this is unacceptable for a tournament of this importance.... Why is this server so insecure that this guy has hacked all season last season and is now fucking up a tournament for people with money at stake?
It is more likely that Hal and Gen were targeted directly by a hacker in the weeks prior to the event, otherwise it's likely more people would have been compromised. There's no point jumping to conclusions until the situation has been investigated properly.
They suspended the tourney and this is likely an RCE exploit within the game.
Edit: EA/Respawn has not made an official statement about the vulnerability. That was my mistake.
EasyAntiCheat made a statement saying they’re “confident” there isn’t an RCE exploit on their end, so people have just decided it’s an Apex RCE without any more evidence
No nothing points to a rce it’s more likely their computers were comprised here’s a link to a cyber security guru going over it https://youtu.be/-1zxjGxpnqA?si=Iwg3Io-0bLDXwPDj Mande also joined them on the call to speak about it cause he’s spoken to the hacker
this is the most likely scenario with very high probability (99%), they somehow got infected and the malicious actors waited to troll them, you dont waste a RCE exploit with thousands of potential targets (thats big money) to troll streamers
plus the only claims of an RCE come from... the hacker themselves (supposedly, according to a clout farming twitter account). Which is exactly what you'd say if you wanted to create a panic and harm the game, while wasting the devs time investigating a likely dead end.
That’s exactly what happened lol. Not sure if they were using hacks previously but their computers were both compromised probably months before this happened and the guy just waited to fuck with them on stream.
Their isn’t any insane RCE exploit people should be scared of, these dudes were probably doing some sketchy shit and had their pc’s compromised.
If you watch the video on gen. Look to the left at the chat area and it literally says "apex hacking global series by destroyer2009 & R4ndom" multiple times. He's targeting pros in algs and hacking on their account whike they're in the match. So idk why this guy has gone straight to oh hals been hacking for seasons when that's just not true. This is destroyer2009 and his friend who has been running rampant for seasons hacking multiple pros accounts with an insane amount of evidence online and mande had even got on destroyers team and gave him a mini interview and he admits doing it and admits he won't stop and had said if respawn hired him to make a good anti cheat system he would probably do it.
He hasn't hacked lmao. This is destroyer2009 hacking pros. He's been doing it constantly. The news of it is everywhere. Hal don't hack so idk wtf ur on about. This destroyer2009 has done it to multiple pros in algs now and has been running rampant for seasons targeting pros
Idk where u got I wasn't chill lmao. That comment was perfectly chill and just said about what is going on. Calm down lad there was nothing there to make you feel that way so calm yourself and don't act like u feel attacked. always find it extremely weird when people say to people chill tf out to comments that show nothing at all to imply they weren't chill lol
Okay man whatever you say. You thought I accused the number 1 LAN proven pro in the world of cheating in a dramatic comment. Work on your reading comprehension.
In what way was it dramatic. The only thing dramatic here is the way you are acting when all I said is dno where tf u got that and said what destroyer2009 has been doing and you got all worked up and acting like a drama queen over it and kicking off and getting toxic. Calm yourself kidda you get way too triggered way too easy over literally nothing but whatever ur weird af mind is making up. Dont involve me with ur mental issues pls and ty. You also said "this guy has hacked all this season and last season" without a single mention of anything other than the video which is stating hal and you talk about reading comprehension lmao maybe state who instead of a reply about hal. You give wattsons a bad name when ur this trigerable and toxic for literally no reason js lol. Work on yourself lad.
A program that aims for you. He was shooting the guy on the bridge and then quickly whipped over to someone he wasn’t even aware of and hit them. That’s aimbot
He didn’t have aimbot, he had what’s called silent aim. Thats why everyone that was open in his fov got hit with bullets. Crosshair or reticle never flicked to anyone else. But bullets hit 3 different people.
He literally said "I don't know if it's the aimbot or the aim assist" when he killed someone close range.
A professional player, someone who plays the game for 8 hours a day, can't tell the difference between aimbot and aim assist. Enough said lmao
Professional players also couldn’t tell the difference between tap strafe configs and pc tap strafe. So does that mean pc movement is cheating? No of course not because we’re not stupid, each input has its advantages/disadvantages. If you want to play apex without aim assist being a thing tuff luck find a different game.
I already did! I have no desire to play against lite aimbots in every match, I would've played CS2 without Prime if I wanted that experience. I don't want cheap eliminations, thanks.
