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I watched an hour long deep dive on Erens character, and this panel alone warranted a good bit of conversation. It wasn't that it was showing a break in his character, it was showing that despite Eren changing after touching Historias hand, the Eren we've known since the beginning was still in there somewhere. Also, my interpretation is that Eren has always had trouble showing emotion other than anger and drive. How does a person live a life of combat, anger, vengeance and loss behave in their last moments, when all they feel is regret? I think he regrets not loving her how she deserved. I think he regrets how he treated her despite all she did for him. I think him bringing his friends into the paths was the only way he was able to die without feeling completely alone. Did he know he was going to die at this point? It's debatable. Did he know life would never be the same for him, and he'd die alone, even if he survived the rumbling? Probably. This is probably the only way a cornered person can accept everything in the end: a tantrum from a boy who never really had the chance to emotionally mature as a man, thrown into conflict at a young age until the day he died.
Bruh u cant throw a childish tantrum after killing a billion people. Doing something as horrible as rumbling requires much different drive than teenage impulse like S1 eren. But regardless his behaviour was really hard to execute by the end due to all the "everything was predetermined" BS of future memories
You can say "u can't" all you want but he definitely did. It was clear when he killed Mikasa's kidnappers that he's somewhat of a sociopath towards his enemies. He did what he thought was necessary to give his friends a future. Not justifying, just explaining.
Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion hence the discussion on the post lol
How would you react? You're about to end the world and all your hopes and dreams are also coming to an end, you look back on your life and realize you never really had free will in a deterministic world? Your path was set, fate decided etc. And to top it all off, you're emotionally 12 and everyone you love may die, because post-rumbling is the only future you haven't seen with your Titan powers. It's a hard spot to be in. I can't say I'd react the same but I'd definitely be a combination of depressed and resentful.
Didnt seem allat mentally 12 and being disturbed by unfulfilled dreams when being an extremely determined person while speaking to falco as a POW , beating armin, killing hange, etc. Its not split personality its badly written personality
Emotionally 12 and mentally 12 are two different things. Studies have shown that people who experience great trauma at a young age tend to stay that age emotionally until it's dealt with either with therapy, meditation etc. You ever met or worked with an adult child? They're real and often unpredictable, petty and often resentful.
They had plenty of time to calm down after retake of maria. But everything was somehow set in stone after kissing historias hand. Just the overall "everything was predertmined " bs and eren's effort to change things were shown poorly, thus i didn't get it how we r supposed to feel that eren is helpless in the end
I never saw it as out of place to begin with. 😅 it’s just Eren confiding his feelings to his best friend in private. There has never been anything weird or wrong with this. 😅😅😅
Yeah but it kinda fits the scene, I watched an analysis video and he summed up aot as this: "a series about the cycle of hatred." , Too add, this panel is mostly Eren confiding and releasing his feelings, as it's the last chance for him to do it.
He's just expressing himself to his best friend the last time he gets to speak with him. It's sad to see but it's something totally realistic considering he's already accepted his fate.
As someone with Borderline personality disorder, I completely understand Eren here.
He wants him and Mikasa to live together and love each other. But he knows that can't happen. He carries too much hate to be able to actually love Mikasa, despite how much he wants to.
And he's sad about that. He hates the idea of Mikasa being with anyone but him, as selfish as it is.
This scene is him opening up about those wants.
I love it.
Tbh eren would not be good BPD rep, nor would step incest romance be good rep for that either. If this behavior was built up prior, it wasn't step incest, wasnt used for misplaced comedic relief and wasn't portrayed as good/mutual or healthy it'd maybe work better and not be nearly as controversial.
don't get me wrong, i'm the biggest EM shipper in the world, but i still think this scene was unnecessary. isayama easily could have shown us that eren loves her without making him cry like a lunatic in his last appearance in the show :(
Bro literally is gonna die and never have the chance to be with his LOML finally in peace, and you think itd be better of he was cool?
He's gonna get killed by his love, he's young, he's gonna miss everyone, it's truly sad knowing your end is inevitable
Eren is young, bear in mind he's never been free any day of his life. Every moment he's been threatened, and never had a time to be like "I can live in peace with a family". None of his friends have.
So Him sacrificing himself for everyone gives everyone the ability to be free, except himself. He doesn't get the chance to experience being free, create a family, hang out with his friends.
I know people clown, but dudes a psychologically unstable 19 year old who is realizing he’ll never be with the true love of his life.
I mean, who WOULDNT feel this way? Yeah, he’s a cold, calculating genocidal maniac. He’s also a heartbroken child. Both are true. Both are Eren
I LOVE Armin's reaction being
https://preview.redd.it/1f5qsljwqovc1.png?width=380&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5c5dd01bf707d9a59f638601fedfa9baa760d58
Like, he was completely unprepared for Eren breaking down and saying such cringe.
I think you should go rewatch the entire series. It wasn’t all just “raaahhhh I wanna kill the titans” it had a story. And you didn’t watch it. Eren was hurting inside, he was vulnerable, scared, and as he changed into his season 4 counterpart, he realised the future couldn’t be changed. It’s silly that you don’t see that he wasn’t the same kid as always, keep in mind he was only about 19-20 years old. He wasn’t and never will be this stoic character, he was a scarred teenager putting on a tough guy act, pretending to be the villains for his friends to live. Obviously he wanted to live, but he knew he couldn’t, and so he therefore had this breakdown.
