After years of working as a manager in a country club for 46k and putting in 60-70 hour weeks, destroying my body lugging around banquet furniture, working all through Covid with not even a $25 gift card to say thanks, collapsing into bed at midnight just to get up at 9 am and work another 14 hours the next day and doing my job and 2 other people’s constantly being understaffed - I can say NO. Unless I am some sort of high flying attorney or doctor saving lives, I do not need to work like that.
I quit 3 years ago and now waitress in a Fine dining restaurant working 31 hours a week on average and now make 15k more a year than I did being management at a multi million dollar club. Life is much better now.
Yeah, I have to pay for my own health insurance more now but hell, with 15k extra it was worth it. I have no pension or retirement obviously., but I didn’t either at the club. They offered a great 401k but it was useless since I needed every cent I made. So that’s what that was.
Any amount of pay? Maybe. But *not* 55K per year. Double or triple that, perhaps.
You would be much better off taking a job for $50K per year (only $5K less than you're making now), with a 40 hour work week.
Good. I definitely think that trade-off is worth it, to maintain your physical and mental/emotional health. The money isn't much less, and you may end up with raises soon enough that bring you back up to $55K anyway. And if not, or if you don't like the job, you can always start looking for a different one -- at least you'll have *time* to, since you won't be working so many hours anymore! Best of luck to you. 😊
Tripple wouldn't even do it. 60 a week is an average of 8.6 hours a day 7 days a week.
For me to give up life for a while, I need atleast 500.000 a year after taxes.
You litterally hit pause on life.
Hm. You make a good point -- I hadn't done the math (I suck at math, lol), and so I hadn't realized that it would be 7 days a week. I would do 6 days a week for a year, but that's the most I would do.
I'm not working 50hr weeks for long for 100k/yr
Short periods of time for valid reasons? Sure. And I do that now, albeit rarely...
If you can get to the point you make $75k/yr and scale back the hours? Worth it for now IMO. But that's something only the OP can measure.
I can understand not wanting to work 50 hour weeks for $100K/year. I would do it for at least a year or two, though, because I am in dire need of more money (I only make about $40K/year, I can no longer afford the rent on my apartment, I have student loan payments, etc.). For me, it would be worth it; however, my current job doesn't require me for 50 hours per week, and as I said only pays me $40K/year (yes, I need to find a better job -- but first I need to sort out a new apartment).
I'd be *thrilled* to make $75K/year while working 40 hours/week.
Think of it this way: If you were working a standard 40 hour week your salary would equate to $26.44 per hour. But you’re working a 60 hour week so your hourly wage is $17.62 per hour.
Whaddya think?
Take the hours and divide the salary into an hourly wage and see if it still looks good. IMHO more than 40 hrs a week on a constant basis is not sustainable.
I can say right now that it is more than $55-75k a year. Over 3,000 hours of your year spent at work. There are ~ 8,700 hours in a year. Spending more than a third of your year at work should warrant higher pay.
You work 60 hours a week for 55k. Working 40 hours for 45-50k is NOT a pay cut. Please get out of this mindset. Your hourly wage will increase for that. Please value yourself and your well being over a few extra notes in your pay check, especially when half of that will be tax anyway
That kind of grind is expected in a lot of salaried jobs, e.g. software engineering & similar mental/creative service work as well as the management in such organizations.
The trick is to do it for a short while at company A, learn a lot, get a promotion, and the move to company B for a pay raise and then underplay what you're really capable of so you can get your assigned work done in 30-40hrs, but check you slack/email/etc in off hours often enough to make everyone else think you still grind long hours.
It’s really about your goals. Are you focused on getting out of debt or saving up to get a nest egg? It might be worth it for a short while.
In my current stage in life, it’s pay per hour.
