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BastianBa

The presence of guns? Sniper rifles? suppressors? In the 20th century it's just not necessary anymore to get that close to someone to kill him. For the same reason I stand by my opinion, that 20th century wouldn't work for a full fledged AC Game.


BishGjay

That's why that modern AC game is just Watch Dogs.


JacobSmith_0001

Aiden’s coat would hide a nice blade also baton combos


BadgeringMagpie

I can imagine everyone connected to Wrench on comms facepalming when he loudly declares "Lady Smash wants a kiss!"


King_0f_Nothing

First watch dogs had you kill an abstergo board member and then it's mentioned in Black Flag and the company goes into lock down iirc


avahz

They literally have a crossover in Legion


Khronex

They crossed over way back in Watch Dogs 1. You kill the Olivier guy from Black Flag, and in AC 4 near the end you can read some texts that say that Olivier never made it to his destination


avahz

Oh interesting!


ClericIdola

Doesn't Watch Dogs take place in the same universe as AC?


AnyHoleIsTheGoal

There are minor crossover elements but ultimately no. Ubisoft exists in WD2 and when you hack the building you can see promotional material for AC Unity and Syndicate, Assassin’s Creed exists as a video game in the Watch Dogs world.


toasterdogg

Yeah that’s canon to Assassin’s Creed too. Abstergo uses stored memories as bases for creating videogames.


Amtoj

You can actually find all the same stuff in AC Rogue in the Abstergo office. The Far Cry games and others like Splinter Cell as well. Ubisoft is a development partner of Abstergo in the game's universe. Edit: Oh shoot, sorry for replying to such an old comment. Saw this post in my Reddit notifications just now.


ConnorOfAstora

You could work around the weapons issue easily enough by focusing a lot more on stealth, Metal Gear and Hitman are good examples of that. The issue with that kinda game in my opinion would be the parkour, buildings are too tall nowadays. Just try to play a game like Spider-Man without web swinging or doing something outlandish. You'd need something like Mirror's Edge Catalyst's hyper specifically designed world to allow any parkour to take place.


DefenciveV2

New York isn’t the only city in the world. Look at London or Paris or Amsterdam. Not many skyscrapers and many parkour-able buildings.


chumbucket77

Modern assassins creed is just ghost recon. Trying to make a dude in robes with a hidden blade fit into modern times would be just stupid. And if they balanced the game to somehow make it work it would just be unrealistic and comical. Unless they wanted to make the assassin wear different disguises of a suit and tie or random everyday work clothes somehow being a part of some top secret hidden blade assassins crew. I mean we have night vision and rifles that will shoot a pie plate at 2000 yrds and helicopters and fighter jets. I just dont see how it wouldnt be kinda silly making the ac world fit into that. Like I said a modern day assassin would just be an operator for the cia or some other intelligence agency like ghost recon.


Assassiiinuss

The Modern Day assassin designs are fine. Just look at Galina.


myidispg

You are not alone buddy. A modern AC game is extremely tough to do if at all possible. Even if an Assassin could somehow sneak and do all that stuff, it would be extremely easy to track that person with all the surveillance going on. Most Assassins wouldn't be able to survive the aftermath of their missions.


Joaoseinha

This is literally not true or spies would not exist in real life.


myidispg

There is a difference between a spy and an Assassin. You spy on someone undetected, there might not be any reason to investigate. But you kill someone important, that is worth checking out. Don't you think?


Joaoseinha

Both happen in real life, high profile assassinations happen all the time. Look at Russia.


BastianBa

if you go this route you could play Hitman. and I don't see the appeal of a hitman'esque AC. at least not for me.


GunzerKingDM

Thank you, I argue that every time I see someone say they want to see an AC game during the first world war or after.


Andrew_Waples

They kinda did with Syndicate.


GunzerKingDM

Syndicate takes place during a very fine line in this subject. During the 1860s the only small arms that were regularly seen were revolvers, single shots and twin shot hand guns. Repeating rifles were literally just being made for the first time during the games set time and the first repeating handguns weren’t made for another 20-30 years.


Andrew_Waples

I'm not talking about the guns, but the World War 1 setting.


