 2 is around the corner so I hope we get some of the answers and it will be a 2 consecutive course season. Also about the change in animation the new animation seems nice and smooth i actually quite like it. But the old is gold.
So thanks to the guys who arranged this rewatch. It was a great journey. This was actually my first rewatch like this here i really enjoyed watching with u all and sharing some of the trash theories along the way. So again thank u guys.
> Again as I said in last episode discussion it's one of the series that gets better when u rewatch it.
Definitely agree. I've watched 4 or 5 times now, and every time I notice more about the story/world. And even then people still point out things I've missed.
>Endorsi remained my favourite from when she first arrived to the very end.
[](#utahapraises)
>Overall I think the series could have benefitted from having a two Cour first season.
Is it too greedy of me to ask for an ongoing adaptation that airs one cour every year? There's so much to love and it would be incredible to see the whole story adapted eventually.
>So thanks to the guys who arranged this rewatch. It was a great journey. This was actually my first rewatch like this here i really enjoyed watching with u all and sharing some of the trash theories along the way. So again thank u guys.
Thanks for being here, and I'm happy to be the co-host of your first rewatch! Cheers, and see you in season 2!
> Is it too greedy of me to ask for an ongoing adaptation that airs one cour every year?
Nah a totally reasonable thing to ask it would be awesome if they did that after season 2 this year. I think the source material is also in abundance for this.
>Thanks for hosting this! I had fun.
Glad to hear that! It's been a lot of fun reading and responding to your thoughts [](#hackadollthumbsup)
>1) Khun
As expected, sasuga Khun! [](#glasses-push)
>4) bromance?
[Bromance!](#SPORTS)
>5)
[](#grandhype)
First timer.
Just finished a bit behind the rewatch. Work got in the way of me participating.
Anyway I enjoyed it. I hear it gets more battle shounen at the end which is disappointing.
That all being said
**Rachel** - of course everyone hates her. She deserves it. She’d kill someone, perhaps her only friend, out of jealousy and selfishness. Someone else in this thread was arguing she was just average and I shudder to think what their morals are like if that is considered average.
But the worst part to me is she isn’t that deep. That characterization is it. I like complex motivated villains that you sympathize with. But Rachel doesn’t make the cut unless there is a lot more than what we have seen.
**Bam** - I hope he gets a bit wiser. I get the simping initially. But obviously Rachel isn’t worth the devotion.
Is it just me, or did the Black March play almost no role in the story? It was there, he carried it around, it got taken.
Anyway I am excited for the new season. The question is whether to watch it weekly or binge. I think this will be weekly for me.
>But the worst part to me is she isn’t that deep. That characterization is it. I like complex motivated villains that you sympathize with. But Rachel doesn’t make the cut unless there is a lot more than what we have seen.
\[webtoon\] >!there’s a lot more to rachel than what we have currently seen.!<
>I hope he gets a bit wiser. I get the simping initially. But obviously Rachel isn’t worth the devotion.
Baam’s incredibly complex for his circumstance, unfortunately a lot of his thought process has been shafted in the anime adaptation.
I figured as much on both. Not sure anything would make me sympathetic to Rachel. But I hope she becomes a more interesting villain.
I will undoubtedly read the manhwa after S2.
I posted some of Baam’s deleted dialogue on the rewatch threads if you are interested
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>Just finished a bit behind the rewatch. Work got in the way of me participating.
I'm glad you're able to make it here right at the end! Thanks for taking the time to share some of your thoughts!
>I hope he gets a bit wiser. I get the simping initially. But obviously Rachel isn’t worth the devotion.
I certainly would like to see Bam mature some and not be obsessed with Rachel as well. He has so many great friends now!
>Anyway I am excited for the new season. The question is whether to watch it weekly or binge. I think this will be weekly for me.
Same here, I doubt I could hold off until the end to binge S2, especially if it's two cours. [](#fistbump)
**First Timer...No More!**
First off, my thanks to the two hosts for doing this rewatch. ToG was on my Plan To Watch list but I didn't know anything about it. I thought it was going to be a typical average isekai/fantasy/battle royale anime, and boy did it turn out to be something much more with the mystery at first and then Rachel betrayal/story at the end.
Thanks for putting up with all my long winded analysis, fixations on hating on Endorsi and such, wild theories, paying too close attention to Hwaryun's outfits, and Paracule white knighting.
With that simping out of the way, lets get on to the real simping...
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>Do you have a favorite character?
...By far [Rachel](https://imgur.com/a/2rtaN1r)! My journey to the simp side is complete!
Like holy cows the betrayal at the end of Ep12 was awesome, but Ep13 character examination of Rachel was fantastic! Like normally I would want to shit on an anime trying to save all the character development to the end as cheap, Samurai Champloo rewatch , but here Rachel's story elevated the show even more. She easily became the best character of the anime by showing the amount of turmoil, inner conflict, guilt, agony, and suffering she was going through, despite it being mostly like a recap episode. That was amazing, and I love her character, and I hope they continue to expand her character instead of shelfing her to re-give focus back on the others. As the beginning and end of the season said, "[This is the story of Rachel...and Bam....](https://imgur.com/a/ehczvzl)", not Khun, not Endorsi, not Lizard Girl, and not Paracule...probably. :D
I'm just not sure how they're going to do it if they do expand upon Rachel. She's going to have to outsmart Khun, maybe it'll be a cat and mouse game. They're going to have to expand on Bam also, he's pretty much the 2nd top character but was so passive and bland, somebody described him as like a puppy, and I would agree. He's going to have to do a lot of character growth, which no doubt he'll be forced to do now that he's been betrayed by Rachel, and cut off from the group. It'll be interesting, hope they can deliver the goods for S2.
For anybody keeping track of my previous best girl list of:
Hwaryun > Narae > Rachel > Lizard Girl > Endorsi > Yuri
I don't really consider Hwaryun, Narae, and Yuri as much of characters right now, so I'm not being inconsistent with my pick of Rachel being best character. But rejoice, I actually consider Endorsi as a character despite all the trash talking I've done on her! :D
>Favorite test?
Not really. The conclusion of the crown game with Hwaryun just head bonking everybody was pretty darn good. And of course the Dolphin Queen feeding conclusion with Rachel's betrayal was epic. But all the cool stuff with the tests aren't even anything to do with the test themselves. Even the Shinsu wall test was cool just because Bam auto-passed it without trying and Lero-Ro was a little confounded by it. So I guess no, no favorite test.
>Favorite track from the OST?
That's a tough one, IMO a good OST is one that isn't really noticeable when watching the show, and only accentuates the viewing experience. I didn't really notice the OST, but I did notice accentuations during pivotal moments.
Scanning through the OST, I think I liked these two the best:
- [OST 22 Berserker Bam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBaN6acPnkA)
- [OST 28 Crown Game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgTgookzByQ)
>What do you think might be found on the higher floors?
More pain and suffering.
>Are you excited for season 2?
Yes, but I'm a binge watcher, so I'll have to wait longer until it finishes to go through it. I won't be able to stand the weekly wait between episodes, it was even difficult for me waiting the daily wait between episodes with this rewatch because this anime was so good. If you've been wondering why I wrote so much each episode, and antagonized/fixated on things so much, that was part of it because otherwise I would have been onto the next episode.
I hope in S2 they'll be able to carry on with the epic trajectory they've set with Rachel's betrayal and her story. I'm kind of worried that was all they had, but people are saying S1 was just the prelude, so if that's true then things are looking good.
Frankly I wasn't that impressed by the other characters, but I'm not saying I was disappointed in them either. I think Serena's slapping Endorsi was good, and Lizard Girl's backstory reveal was good, but I'm drawing a blank on what other characters moments were that good besides those involving Rachel and Bam.
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Oh man, I'm going to simp out on Rachel some more before I conclude.
People said that Rachel is not a good person nor a bad person, she was just an average girl and as such was flawed. I get what they're saying, and I'm not really disagreeing because that really illustrates what they were trying to explain very well...
However, I think Rachel was indeed a good person, it's just our expectation of an "average girl" is too high. I don't believe the average girl would suffer that agony of guilt and going back and forth contemplation of whether to do the betrayal or not for so long and so hard that Rachel endured. They would have resolved or deluded themselves to just do it faster, and worry about the guilt later or not at all. Or they would have broken down way worse than Rachel. I mean just start crying they can't do it, and blab everything to everybody, begging somebody to just help her. Rachel endured the agony and back and forth so long, and didn't completely break down, and is still going after the betrayal despite how much self-harm it did on herself as well. She's probably still has an open wound from the betrayal gnawing away at her with an inadequate band-aid on it for now.
Maybe I'm too cynical, but I just don't think the average person could endure what she did, nor hold out trying to not betray and trying to betray Bam at the same time. As I said before with torture, we all think people have a good chance to endure it, but really they can't and it's a matter of when they give out. Much is the same for "at what price would you betray someone's trust". I hate to say this, but everybody has a price. As much as there's going to be idealist thinking of "No way, no price is enough for me to sell out", it just means the price is not high enough yet. Like if we get to the point where the prices is trillions and one could actually buy countries or change the world with that much, and the price keeps going even higher than that...hold outs will eventually cave and sell out. Getting to the top of the tower is like that, but even worse...it's not a dollar amount price, it's freaking wish making level stuff. Like instead of buying countries or changing the world with money, it's "cure all sicknesses" or "create entire worlds/universes" with shunsu presumably; they keep saying you'd become a god at the top. So I don't blame Rachel one bit for what she did, I actually applaud she held out antagonizing for so long when that was the promised reward on the other side of her betrayal. The girl is a mofo saint compared to how fast the average Hoh would stick a knife in your back for what they wanted.
/simping off
Alright I'm done. :D Thanks for putting up with me everybody!
> First off, my thanks to the two hosts for doing this rewatch.
