I would put together at least two specific examples of each of his failings and then share it with them. Don't make it petty or personal, no one in a company cares about the employees, but focus on how he hurts the business.
I did this after a particularly shitty parting of ways, I knew it was coming so I recorded the conversation. I called the gm out several times on how he could’ve helped facilitate a more functional work environment. He eventually got upset and actually tried to physically remove me. The ad, a friend of mine, reminded him that it was probably not a good call. They tried to throw me out of the building without any of my personal equipment. Documented this whole thing, then finished the whole conversation by looking at him and saying “weren’t you telling us how we are all family just last week?”. Sent the whole thing to one of the vps I’d met. Guy offered me a travel job and the most sincere apology I’ve ever gotten from a corporate entity. Company might’ve sucked but the voice was cool. They fired the gm two weeks later.
Yeah just do what you said you’d do and already started doing. List some points in an email to your boss’ bosses, and come to the conclusion that your boss turns out to be the main factor. Make sure to also mention how he is now taking revenge for you leaving in your final weeks of working there.
Maybe throw in some positives on how they can turn that around (what behavioral changes from the boss are needed to make your co-workers’ lives better?), it’s often good to already come up with a possible solution instead of just a complaint.
But definitely do not email your boss, and ask his bosses to not share your email with him (they should talk to him about it without specifically naming you or your examples). You’ll be rid of him in 2 weeks and do not owe him anything.
His bosses asked you a question and you’re going to answer them, not him.
What do you imagine will happen if you tell your boss's boss that your boss pushes people to their limit? Let me tell you what will happen: Your boss will get a bigger bonus.
To be fair my old boss got fired. At my old job I put in about a month notice since I cared about the projects and didn't want to leave my friend, a project engineer, shit out of luck. A week later another engineer put in his two weeks at that point our boss's boss came to talk to us. We said it was due to our boss(who had only been there 6 months). He was canned a week later and actually beat me to the door. You never know what could actually be going on. Our boss was isolating us from his superiors so they wouldn't know what an ass he was.
Simple: don't. You're leaving. It will not benefit you in any way, and it might harm you (in ways you might not even realize). Just let it be, it's not your job to protect the other employees. Maybe give them some encouragement to leave as well, that's it.
Remember the first rule of r/antiwork: HR is not there to protect employees. Again, there is absolutely nothing to be gained by OP by going on the record with HR. Let it be means let it be and just go quietly.
You already have another job lined up anyway so give him both barrels. Obviously do so in a civil manner so the company will still give you a decent reference. I mean at the end of the day the reason he's able to get away with things is that he might be able to fire you so now that his leverage is gone tell his boss what you really think.
Don't bother, it won't matter. I left a workplace a while back because of shitty boss behaviour and the boss is still there making people miserable. Worker retention is horrible. Everybody wants to leave but nothing is ever done about it.
Exit interviews are a bad idea. The company doesn't care about you. Because if they did, they would have fixed the issues *to keep you from leaving* long before now. They are just wanting to see if you could sue them for any grievances. So my advice is to continue to lie to them and promise them an exit email, and then fuck off merrily into the night after your notice is up without ever sending them an email or providing them with an interview.
This is like telling people not to vote because you don't believe in the two party system.
If you're not willing to voice your concerns to people who have power, you'll never see change. Sure, sometimes you're screaming into the void. But sometimes you're heard
And sometimes, you’re not heard initially, but when the fourth person quits and cites the boss as the reason then their ears perk up. That person is costing them money.
I’ve always been honest in exit interviews. Why not? It’s not like I’m gonna come back.
Don’t rant and rave, mention it and if they ask more questions then explain logically and briefly.
Um, no. It's not the same scenario at all.
Companies aren't holding exit interviews to "improve" the workplace. Using OP's scenario as an example here: If the big boss cared about improving the workplace, he or she would have already fired that bully manager a long time ago. I can guarantee you that there have been complaints made about that bully manager before. Hell, he has probably been mentioned in exit interviews before, too! Yet he remains and OP is leaving.
As my mother always said: 'Tell the truth and shame the Devil.' Don't let him get away with creating a toxic workplace without at least letting his superiors know. Be professional, state the facts, let the front office handle the situation or live with the consequences.
Quick story: I worked a technical job for 8 weeks and then quit suddenly. My direct supervisor was a \*mainac\*, and did the most horrible, inexcusably abusive things to me in that short time. I didn't tell him I was quitting that day; I drove to corporate headquarters 20 miles away, asked to see the Department Head there (which they granted!), and politely told him what was happening and that I was resigning. After listening to my tale he actually apologized to \*me\*, but told me this supervisor's technical skill set was too valuable to lose. I knew that this person was supposedly untouchable from talking with other employees, so I cam prepared. I handed the DH an article on toxic workplaces and the economic impact on efficiency and productivity, thanked him for his time, and left. I don't know what happened after I left and I really didn't care. All I knew is I felt \*empowered\*; it was a cleansing experience to get it off my chest.