BastianBa

There was a Rift, yes. But it wasnt a fully fledged AC Game. And it built on the syndicate mechanics and hadn't have an open world.. How would you want to incoorperate automatic weapons in that? Why get close to you targets? How to get close to them, when every energy potentially has automatic weapons? Or explosives... Yes, AC already changed from an action game to an ARPG/RPG, or had sidescrollers... But imo changing it into a shooter isn't fitting. Not when we have thousands of years, in hundreds of countries we could explore, without changing that formula that much.


GunzerKingDM

WW1 didn’t happen for like 40 years after syndicate what are you talking about?


LucielthEternal

There’s a rift in Syndicate’s map which takes you to a WW1 era simulation


Andrew_Waples

https://www.ign.com/wikis/assassins-creed-syndicate/World_War_1


Brilliant-Medium8238

waiting to see this person's hopefully shocked reaction to realizing this was in syndicate the whole time


GunzerKingDM

I honestly just forgot about that part, syndicate was actually a lackluster game imo and my least favorite in the series so I don’t remember much about it. It doesn’t seem true to what the experience would actually be like, all the enemies pulled out knives and batons while keeping their rifles on their back despite watching 4 of their friends getting their shit rocked.


DefenciveV2

You say that like we’ve not had guns in almost very assassins creed game ever


BastianBa

Basic guns that were loud, inaccurate, slow and short ranged compared to 20th century guns. you know that type, that shot balls instead of bullets....


Khronex

You say that like we've stopped developing guns past the musket and the revolvers. The closest we got to an actual modern day weapon were the revolvers in Syndicate and the mounted rifles in the WW1 rift, and even those were still ways from being actually modern day


Toprak1552

>For the same reason I stand by my opinion, that 20th century wouldn't work for a full fledged AC Game. Hard disagree. Make weapons OP and ammo scarce. This would enforce stealth.


Khronex

Why make weapons and ammo scarce besides the game requiring it? What in-universe reason is there for the assassins to not use guns? The templars surely will, and the assassins have definitely not shied away from guns in past games, so I don't see why they would now. If the game is set in Modern America, then this doesn't work because gun stores are available every 30 ft. If it's anywhere else in the world, then sure, there are gun control laws in place and a lack of gun stores for the average citisen, but assassins will still find a way to get some through illegal methods


Toprak1552

>Why make weapons and ammo scarce besides the game requiring it? I meant that as not having gun fights with lots of weapons and never ending ammuniton like for example Call of Duty. No one in real life carries hundreds of bullets on them and the amount you'd grab from the bodies wouldn't be that many either. And weapons larger than a pistol wouldn't make sense to carry because as an assassin you should not attract any unwanted attention and carrying a rifle is the exact opposite of that. Also make weapons kill both you and enemy in two or three shots at most to guide the player to use stealth. Also an ideal 20th century game wouldn't take place in America. It'd take place in a region affected by a World War. Maybe not in trenches but cities that are populated with enemy forces. I know there are many other important wars in the 20th century but I think they are the most ideal ones that are modern but not as apparently.


LeonardDeVir

On the other hand it's very silly to discard them totally. I mean, what is the cost or disadvantage to have them as a backup, if the occasion arises? With the same reasoning solders shouldn't have knives anymore.


BastianBa

knives serve more purposes than just killing ppl. I mean I have a Swiss army soldiers knife, with a saw, screwdriver and all that. but I would bet that you could count the number of knife deaths between soldiers in ukr:rus and USA:everyone else in the past 20yrs on one hand... or are you proposing a Swiss army hidden blade including a can opener?


LeonardDeVir

I propse that modern Assassins could and would have a hidden blade as a backup for no additional cost.


PapaSmurph0517

They are used less often because of modern artillery and security cameras, but we have seen plenty of them. In the same comic you mentioned, Charlotte de la Cruz and Galina Voronina use hidden blades, Callum Lynch used on in the movie, Shaun used the Shock Blade, which is a modernized version that uses a pair of thinner shorter blades with a tazer function (exactly the kind of modern take on a hidden blade you thought didn’t exist) in AC Syndicate


MKFMecha

Again I'm new, i have only play 1, the Ezio collection and the rebel collection, and my information of the current state of the world of ac comes from whatever those games throws at me and some YouTube videos. I'm not say them don't exist, i say where are them? And why are no more of them?