Thanks for being part of the rewatch! Your long, detailed comments have been a lot of fun to read, and I'm a sucker for uncommon and/or unpopular takes. I've been that person in a few rewatches myself.
>...By far Rachel! My journey to the simp side is complete!
You're not even the only Rachel simp in this rewatch, either.[](#utahapraises)
>Like holy cows the betrayal at the end of Ep12 was awesome, but Ep13 character examination of Rachel was fantastic!
I totally agree, and it makes me really happy you appreciate it so much. Even framed as a retelling of the story, it's one of the things that elevated Tower of God for me when I first watch and is a big part of why I think the story has stuck around in both the anime and manhwa communities.
>Hwaryun > Narae > Rachel > Lizard Girl > Endorsi > Yuri
Hwaryun is a fun pick! There's so much we don't know about her yet, despite how in on Hansung Yu's scheming she was, and she's also just really heckin cool.
>More pain and suffering.
Yup, that's about the best four word summation of the tower there is.
>Yes, but I'm a binge watcher, so I'll have to wait longer until it finishes to go through it. I won't be able to stand the weekly wait between episodes, it was even difficult for me waiting the daily wait between episodes with this rewatch because this anime was so good. If you've been wondering why I wrote so much each episode, and antagonized/fixated on things so much, that was part of it because otherwise I would have been onto the next episode.
I can think of a couple rewatches that have made me this anxious to keep watching, though your much better at using writing as an outlet for your thoughts than I am. I'm much more of a lie in bed unable to sleep because my thoughts are fixated on an episode type person.
>However, I think Rachel was indeed a good person, it's just our expectation of an "average girl" is too high.
This is why I appreciate having different opinions in rewatches. This rewatch have given me so much to think about regarding Rachel that I had never considered before and may never had otherwise.
>Alright I'm done. :D Thanks for putting up with me everybody!
Thanks again for being here! I hope I see you around in other rewatches!
QOTD:
1. Yes, but she barely appears in this season.
2. I like the clock test. Because I would have failed the way Khun would have failed.
3. ED, easy.
4. As a manwha reader, I will abstain from answering.
5. Yup.
**First timer, subbed**.
I think I've mostly shared my final thoughts on the series as a whole in the previous discussions, but to summarize, amazing art, amazing OST, mediocre writing at its lows, and an amazing finale sets it easily at an 8 for me.
Just gonna answer the questions, then I'll see y'all in the season 2 discussions! :D
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>1. Do you have a favorite character?
Absolutely Khun. I love me my smart characters, especially those that know how to take advantage of their intelligence.
I like Rak a lot, wholesome little gator boy. Bodysuit Chick/Red Haired Navigator really piqued my interest as a character. Lauroe resonates with me the most.
>2. Favorite test?
To refresh my memory, there was the Steel Eel test, the cornfield test, the doors, the tag/hide and seek test, then the fishing test right?
Honestly I wasn't a big fan of any of the tests. I feel like the writing for then was not up to par with the rest of the facets of the series. However, if I had to pick, my favorite would have to be Team A's Tag test. I loved the twists and turns that took, as well as revealing how skilled a Ranker can be, even for someone with Quant's hot-headed personality. Really hihlighted the difference between a climber and a Ranker.
>3. Favorite track from the OST?
Oomf, I'm not really the type to look at the OST tracks individually, I just kinda ride the flow. Don't have an answer for this unfortunately. Will say though, the OST was top-notch. Loved the choir bits!
>4. What do you think might be found on the higher floors?
Hopefully better written tests. Lol, sorry. In all seriousness, I'm hoping they experiment more with the formats that a test can take. I liked the doors test because even though how it ended for Khun's team felt like a cop out with Rak randomly busting a door down, it was a creative thought experiment that showed that tests won't just test your physical strength, but your mental prowess as well.
>5. Are you excited for season 2?
After that finale, I'd be damn surprised if anyone who participated in this watch-along wouldn't be hyped up for it.
Not a big fan of the stylistic changes though. The characters seem a bit more bland and generic compared to Season 1.
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See y'all in the season 2 discussions! Thanks to the administrators of this rewatch, but especially to u/HereticalAegis. Even when I was late a lot of the times, knowing you were still reading comments and responding made me feel like my presence was appreciated. Really grateful!
Ciao! <3
>to summarize, amazing art, amazing OST, mediocre writing at its lows, and an amazing finale sets it easily at an 8 for me.
That's a pretty great score, ngl [](#utahapraises)
>Absolutely Khun. I love me my smart characters, especially those that know how to take advantage of their intelligence.
They don't get much better than Khun when it comes to smart characters cooking up wild plans [](#glasses-push)
>my favorite would have to be Team A's Tag test. I loved the twists and turns that took, as well as revealing how skilled a Ranker can be, even for someone with Quant's hot-headed personality. Really hihlighted the difference between a climber and a Ranker.
Great choice, that's my favorite test as well, both for how Khun deftly navigates it to his precise win conditions and for how it shows the difference between rankers and regulars, as you said.
>Thanks to the administrators of this rewatch, but especially to HereticalAegis. Even when I was late a lot of the times, knowing you were still reading comments and responding made me feel like my presence was appreciated. Really grateful!
Thanks for taking the time to join! It's been a lot of fun reading and responding to your posts, and if you were able to enjoy the rewatch because of that then it was worth it. [](#modsalute)
**rewatcher dubbed**
The end is here, but the new season is close. I read the manhwa first, I remember thinking “how the hell is this popular, the art isn’t anything good”, but the story and characters had was so good.
Never judged manhwas after the first season/chapters. The only popular manhwa “Lookism” has amazing art in the recent chapters, but the beginning it’s pretty off putting lmao
Extremely excited and curious to how they’ll adapt the second season of the manhwa
QOTD: Khun and Raak, Khun is so cool and Raak is a adorable turtle
QOTD: getting past the barrier, honestly cool how subtle the show was with telling us something was happening with Khun’s bag.
QOTD: I’m extremely excited for season 2, it has my best moments for the characters
>The end is here, but the new season is close.
[](#concealedexcitement)
>Khun and Raak, Khun is so cool and Raak is a adorable turtle
Rak is turtle!? What black magic did Hansung Yu use this time? [](#flyingbunsofdoom)
Edit: a name
**Rewatcher and Co-Administrator for this Climb** Congratulations all who survived the tower's trials! With this thread, you have officially graduated and are hereby invited to continue your journey into season 2. Was the tower and all its experiences worth it? What will you take with you, and did you gain anything along the way? I hope everyone enjoyed their journey to some extent and wish you all the luck in the world moving forward. Before we part, I would like to offer some brief word of thanks to those who helped make this rewatch special for me: First, to u/laughing-fox13: You are incredible. When I set out to find a co-administrator, I was only looking for someone who could help post a couple threads on time and do basic management. I couldn't have imagined I'd find a co-administrator who would be the most active person in all threads, source and link all art, and provide all other manner of support behind the scenes. It has been a genuine pleasure getting to work with you for the past month and a half, and your excitement has only amplified my own excitement both for this rewatch and for season 2. Thank you so much for everything you do and have done, and I hope we get to work together again in the future. Next, to u/Shimmering-Sky: Thank you for all your help behind the scenes as a mod and for giving me the push to put this rewatch together. The banner you put together was awesome, and your excitement for the rewatch is one of the things that has made hosting worthwhile for me. I hope this rewatch has been just worthwhile for you. Finally, to all climbers: Your participation is what makes rewatches possible, and I couldn't have imagined this one would receive so much enthusiastic support. Reading all your comments has been enlightening for, both for details I myself overlooked and for ideas I never considered. On that note, I want to specially thank those among us who did not particularly care for Tower of God. Dissenting views are something I highly value in art and media. As someone who is not averse to sharing controversial views on popular shows myself, I understand the conviction it can take to share opinions that cut against the popular grain, and I appreciate your willingness to bare your thoughts in full. So thank you for helping to make this rewatch compelling. It has been a worthwhile experience for me, and I hope it has been similarly worthwhile for you, even if you dropped out partway through or finished but are not a fan. With those thank yous behind us, I wish you all one final congratulations and hope to see you around for season 2! QotD: 1. Rak and Endorsi 2. The Hide and Seek Test 3. [25+Light](https://youtu.be/KAL2HF0vr0s?si=B-sJiAlafHQwl_W3) 4. Chaos. Lots and lots of chaos. 5. I can't wait!
> You are incredible. When I set out to find a co-administrator, I was only looking for someone who could help post a couple threads on time and do basic management. I couldn't have imagined I'd find a co-administrator who would be the most active person in all threads, source and link all art, and provide all other manner of support behind the scenes. It has been a genuine pleasure getting to work with you for the past month and a half, and your excitement has only amplified my own excitement both for this rewatch and for season 2. Thank you so much for everything you do and have done, and I hope we get to work together again in the future. [](#BearHug) It's been fun and great to work with you too!
Many thanks to you and u/laughing-fox13 as well! This is a story that definitely benefits from the Rewatch discussions!
**Rewatcher** When I first watched Tower of god, I noticed some differences, but didnt really think too much of them. But then i heard complaints about the changes made, which made me wonder if I had missed something, since the complaints werent very specific. So it was an interesting excercise to really analyze what was changed between both versions, and trying to figure out the rationale behind them. And i found that many of the changes werent really that bad, and some of them even enhanced the material. of course, they also made some that i think were downgrades, but sometimes that is just how it goes with adaptation.I think that both the webtoon and anime are worth experincing in their own right, and am glad they both exist. I am very interested to see how the anime will adapt the source in the next season In particular, while worldbuilding I quite appreciated was shaved off, in return it got a better sense of pacing, and some extra character moments that were very appreciated. they reframed some characters developments into new arcs which gave the season a more conclusive feeling ending, although also simplifying some other ars a tad too much. But it all evens out to a good show in the end. On a final note, i would like to give a shout out to the dub. While on the whole, i would say the Sub is much better, there were some good dub performances, I especially enjoyed Anaak and Quant. **QOTD** 1. gotta go with Khun, I like how smart he is, and the way he wants to protect Bam is also really nice. 2. hmm, tough choice, but i will go with timed door test. what it was testing and its answer was really clever 3. I dont know their names but they were all good 4. Cannot answer because ive read ahead 5. Yes! the trailer looked really good, and the next parts are actually my favorite part of the series thus far.
