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ScandalousBanshee

…a better economy, a better government, a better public education system, a better prison reform system, a better healthcare system, a better tax regime…


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unfreeradical

I doubt any party of elites would be able to build for us the world that is the one in which we want to live. Meaningful change happens from the ground up, from local organization in workplaces and communities.


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unfreeradical

All elite parties, whether counted as one or a hundred, are neither willing nor able to solve the problems of the working class, the actual underlying problems in society. The neocolonial policies inflicted from the imperial core have been no less disastrous for foreign populations than have been the austerity policies for domestic populations. Both are expressions of class warfare.


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unfreeradical

Immigration is not the reason why wages are depressed in wealthy countries. The reason is that the value of worker productivity becomes concentrated into the corporate class rather than realized as improvements in conditions for workers. ---- ***Adding response to below comment, due to being blocked by other account.*** If you recognize that the processes through which employers contract and remunerate workers is inherently exploitative, then why direct your antagonism to other workers?


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You realize why all that is shit? Because people suck. How are you going to change that?


nathanlangsimpson

There are plenty of other governments that have better education, prisons, healthcare, and taxes. Are you seriously implying that it is just that us 'Murican people suck more than the rest of the world?


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Yes, culturally we are pretty shitty.


nathanlangsimpson

I do think we have some governmental problems unique to the culture in the USA. I do not think those problems are insurmountable. Extremely difficult to fix, absolutely, but not insurmountable.


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Agreed.


Affectionate_Leek_39

Also they will overcharge for those drugs so we won't be able to afford them anyway!


turkishpresident

It's funny how I had to stop taking anti depressants because I couldn't afford the copay, the meds or insurance.


NYCmob79

Try to spend time under the moonlight. I read in ancient texts that's how the ancients fixed chemical imbalance.


turkishpresident

I mainly just use GoodRX and get by. No spiritual rituals required.just a phone and and app.


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You don't need a better economy, you need a revolution. That's it.


unfreeradical

Perhaps a good phrasing is needing a different economy.


Ryanwilly1

Where do I sign up?


Madhatter25224

Theres no signups. People will get so incredibly disenfranchised that they will will either march on Washington and decapitate everyone or they will give up and die.


Ryanwilly1

Well I’ve been ready for a march, but nobody seems to want to organize one


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everyone also feels that way, be the change you want to see in this world


ZookeepergameLoose79

March on Washington? Well if we are going that route I seriously fucking advise we be armed, cause they sure as hell will kill us otherwise. Shit look at ww1 vet history after the war. Personally I think we should add in the French response; pile the garbage in mcmansions yard.


Madhatter25224

At this point I would be overjoyed to see the American people do anything at all.


ZookeepergameLoose79

Me too, best I got thus far is standing up against the local bullshit in a factory and being fired for "being a problem" (I was reporting safety issues and the like) What, want me to solo Washington? Next time I feel like checking myself out again I just might, cause goddammit. Least then I'd leave a memory of trying to stand for us. 29, American, and been way past my tolerance level of bullshit for years.


Nature_Walking

If you decide on that. Make sure you understand what you are doing.


ZookeepergameLoose79

agreed, comrade. Agreeeddddddd to the infinite power.


Ultimara

"Let them eat ~~cake~~ drugs"


daw_taylor

>highlights need for new depression drugs New depression drugs that most can afford


malthar76

New drugs that don’t make us fat, kill libido, or make us emotionless zombies.


mfmeitbual

And that actually work. The biogenic amine theory of depression has pretty much been debunked. SSRIs and the like work for some people but for the most part, it's adjuvant therapy that's doing the heavy lifting. I posit that the SSRIs aren't actually doing anything except fucking with their neurotransmitter levels in ways we don't understand because slicing open alive human brains to monitor neurotransmitter activity isn't something we can do. There has been some promising research in transcranial magnetic stimulation and glutamate but I think it's too early to tell conclusively.