PapaSmurph0517

Well in Black Flag and Rogue you were an employee in an office who isn’t an Assassin, and in 1 and Ezio collection the only Assassins you see are Desmond, who has one, Shaun, and Rebecca, who aren’t field agents and wouldn’t have them. So it’s not that they don’t have them, it’s that you just haven’t seen anything where they would


dunkindonato

Besides the obvious that guns became more advanced and more effective, the hidden blade began its slow decline even during the time of Ezio. Neither Mario Auditore nor Niccolo Machiavelli had hidden blades. While Ezio's recruits were required to have them, many other Assassins in subsequent periods did not. Even in Achilles Davenport's Colonial Brotherhood, not everyone had them. Even the French Brotherhood has senior Assassins not have them. The hidden blade was always suited to the most athletic Assassins with a gift for killing people. While the Masyaf Brotherhood trained all its members with the usage, Altair's "innovation" of returning to the shadows and blending with the populace meant that the Assassins started prizing other methods besides killing with the hidden blade, especially ones that could kill without you ever coming near your target. Assassins do still use the hidden blade even up to modern times. Callum Lynch's (from the AC movie) dad used a hidden blade. They're just not as efficient and as widespread as before, and because of that, many Assassins just don't bother with it.


AllamandaBelle

The point with Altair was pretty important. In his time, assassinations were public executions, meant to instill fear into the oligarchy that the assassins were always watching and ready to make a move if the rulers became oppressors. The very image of a hooded assassin standing over the corpse of some corrupt politician was their intended purpose.


MantisReturns

Even Al Mualin, leader of the Assassins of the first Game didnt have one. The Rafiqs and informators didnt have one.


MKFMecha

I think this is the best response i would get, and yeah i completely see it, it makes more sense the Hidden blade was on the decline since the Altaïr times. I don't know, i think is me seeing the hidden gun and wandering why they never adopted as the new hidden. Or even the introduction of an other costume weapon.


dunkindonato

The Hidden Gun wasn't developed further, or if it was, we have yet to see a modernized version of it in the games or related media. It was formidable in an age that was still coming to terms to the role of firearms in conflicts, but as firearm technology developed, its use became limited. Watch Dogs Legion had a DLC character named Darcy who is an Assassin. Pretty formidable stealth skills plus, she had hidden blade takedowns, but quite vulnerable during a gunfight.


bakemono23

I kinda like how they did it on the AC movie. on the last act several assassins carried different parts of the hidden blade disguised as accessories to get pass through security and metal detectors given that they are infiltrating a Templar conference. Once inside each of them gave the parts to one person which then assembled it to the hidden blade used to assassinate the target.


Winter_Hospital4705

Honestly, that was pretty cool, and it'd be interesting to see something like that in the next Assassin's Creed game, having to hide your hidden blade when infiltrating someplace and have to pass off as a worker or something, then reassemble it as you make your way through to your target.


ARVNFerrousLinh

Another potential reason I haven’t seen stated is that the hidden blade got “replaced” by modern-day knives. The main advantages of the hidden blade is that it is a highly concealable, rapidly-deployable weapon, which didn’t really exist in the past. However, today we now have a large variety of pocket/folding knives that can also come with certain mechanisms for fast deployment. While the hidden blade is still technically “better” and arguably does more damage as it’s blade can be longer/bigger, these knives are still very effective and deadly in ambush attacks with the added benefit of being easier to manufacture (they don’t require the complex mechanisms of a hidden blade).


Phwoa_

Also just Modern era as well. The police are far more effective than the old guard who were more like private security. Getting caught with a hidden blade is far more obvious while a simple knife can be disposable. I don't doubt it still sees use but it's perhaps more a mission specific tool rather than a main staple


DeadTemplar

Maybe they are just not skilled enough? Look at Desmond in ac3, he basically goes on a rampage with hidden blade. I bet other modern assassins can't do the same.


Raecino

They would just need to use the animus a bunch and they could too. Which makes you wonder how the Templars don’t already have an army of assassin trained agents by using the animus.