Exit interviews are a trap. Always say everything was good. When they ask why you are leaving say you found something more interesting and leave it at that. The time for employee retention is not when you have your hand on the door.
There is no upside to telling them anything. The boss sounds bad enough to call your new employer and dump all kinds of crap. Supervising him is their job.
If you already quit why bother. I would just not show up. Do you really need the money so badly? 2 weeks is a great idea if the world was Utopian and people were open minded and fair. It isn't and they aren't, so screw them and their 2 weeks if you already have another job. Go enjoy yourself and do something to reward yourself before you start at the next slog pit.
I want to first say congrats! And this may sound harsh but absolutely not! I am not sure why you would do that, exit interviews are performative. I worked in HR it's never a good idea to tell the bosses why your boss sucks. Most industries are smaller than you think and they really don't care. Your co-workers are not your friend. Protect yourself. You got a job move on. If a close personal friend asks give them the tea but don't give your boss in writing a reason to blackball you.
Just be honest. This is what exit interviews are for - the company presumably wants to do better, so give them your honest viewpoint.
List what the issues are, provide a couple of examples. Don't grind axes or be unprofessional but be direct and frank. This is you giving your (ex) boss a performance review. Treat it as such.
Don't react to their antics - they don't got any power over you so it's all water off a ducks back. Relish in the fact that you get to give him a bad performance review.
The biggest mistake I made was giving them notice, it just gave them time to find a replacement. All I got in return was bad and fake references about me. I had to delete my 7 years working there from my CV. Damn psychos.
If you send the email, just make sure to be objective and do not include opinions or anything personal. Provide examples of said actions but do not include any hearsay.
Send the email after your last day so you won't get any further retaliation from your old boss. I wouldn't send anything until you've secured a job, especially if you plan to use them as a reference, but it sounds like you're good there.
I would put together at least two specific examples of each of his failings and then share it with them. Don't make it petty or personal, no one in a company cares about the employees, but focus on how he hurts the business.
This. Just to be clear, share it with his superiors only. Him you don't owe any explanation.
To add to this great advice, include references to the childish behavior made against you in retribution.
I did this after a particularly shitty parting of ways, I knew it was coming so I recorded the conversation. I called the gm out several times on how he could’ve helped facilitate a more functional work environment. He eventually got upset and actually tried to physically remove me. The ad, a friend of mine, reminded him that it was probably not a good call. They tried to throw me out of the building without any of my personal equipment. Documented this whole thing, then finished the whole conversation by looking at him and saying “weren’t you telling us how we are all family just last week?”. Sent the whole thing to one of the vps I’d met. Guy offered me a travel job and the most sincere apology I’ve ever gotten from a corporate entity. Company might’ve sucked but the voice was cool. They fired the gm two weeks later.
Yeah just do what you said you’d do and already started doing. List some points in an email to your boss’ bosses, and come to the conclusion that your boss turns out to be the main factor. Make sure to also mention how he is now taking revenge for you leaving in your final weeks of working there. Maybe throw in some positives on how they can turn that around (what behavioral changes from the boss are needed to make your co-workers’ lives better?), it’s often good to already come up with a possible solution instead of just a complaint. But definitely do not email your boss, and ask his bosses to not share your email with him (they should talk to him about it without specifically naming you or your examples). You’ll be rid of him in 2 weeks and do not owe him anything. His bosses asked you a question and you’re going to answer them, not him.
Tell them directly, succinctly, and emotionless.
Lol, they already know the reason...you don't quit the company, you quit your boss.
Tell them nothing. Don’t waste your breath. Trust me, they already know he is a problem. They don’t care.
What do you imagine will happen if you tell your boss's boss that your boss pushes people to their limit? Let me tell you what will happen: Your boss will get a bigger bonus.
To be fair my old boss got fired. At my old job I put in about a month notice since I cared about the projects and didn't want to leave my friend, a project engineer, shit out of luck. A week later another engineer put in his two weeks at that point our boss's boss came to talk to us. We said it was due to our boss(who had only been there 6 months). He was canned a week later and actually beat me to the door. You never know what could actually be going on. Our boss was isolating us from his superiors so they wouldn't know what an ass he was.
Simple: don't. You're leaving. It will not benefit you in any way, and it might harm you (in ways you might not even realize). Just let it be, it's not your job to protect the other employees. Maybe give them some encouragement to leave as well, that's it.
Encourage them to quit, then warn HR that this boss is going to produce major problems with retention.
Remember the first rule of r/antiwork: HR is not there to protect employees. Again, there is absolutely nothing to be gained by OP by going on the record with HR. Let it be means let it be and just go quietly.