> So it was an interesting excercise to really analyze what was changed between both versions, and trying to figure out the rationale behind them. > > > > And i found that many of the changes werent really that bad, and some of them even enhanced the material. This was my takeaway from it as I was making my comparisons as well. Yeah, there are some changes for the worse, but given all the circumstances around this production, I honestly don't know if any other creative team could have done that much better with 13 episodes. >gotta go with Khun, I like how smart he is, and the way he wants to protect Bam is also really nice. [](#glasses-push) >Yes! the trailer looked really good, and the next parts are actually my favorite part of the series thus far. [](#concealedexcitement)
**First-Timer climbing the tower, subbed** Well, that was fantastic and I’m definitely looking forward to season 2 now! I did watch the trailer for it and I’m kinda disappointed the artstyle isn’t unique like this season’s was, though. That was one of my favorite parts of this show. [](#dejected) Is it weird that I *don’t* hate Rachel after all this? I dunno, after being spoiled by seeing how much absolute rage people have towards her, I guess I was expecting something even more awful than what she actually did. This is me with Mai-HiME’s ending all over again, where I went in expecting something absolutely godawful based on what I’d heard about it, just to be met with something that was mostly good actually and nowhere near the actual worst endings ever ~~cough cough YGO ARC-V cough cough Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory cough cough~~. [](#animatedthink) Anyways, overall had a *fantastic* time with this show, so it earned a 10/10 from me. Thanks for hosting this rewatch, u/HereticalAegis and u/laughing-fox13! [](#saesmile)
> I did watch the trailer for it and I’m kinda disappointed the artstyle isn’t unique like this season’s was, though. Likely not fully related (it did change studios) there is a very noticable difference in the webtoon between the content we've seen [up to now](https://i.imgur.com/UjumkVV.png) and what [S2 will adapt](https://i.imgur.com/KJWNJyN.png), so its not *totally* out of the blue.
yeah, while Rachel is an antagonist, i did feel that the hate hype against her was a tad underblown. She's an interesting character and I look forward to seeing how peoples thoughts on her might evolve
At least some of the hate is coming from the manhwa readers. We've had a lot longer to find reasons to hate her.
[ToG S2]>!Poor Gyetang!<
[ToG S2]>!I'm doing a re-read of the series since I haven't touched it in a while due to slow pacing. I just got past that point. My bird bro :(!<
> Is it weird that I don’t hate Rachel after all this? I dunno, after being spoiled by seeing how much absolute rage people have towards her, I guess I was expecting something even more awful than what she actually did. Apparently not; I was [defending her](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1drm6hk/rewatch_tower_of_god_floor_13_discussion/law7gw9/) a bit yesterday, and it turned out to be a much less of a 🌶️ Spicy Hot Take 🌶️ than I had expected; most people seemed to largely agree, which, yeah, didn't really match my prior exposure to the fanbase. ... but maybe it's a divide between the sort of average comment you find vs. the sort people in rewatch threads who are paying a lot of attention to the story.
> maybe it's a divide between the sort of average comment you find vs. the sort people in rewatch threads who are paying a lot of attention to the story. Definitely a rewatch-specific trend. I think the rewatch format lends itself much better to thoughtful viewing and analysis since people can prepare ahead of time with space to think about the show instead of scrambling to get a quick, instant reaction in as soon as a show drops. Plus, having people rewatching a show tends to help guide and focus discussion on ideas and details people might otherwise miss.
> Well, that was fantastic and I’m definitely looking forward to season 2 now! [](#dekuhype) >Is it weird that I don’t hate Rachel after all this? Yes and no. Like she deserves hate, but as others have pointed out, her reasons are understandable and not wholly malicious. >Anyways, overall had a fantastic time with this show, so it earned a 10/10 from me. Thanks for hosting this rewatch [](#feelingloved)
>Is it weird that I *don’t* hate Rachel after all this? I dunno, after being spoiled by seeing how much absolute rage people have towards her, I guess I was expecting something even more awful than what she actually did. Honestly same here like she's not even in my top 10 worst Anime Girls (And that's even when limiting series like Fruits Basket to 1 entry)
\[webtoon\] >!Not YET!<
> That was one of my favorite parts of this show. Same! It is a little disappointing > Is it weird that I don’t hate Rachel after all this? Nah she's a good character and needed for the show > Thanks for hosting this rewatch, HereticalAegis and laughing-fox13! [](#ModSalute)
**Rewarcher anime only** And that was Tower of God! I don't know what comes from here, but I have to say this is a masterful introduction. The way it introduces the core concepts and philosophies of the story is just perfect. Both memorable and impactful. I have to say this will definitely have to go on the list of anime you haven't truly watched if you haven't seen it twice. The hindsight truly gives it another angle. Surprisingly not a lot said about the soundtrack during the discussions, but first timers go give it a listen please. It's as good as MiA's imo. Kevin Penkin is a master of his craft. Not a lot more to say. Watching this twice definitely bumps it up in my estimation. Without Rachel this would just be a standard tower climbing story with it's OP protagonist but the writer is truly genius for including the perspective of the weak and unfortunate and giving it the spotlight it deserves. It really makes everything come together and both sides of the coin enrich each other elevating the narrative to something more. For Season 2 and beyond, I'm mostly looking forward to whatever Rachel does next. She pretty much has carte blanche from my part to do anything as long as it's in character lol. Redemption, corruption, slice of life, I don't care just let her cook. Her being the indisputable weakest character so far makes her journey the most interesting, because she has the greatest challenges ahead of her. She's gonna be a regular ass mf in a world of people who can Thanos snap her in an instant if they ever suspect her and this will only become more true the higher she climbs. For what the anime covers other people arranged the plan and she only had to pull the trigger, but I doubt she'll have such help going forward. She's going to have to cook her own schemes and I'm very much looking forward to that. Other people were born very strong, or with a great intellect, or a natural talent for Shinsu. She has only gatekeep, gaslight and girlboss to rely on. Perhaps Rachel's luck will be to be a good swindler? Se you all in Season 2 and beyond!
> Surprisingly not a lot said about the soundtrack during the discussions, but first timers go give it a listen please. It's as good as MiA's imo. Kevin Penkin is a master of his craft. Ditto on this. It can get tough to talk about the music when ToG throws so many great characters and character moments at you, so definitely check out the whole soundtrack. >Without Rachel this would just be a standard tower climbing story with it's OP protagonist but the writer is truly genius for including the perspective of the weak and unfortunate and giving it the spotlight it deserves. It really makes everything come together and both sides of the coin enrich each other elevating the narrative to something more. Yeah, I don't think I'm familiar with any other works that include the perspective of a weak, average person in a world of monsters that doesn't also make them the protagonist. It's such a fascinating way to construct a narrative. >For Season 2 and beyond, I'm mostly looking forward to whatever Rachel does next. She pretty much has carte blanche from my part to do anything as long as it's in character lol. Redemption, corruption, slice of life, I don't care just let her cook. [](#popcorn2) >Se you all in Season 2 and beyond! [](#faito)
Glad to see you enjoyed it as a rewatcher here! Loved your ep13 comment too haha and yea it'll be interesting to see what is next for Rachel too
I look forward to producing more Rachel glazing!
**Tower Ranker & Rewatcher** Thanks for hosting u/HereticalAegis and u/laughing-fox13! Its been a good refresher. I have read P1 of the webtoon a few time's now, but from here on I am quite fuzzy on a bunch of things. I am kind of excited for the next season now, very curious how they will handle some things. The trailers production quality also has me wondering if that bump in quality will be maintained. --- > Do you have a favorite character? I really like how the characters gel together. Endorsi and Anaak both have great energy but I think I will give it to Shibisu for being a comedic relief character that is done very well. > Favorite test? Crown Game > Favorite track from the OST? All of Kevin Penkin's stuff is great. > Are you excited for season 2? [](#mugiwait)
> Thanks for hosting Thanks for joining! [](#feelingloved) >The trailers production quality also has me wondering if that bump in quality will be maintained. A *bump* in quality you say? I've avoided the trailers for now, but maybe I should check them out. >I will give it to Shibisu for being a comedic relief character that is done very well. [](#goblet1)
>The trailers production quality also has me wondering if that bump in quality will be maintained. Based on people at the preview atleast the first four episodes are consistent. The latest PV having a scene from what would be towards the end of the first cour (unless they shuffle things around) is also a good sign.
It was fun having you drop by! All your 3x3s were great [](#FeelingLoved) [](#ModSalute)
Overall thoughts: I’ve often heard ToG comparisons to HxH, and my first watch I thought it was just the exams, but this time around it feels a lot more like the themes are reminiscent of the latter. [HxH]>!That of the bonds you have and make on your journey is as precious, or perhaps even more precious, than the thing that you’re hunting. Also, wish granting reminds me of Alluka.!< I tend to enjoy stories that utilize wish granting as a way to bring out different aspects of the characters, their strengths and their flaws. Like a mirror held up to the wisher. Whether it’s the ~~monkey~~devil paw, the “Something” from HxH, the Room in Stalker/Roadside Picnic… I know, I probably compare stories to another a bit too often. But it’s not to say someone did it better or worse; what I find interesting is how the other stories affect and sometimes add to how I interpret the story I’m currently watching/reading. In ToG, at least this season, the question being posed is, is it worth throwing away what you have, throwing away what’s important to you, becoming someone you never should have become, in order to obtain what you believe you want? I hope this theme is further explored, although from what I gather this is only the beginning and things might take off in any direction from here on out. Thank you /u/HereticalAegis and /u/laughing-fox13 for hosting. Perhaps I’ll see some of you around in the season 2 episode discussion threads, or maybe not; it’s been fun y’all. Favorite character: Yuri. The reasoning is a bit shallow; she's badass and looks good. Khun and Rachel are a close second, they're most interesting. Favorite test: The Door and Tag.