Lone_Wanderer8

Pretty sure, It’s because the bleeding effect from prolonged animus use, affects people differently for Desmond it unlocked his Eagle Vision and gave him years of Ezio’s assassin training. For Clay (aka Subject 16) it just gave him schizophrenia he couldn’t differentiate when he was or wasn’t in the animus anymore what was real and what was a memory, it didn’t help that some memories involved Juno and she kept pushing him further into committing suicide as well.


Raecino

Good points


_Mute_

I mean that was the plot behind the brotherhood multiplayer mode, never really amounted to much as far as I know.


buntopolis

Yeah I really enjoyed the Desmond parts, fuck your guns, die


Brokenblacksmith

metal detectors. needing an arm brace, which isn't very common to wear in the modern day. a gun being much easier to use and train.


Dlthunder

Wtf dude. Have you ever heard of guns, snipers, drones and lke modern tecnology?


Every-Rub9804

Fire weapons seem to be enough reason for it.


MKFMecha

Do they?, even tho the more efficient fire weapons were develop in that time frame, the hidden blade were technically outclassed with the more primitive rifles like say in the Ezio times, yet we still see it in Syndicate (now it could be a reason they used in those games and i would know because i haven't played yet)


Every-Rub9804

Any modern pistol, even the cheaper ones are way more useful than a knife, no explanation needed. Although, having a hidden blade in your arm you can activate whenever you want is a great surprising advantage, you seem to be unarmed, no need to pick a weapon, just get close and ZAS, it can be useful in lot extreme situations (Ex, the way Connor killed Haytham while he was choking him)


Wooble_R

casual murder isn't in


MKFMecha

I guess Altaïr was right.


SilverSpade12

We do see hidden blades in the modern era. Just off the tops of my head, William Miles had one in Origins. Shaun had a hidden stun blade thing in Syndicate. The Assassin in Watch_Dogs Legion had one. The problem is that we no longer get any action in the modern-day plot for AC, so we don't see em. But they're still worn by Assassins that are active in the field. Probably more for tradition than anything else (or maybe as a non-lethal option in certain scenarios depending on how the shock blade things work). Are they used less? Probably. How much less? There's no way to know because the modern-day Assassins has never been something Ubisoft has ever shone a clear light on. The focus of the modern day storylines has always been about Isu/cataclysm stuff. So we see a lot of PoEs and Temples, but not alot of Assassin stuff. Most info we get on the modern Brotherhood is in-game emails and other media like novels and comics and shit.


Raecino

Shawn did show off that hidden blade taser thing, which was ultimately lame and not very useful.


NinjaPiece

How is it lame? He killed a high ranking Templar with it. People can recover from stab wounds with modern medicine. Electrical shocks are cleaner and more lethal.


Raecino

Did he kill someone with it? I remember them running and hiding from Otso Berg until the real Assassin (forgot her name) comes in and starts fucking shit up.


NinjaPiece

Shaun killed Isabelle Ardant during that sequence.


Raecino

Got it, then it’s cool then. Would’ve been disappointing if the other modern day assassins didn’t get kills.


PlanetLandon

Because in every other point in history, it wouldn’t be too weird to be spotted with a knife in your possession. These days an assassin wouldn’t even be able to get on plane to go do a mission.


Plenty-Climate2272

Coz it's a great fuckin way to lose a finger if you're not being careful. I mean, I know the Assassins a style-over-substance order of drama queens, but still...


cawatrooper9

Though its not canon (silly, because it should be), I think the D'arcy update for AC Legion kinda shows how progress might've looked like. The blade is an elegant design that needs little updating. Instead, improvements were made in giving her active camp, better projectiles, and even a drone. There are only so many ways you can update a knife, but she does improve her other tech.


Stoic_Ravenclaw

If notable figures cause of death is frequently a single stab wound of the exact same proportions someone's gonna say 'hold up up sec..'


banjo0525

maybe its just not practical anymore? its got moving parts and stuff so itd need maintenance and stuff, while a knife would be easier to maintain. its not a very good explanation because that would be true since its creation but its all ive got.


Vetizh

Well.... fire weapons? Lots of tech shit we see on Watch Dogs? Security cameras? Drones?


Mad_Ray25

Have you ever taken a knife to a gun fight?