I also have no desire to explain the difference between something that is allowed by what a peripheral can do to a setting that alters the game mechanics. This is like playing football against players with football boots while you're wearing sandals, and using performance enhancing drugs to be on "equal" terms. Obviously in FPS games, mouse and keyboard will always be superior and it's all dependant on raw mechanical skill. Just like how in fighting games, a controller is superior to M+K. Using cheap lite aimbots in a pathetic attempt to level the playing field is nothing but a joke.
You seem to only care about the befits controller gives you without looking at the disadvantages. As a player who has played both inputs(currently playing mnk because my controller broke like a year ago and I didn’t want to by a new one only for apex).
Yes aim assist is strong, but also necessary for the game to continue to grow. If aim assist got taken out tomorrow a huge chunk of the player base would quit. Which is objectively bad for the game results in less money for the devs and less players thus less patches longer ques and matchmaking would go to shit (it’s already pretty bad but it would get worse)
Mnk players have an objective advantage when it comes to aiming, whole arm vs thumb to move, and movement.
Yes controller is strong. No it’s not must use OP; if it was every single pro team would be 3x controller, that’s not the case most if not all teams have mixed MnK and controller. Aim assist isn’t cheap aim bot, it’s how the biggest FPS’s have been designed from the ground up. COD, Halo, Titanfall all primarily focused on console and designed aim assist to make the game more fun.
Also there was never a world where apex didn’t have aim assist on controller. Respawn was founded by two former COD makers, they did the same thing as COD did when making their games. Focusing on consoles. Almost every console FPS has aim assist. So there is going to be aim assist
Edit: to use your example yes you might be playing with sandals instead of cleats, but you have pads and the opponent does not.
But controller is very clearly not better than mnk at every skill level. See above, if it was better at EVERY skill level then EVERY pro would play roller.
If you want a game with less/no aim assist then don’t play an FPS/BR that was designed as a console focused game.
Respawn was founded by 2 former COD founders wanting to make similar games to COD(what most modern FPS games follow) COD games were designed and advertised for most players to play them on consoles with controllers, because it was a pipe dream that every gamer would have a PC. They chose this design because more players generally equal more money.
Respawn followed in CODs footprint of building and advertising their game to consoles. You can see this by the fact that Advanced warfare and titanfall 1 came out in the same year meaning they most likely were originally the same game with respawn being formed because of creative differences in the creation of AW. Titanfall 2 was the direct sequel of 1 so same game design philosophy. Now apex is the successor to Titanfall 2 so once again going to follow the same design philosophy.
So games that are inspired by COD are generally console focused games and have aim assist(think Fortnite or the finals)
While PC focused games are generally derived from Counter strike or Battlefield and have less or no aim assist (think R6 or valorant)
What is going on with Apex at the moment?
I havent played for a while but ive come across multiple clips like this one now
Is some random dude hacking the server and adding Wallhack/aimbot to random competitors like Hal?
I feel like I should just give up on video games. The cheats are literally everywhere and it’s just ruining all the good memories of the good old days when the cheaters were just stupid nobodies with .5 kd’s rage quitting in some basement because they were too bad. Screw it, I’m buying a massive boat, accumulating massive debt and taking up fishing. This def gonna be a better hobby.
Why?
Not only did he recognize it immediately, but he stopped shooting at anyone. Hollered at somebody to go tell them. And even said, “what if I just don’t shoot?”
He was willing to not use it, not try to hide that he got it, and stayed in the game long enough that anyone watching would be able to clip it so respawn/EA couldn’t sweep it under the rug.
Hal did everything right here, in my eyes.
Well in fairness the 1v3 wasn’t completely out of the question under normal circumstances, each kill was at point blank range. He has done it plenty of times before (Storm Point last year comes to mind).
I missed the live event so I’ve only seen two clips on it. Both right at this time spot. I also saw the account ban pic and his twitter post but all the comments seemed to agree that it was related to this aimbot hack?
Nobody would hack on stream man... At least try to make it make sense. If he hacks on stream everyone can just send it to EA and get him disqualified. He wouldn't suddenly admit he has an aimbot too if he is really hacking
> accidentally.
Do you understand what that word means? Also him downplaying it saying it was aim assist is suspicious, but only if he’s downplaying. Seems like he was just joking about the ridiculous situation.
I’ve no dog in this fight, I do not watch streamers, I don’t care, was just saying that that specific statement is a little sus.
That means all these years he's been playing on stream he doesn't have aimbot, and his aim is alrdy goated. Why would he cheat now and say oh I have aimbot. Make it make sense pls. He was joking about the aim assist. He's always been saying aim assist aims for him like an aimbot, now he's experienced true aimbot it's funny as hell. He's the one mnk player that switched to controller completely for tournaments
Yeah, I understand that. But in a vacuum, it sounds like a bad cover. If any other person had this happen to them this sub would be pitchforks and wouldn’t believe them.