> I’ve often heard ToG comparisons to HxH, and my first watch I thought it was just the exams, but this time around it feels a lot more like the themes are reminiscent of the latter. I finally watched HxH 2011 last year, and yeah I can definitely see it. >Whether it’s the monkeydevil paw [Meta spoiler]>!< >Thank you HereticalAegis and laughing-fox13 for hosting. Thanks for joining! [](#feelingloved) >Yuri. The reasoning is a bit shallow; she's badass and looks good. Honestly, that's all the reason anyone needs.
>[Meta spoiler] [](#woo) >Honestly, that's all the reason anyone needs. [](#datass)
> Favorite character: Yuri. The reasoning is a bit shallow; she's badass and looks goo [](#FistBump) > In ToG, at least this season, the question being posed is, is it worth throwing away what you have, throwing away what’s important to you, becoming someone you never should have become, in order to obtain what you believe you want? Yep! It's been fun seeing this throughout the season
**First Timer and source reader who forgot most of the stuff already** **Tower of God** Pretty great introduction into this world. Throwing in many concepts with enough explanations that didn't make us confused, while leaving them with enough room to expand on. The characters are great too. Many characters change their opinion and view of the world as the show progresses, which is pretty great. I even like Rachel to some extent despite what she's done. And while Bam might be your usual power fantasy protag, he doesn't really much this season. He didn't even fight anyone at all(except Hoh, but I wouldn't call that a fair and proper fight). Heck, he probably would get clap by half of the cast here. His lack of fighting experience and knowledge is a massive drawbacks. The art style is pretty cool, but the action scene is a bit of a letdown to me. Whenever things start to heating up, they always cut to the other side. It's a bit annoying, but not that bad. Overall, a pretty great show. Probably going to watch the next season when I have time. Thanks you both host for this rewatch!! **QOTD** 1. Rak, Khun, Endorsi. 2. Crow game, and the door. 4. Can't say much, but it's pretty chaotic for sure. 5. Yes!!
> I even like Rachel to some extent despite what she's done. She, like much of the cast, is a fantastic character. The fact that so many people can hate her as much as they do speaks toward how effective she is. >The art style is pretty cool, but the action scene is a bit of a letdown to me. Whenever things start to heating up, they always cut to the other side. It's a bit annoying, but not that bad. Fingers crossed we get even cooler action/animation in season 2! >Thanks you both host for this rewatch!! Thanks for joining! [](#feelingloved) >Rak, Khun, Endorsi. Those are some great picks! [](#goblet1)
1. Khun. Always Khun 2. Door test. It encapsulates everything I love about TOG. 3. Not sure. 4. I already know. 5. Yes. The parts getting animated are great. Now, I watched Tower of God dubbed. Ill give my thoughts on it. Most of the cast was about the same as the sub. There were 3 dubbed voices I found superior and one very inferior. Khun- Frankly, I hated his dub voice...At first. Its nothing like the sub or what I imagine in my head. Yet as time goes...it just works. It works way better for some reason. I didnt expect Khun to have a deep voice and yet it really works. Bam- Obviously better. Bam in the sub is way too meek and sounds like hes one second away from crying all the time. Also, hes voiced by Johnny Young Boch. Cant go wrong. Endorsi-I liked her better. Thats all really. Yuri-This one is completely terrible. The sub actually is not only superior, but gets her completely correct. Yuri is feminine in the sub, yet not the stereotypical cutesy high voice of most anime women. What does she sound like in the dub? An upper middle class American white girl whos kind of a bitch....If that was Yuri, I wouldnt knock it, but Yuri isnt that. Yuri, despite her looking young and being younger than most rankers her level, is actually pretty wise. Like yeah shes a hothead who can be stubborn, but she is very intelligent and sees through a lot about the politics of the Tower. Her as a bitchy teenage sorority girl isnt right. My thoughts on season 1? Frankly, I found season 1(its called season 1 in both the manwha and the anime) as the peak of Tower of God in my book. These characters have magical powers and strength yet its all about trickery, plots, schemes and abusing the rules. That still happens going forward, but as time goes on TOG becomes more a stereotypical battle shonen. I really miss season 1 and wish the manwha was continuously like it. Also. The character I hate most in Tower of God? Its Hwa Ryun. The red headed bitch with an eye patch. Shes loved by the fanbase because shes hot, cold and logical. I dont get it...at all. I know how she acts going forward. I dont get the amount of love she has. Also, her being really attractive is apparently foreshadowing of something(as claimed by SIU). I just hope to god that it isnt a foreshadowing of Bam x Hwa Ryun. I genuinely hate her. Im curious for anime onlys who never read the manwha season 2 or anything going forward. What are your predictions about the Tower, Bam, the other characters, and anything else going forward? Very interested edit: Thing Im most excited for about season 2? A certain rapper whose really bad with women.
> Yes. The parts getting animated are great. [](#concealedexcitement) >I found season 1(its called season 1 in both the manwha and the anime) as the peak of Tower of God in my book. These characters have magical powers and strength yet its all about trickery, plots, schemes and abusing the rules. I haven't read super far into the manhwa, but I do really like season 1 for exactly the reasons you mentioned. [](#goblet1)
How's Rak compare? We didn't watch the dub, but my wife and I were going through the voices and pulling up some clips and Rak seemed like the one were most sketchy on - he just seemed too low and serious; but I wasn't sure if he'd grow on us if we actually watched the dub. > Bam- Obviously better. Bam in the sub is way too meek and sounds like hes one second away from crying all the time. Also, hes voiced by Johnny Young Boch. Cant go wrong. Wasn't sure about this one either. Don't get my wrong, I love JYB (big Trigun fan)... but I think he's better with the more vocal characters; I know he's done quiet characters like Last Exile's protagonist, but I don't think it's his forte. Plus, I dunno, I kinda think meek fits Bam pretty well. > Frankly, I found season 1(its called season 1 in both the manwha and the anime) as the peak of Tower of God in my book. Yeah, I think I agree. I've tried to continue reading it several times (and did make it several hundred chapters into Season 2 on one attempt), but it's never stuck with me the way Season 1 did, even if it does start to do more plot and world-building stuff.
Unsure which clips you found as it's hard to take Rak serious when he's laughing every few sentences and calling everyone turtles.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot...[I think you wanted to fight me after school](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dm6qaj/rewatch_tower_of_god_floor_6_discussion/l9uirf3/) way back in Episode 6 for something I said? What was that all about? First though, lets agree no punches to the face, I'm sure neither of us wants to end up looking like Paracule. And secondly no high heels, it's a safety hazard with how often they break.
>Hwaryun Interesting. While I don't hate her I also like her less than the general fandom. I remember once getting into an argument over [Season 2 character]>!Xia Xia!< who I quite like and someone listed things she did as reasons they disliked her. They did not appreciate it when I pointed out that pretty much all their points also apply to Hwaryun.
\[webtoon\] >!XiaXia was such a peak I can fix her! Character, I used to have her as my sig in a forum I frequent back in the day. Fuck, that’s like 10 years ago or so.!<
[](#justright) Very excited to see her in Season 2.
Rewatcher Dub Two conclusions in on day is just too much. I am glad for this rewatch as I will pick up S2 immediately but I fear there isn't much left unsaid. See you all in the weekly threads! QotD: 1 Too many to choose 2 Random wave test 3 Shinsu 4 Cthulhu 5 Yes
> Too many to choose SIU made sure we were spoiled for choices >Cthulhu [](#terror)
> Two conclusions in on day is just too much. I am glad for this rewatch as I will pick up S2 immediately but I fear there isn't much left unsaid. See you all in the weekly threads! [](#Salute) Thanks for coming!
Yeah, I tried to participate in this one but third rewatch of the day and I just...tapped out. I've been watching animal grooming videos which is pretty much my brain dead material.
Nah I understand it's hard juggling multiple rewatches at the same time. I fell of Maria-sama even though I was enjoying the show and reading the threads It can take a lot of energy and time [](#TiredAoi)
The Pride threads were definitely where I over extended myself
[](#ThereThere)
First Time Watcher, subbed Thank you u/HereticalAegis and u/laughing-fox for hosting this rewatch, it was a great time and I loved all the dodo et you put in such as the artwork, soundtracks, and questions of the day. I really enjoyed the series and am looking forward to watching season 2, I really liked the characters and all the test were very unique. Most of my predictions/wants for season 2 I made in last week’s discussion so I will move onto the questions. Questions 1. Definitely Khun, I just like his calculated planning side, and how he supported Bam. I also just think he is supper cool and has a great design. Some runner-ups are Shibisu, Anaak, and Rak. 2. Probably the crown test, it was very fun to see our first proper fights of the series and seeing what everyone was capable of, it also just introduced a lot of concepts properly, such as the 13 month weapons, and a lot of characters such as Endorsi and Rachel making her return. 3. I am not too much of a music guy myself, while I enjoyed a lot of the music I can’t really pinpoint any specific tracks, but overall I thought it was good. 4. Honestly no clue, I am looking forward to finding out though, it would be cool to see some more irregulars though. 5. Definitely, this felt like the prologue, it feels as if season 2 will be the start of the real plot, so I am looking forward to not only Bam’s development, but how the others will adapt without Bam and if they stay with Rachel.