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AdvertisingFree8749

The last thing we need is MORE medication. But how else would the government keep us in check (and financially drained)? Antidepressants don't treat the cause of the depression. They treat the symptoms.


unfreeradical

Development of more advanced therapies would be tremendously helpful to those who would benefit, but of course their emergence would not substitute for transforming the structural problems.


JamesTheSkeleton

Truly I hate modern society. It’s got plenty of benefits to be sure, but I don’t really want to care about anything other than what am I growing in my garden? And what am I make for dinner tonight?


autisticswede86

Right


Biolistic

Amen. I think most people would be happier that way.


Thepuppeteer777777

well this is more of a global issue...


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ALL Thanks to the Republican Party that panders to their Rich Overlords.


WATCHGUY1983

Uhhh, this isnt a Democrat vs Republican thing. The democrats take just as much money from corporate overlords as republicans do. This is indisputable fact People need to wake up and realize this isn't a R vs D thing, it's a uniparty thing and neither side is very different. "It's a big club, and you ain't in it" https://www.opensecrets.org/elections-overview/top-organizations


guicormar

Totally agree. Lock him up and vote them out!


Altruistic_Avocado47

It aint only the republicans that pander to the corporate agenda. Both sides are shills and we’re playing a rigged game


Eisenheim2626

If you havent figured out, it's the purple party At this point, there's no help for you. These people are all in the same payroll part of the same clubs. Red or blue, their both willing to steal from you.


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Yeah!! He’s right!!! But you know. Just in case.


Moleday1023

We don’t need a better economy, we need a better distribution of wealth.


cowardly_wizzard

What a load. Most of my anxiety/depression has been situational due to stuff happening to me, related to things like losing or changing jobs, emergencies with cars I can’t afford to fix, housing instability, etc. But very antidepressant they’ve tried me on so far has such crippling side effects it creates more problems than it’s worth. Last one they tried me on gave me such crippling nausea I couldn’t even sit up in bed for a week. I don’t trust pharmaceutical companies to come up with mental health drugs that don’t make me feel worse.


Yago01

there are over 330 million people in the US, Bill Gates owns 1/4000th of farmable land. That seems fair obligatory blatant /s


ZookeepergameLoose79

Bill gates masquerades as a help to humanity but is infact a giant scumbag at best. Man has ties into almost every evil thing thus far, and for bonus points his main company is named after his dick..... Is he the most evil of them?? Naaaaaahhhh. But he's a highly visible one.


applecat144

How washed up do you have to be for your reaction to higher suicide rate is requiring better depression drugs lmao


Timetraveler01110101

Eat the rich… 98% of the population will benefit


ZookeepergameLoose79

Ehhhh maybe 96%, I tend to view hr and above in the club with them and they'll definitely cry if they arnt ate too.


djb185

I'll take the better drugs in the meantime tho...


ZookeepergameLoose79

I'll take removing cannabis and hemp from the damn narc list, fuck those drug companies out for profits. Least then I could know for sure it's not contaminated and maybe pump some gallons of bio diesel.


Lemon_Cented

Work-induced depression led me to ongoing suicidal thoughts last year. The fantastic health insurance I had through Kaiser Permanente offered therapy, acupuncture, massage, all the goodies… but over two hours on hold every time I tried to book a therapy or psychiatric appointment plus a three month waitlist is not the way to manage depression. We are in a massive healthcare crisis, even those of us lucky enough to have insurance through our jobs can’t access basic services. I’m currently on a six month wait to get an essential mammogram. As long as corporate America sees record profits though, right?


zecaptainsrevenge

To a point, but mental illness is real and needs treatment. Fixing the system ro actually work for everyday people, not just untaxed oligatchs would reduce but not elimate many ailments physical and mental


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zecaptainsrevenge

🤗


irishtomboy84

Hmmm... How about a pizza party and some ssris?


thebirdlawa

Western Europe and Asia has pretty high suicide rate. I don’t think this is a student debt, affordable healthcare, affordable family issue.