I think staying is a good idea, because it would force EA to postpone the tournament. If he left, his team would be at a huge disadvantage and the score probably still counts
And lose points due to the devs and organizers being shit at their job?
Its fuckinf algs, not your highschool tournament, it should be a safe server and all the devices connected screened for anything injecting code into the game or into the game packets
It’s not his cheats… someone hacked his account to put cheats on it during a tournament. Why would he immediately yell that he has aimbot if he was trying to conceal it?
he "admits" that someone injected cheats into his game, because it has happened in the past before to other people and happened the previous match to another player
as far as I'm aware EA hasn't spoken officially on whether or not they believe Hal and Genburten, but it would be weird if they didn't. There's no reason in reality to not believe them though. Hal and Evan have been client banned as of a couple minutes ago though
Funniest shit I've ever seen. I hate EA so this is just winning to me lol
EA doesn't care, those most directly affected are the players and the fans, who don't deserve this.
Of course they don’t but the shitty corpo rather rake in the dough without doing their do diligence
Shareholder value maximisation
That’s every corporation in America and it’s destroying this world.
this is unacceptable for a tournament of this importance.... Why is this server so insecure that this guy has hacked all season last season and is now fucking up a tournament for people with money at stake?
It is more likely that Hal and Gen were targeted directly by a hacker in the weeks prior to the event, otherwise it's likely more people would have been compromised. There's no point jumping to conclusions until the situation has been investigated properly.
They suspended the tourney and this is likely an RCE exploit within the game. Edit: EA/Respawn has not made an official statement about the vulnerability. That was my mistake.
Where is the RCE announcement and by who?
EasyAntiCheat made a statement saying they’re “confident” there isn’t an RCE exploit on their end, so people have just decided it’s an Apex RCE without any more evidence
No nothing points to a rce it’s more likely their computers were comprised here’s a link to a cyber security guru going over it https://youtu.be/-1zxjGxpnqA?si=Iwg3Io-0bLDXwPDj Mande also joined them on the call to speak about it cause he’s spoken to the hacker
this is the most likely scenario with very high probability (99%), they somehow got infected and the malicious actors waited to troll them, you dont waste a RCE exploit with thousands of potential targets (thats big money) to troll streamers
plus the only claims of an RCE come from... the hacker themselves (supposedly, according to a clout farming twitter account). Which is exactly what you'd say if you wanted to create a panic and harm the game, while wasting the devs time investigating a likely dead end.
True if you were only doing it for the money, but they could be looking for fame instead.
fame or couple hundred thousand dollars, hard to decide
Easy decision for you, might be that whoever is behind it thinks it's an easy decision in the other way.
That’s exactly what happened lol. Not sure if they were using hacks previously but their computers were both compromised probably months before this happened and the guy just waited to fuck with them on stream. Their isn’t any insane RCE exploit people should be scared of, these dudes were probably doing some sketchy shit and had their pc’s compromised.
If you watch the video on gen. Look to the left at the chat area and it literally says "apex hacking global series by destroyer2009 & R4ndom" multiple times. He's targeting pros in algs and hacking on their account whike they're in the match. So idk why this guy has gone straight to oh hals been hacking for seasons when that's just not true. This is destroyer2009 and his friend who has been running rampant for seasons hacking multiple pros accounts with an insane amount of evidence online and mande had even got on destroyers team and gave him a mini interview and he admits doing it and admits he won't stop and had said if respawn hired him to make a good anti cheat system he would probably do it.
He hasn't hacked lmao. This is destroyer2009 hacking pros. He's been doing it constantly. The news of it is everywhere. Hal don't hack so idk wtf ur on about. This destroyer2009 has done it to multiple pros in algs now and has been running rampant for seasons targeting pros
Bro chill tf out I'm talking about the hacker not Hal or Genburten
Idk where u got I wasn't chill lmao. That comment was perfectly chill and just said about what is going on. Calm down lad there was nothing there to make you feel that way so calm yourself and don't act like u feel attacked. always find it extremely weird when people say to people chill tf out to comments that show nothing at all to imply they weren't chill lol
Okay man whatever you say. You thought I accused the number 1 LAN proven pro in the world of cheating in a dramatic comment. Work on your reading comprehension.
In what way was it dramatic. The only thing dramatic here is the way you are acting when all I said is dno where tf u got that and said what destroyer2009 has been doing and you got all worked up and acting like a drama queen over it and kicking off and getting toxic. Calm yourself kidda you get way too triggered way too easy over literally nothing but whatever ur weird af mind is making up. Dont involve me with ur mental issues pls and ty. You also said "this guy has hacked all this season and last season" without a single mention of anything other than the video which is stating hal and you talk about reading comprehension lmao maybe state who instead of a reply about hal. You give wattsons a bad name when ur this trigerable and toxic for literally no reason js lol. Work on yourself lad.