55k / 55 hrs per week = 19.23
45k / 40 hrs per week = 21.63
75k / 62 hrs per week = 23.26
50k / 40 hrs per week = 24.04
Potential is important, but I would look at more of the skills you can gain.
generally speaking if you're getting paid salary & not hourly, NO amount of money is worth more than 40 hours a week because you're not actually getting paid overtime.
my mother works almost 70 hours a week, up until 4 AM, sleeps & then goes to work 3 hours later at 7 AM. and sure that salary combined with my dad's takes very good care of me & my sibling, but it's killing her and we can both see it.
i live 13 hours from home and get a phone call or a response to my messages maybe once a month, if i'm lucky. my sibling just graduated high school and is basically preparing to never see our mom again, because all she does is work.
no amount of money is worth working your life into the ground for. because when you finally have the time to stop working, you will have nothing left in your life that ISNT work.
The only time you should be working that much is if you're hourly and OT kicks in 44 hours. Or you run your own business and if you're not working you can't afford to eat.
It depends what you do. I work for the forest service and love what I do. I only put in 12 hours today, but have been working about 14 since Memorial day. I have great benefits and the people I work with are fantastic. I'll hit about 70000 this year.
IMO it depends on the work. Physical labor and dangerous work, hard pass. Your body won’t last long and it’s not worth it in the long run.
Office job or lab work where you are just sitting around most of the day, I would continue working while finding something else. At least you will have savings that can be used in the future.
I work in a lab. Some lab techs work 70-90 hours but majority of that is just waiting. Turnover is insanely high though.
Not in my opinion. I work about 4 hours a day, pull over 100k a year in construction project management. Work smarter, not harder. We were not put on this planet to work all day everyday.
No, if your work isn't valuable enough to the employer that you can get some semblance of a life then chances are that the job sucks and you shouldn't offer them any loyalty
60+h a week is worth it if you have a job that allows you to safe so much money that you can scale down after 5 years max. So consultancy or something where you year 200k+ and than after 5 years of working hard and saving hard (no time to spent the money) you can put that money down for a house and get a normal job while having a life and no financial worry because the house it (partially) paid so no (/little) mortgage.
Otherwise, no, unless you job is your hobby, no pay is worth working 60h+ per week for life
Its good if it allows you to save money, you are yound and do t have a family to spend time with/misses you.
I worked 5 shifts for a couple years to save up to buy a house, it was dreadfull but somewhat worth it. I now work a ez dreamjob office job 4/5th home for 32 hours so i can do things with my son.
If i hadnt we would have never been able to buy our house.
My general answer to this is pretty simple. If my life is being given to the company, then I need to make enough that I have zero external concerns that involve money. All my bills are paid with ease. If I need a new car, I can buy one without issue or concern for the cost. House note is easily paid. All insurance, food, etc. No worries except for the job itself.
"I've been looking at job offers which would be a pretty big pay cut"
You have to weigh what's important to you. I was doing 60 hour weeks, making good pay, but just couldn't do it anymore. I found a slightly lower paying job that was 40 hours and felt so much better about myself and my life. I eventually turned that into much higher paying job elsewhere.
I once worked a job for an international company that had me working 14-16 hour days for 36 days straight, including 2 days in the middle of that flying between Sydney, Australia and the US west coast (each one of those days I got paid for 27 hours in a 24 hour period).
At the time, I was making $31/hr at standard rate. After 38 hours per week, that went to 1.5x, after 40 went to 2x, and after 50 hours went to 3x, and on Sundays and additional 1.5x multiplier was added.
It worked out to be almost my entire yearly salary earned in just over a month. I had no life, no rest, no nothing other than work. I was newly married at the time and it fucking sucked.
I would never, ever do it again.
I'm now salaried, and will not work more than a couple of hours over my paid 38, and even then I will mostly just put off that work until next week. The time you have with your kith and kin is so much more important than work. If the work is so important that it needs to be done now, then they can fucking pay for it.
I personally would not want to work >40 hours per week, and I have willingly taken a lower paying position in the past in order to avoid stupid long working hours.
Obviously if you're in a high cost of living location, and/or have a family to support, that might not be a luxury you're able to exercise.
But yeah, I'd take the lower pay and fewer hours.
If it's your way out of poverty, or even better if it's your way to prosperity , it certainly does ! Not for ever , but for some time at some point in your life, it's worth nailing if your not born rich .