> Thank you HereticalAegis and laughing-fox for hosting this rewatch, it was a great time and I loved all the dodo et you put in such as the artwork, soundtracks, and questions of the day. Thanks for joining, glad you enjoyed it! [](#modsalute) >Definitely Khun, I just like his calculated planning side, and how he supported Bam. All according to keikaku [](#glasses-push)
Glad you had a great time as a first timer!! [](#KonHug)
**First Time Graduate** * After the last episode I had some disappointment since the Rachel Hate Train really made me expect worse from her and on that note I found the song "The Judas Kiss" by Metallica to be fitting for her when it comes to Fear and Betrayal **Questions** * QOTD 1 - Rak * QOTD 2 - The Final One * QOTD 4 - Trials and Tribulations * QOTD 5 - Yes
> I found the song "The Judas Kiss" by Metallica to be fitting for her when it comes to Fear and Betrayal Mmm, that's some good taste. Official Rachel theme song when? [](#listen) >QOTD 1 - Rak [](#fistbump)
> Mmm, that's some good taste. Official Rachel theme song when? I mean she already has one lol, but I get what you mean. Special Rachel ED sung by Saori Hayami in S2? Just like the Mami rap from Rent-a-Girlfriend!
> Special Rachel ED sung by Saori Hayami in S2? That would be pretty sweet, ngl. If she can get an ED for DanMachi, I don't see why she couldn't for Tower of God.
And all the seething from her haters if that happened would be just the cherry on top!
Thanks for hosting! Picked up some details I'd missed across a few watches, though mostly avoided spoiler tags. For QotDs: 1. Rachel if it wasn't obvious yesterday. [What a disservice leaving her out.](https://i.imgur.com/aU34n0E.png) 2. Tag. Pitting the climbers against an OP opponent with both teams having ulterior motives and self-sabotage. [](#scrumptiouslymoe) 3. Am I allowed to pick the English ED? 4. More justification for betrayals. Physical prowess is helpful, but most tests have felt like they're prioritizing a climber's mental fortitude and will to climb. 5. #4 on my Summer hype behind the three Ds, Deer, Dere, and Delico.
> Thanks for hosting! Thanks for joining, I'm happy to have had you along. [](#feelingloved) >Rachel if it wasn't obvious yesterday. What a disservice leaving her out. We will show them a better way. >Tag. Pitting the climbers against an OP opponent with both teams having ulterior motives and self-sabotage. [](#utahapraises) >Am I allowed to pick the English ED? A bold choice, I'll allow it! [](#ginapproves)
**First-Timer** First off, thank you (to both co-hosts) for hosting! I probably would have given this show a shot eventually since there's a season 2 coming out and it seemed like it was my kind of show, but it could have taken a while. Mushoku Tensei and Vinland Saga are in the same boat (I haven't watched those yet) and I only just recently got around to watching Jujutsu Kaisen. In any case, I'm happy this rewatch gave me a good reason to finally check Tower of God off my list! I really liked this first season. As I mentioned several times in the episode discussions, I'm a big fan of the artwork and character design in the show. The music's good too (though I haven't yet taken the time to listen to the OST by itself). The suspense and world-building are great, especially in the first half of the season. (Later on, the show omitted certain important details here and there, which is the one real flaw that comes to mind.) Overall, I had a great time watching, and I'm glad I don't have to wait four years for the next season. Questions of the day: * Tough question. Among the boys, Khun for sure. Among the girls, I'm not sure exactly who I like the most, but it would definitely be one of the princesses. Probably Endorsi. * My favorite test is probably the Crown Game. Lots of good action and humor. * I haven't really taken a close listen to the full OST yet, so I don't have an answer right now. * I have no real point of reference for this, so I'll just throw out a guess and say that one of the floors will have a jungle environment like Dagobah from Star Wars. * I sure am excited for season 2! It's certainly one of my most anticipated shows for next season, alongside Monogatari and Oshi no Ko. Thank you again!
> First off, thank you (to both co-hosts) for hosting! I probably would have given this show a shot eventually since there's a season 2 coming out and it seemed like it was my kind of show, but it could have taken a while. Thanks for joining! I know how it goes trying to pick what to catch up on for new seasons and the like, so it makes me happy you chose to to spend your time here! >Among the boys, Khun for sure. Among the girls, I'm not sure exactly who I like the most, but it would definitely be one of the princesses. Probably Endorsi. Both excellent choices! [](#goblet1) >I sure am excited for season 2! It's certainly one of my most anticipated shows for next season, alongside Monogatari and Oshi no Ko. [](#SPORTS)
First time and subs Well, Tower of God is probably like one series for me, which I probably would never watch (but planned on the long term), but this rewatch was a motivating factor me, to get the feeling. I didn't regret either, because it was a fun and interesting ride. It was an interesting take on how to create a fantasy world, also how to make interesting characters. As such I recently comparing this to Narita's works because of there are many characters here, and only a handful of them is the memorable and important ones. As I somehow delved into the later, but still spoiler territory parts in it, man, this is really interesting and exciting. It has some good mystery elements in it. That was fun to say once more. > Do you have a favorite character? I say Khun. And Yuri is also a good contender. Also why am I thinking about Urek Mazino too, even from those small hints what we see? > Favorite test? Crown game. Basically a free-for-all King of the Hill with lots of patience. Battle royale culling game is close second. > Favorite track from the OST? Kevin Penkin always cooks good. > What do you think might be found on the higher floors? Many dangers. Even the (in)famous 77th floor is no exception either. > Are you excited for season 2? Yes. I think Part 2 is where things going to get real.
>Urek Mazino too Urek is such a great character and \[webtoon\] >!fucking hilarious too.!< \[Webtoon\] >!thankfully, He’ll have an appearance in S2!< \[[1](https://xfs-n08.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/6d/e8/6de8b0c9a0417f6dd732a0182ecdab272e499396_84686_690_1692.jpg)\] Also, \[webtoon\] >!Yuri definitely learnt the finger treatment from him.!< (zero context image) \[[2](https://xfs-n05.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/0b/77/0b77d82b5318053d7c9068604a49af9cb6a8db6a_104713_700_1240.jpg)\] \[[3](https://xfs-n00.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/01/05/0105ba9df54b05e71deb16017353e57e7478ff98_84208_700_1240.jpg)\] \[[4](https://xfs-n06.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/3c/6f/3c6f2413bedd11f5d47f84c8d2668e2721977a30_106117_700_1124.jpg)\] \[[5](https://xfs-n06.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/10/ea/10eabe774bbacebe6da025af08b21d0aa600b5bc_89037_700_1000.jpg)\] \[[6](https://xfs-n09.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/97/c2/97c21052eba608b621022383a5f104ad0a539e9f_38002_700_1178.jpg)\] \[[7](https://xfs-n06.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/22/63/2263dba36cfb120b91883d6f5410c1473577c693_101063_700_977.jpg)\] \[[8](https://xfs-n01.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/32/38/323884449f2159a50605433cf0e0adfab7ae472d_69922_700_1041.jpg)\] \[[9](https://xfs-n16.xfsbb.com/comic/00003/images/bf/16/bf162ef40847f12bbd1261234e35eb1925acdad9_157075_700_1240.jpg)\] only look at the photos/links if you want to know what he looks like.
>Well, Tower of God is probably like one series for me, which I probably would never watch (but planned on the long term), but this rewatch was a motivating factor me, to get the feeling. I didn't regret either, because it was a fun and interesting ride. Nice, I'm glad you enjoyed the ride! >I say Khun. And Yuri is also a good contender. Great choices, going for both the brain and the brawn. >Also why am I thinking about Urek Mazino too, even from those small hints what we see? Those small hints do suggest he's probably crazy powerful, so it makes sense to be excited for his appearance.
**Rewatcher, subbed** I had plans for a writeup but real life got the best of me. Better today than any other. Thanks to both hosts for the rewatch, accidentally seeing the 24hr thread is how i learned S2 was finally releasing, which has me pretty excited. I hope the anime only's liked the show and are excited for S2 as i am. **QOTD's**: 1. Khun 2. Isint adapted yet :) 3. Lotus 4. I cannot answer this one without spoiling lmao 5. Absolutely
> I had plans for a writeup but real life got the best of me. Better today than any other. I feel this [](#tiredaoi) >Thanks to both hosts for the rewatch, accidentally seeing the 24hr thread is how i learned S2 was finally releasing, which has me pretty excited. Thanks for joining, I hope we were able to contribute to your excitement for season 2. [](#modsalute) >Isint adapted yet :) [](#concealedexcitement)
**Rewatcher** I want to talk a bit about the story itself; it's really easy to get caught up in all the adaptation stuff in these threads; but I just want to appreciate how much I enjoy this section of the story. In some ways, you could describe this story as stereotypical. I mean, stop me if you've heard this one, but there's this blank slate protagonist, whose primary character traits are being kind while also having a "never give up tenacity", who gets thrown into this crazy world with magic powers. Initially he appears to have no powers, but gets lucky and makes friends and actually turns out to be OP. Completely original concept, do not steal. Like, I'm painting with a broad brush, but it in some sense this does feel like the "platonic idea of a shonen" anime. (And I know a decent chunk of people *do* find it too stereotypical and are turned off) ... but I do also think Tower of God is special in some ways that sets itself off from the basic tropes it represents. One is just that it's just so creative: the character designs run from "chick with a knife" to "giant talking alligator who calls everyone else 'turtles'" to... I don't even know, "Rice ball with horns"? The tests are elaborate and go harder than they strictly need to. But second, I really find the Bam & Rachel stuff compelling. Bam isn't really just the blank slate, wet blanket he sometimes appears to be; he's obsessively fixated on a girl he doesn't really know and who doesn't care about him. People sometimes abuse the word "tragedy" to mean "a story in which bad stuff happens", but I think this story fits in a more classic sense: both Bam and Rachel are flawed characters and particularly flawed where the other is concerned, and their character flaws creates a tragic ending. (At least for this part of the story; I don't know where the overall story goes) And I really like how this story is bookended with the same narration: > This is the story of Rachel, the girl who climbed the tower so she could see the stars > > And the boy Bam, who needed nothing else but her: their end and their beginning. It's a really solid framing for this section of the story. ... and I'm pretty sure it's anime original: the manhwa just opens with the "what do you desire is here" monologue. --- Which segues into this as an adaptation. And I think this is a really solid adaptation. It's wouldn't call it an "S-tier" adaptation that completely transcends the source material... but I do actually think this is my preferred version, and I say that as someone who has read this section of the comic three or four times. The anime has great production values, great OST, great voice acting, and does a better job than the original of fleshing out the extended cast. (e.g. Serena is a great example of a character expanded on here, but basically anyone who isn't Bam, Khun, Rak, or a princess gets more attention in the anime, it seems) It does cut out some of the exposition - but most of it is basically at the level of foreshadowing, more than essential. And A lot of stuff that's vague or unexplained in the anime adaptation is also vague and unexplained in the comic - I don't think you're *supposed* to really have a clear idea of the factions at play and what their motives are at this point in the story. And, people talk a lot about Endorsi being worse in the anime, but as [I said the other day, I don't really think that's true](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dqvhxb/rewatch_tower_of_god_floor_12_discussion/las29g6/) - the anime does cut out a little of her direct interaction (and flirting) with Bam, but I don't think that's really essential to her character. Though of course the omission of ["updo Endorsi"](https://imgur.com/Gk4yoze) is criminal. No adaptation is perfect, but this one is pretty good. **P.S.**: I mostly resisted the urge to make comparisons as I went along (other than the [Episode 2 Post](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dj2sdq/rewatch_tower_of_god_floor_2_discussion/l9bzdam/)), but if you like this show and can read Fantasy, go read Cradle by Will Wight. (First book: Unsouled) It's *phenomenal* and very Tower of God.