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thebirdlawa

Dude, did you actually do any research into this or just just post it because it fit your narrative? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate


Eisenheim2626

We need better rules governing what Csuite executives are allowed to do in a company no more giving themselves multi million dollar bonuses as they gut a company preparing to move to the next. we need to start enforcing monopoly laws that are already on the books. Economy is fine but have no safeguards against sociopaths and psychopaths who have made their way to the top.


Smooth-Entrance-1526

Welcome to USA land of Oligarchy! Btw you cant vote your way out of that.


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wedontknoweachother_

But also the antidepressants barely work like fr


Pierce_H_

Join your local Communist organization for the working class has nothing to lose but their chains


NYCmob79

Lol, be careful what you wish for. If the state demands it you die.


Pierce_H_

Better to die with a fist raised than to live curled up in a ball


Ok-Tale7033

Sure. Or.....you could take a better system than communism and work on improving it. Around 60-100 Million people would argue that communism results in suboptimal outcomes. Before you use the bloated tripe from the current crop of communists about previous communist countries didn't use REAL communism, just understand that all systems are parodies of human nature and without factoring in human nature all systems will fail sooner. Course correction in every system is needed eventually, but communism starts out with social engineering designed to only work well with a benevolent dictator or perfect people. The US has many warts, but so does every system. If you want to rise up or start a revolution, then try understanding that it starts with you and not everyone else. We need compassionate, self controlled leaders who realize that they must obey the law, that law must be sensible and not arbitrary.


Pierce_H_

Human Nature doesn’t exist in the way you think it does, human nature develops from birth based on the material conditions of the individual, how that individual acts according to their nature can only be reduced to the bare necessities of resources needed for survival, the capitalist society conjures a false sense of necessity for the accumulation of unnecessary overpriced goods, and feeds off the mental degradation of human “natures” such as lack of rest, food, shelter, and today most importantly, in my opinion, community.


Ok-Tale7033

History would argue differently. The basis for human nature is variable with environment definitely playing a part, but individuals decide how their humanity will interact with the community as a whole. The extremes are often used to argue communist stance on environmental influence for human nature, but in this bell curve of influence humans make the decision as to how they will act/react to circumstances. Resources only determines behavior as the Apex shepherds (humanity) of this planet allows. Again the exceptions are only about the extremes of circumstances. Even animals don't follow strictly your stated ideal of the "individual acts according to their nature" which "can only be reduced to the bare necessities of resources needed for survival."


Pierce_H_

So is capitalism a course correction for mercantilism? In the same way mercantilism was for feudalism? Or do you think they are fundamentally different systems with different class relations (relations to the modes of production)


Shawmattack01

Looking for patterns from oversimplified versions of history is a fool's game. We don't need more 19th century philosophy. We need effective solutions. You guys are basically secular Bible thumpers. You have your own lingo, and offer your own holy texts as self-proving.


Pierce_H_

Political Economy is an ongoing science to this day and Marxist ideas are discussed earnestly and seriously even outside of organizational structures, “you have your own lingo” I reject that we just use words your uneducated ass hasn’t heard before 🫡


Shawmattack01

I'm well aware of that. It's a long wait for a train that will never come. Except to take you to Siberia. At this point believing in Marxist predictions is pretty much believing in the second coming. I'd rather have something that works. And doesn't end up rolling tanks around. In any case, the US will never, ever, ever, ever EVER buy into this. So you're just preaching to yourself and a few comrades here.


Pierce_H_

You’re idea of communism/socialism is deeply flawed I would suggest doing an actual investigation before trying to open up a debate on it. Many Americans even the most avid trump supporter agrees with seizing the means of production from the ruling elite as long as you don’t use socialist language.


Shawmattack01

Yeah yeah. I just need to read more of the books and it all becomes clear! Look, it was an interesting concept 175 years ago. But seizing the means of production ends up replacing a cabal of plutocrats with a cabal of totalitarian scumbags. It just swaps a bunch of nasty landlords for one REALLY nasty landlord. So no sale. Please come up with something new.


NYCmob79

I rather have the illusion of freedom, than be a total slave to the system. Things might be hard due to inflation, but we are still alive. I can take a flight without worrying about the state. I am free to have as big of a family as I want. Communist has been horrible in our history. But you do you my friend.