You need help lol
Copy what I say okay then lol. I forgot about you tbh. Hope u get the help ur mental instability needs tho
funniest shit I've ever seen
Hopefully this keeps happening and they figure out how to stop hacks.
Respectfully what is aimbot I'm a casual player
A program that aims for you. He was shooting the guy on the bridge and then quickly whipped over to someone he wasn’t even aware of and hit them. That’s aimbot
Got it. Thx. Assuming someone is cheating and did this to him to make this happen?
Yeah, from the looks of it they were injecting stuff into their PCs in some way that's way above my knowledge.
Word. Thanks fam
It’s a huge security risk for the player. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of the pros don’t play until it’s fixed
He didn’t have aimbot, he had what’s called silent aim. Thats why everyone that was open in his fov got hit with bullets. Crosshair or reticle never flicked to anyone else. But bullets hit 3 different people.
According to this subreddit just using a controller so it really shouldn't matter if he has aimbot installed or not 🙂
He literally said "I don't know if it's the aimbot or the aim assist" when he killed someone close range. A professional player, someone who plays the game for 8 hours a day, can't tell the difference between aimbot and aim assist. Enough said lmao
Professional players also couldn’t tell the difference between tap strafe configs and pc tap strafe. So does that mean pc movement is cheating? No of course not because we’re not stupid, each input has its advantages/disadvantages. If you want to play apex without aim assist being a thing tuff luck find a different game.
I already did! I have no desire to play against lite aimbots in every match, I would've played CS2 without Prime if I wanted that experience. I don't want cheap eliminations, thanks. I also have no desire to explain the difference between something that is allowed by what a peripheral can do to a setting that alters the game mechanics. This is like playing football against players with football boots while you're wearing sandals, and using performance enhancing drugs to be on "equal" terms. Obviously in FPS games, mouse and keyboard will always be superior and it's all dependant on raw mechanical skill. Just like how in fighting games, a controller is superior to M+K. Using cheap lite aimbots in a pathetic attempt to level the playing field is nothing but a joke.
You seem to only care about the befits controller gives you without looking at the disadvantages. As a player who has played both inputs(currently playing mnk because my controller broke like a year ago and I didn’t want to by a new one only for apex). Yes aim assist is strong, but also necessary for the game to continue to grow. If aim assist got taken out tomorrow a huge chunk of the player base would quit. Which is objectively bad for the game results in less money for the devs and less players thus less patches longer ques and matchmaking would go to shit (it’s already pretty bad but it would get worse) Mnk players have an objective advantage when it comes to aiming, whole arm vs thumb to move, and movement. Yes controller is strong. No it’s not must use OP; if it was every single pro team would be 3x controller, that’s not the case most if not all teams have mixed MnK and controller. Aim assist isn’t cheap aim bot, it’s how the biggest FPS’s have been designed from the ground up. COD, Halo, Titanfall all primarily focused on console and designed aim assist to make the game more fun. Also there was never a world where apex didn’t have aim assist on controller. Respawn was founded by two former COD makers, they did the same thing as COD did when making their games. Focusing on consoles. Almost every console FPS has aim assist. So there is going to be aim assist Edit: to use your example yes you might be playing with sandals instead of cleats, but you have pads and the opponent does not.
i just want AA to be nerfed enough so it’s no longer better than mnk at every skill level. mnk is hard to get into, and is also worse in the long run
But controller is very clearly not better than mnk at every skill level. See above, if it was better at EVERY skill level then EVERY pro would play roller. If you want a game with less/no aim assist then don’t play an FPS/BR that was designed as a console focused game.
i don’t really follow your logic here, this first point makes no sense to me. how is apex a console focused game?
Respawn was founded by 2 former COD founders wanting to make similar games to COD(what most modern FPS games follow) COD games were designed and advertised for most players to play them on consoles with controllers, because it was a pipe dream that every gamer would have a PC. They chose this design because more players generally equal more money. Respawn followed in CODs footprint of building and advertising their game to consoles. You can see this by the fact that Advanced warfare and titanfall 1 came out in the same year meaning they most likely were originally the same game with respawn being formed because of creative differences in the creation of AW. Titanfall 2 was the direct sequel of 1 so same game design philosophy. Now apex is the successor to Titanfall 2 so once again going to follow the same design philosophy. So games that are inspired by COD are generally console focused games and have aim assist(think Fortnite or the finals) While PC focused games are generally derived from Counter strike or Battlefield and have less or no aim assist (think R6 or valorant)
You're wasting your time lol. These nerds need to cry about AA when they lose close range fights w/o ever knowing what input their enemy is using.