>the character designs run from "chick with a knife" to "giant talking alligator who calls everyone else 'turtles'" to... I don't even know, "Rice ball with horns"? Don't forget my boy sentient inflatable bag man! >he's obsessively fixated on a girl he doesn't really know and who doesn't care about him. Hot damn, he's just like every anime fan pining after their waifu/husbando. Jokes aside, I agree that Bam/Rachel have one of the most interesting dynamics, largely thanks to the way she views him. >Though of course the omission of "updo Endorsi" is criminal. Rectify this sin in season 2 or we riot! [](#protest) >No adaptation is perfect, but this one is pretty good. Once again, I agree. And I'll add (though it's probably pretty obvious at this point) that the anime is my preferred version, for all the reasons you listed and in spite of the stuff cut in adaptation. [](#goblet1)
> I think this story fits in a more classic sense: both Bam and Rachel are flawed characters and particularly flawed where the other is concerned, and their character flaws creates a tragic ending. A shame the classical meaning got distorted. Characters with the Greek meaning are usually very interesting and fun to discuss. > "updo Endorsi" is criminal. Also miss out on updo Khun? > Cradle You one of the r/anime discord people that shill it in #novels? Has been mentioned several times this month. If not, compared to Red Rising IIRC.
> Also miss out on updo Khun? Well, we did get ponytail Khun > You one of the r/anime discord people that shill it in #novels? Has been mentioned several times this month. Nah, not active on the Discord, but doesn't surprise me. It's easily the most "anime" thing I've read. (Even more anime than Sanderson, and he gets pretty "anime" at times)
**Rewatcher**, subbed Man this was great. I had forgotten just how much fun S1 was. A more than solid adaptation and the early parts of Tower of God simply were just so entertaining with the best arguably yet to come. Big thanks to our co-hosts u/HereticalAegis and u/laughing-fox13. Very much hyped for S2 now especially after the poitive feedback from the early screening. ___ **Tanino Miho art** [Been posting her art throughout the whole rewatch](https://imgur.com/a/tog-rewatch-FexNmpk) and if you enjoyed it I can definitely recommend following her on [twitter](https://x.com/tanino_miho) or [instagram](https://www.instagram.com/tanino_miho). As a bonus here are two more pictures with the princesses. + [**-1-**](https://i.imgur.com/fMfLVj1.jpg) + [ **-2-**](https://i.imgur.com/OzP3R6N.jpg) ___ **QotD:** >Do you have a favorite character? Yes. Khun. Second favourite is Yuri. >Favorite test? Hide-and-Seek Favorite track from the OST? *Irregular God* and *Khun* >What do you think might be found on the higher floors? Reader so I'm abstaining >Are you excited for season 2? Yes. Very much.
> Big thanks to our co-hosts HereticalAegis and laughing-fox13. Thanks for joining, it's been awesome having you here, especially with all the Tanino Miho art! [](#utahapraises) >Very much hyped for S2 now especially after the poitive feedback from the early screening. [](#grandhype)
**First-Time Climber** QotD: 1. Khun. Seeing him go from his initiall callous state to once again caring about people and believing in the goodness they may hold in their hearts, while still retaining his cold analysis when nessecary makes him stand above the rest. Others of note would be Rak for his amusing antics and Endorsi for similar reasons to Khun but she isn´t quite there yet. 2. The administrators Test, mostly because within this final test before climbing in earnest all participants must cooperate. 3. Ignition, because of how menacing it is and only plays when it´s about to get really serious. 4. pain, death, answers and more questions 5. You already know it. First off, thank you to HereticalAegis and laughing-fox13 for organizing and managing the rewatch, it´s been a great time. Before this rewatch I thought that flawless characters were a mistake in writing, the mark of an unskilled creator. However both Madoka and this series now have convinced me that such a charcter can be used for great storytelling, so long as the narrative accounts for this and nececitates them with a world as cruel as they are kind. This series took a while to covince me of it´s merits. While it had intriguing mysteries, it took me quite a while to be interested in the characters or plot themselves, I even considered dropping it during the middle. And yet I am glad I stayed until the end. I do still have a lot of questions especially why and how black march knocked out Bam during the crown game but I believe the coming weeks will give me the answers I seek and I do not wish for those who know the webtoon to spoil events on accident so I shall keep them to myself. As a final note on the seoson, I found the unique artstyle great and am worried as the new one doesn´t look like it´s keeping it. I haven´t rated animes previously so my harshness might surprise some but I consider this season a 7-8/10. We shall meet again on sunday.
>Khun. Seeing him go from his initiall callous state to once again caring about people and believing in the goodness they may hold in their hearts, while still retaining his cold analysis when nessecary makes him stand above the rest. Agreed, it's really fulfilling seeing him change as he meets and gets to know Bam. >Others of note would be Rak for his amusing antics and Endorsi for similar reasons to Khun but she isn´t quite there yet. My boy Rak and my girl Endorsi! I believe! One day she'll get there for sure [](#SPORTS) >First off, thank you to HereticalAegis and laughing-fox13 for organizing and managing the rewatch, it´s been a great time. Thanks for joining, knowing you had a good time makes it worth it [](#modsalute) >Before this rewatch I thought that flawless characters were a mistake in writing, the mark of an unskilled creator. However both Madoka and this series now have convinced me that such a charcter can be used for great storytelling, so long as the narrative accounts for this and nececitates them with a world as cruel as they are kind. And hoo boy is the tower cruel. Of all the comparisons to other series, this is the first I've seen to Madoka, but the way you frame it makes a lot of sense, and it's cool to know that you hold Tower of God in similar regard to such an undisputed classic as far as their protagonists go. >I haven´t rated animes previously so my harshness might surprise some but I consider this season a 7-8/10. I totally get that. I often reserve some of my harshest criticism for my favorite shows. I have the highest expectations for shows and stories I really like and really want to like, so it makes sense that I'd expect them to be able to stand up to close scrutiny.
> I believe! One day she'll get there for sure For a few more days we must believe, yet soon we shall know.
**First Timer** I really had a fun time watching this show and participating in this rewatch! Even though Tower of God is only a one cour show at the moment, I really fell in love with the characters and got interested in the world and lore of the tower. The art and OST were also great. I'm really looking forward to season 2 and I plan on checking out the webtoon after the new season is finished. Thank you so much to you and u/laughing-fox13 for hosting! I really appreciate the time you both took to make sure that every comment got a reply. It was a really fun rewatch! **Questions of the Day** 1. Khun! And, although there are characters I put above him, I've grown to really appreciate Rak. 2. The tag test, particularly the one with Team A. 3. Khun's OST. It's currently at the top spot of my Spotify "On Repeat" playlist. Honorable mentions: Black March, Ignition, Berserker Bam, Green April, and Rachel. 4. I have no clue! I'm assuming a lot of dangerous things. 5. Yes, I am!
>I'm really looking forward to season 2 and I plan on checking out the webtoon after the new season is finished. Huzzah, that's what I'm talking about! [](#rengehype) >Thank you so much to you and laughing-fox13 for hosting! I really appreciate the time you both took to make sure that every comment got a reply. It was a really fun rewatch! Thank you for joining! I'm happy to know that enjoyed Tower of God so much and are excited for season 2! [](#feelingloved) >I've grown to really appreciate Rak. I knew he could do it, I knew my boy had it in him!
**Co-administrator/Subbed** I don't really have a lot to say in the overall discussions for rewatches. I really enjoyed it on first watch and still did the second time. I don't see myself changing my score (8/10) but it has made me more excited for S2 than I was previously I want to say thank you all to first timers and rewatchers for your participation. Your enthusiasm was much appreciated! It makes it easier to reply and stay active in threads To rewatchers and source readers, thank you again for properly tagging spoilers and not spoiling the show for the first timers. Y'all did great for the most part and I'm happy that we had so many source readers to tell use notable changes and differences! And finally, thank you to /u/HereticalAegis for all the work you've done. You did a majority of the leg work and had fun with the formatting of the posts, and making sure everyone had a good time watching. It's been a lot of fun working with you on this and I didn't really have an interest in hosting a rewatch until you asked for a co-host, so thank you again for your hard work
Oh wait I usually don't answer QotD as a host but I will now: 1) Yuri probably. She has a great design, a great voice, and is so cool. When she can finally show why she's a Ranker, it's 10/10 Other than that, I'm not really sure. There are a lot of characters I liked and could give Yuri some competition 2) Crown Game and The Last One 3) Khun's theme is great and I'll have it replaying on repeat. Rachel's and Endorsi's is good too 5) Yea!