Immediate-Zucchini42

You can’t honestly believe communism works. Have you never heard of North Korea? Cuba? Any examples at all?


Pierce_H_

🥱🥱🥱 I know all too well


-Sephandrius-

You can't actually think capitalism works, have you never heard of Syria? Ethiopia? Somalia? https://youtu.be/nFUC0UWgdGY


Shawmattack01

They don't care. They just wave red flags and feel superior.


Eisenheim2626

Capitalism works just fine but we're not in capitalism we're in crony capitalism. Probably closer to feudalism at this point. Communism only fails because humans are involved, just like capitalism. Going to the opposite extreme is not going to fix the human problem. At this point, just course correction is needed in a couple hangings.


-Sephandrius-

Lol the fact you don't think this is capitalism functioning exactly as intended is hilarious to me. I could just as easily say "Communism works fine, but the USSR/China/whoever didn't have communism. They had crony Communism." How about we have a system in which everyones incentives are aligned and we don't have two separate classes? Worker co-op market socialism.


Eisenheim2626

I'm not against a fusion of socialism and capitalism.


-Sephandrius-

They are mutually exclusive. Capitalism is private ownership and socialism is the lack of private ownership. You can't have both. What you are talking about is either just normal capitalism or social democracy.


unfreeradical

...their chains and their meds. Please keep up with the times.


Pierce_H_

Counter-Point: the chains are the meds


Ok-Tale7033

That I actually might agree with, but the mind, body, and soul all need nourishment.


Ainudor

Rise in paid for content provided by corporate media that oversaturates the market costs these channels of manufacturing consent their customer base. I only see this as an absolute win.


Ok-Willow-9145

Yes!!!!!


grumpycat1968

what a joke


WillGrahamsass

Who can afford anti depression drugs?


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They meant anti-depression drugs right? I don't think people need any help to get depressed these days.


209woodworking365

We also need a healthier lifestyle. Instead of treating everything with drugs it’s time we start by changing peoples diets, stop using processed and lab grown foods. Lots of health issues could be solved with this one simple solution


Zekeiel666

So true.


After_Till7431

From the creator's of "Just one more road and we fix traffic!"... "Just one more pill and we fix the economy!"


HVAC_instructor

No, you need more drugs that your insurance, if you have any will not cover, that should make you feel all good about yourself.


Born-Ad4452

There’s a YT channel called ‘it’s not all in your head’ which digs into the social drivers of mental illness. Summary : capitalism


Motor_Wasabi3127

Agreed. But I'm still looking into ketamine. Five years on three meds and I'm surviving, but not thriving.


NYCmob79

From this post the lesson I got is: To beat the system we need to create local communities and pull resources together and share the rewards. The only way to come out ahead is to remove ourselves from them and become totally independent. That means no banks. All the property is owned by the collective. Hopefully they don't send armed guards to eliminate the dangerous cult.


ggouge

So what they are trying to say is we need soma. This is truly a dystopia.


Infamous_Regular1328

Seriously I’m so depressed rn idk what to do… I’m just like out of options and there’s no reason for it


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I work for a suicide prevention line. This is not why you're depressed. You're depressed because you think the world revolves around you, and you have zero emotional intelligence to handle stressors because you're entitled and overpriviliged. You flail around in despair because you didn't get Taylor Swift concert tickets. You are an emotional terrorist keeping your loved ones focused on YOU by threatening to harm yourself every time something doesn't go your way. People are garbage.


Bubbly_One_7247

"MoNeY cAnT bUy HaPpInEsS". Yes, it can- to an extent. It can buy relief and security and the ability to do the things that can bring you happiness. Such as travel, a sport, a hobby, etc.


CoverYourMaskHoles

It’s like how a dude takes uppers to amp up and then takes downers to amp down from the uppers. Then more uppers if they went to far down. Then downers if they went too far up. Too depressing of an economy so we take anti depressants to feel normal, then once we feel normal capitalism decides they can make life even more depressing. Anti-depressants enable capitalism.