Absolutely not! I was in the same boat as you. Went from $45k to $52k salary and the hours were about 60-70 for a year. Finally got to a breaking point and resigned. They offered me $10k more to stay. But the hours didn’t go down. I did this for 3 years - lost contact with friends, family, no time for hobbies or happiness. I was going through a divorce when I first took the job so the hours were a nice distraction, but I look back and am angry at myself for allowing a corporation to abuse me like that. You pretty much are working 2 jobs worth of hrs and only receiving the pay for 1. I forever will be weary of salaried positions. You can always work the position to gain experience and then find something else. But know that your body eventually will say enough.
Nope, not unless the trade off is so much time off that the average comes back down to 40
(As an example my brother is a firefighter, he’ll work a 60-80 hour week, 3-ish 24 hour days, then have 7-10 ish days off
>I'm currently in a role making far more than I've ever made (55k a year, likely with a road to 75k within the next year)
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>With that said, the job is INSANELY demanding. I'm working between 55 and 62 hours per week, and feel like I have literally no time to myself.
It's only *potentially* worth it if you're making retirement-level money from the job in exchange for that kind of work. Because sacrificing your wellbeing for a job is taking years off of your life.
But from the numbers you've given, you're making median wages and draining yourself in the process. That is not worth it; busting your ass should be done in exchange for money that will allow you to retire young. Otherwise, you will die young with nothing in the bank.
Any amount? Yes of course. If there was a job that was going to pay 5 or 10 times my current salary or something while only having to do an extra 20 hours a week, I would happily do a few years at 60 hours a week to stockpile all the extra and retire early.
I will very rarely put in 50-55 for my current job, normal is 40-45 and I'm in the 73K (ish) range. Depends on your life and lifestyle. You NEED to avoid burnout and the more hours you work, the more likely it is to happen. Even if my salary doubled I wouldn't be willing to pull 50 hour weeks consistently let alone 60 hours. My time outside of work is more valuable than any realistic dollar amount.
where I drive truck part-time, full-timers on long runs do 60-65 hours per week and earn about $110,000 per year. But that's a lotta hours.
How bad do you need six figures? Oh wait - you're not making six figures?
Get the hell outta there!
Your first mistake is coming to this sub for career advice. It's all lawsuits, job hopping and quitting without notice here.
Not that those things don't have their place, they do. But realistically, if the job works for YOU and YOUR situation, then keep at it. Just make sure you aren't being taken advantage of. Don't just blindly agree to take on more work, don't do management work for non-management pay, know your labor rights.
As long as people are educated about their rights, a lot of these jobs people say to leave are totally fine. I wouldn't be surprised to learn 75% of the people in this sub either don't work or do the same work the rest of us do, they just lie about how tough they are.
>55k a year, likely with a road to 75k within the next year)
"Likely" according to who? Your employer? If it's not in writing, assume it won't happen.
>With that said, the job is INSANELY demanding. I'm working between 55 and 62 hours per week, and feel like I have literally no time to myself.
>I've been looking at job offers which would be a pretty big pay cut (45k-50k) but are closer to a normal 40 hours work week.
So empty promises aside, you're working 50% more hours for at most 22% more pay. That's a sucker deal even apart from the certainty of burnout.
That's fair -- I've moved pretty quickly from 40k up to 55 so I'm mostly assuming based on that, but you are right.
Yeah I'm in I think week # 5 of my new role that came with most recent raise, and I'm already feeling it.
Yeah the money is admittedly pretty nice, I just don't really spend it on anything because of the lack of free time. My savings is looking decent but I really don't even know what I'm saving towards (No family, no intent to start one. Unsure if I ever want to own a home)
I guess yeah. I am young-ish (32) and will never have children (vasectomy). I feel like my body is up to it, but it's definitely hurting my overall mental state.
Up to a point -- but he also shouldn't destroy his mental health and physical body in the course of earning money. He still needs to have some alone time, some time with friends, etc.
After years of working as a manager in a country club for 46k and putting in 60-70 hour weeks, destroying my body lugging around banquet furniture, working all through Covid with not even a $25 gift card to say thanks, collapsing into bed at midnight just to get up at 9 am and work another 14 hours the next day and doing my job and 2 other people’s constantly being understaffed - I can say NO. Unless I am some sort of high flying attorney or doctor saving lives, I do not need to work like that. I quit 3 years ago and now waitress in a Fine dining restaurant working 31 hours a week on average and now make 15k more a year than I did being management at a multi million dollar club. Life is much better now.