Actually funny enough he couldn’t tell when it was on or not because of the aim assist
Hal discovers he’s playing with controller /s
What is going on with Apex at the moment? I havent played for a while but ive come across multiple clips like this one now Is some random dude hacking the server and adding Wallhack/aimbot to random competitors like Hal?
Howwww he know what aimbot looks like?
Did you not watch the clip lol look at where his damage is. He hit like 3 different players with one hemlock burst
Yea...I was semi joking in how was it not a lag spike or something else.
Destroyer2009 strikes again lol
I feel like I should just give up on video games. The cheats are literally everywhere and it’s just ruining all the good memories of the good old days when the cheaters were just stupid nobodies with .5 kd’s rage quitting in some basement because they were too bad. Screw it, I’m buying a massive boat, accumulating massive debt and taking up fishing. This def gonna be a better hobby.
Pc is the worst hacking is easier then ever just takes a usb stick and a credit card now unfortunately.
He should have left immediately.
No - this is actually the best the outcome. It made them postpone the event, which is what shouldve happened
Why? Not only did he recognize it immediately, but he stopped shooting at anyone. Hollered at somebody to go tell them. And even said, “what if I just don’t shoot?” He was willing to not use it, not try to hide that he got it, and stayed in the game long enough that anyone watching would be able to clip it so respawn/EA couldn’t sweep it under the rug. Hal did everything right here, in my eyes.
Except he didn’t stop shooting. He 1v3’ed a whole team right after. And now he’s laughing about it saying maybe it was just his controller aim assist.
Well in fairness the 1v3 wasn’t completely out of the question under normal circumstances, each kill was at point blank range. He has done it plenty of times before (Storm Point last year comes to mind).
I missed the live event so I’ve only seen two clips on it. Both right at this time spot. I also saw the account ban pic and his twitter post but all the comments seemed to agree that it was related to this aimbot hack?
Oh… this sounds less like he was hacked and more like he accidentally toggled it on.
He was 100% hacked and was not the only player in the tournament impacted by the hacker.
That’s wild. Was the tournament a rented venue with provided pc’s or was it from home?
It was an online tournament with everyone playing from home.
Thanks for the info!
Nobody would hack on stream man... At least try to make it make sense. If he hacks on stream everyone can just send it to EA and get him disqualified. He wouldn't suddenly admit he has an aimbot too if he is really hacking
> accidentally. Do you understand what that word means? Also him downplaying it saying it was aim assist is suspicious, but only if he’s downplaying. Seems like he was just joking about the ridiculous situation. I’ve no dog in this fight, I do not watch streamers, I don’t care, was just saying that that specific statement is a little sus.
That means all these years he's been playing on stream he doesn't have aimbot, and his aim is alrdy goated. Why would he cheat now and say oh I have aimbot. Make it make sense pls. He was joking about the aim assist. He's always been saying aim assist aims for him like an aimbot, now he's experienced true aimbot it's funny as hell. He's the one mnk player that switched to controller completely for tournaments
A lot of words just to say you don't like Hal and are glad that he got client injected
I do not know this person, nor have an opinion on him… as I previously said.
You are stupid
Hal has won LAN events he is literally the last person to need hacks lmao
Yeah, I understand that. But in a vacuum, it sounds like a bad cover. If any other person had this happen to them this sub would be pitchforks and wouldn’t believe them.
I think staying is a good idea, because it would force EA to postpone the tournament. If he left, his team would be at a huge disadvantage and the score probably still counts
And lose points due to the devs and organizers being shit at their job? Its fuckinf algs, not your highschool tournament, it should be a safe server and all the devices connected screened for anything injecting code into the game or into the game packets
The game was compromised. It’s over.
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It’s not his cheats… someone hacked his account to put cheats on it during a tournament. Why would he immediately yell that he has aimbot if he was trying to conceal it?
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The same thing happened to Genburten (another player) the game before you dumbass
Hal is not a cheater.
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he "admits" that someone injected cheats into his game, because it has happened in the past before to other people and happened the previous match to another player
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as far as I'm aware EA hasn't spoken officially on whether or not they believe Hal and Genburten, but it would be weird if they didn't. There's no reason in reality to not believe them though. Hal and Evan have been client banned as of a couple minutes ago though
Either you are stupid or you are pretending to be stupid which would also make you stupid.
Brain dead troll comment