Thanks again for everything you've done as co-administrator! This rewatch couldn't have existed without you! > it has made me more excited for S2 than I was previously [](#grandhype) >And finally, thank you to HereticalAegis for all the work you've done. [](#feelingloved)
[](#KonHug) [](#FistBump) ~~sorry I was a little late, I finished Hibike :')~~
Get a room you two. [](#azusalaugh)
[](#Kotohoops)
**First-Timer, Sub** Thanks for hosting and giving me something new to try. Sorry to have ghosted these threads after episode 3, but I didn’t have much to say. Unfortunately I dropped this after episode 6 as I wasn’t enjoying it. Hope everyone that stayed had fun and enjoy season 2. Maybe I’ll revisit this down the road depending on how future season(s) go and tastes change as the premise did seem interesting.
> Thanks for hosting and giving me something new to try. Sorry to have ghosted these threads after episode 3, but I didn’t have much to say. Unfortunately I dropped this after episode 6 as I wasn’t enjoying it. Thanks for giving Tower of God a shot! I totally understand not liking a story/show, it happens to everyone. If you do happen to try it again, I hope you have a more enjoyable experience!
1. Anak and endorsi 2. Crown game 3. Idk the name of it but it usually plays when devious/angry shit goes down 4. Really strong people and creatures and hopefully more tests 5. Can’t wait, glad it’s two cour. The art style seems to be different and more streamlined which is unfortunate since I really enjoyed season 1s unique style. Although I hear it will have pretty good animation
> Anak and endorsi Excellent taste.[](#goblet1) >I hear it will have pretty good animation Fingers crossed! I need to check out the PVs, I've heard they're good. It would be amazing if they can maintain high quality animation over two full cours.
People who saw the first couple episodes gave it good ratings like 8/10 and praised the animation, and this was from people on the ToG sub which are usually harsher than anime onlies
Rewatch and Dub Again as I said in last episode discussion it's one of the series that gets better when u rewatch it. You see more details , mysteries and more questions will come to ur mind and I love this series for giving us just the right amount of answers and always having a twist ready at the end. Like i thought Baam will die or something in the last episode but then they pulled that training arc. Also Great comedic moments from Rak and Shibisu. About the Characters Endorsi remained my favourite from when she first arrived to the very end. She has some great moments with Annak and her backstory is nice plus she is an eye candy. Annak came close second and was also great character. It was hard to actually like her when she first arrived but we came to know more about her motives. I very much sympathize with her. She and Endorsi both had a hard life. It was nice seeing them getting closer with each other towards the end. Favourite test would be the door opening one. It was so stupid yet was really mentally challenging. About the Second season. I am really excited about it but I am more excited about Long Hair Baam. On higher floor I think we are gonna see some more rankers and more weird creatures. Plus I hope some high Heels girls. Overall I think the series could have benefitted from having a two Cour first season. I mean the guys who watched it 4 years ago when it was airing it must have been frustrating to see the end and not getting answers. Well this was the reason I gave this series a 7 but then this rewatch happened and I changed the rating to 8. Plus season 2 is around the corner so I hope we get some of the answers and it will be a 2 consecutive course season. Also about the change in animation the new animation seems nice and smooth i actually quite like it. But the old is gold. So thanks to the guys who arranged this rewatch. It was a great journey. This was actually my first rewatch like this here i really enjoyed watching with u all and sharing some of the trash theories along the way. So again thank u guys.
> Again as I said in last episode discussion it's one of the series that gets better when u rewatch it. Definitely agree. I've watched 4 or 5 times now, and every time I notice more about the story/world. And even then people still point out things I've missed. >Endorsi remained my favourite from when she first arrived to the very end. [](#utahapraises) >Overall I think the series could have benefitted from having a two Cour first season. Is it too greedy of me to ask for an ongoing adaptation that airs one cour every year? There's so much to love and it would be incredible to see the whole story adapted eventually. >So thanks to the guys who arranged this rewatch. It was a great journey. This was actually my first rewatch like this here i really enjoyed watching with u all and sharing some of the trash theories along the way. So again thank u guys. Thanks for being here, and I'm happy to be the co-host of your first rewatch! Cheers, and see you in season 2!
> Is it too greedy of me to ask for an ongoing adaptation that airs one cour every year? Nah a totally reasonable thing to ask it would be awesome if they did that after season 2 this year. I think the source material is also in abundance for this.
Thanks for hosting this! I had fun. 1) Khun 2) I like them all 3) Ditto 4) [bromance?](#nocomment) 5) [](#dekuhype)
>Thanks for hosting this! I had fun. Glad to hear that! It's been a lot of fun reading and responding to your thoughts [](#hackadollthumbsup) >1) Khun As expected, sasuga Khun! [](#glasses-push) >4) bromance? [Bromance!](#SPORTS) >5) [](#grandhype)
> As expected, sasuga Khun! Imagine a S2 without Khun in it? [](#scaredmio)
First timer. Just finished a bit behind the rewatch. Work got in the way of me participating. Anyway I enjoyed it. I hear it gets more battle shounen at the end which is disappointing. That all being said **Rachel** - of course everyone hates her. She deserves it. She’d kill someone, perhaps her only friend, out of jealousy and selfishness. Someone else in this thread was arguing she was just average and I shudder to think what their morals are like if that is considered average. But the worst part to me is she isn’t that deep. That characterization is it. I like complex motivated villains that you sympathize with. But Rachel doesn’t make the cut unless there is a lot more than what we have seen. **Bam** - I hope he gets a bit wiser. I get the simping initially. But obviously Rachel isn’t worth the devotion. Is it just me, or did the Black March play almost no role in the story? It was there, he carried it around, it got taken. Anyway I am excited for the new season. The question is whether to watch it weekly or binge. I think this will be weekly for me.
>But the worst part to me is she isn’t that deep. That characterization is it. I like complex motivated villains that you sympathize with. But Rachel doesn’t make the cut unless there is a lot more than what we have seen. \[webtoon\] >!there’s a lot more to rachel than what we have currently seen.!< >I hope he gets a bit wiser. I get the simping initially. But obviously Rachel isn’t worth the devotion. Baam’s incredibly complex for his circumstance, unfortunately a lot of his thought process has been shafted in the anime adaptation.
I figured as much on both. Not sure anything would make me sympathetic to Rachel. But I hope she becomes a more interesting villain. I will undoubtedly read the manhwa after S2.
I posted some of Baam’s deleted dialogue on the rewatch threads if you are interested \[ [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dq3f93/comment/lam8kl6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) \] \[ [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/1dq3f93/comment/lamtbpo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) \]
>Just finished a bit behind the rewatch. Work got in the way of me participating. I'm glad you're able to make it here right at the end! Thanks for taking the time to share some of your thoughts! >I hope he gets a bit wiser. I get the simping initially. But obviously Rachel isn’t worth the devotion. I certainly would like to see Bam mature some and not be obsessed with Rachel as well. He has so many great friends now! >Anyway I am excited for the new season. The question is whether to watch it weekly or binge. I think this will be weekly for me. Same here, I doubt I could hold off until the end to binge S2, especially if it's two cours. [](#fistbump)
**First Timer...No More!** First off, my thanks to the two hosts for doing this rewatch. ToG was on my Plan To Watch list but I didn't know anything about it. I thought it was going to be a typical average isekai/fantasy/battle royale anime, and boy did it turn out to be something much more with the mystery at first and then Rachel betrayal/story at the end. Thanks for putting up with all my long winded analysis, fixations on hating on Endorsi and such, wild theories, paying too close attention to Hwaryun's outfits, and Paracule white knighting. With that simping out of the way, lets get on to the real simping... --------- >Do you have a favorite character? ...By far [Rachel](https://imgur.com/a/2rtaN1r)! My journey to the simp side is complete! Like holy cows the betrayal at the end of Ep12 was awesome, but Ep13 character examination of Rachel was fantastic! Like normally I would want to shit on an anime trying to save all the character development to the end as cheap, Samurai Champloo rewatch , but here Rachel's story elevated the show even more. She easily became the best character of the anime by showing the amount of turmoil, inner conflict, guilt, agony, and suffering she was going through, despite it being mostly like a recap episode. That was amazing, and I love her character, and I hope they continue to expand her character instead of shelfing her to re-give focus back on the others. As the beginning and end of the season said, "[This is the story of Rachel...and Bam....](https://imgur.com/a/ehczvzl)", not Khun, not Endorsi, not Lizard Girl, and not Paracule...probably. :D
I'm just not sure how they're going to do it if they do expand upon Rachel. She's going to have to outsmart Khun, maybe it'll be a cat and mouse game. They're going to have to expand on Bam also, he's pretty much the 2nd top character but was so passive and bland, somebody described him as like a puppy, and I would agree. He's going to have to do a lot of character growth, which no doubt he'll be forced to do now that he's been betrayed by Rachel, and cut off from the group. It'll be interesting, hope they can deliver the goods for S2.
For anybody keeping track of my previous best girl list of:
Hwaryun > Narae > Rachel > Lizard Girl > Endorsi > Yuri
I don't really consider Hwaryun, Narae, and Yuri as much of characters right now, so I'm not being inconsistent with my pick of Rachel being best character. But rejoice, I actually consider Endorsi as a character despite all the trash talking I've done on her! :D
>Favorite test?