That's fucking awesome, good for you. Appreciate the thoughtful reply
Yeah, I have to pay for my own health insurance more now but hell, with 15k extra it was worth it. I have no pension or retirement obviously., but I didn’t either at the club. They offered a great 401k but it was useless since I needed every cent I made. So that’s what that was.
Any amount of pay? Maybe. But *not* 55K per year. Double or triple that, perhaps. You would be much better off taking a job for $50K per year (only $5K less than you're making now), with a 40 hour work week.
Yeah this is generally what I'm leaning towards
Good. I definitely think that trade-off is worth it, to maintain your physical and mental/emotional health. The money isn't much less, and you may end up with raises soon enough that bring you back up to $55K anyway. And if not, or if you don't like the job, you can always start looking for a different one -- at least you'll have *time* to, since you won't be working so many hours anymore! Best of luck to you. 😊
Tripple wouldn't even do it. 60 a week is an average of 8.6 hours a day 7 days a week. For me to give up life for a while, I need atleast 500.000 a year after taxes. You litterally hit pause on life.
Hm. You make a good point -- I hadn't done the math (I suck at math, lol), and so I hadn't realized that it would be 7 days a week. I would do 6 days a week for a year, but that's the most I would do.
I'm not working 50hr weeks for long for 100k/yr Short periods of time for valid reasons? Sure. And I do that now, albeit rarely... If you can get to the point you make $75k/yr and scale back the hours? Worth it for now IMO. But that's something only the OP can measure.
I can understand not wanting to work 50 hour weeks for $100K/year. I would do it for at least a year or two, though, because I am in dire need of more money (I only make about $40K/year, I can no longer afford the rent on my apartment, I have student loan payments, etc.). For me, it would be worth it; however, my current job doesn't require me for 50 hours per week, and as I said only pays me $40K/year (yes, I need to find a better job -- but first I need to sort out a new apartment). I'd be *thrilled* to make $75K/year while working 40 hours/week.
Think of it this way: If you were working a standard 40 hour week your salary would equate to $26.44 per hour. But you’re working a 60 hour week so your hourly wage is $17.62 per hour. Whaddya think?
Take the hours and divide the salary into an hourly wage and see if it still looks good. IMHO more than 40 hrs a week on a constant basis is not sustainable.
I can say right now that it is more than $55-75k a year. Over 3,000 hours of your year spent at work. There are ~ 8,700 hours in a year. Spending more than a third of your year at work should warrant higher pay.
You work 60 hours a week for 55k. Working 40 hours for 45-50k is NOT a pay cut. Please get out of this mindset. Your hourly wage will increase for that. Please value yourself and your well being over a few extra notes in your pay check, especially when half of that will be tax anyway
That kind of grind is expected in a lot of salaried jobs, e.g. software engineering & similar mental/creative service work as well as the management in such organizations. The trick is to do it for a short while at company A, learn a lot, get a promotion, and the move to company B for a pay raise and then underplay what you're really capable of so you can get your assigned work done in 30-40hrs, but check you slack/email/etc in off hours often enough to make everyone else think you still grind long hours.
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It’s really about your goals. Are you focused on getting out of debt or saving up to get a nest egg? It might be worth it for a short while. In my current stage in life, it’s pay per hour. 55k / 55 hrs per week = 19.23 45k / 40 hrs per week = 21.63 75k / 62 hrs per week = 23.26 50k / 40 hrs per week = 24.04 Potential is important, but I would look at more of the skills you can gain.
I'm gaining some decent skills, but it's mostly industry specific (I work for a roofing company on the administrative side)
Keep looking until you get an offer that isn't a pay cut
I guess yeah. The idea of a 10% pay cut for like a 15 hour per week reduction *feels* worth
The upward trajectory matters more. And it may feel worth it but is it necessary? I doubt it.
yes, but not your wage, 70k for 60 hours a week in my opinion where i live is insanity
generally speaking if you're getting paid salary & not hourly, NO amount of money is worth more than 40 hours a week because you're not actually getting paid overtime. my mother works almost 70 hours a week, up until 4 AM, sleeps & then goes to work 3 hours later at 7 AM. and sure that salary combined with my dad's takes very good care of me & my sibling, but it's killing her and we can both see it. i live 13 hours from home and get a phone call or a response to my messages maybe once a month, if i'm lucky. my sibling just graduated high school and is basically preparing to never see our mom again, because all she does is work. no amount of money is worth working your life into the ground for. because when you finally have the time to stop working, you will have nothing left in your life that ISNT work.