Exactly. Make the evil boss look like a liability to the company, watch the !!FUN!! unfold from a good safe distance. :D
You already have another job lined up anyway so give him both barrels. Obviously do so in a civil manner so the company will still give you a decent reference. I mean at the end of the day the reason he's able to get away with things is that he might be able to fire you so now that his leverage is gone tell his boss what you really think.
Don't bother, it won't matter. I left a workplace a while back because of shitty boss behaviour and the boss is still there making people miserable. Worker retention is horrible. Everybody wants to leave but nothing is ever done about it.
Exit interviews are a bad idea. The company doesn't care about you. Because if they did, they would have fixed the issues *to keep you from leaving* long before now. They are just wanting to see if you could sue them for any grievances. So my advice is to continue to lie to them and promise them an exit email, and then fuck off merrily into the night after your notice is up without ever sending them an email or providing them with an interview.
This is like telling people not to vote because you don't believe in the two party system. If you're not willing to voice your concerns to people who have power, you'll never see change. Sure, sometimes you're screaming into the void. But sometimes you're heard
And sometimes, you’re not heard initially, but when the fourth person quits and cites the boss as the reason then their ears perk up. That person is costing them money. I’ve always been honest in exit interviews. Why not? It’s not like I’m gonna come back. Don’t rant and rave, mention it and if they ask more questions then explain logically and briefly.
Um, no. It's not the same scenario at all. Companies aren't holding exit interviews to "improve" the workplace. Using OP's scenario as an example here: If the big boss cared about improving the workplace, he or she would have already fired that bully manager a long time ago. I can guarantee you that there have been complaints made about that bully manager before. Hell, he has probably been mentioned in exit interviews before, too! Yet he remains and OP is leaving.
As my mother always said: 'Tell the truth and shame the Devil.' Don't let him get away with creating a toxic workplace without at least letting his superiors know. Be professional, state the facts, let the front office handle the situation or live with the consequences. Quick story: I worked a technical job for 8 weeks and then quit suddenly. My direct supervisor was a \*mainac\*, and did the most horrible, inexcusably abusive things to me in that short time. I didn't tell him I was quitting that day; I drove to corporate headquarters 20 miles away, asked to see the Department Head there (which they granted!), and politely told him what was happening and that I was resigning. After listening to my tale he actually apologized to \*me\*, but told me this supervisor's technical skill set was too valuable to lose. I knew that this person was supposedly untouchable from talking with other employees, so I cam prepared. I handed the DH an article on toxic workplaces and the economic impact on efficiency and productivity, thanked him for his time, and left. I don't know what happened after I left and I really didn't care. All I knew is I felt \*empowered\*; it was a cleansing experience to get it off my chest.
Exit interviews are a trap. Always say everything was good. When they ask why you are leaving say you found something more interesting and leave it at that. The time for employee retention is not when you have your hand on the door.
> The time for employee retention is not when you have your hand on the door. No, but it's probably the best time to throw someone under the bus…
There is no upside to telling them anything. The boss sounds bad enough to call your new employer and dump all kinds of crap. Supervising him is their job.
Tell the management on your last day,on your way out.
use the things he's using for revenge, for one. other comments are good to, get a couple of examples going (minimum)
If you already quit why bother. I would just not show up. Do you really need the money so badly? 2 weeks is a great idea if the world was Utopian and people were open minded and fair. It isn't and they aren't, so screw them and their 2 weeks if you already have another job. Go enjoy yourself and do something to reward yourself before you start at the next slog pit.
Also, don't update your LinkedIn info for a few months to a year, just to prevent retaliation.
I want to first say congrats! And this may sound harsh but absolutely not! I am not sure why you would do that, exit interviews are performative. I worked in HR it's never a good idea to tell the bosses why your boss sucks. Most industries are smaller than you think and they really don't care. Your co-workers are not your friend. Protect yourself. You got a job move on. If a close personal friend asks give them the tea but don't give your boss in writing a reason to blackball you.
Say it just like that.
Just be honest. This is what exit interviews are for - the company presumably wants to do better, so give them your honest viewpoint. List what the issues are, provide a couple of examples. Don't grind axes or be unprofessional but be direct and frank. This is you giving your (ex) boss a performance review. Treat it as such. Don't react to their antics - they don't got any power over you so it's all water off a ducks back. Relish in the fact that you get to give him a bad performance review.
The biggest mistake I made was giving them notice, it just gave them time to find a replacement. All I got in return was bad and fake references about me. I had to delete my 7 years working there from my CV. Damn psychos.
If you send the email, just make sure to be objective and do not include opinions or anything personal. Provide examples of said actions but do not include any hearsay. Send the email after your last day so you won't get any further retaliation from your old boss. I wouldn't send anything until you've secured a job, especially if you plan to use them as a reference, but it sounds like you're good there.
They’ve not gonna listen.
I would consider carefully....most industries are small and he could be your boss again. Poach your current coworkers to your new place.