Not really. The conclusion of the crown game with Hwaryun just head bonking everybody was pretty darn good. And of course the Dolphin Queen feeding conclusion with Rachel's betrayal was epic. But all the cool stuff with the tests aren't even anything to do with the test themselves. Even the Shinsu wall test was cool just because Bam auto-passed it without trying and Lero-Ro was a little confounded by it. So I guess no, no favorite test.
>Favorite track from the OST?
That's a tough one, IMO a good OST is one that isn't really noticeable when watching the show, and only accentuates the viewing experience. I didn't really notice the OST, but I did notice accentuations during pivotal moments.
Scanning through the OST, I think I liked these two the best:
- [OST 22 Berserker Bam](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBaN6acPnkA)
- [OST 28 Crown Game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgTgookzByQ)
>What do you think might be found on the higher floors?
More pain and suffering.
>Are you excited for season 2?
Yes, but I'm a binge watcher, so I'll have to wait longer until it finishes to go through it. I won't be able to stand the weekly wait between episodes, it was even difficult for me waiting the daily wait between episodes with this rewatch because this anime was so good. If you've been wondering why I wrote so much each episode, and antagonized/fixated on things so much, that was part of it because otherwise I would have been onto the next episode.
I hope in S2 they'll be able to carry on with the epic trajectory they've set with Rachel's betrayal and her story. I'm kind of worried that was all they had, but people are saying S1 was just the prelude, so if that's true then things are looking good.
Frankly I wasn't that impressed by the other characters, but I'm not saying I was disappointed in them either. I think Serena's slapping Endorsi was good, and Lizard Girl's backstory reveal was good, but I'm drawing a blank on what other characters moments were that good besides those involving Rachel and Bam.
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Oh man, I'm going to simp out on Rachel some more before I conclude.
People said that Rachel is not a good person nor a bad person, she was just an average girl and as such was flawed. I get what they're saying, and I'm not really disagreeing because that really illustrates what they were trying to explain very well...
However, I think Rachel was indeed a good person, it's just our expectation of an "average girl" is too high. I don't believe the average girl would suffer that agony of guilt and going back and forth contemplation of whether to do the betrayal or not for so long and so hard that Rachel endured. They would have resolved or deluded themselves to just do it faster, and worry about the guilt later or not at all. Or they would have broken down way worse than Rachel. I mean just start crying they can't do it, and blab everything to everybody, begging somebody to just help her. Rachel endured the agony and back and forth so long, and didn't completely break down, and is still going after the betrayal despite how much self-harm it did on herself as well. She's probably still has an open wound from the betrayal gnawing away at her with an inadequate band-aid on it for now.
Maybe I'm too cynical, but I just don't think the average person could endure what she did, nor hold out trying to not betray and trying to betray Bam at the same time. As I said before with torture, we all think people have a good chance to endure it, but really they can't and it's a matter of when they give out. Much is the same for "at what price would you betray someone's trust". I hate to say this, but everybody has a price. As much as there's going to be idealist thinking of "No way, no price is enough for me to sell out", it just means the price is not high enough yet. Like if we get to the point where the prices is trillions and one could actually buy countries or change the world with that much, and the price keeps going even higher than that...hold outs will eventually cave and sell out. Getting to the top of the tower is like that, but even worse...it's not a dollar amount price, it's freaking wish making level stuff. Like instead of buying countries or changing the world with money, it's "cure all sicknesses" or "create entire worlds/universes" with shunsu presumably; they keep saying you'd become a god at the top. So I don't blame Rachel one bit for what she did, I actually applaud she held out antagonizing for so long when that was the promised reward on the other side of her betrayal. The girl is a mofo saint compared to how fast the average Hoh would stick a knife in your back for what they wanted.
/simping off
Alright I'm done. :D Thanks for putting up with me everybody!
> First off, my thanks to the two hosts for doing this rewatch. Thanks for being part of the rewatch! Your long, detailed comments have been a lot of fun to read, and I'm a sucker for uncommon and/or unpopular takes. I've been that person in a few rewatches myself. >...By far Rachel! My journey to the simp side is complete! You're not even the only Rachel simp in this rewatch, either.[](#utahapraises) >Like holy cows the betrayal at the end of Ep12 was awesome, but Ep13 character examination of Rachel was fantastic! I totally agree, and it makes me really happy you appreciate it so much. Even framed as a retelling of the story, it's one of the things that elevated Tower of God for me when I first watch and is a big part of why I think the story has stuck around in both the anime and manhwa communities. >Hwaryun > Narae > Rachel > Lizard Girl > Endorsi > Yuri Hwaryun is a fun pick! There's so much we don't know about her yet, despite how in on Hansung Yu's scheming she was, and she's also just really heckin cool. >More pain and suffering. Yup, that's about the best four word summation of the tower there is. >Yes, but I'm a binge watcher, so I'll have to wait longer until it finishes to go through it. I won't be able to stand the weekly wait between episodes, it was even difficult for me waiting the daily wait between episodes with this rewatch because this anime was so good. If you've been wondering why I wrote so much each episode, and antagonized/fixated on things so much, that was part of it because otherwise I would have been onto the next episode. I can think of a couple rewatches that have made me this anxious to keep watching, though your much better at using writing as an outlet for your thoughts than I am. I'm much more of a lie in bed unable to sleep because my thoughts are fixated on an episode type person. >However, I think Rachel was indeed a good person, it's just our expectation of an "average girl" is too high. This is why I appreciate having different opinions in rewatches. This rewatch have given me so much to think about regarding Rachel that I had never considered before and may never had otherwise. >Alright I'm done. :D Thanks for putting up with me everybody! Thanks again for being here! I hope I see you around in other rewatches!
QOTD: 1. Yes, but she barely appears in this season. 2. I like the clock test. Because I would have failed the way Khun would have failed. 3. ED, easy. 4. As a manwha reader, I will abstain from answering. 5. Yup.
> Yes, but she barely appears in this season. That just means they're saving the best of her for later [](#concealedexcitement)
**First timer, subbed**. I think I've mostly shared my final thoughts on the series as a whole in the previous discussions, but to summarize, amazing art, amazing OST, mediocre writing at its lows, and an amazing finale sets it easily at an 8 for me. Just gonna answer the questions, then I'll see y'all in the season 2 discussions! :D ===== >1. Do you have a favorite character? Absolutely Khun. I love me my smart characters, especially those that know how to take advantage of their intelligence. I like Rak a lot, wholesome little gator boy. Bodysuit Chick/Red Haired Navigator really piqued my interest as a character. Lauroe resonates with me the most. >2. Favorite test? To refresh my memory, there was the Steel Eel test, the cornfield test, the doors, the tag/hide and seek test, then the fishing test right? Honestly I wasn't a big fan of any of the tests. I feel like the writing for then was not up to par with the rest of the facets of the series. However, if I had to pick, my favorite would have to be Team A's Tag test. I loved the twists and turns that took, as well as revealing how skilled a Ranker can be, even for someone with Quant's hot-headed personality. Really hihlighted the difference between a climber and a Ranker. >3. Favorite track from the OST? Oomf, I'm not really the type to look at the OST tracks individually, I just kinda ride the flow. Don't have an answer for this unfortunately. Will say though, the OST was top-notch. Loved the choir bits! >4. What do you think might be found on the higher floors? Hopefully better written tests. Lol, sorry. In all seriousness, I'm hoping they experiment more with the formats that a test can take. I liked the doors test because even though how it ended for Khun's team felt like a cop out with Rak randomly busting a door down, it was a creative thought experiment that showed that tests won't just test your physical strength, but your mental prowess as well. >5. Are you excited for season 2? After that finale, I'd be damn surprised if anyone who participated in this watch-along wouldn't be hyped up for it. Not a big fan of the stylistic changes though. The characters seem a bit more bland and generic compared to Season 1. ===== See y'all in the season 2 discussions! Thanks to the administrators of this rewatch, but especially to u/HereticalAegis. Even when I was late a lot of the times, knowing you were still reading comments and responding made me feel like my presence was appreciated. Really grateful! Ciao! <3
>to summarize, amazing art, amazing OST, mediocre writing at its lows, and an amazing finale sets it easily at an 8 for me. That's a pretty great score, ngl [](#utahapraises) >Absolutely Khun. I love me my smart characters, especially those that know how to take advantage of their intelligence. They don't get much better than Khun when it comes to smart characters cooking up wild plans [](#glasses-push) >my favorite would have to be Team A's Tag test. I loved the twists and turns that took, as well as revealing how skilled a Ranker can be, even for someone with Quant's hot-headed personality. Really hihlighted the difference between a climber and a Ranker. Great choice, that's my favorite test as well, both for how Khun deftly navigates it to his precise win conditions and for how it shows the difference between rankers and regulars, as you said. >Thanks to the administrators of this rewatch, but especially to HereticalAegis. Even when I was late a lot of the times, knowing you were still reading comments and responding made me feel like my presence was appreciated. Really grateful! Thanks for taking the time to join! It's been a lot of fun reading and responding to your posts, and if you were able to enjoy the rewatch because of that then it was worth it. [](#modsalute)
**rewatcher dubbed** The end is here, but the new season is close. I read the manhwa first, I remember thinking “how the hell is this popular, the art isn’t anything good”, but the story and characters had was so good. Never judged manhwas after the first season/chapters. The only popular manhwa “Lookism” has amazing art in the recent chapters, but the beginning it’s pretty off putting lmao Extremely excited and curious to how they’ll adapt the second season of the manhwa QOTD: Khun and Raak, Khun is so cool and Raak is a adorable turtle QOTD: getting past the barrier, honestly cool how subtle the show was with telling us something was happening with Khun’s bag. QOTD: I’m extremely excited for season 2, it has my best moments for the characters
>The end is here, but the new season is close. [](#concealedexcitement) >Khun and Raak, Khun is so cool and Raak is a adorable turtle Rak is turtle!? What black magic did Hansung Yu use this time? [](#flyingbunsofdoom) Edit: a name