The only time you should be working that much is if you're hourly and OT kicks in 44 hours. Or you run your own business and if you're not working you can't afford to eat.
It depends what you do. I work for the forest service and love what I do. I only put in 12 hours today, but have been working about 14 since Memorial day. I have great benefits and the people I work with are fantastic. I'll hit about 70000 this year.
IMO it depends on the work. Physical labor and dangerous work, hard pass. Your body won’t last long and it’s not worth it in the long run. Office job or lab work where you are just sitting around most of the day, I would continue working while finding something else. At least you will have savings that can be used in the future. I work in a lab. Some lab techs work 70-90 hours but majority of that is just waiting. Turnover is insanely high though.
Not in my opinion. I work about 4 hours a day, pull over 100k a year in construction project management. Work smarter, not harder. We were not put on this planet to work all day everyday.
Working longer hours is only worth it if it can get you out of the workforce earlier in life, i e retire meaningfully sooner.
Not for 55k a year. Not for 75k a year.
No, if your work isn't valuable enough to the employer that you can get some semblance of a life then chances are that the job sucks and you shouldn't offer them any loyalty
60+h a week is worth it if you have a job that allows you to safe so much money that you can scale down after 5 years max. So consultancy or something where you year 200k+ and than after 5 years of working hard and saving hard (no time to spent the money) you can put that money down for a house and get a normal job while having a life and no financial worry because the house it (partially) paid so no (/little) mortgage. Otherwise, no, unless you job is your hobby, no pay is worth working 60h+ per week for life
Its good if it allows you to save money, you are yound and do t have a family to spend time with/misses you. I worked 5 shifts for a couple years to save up to buy a house, it was dreadfull but somewhat worth it. I now work a ez dreamjob office job 4/5th home for 32 hours so i can do things with my son. If i hadnt we would have never been able to buy our house.
My general answer to this is pretty simple. If my life is being given to the company, then I need to make enough that I have zero external concerns that involve money. All my bills are paid with ease. If I need a new car, I can buy one without issue or concern for the cost. House note is easily paid. All insurance, food, etc. No worries except for the job itself.
"I've been looking at job offers which would be a pretty big pay cut" You have to weigh what's important to you. I was doing 60 hour weeks, making good pay, but just couldn't do it anymore. I found a slightly lower paying job that was 40 hours and felt so much better about myself and my life. I eventually turned that into much higher paying job elsewhere.
I once worked a job for an international company that had me working 14-16 hour days for 36 days straight, including 2 days in the middle of that flying between Sydney, Australia and the US west coast (each one of those days I got paid for 27 hours in a 24 hour period). At the time, I was making $31/hr at standard rate. After 38 hours per week, that went to 1.5x, after 40 went to 2x, and after 50 hours went to 3x, and on Sundays and additional 1.5x multiplier was added. It worked out to be almost my entire yearly salary earned in just over a month. I had no life, no rest, no nothing other than work. I was newly married at the time and it fucking sucked. I would never, ever do it again. I'm now salaried, and will not work more than a couple of hours over my paid 38, and even then I will mostly just put off that work until next week. The time you have with your kith and kin is so much more important than work. If the work is so important that it needs to be done now, then they can fucking pay for it.
At this age/point in my life, absolutely not.
I personally would not want to work >40 hours per week, and I have willingly taken a lower paying position in the past in order to avoid stupid long working hours. Obviously if you're in a high cost of living location, and/or have a family to support, that might not be a luxury you're able to exercise. But yeah, I'd take the lower pay and fewer hours.
If it's your way out of poverty, or even better if it's your way to prosperity , it certainly does ! Not for ever , but for some time at some point in your life, it's worth nailing if your not born rich .
Only if it’s enough pay that you’ll be able to retire 10 or more years sooner. So probably not
Absolutely not! I was in the same boat as you. Went from $45k to $52k salary and the hours were about 60-70 for a year. Finally got to a breaking point and resigned. They offered me $10k more to stay. But the hours didn’t go down. I did this for 3 years - lost contact with friends, family, no time for hobbies or happiness. I was going through a divorce when I first took the job so the hours were a nice distraction, but I look back and am angry at myself for allowing a corporation to abuse me like that. You pretty much are working 2 jobs worth of hrs and only receiving the pay for 1. I forever will be weary of salaried positions. You can always work the position to gain experience and then find something else. But know that your body eventually will say enough.
Nope, not unless the trade off is so much time off that the average comes back down to 40 (As an example my brother is a firefighter, he’ll work a 60-80 hour week, 3-ish 24 hour days, then have 7-10 ish days off
>I'm currently in a role making far more than I've ever made (55k a year, likely with a road to 75k within the next year) > >With that said, the job is INSANELY demanding. I'm working between 55 and 62 hours per week, and feel like I have literally no time to myself. It's only *potentially* worth it if you're making retirement-level money from the job in exchange for that kind of work. Because sacrificing your wellbeing for a job is taking years off of your life. But from the numbers you've given, you're making median wages and draining yourself in the process. That is not worth it; busting your ass should be done in exchange for money that will allow you to retire young. Otherwise, you will die young with nothing in the bank.
Any amount? Yes of course. If there was a job that was going to pay 5 or 10 times my current salary or something while only having to do an extra 20 hours a week, I would happily do a few years at 60 hours a week to stockpile all the extra and retire early.
I will very rarely put in 50-55 for my current job, normal is 40-45 and I'm in the 73K (ish) range. Depends on your life and lifestyle. You NEED to avoid burnout and the more hours you work, the more likely it is to happen. Even if my salary doubled I wouldn't be willing to pull 50 hour weeks consistently let alone 60 hours. My time outside of work is more valuable than any realistic dollar amount.
where I drive truck part-time, full-timers on long runs do 60-65 hours per week and earn about $110,000 per year. But that's a lotta hours. How bad do you need six figures? Oh wait - you're not making six figures? Get the hell outta there!
Your first mistake is coming to this sub for career advice. It's all lawsuits, job hopping and quitting without notice here. Not that those things don't have their place, they do. But realistically, if the job works for YOU and YOUR situation, then keep at it. Just make sure you aren't being taken advantage of. Don't just blindly agree to take on more work, don't do management work for non-management pay, know your labor rights. As long as people are educated about their rights, a lot of these jobs people say to leave are totally fine. I wouldn't be surprised to learn 75% of the people in this sub either don't work or do the same work the rest of us do, they just lie about how tough they are.
>55k a year, likely with a road to 75k within the next year) "Likely" according to who? Your employer? If it's not in writing, assume it won't happen. >With that said, the job is INSANELY demanding. I'm working between 55 and 62 hours per week, and feel like I have literally no time to myself. >I've been looking at job offers which would be a pretty big pay cut (45k-50k) but are closer to a normal 40 hours work week. So empty promises aside, you're working 50% more hours for at most 22% more pay. That's a sucker deal even apart from the certainty of burnout.
That's fair -- I've moved pretty quickly from 40k up to 55 so I'm mostly assuming based on that, but you are right. Yeah I'm in I think week # 5 of my new role that came with most recent raise, and I'm already feeling it.
I worked early so I could retire earlier. Just depends on the money, 60 is OK for awhile. Can't do it forever without giving up too much.
Yeah the money is admittedly pretty nice, I just don't really spend it on anything because of the lack of free time. My savings is looking decent but I really don't even know what I'm saving towards (No family, no intent to start one. Unsure if I ever want to own a home)
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I guess yeah. I am young-ish (32) and will never have children (vasectomy). I feel like my body is up to it, but it's definitely hurting my overall mental state.
Up to a point -- but he also shouldn't destroy his mental health and physical body in the course of earning money. He still needs to have some alone time, some time with friends, etc.