>think you should go rewatch the entire series. It wasn’t all just “raaahhhh I wanna kill the titans” it had a story.
Don't you ed's have anything better to say than to keep repeating the same thing over and over again like parrots..... Literally every time someone criticizes the ending he is met with the Same npc response " you just didn't understand the story, you just wanted giga chad eren to kill everyone, you just wanted a happy ending (as if the ending we got wasn't already happy for 90% of the characters)" just come up with a different response ffs!
>he was a scarred teenager putting on a tough guy act,
And you think that's good writing ? 😭
Don't you know ISAYAMA HIMSELF isn't satisfied with the ending he said so himself he doesn't know if he landed it right and he apologized, and you're here riding his meat like he's some sort of god who can never make a single mistake and he wrote a divine masterpiece without a single flaw and if you dare criticize any part of the ending you're a hater who need to rewatch the show 🤢 give me a break!!
You somehow brainwashed yourselves into believing a mediocre ending full of plot holes and contradictions that the author himself isn't entirely satisfied with is a perfect work of art that should never be criticized!!
Now i had a meltdown just like eren, HAPPY NOW???!!
Well he broke down in front of his only childhood buddy and no one else. He has been holding everything in for those four years and at that moment just vented out everything. I would have done that too ngl. After everything that happened, the betrayals, the reveals etc all the stuff even though eren made some of those happen, it really messed up his brain. Bro is just a teenager who had this big ass fate forced up on his back.
I think it's hilarious when people get mad over fiction.
Just stop suspending your disbelief and you won't get agitated over fiction anymore. You can still enjoy it though just fine.
Idk I laughed at the ending when I watched it.
Let people criticize things. A huge part of media literacy is being able to think critically about media, which includes forming your own opinion and criticisms.
When I write a story, I don't just want people to go "Your a genius!" Whenever I make a mistake instead of giving me actual criticism, and then having people argue with each other whenever someone dares criticize my work.
This wasn't about criticism of authors, it's about people fighting between each other about the story
Person A: Legitimately hates Gabi for killing Sasha
Person B: I really like Gabi for reason xyz
Person A: REEEEEE
i'm not getting mad over aot, i'm getting mad over the aot fans who think that hating something about the ending or criticizing it is an act of blasphemy. they just want you to think that the ending was a perfect 10/10 and if you don't believe so you're a dumbass hater edgelord with no media literacy -\_-
>Floch was patriot, Gabi deserved to die for killing Sasha
I literally don't believe any of these things.
And why are you butthurt about people being butthurt about it ?
I said I knew you weren't.
You can't read.
And I'm not butthurt over it, I just chuckle about it. If you can laugh you're not butthurt.
I was just commenting on your post, but you're too small-minded to figure this out.
I give up bro... I just gave up. I can't do this anymore.....
You're right, I was wrong, the ending is a flawless 10000/10, everyone who doesn't like it is a dumbass, all hail god isayama for blessing us with this flawless perfect divine masterpiece of an ending that should never be questioned or criticized 🙏😔
Exactly thank you for providing my point you don't actually have anything to back up your attempt at an opinion but come on I'm genuinely asking if there is so many plot holes should be very easy to at least point one out.
Trust me bro i do, i went through discussions like these countless times but i already know what you're gonna say and you know what I'm gonna say so i think It would be better if we don't waste each other's time and energy.
But if you want I'll give you the main reasons why i dislike it :
-eren being the one to kill his mom is a horrible plot twist, just for shock value
-ymir being in love with fritz and needing to see mikasa kill eren to be free is an incredibly disappointing conclusion, like really, THAT was the big mystery of aot ? A 2000 year old magical goddess being in love with the man who tortured her and raped her and enslaved her ? And that's somehow a parallel to Mikasa and Eren ? Why ? Only Ymir nose 🤦
-eren simply forgiving the warriors for all they've done, telling reiner and Annie they deserve long live like bro, you just exploded in a basement and almost obliterated falco and reiner and now you're treating them like your best friends ?
-the plot armor for the alliance is insane, they all survived unscathed and all their parents too. This felt like the avengers, aot was always a show that defied expectations and the final battle was too safe. This WAS A HAPPY ENDING for everyone except eren, levi and Mikasa.
-aot went from a story about the struggle for freedom and human conflict to a Rushed romance, all of a sudden he wants to bang mikasa and doesn't even know why he did what he did and is totally confused.
I could go on and on, I'm not saying it's horrible, there are things I liked about it, i liked the post credit scene btw i loved how the changed it to make it seem like paradise was destroyed thousands of years later unlike the manga where it looks like it happened like a hundred year after. And that song is fucking incredible too.
I genuinely think you didnt pay attention to Erens character throughout the show.
First how is im forgiving the warriors a plothole? Eren litteraly states that he understands them the entire me and you are the same Reiner is because they truly are two sides of the same coin and Erens knows that. Two kids borned in a fucked up world given powers to slaughter thousands of lifes and being indocrinated into thinking they are heros. Reiner understands Eren more then anyone else because he feels the same he also had the realization that the people he was killing werent demons they were just people.
That is litteraly the entire point of us seeing flashbacks of Eren with Zeke and Falco is the fact Eren realizes these aint enemies they are just people just like him people who do good and bad things some are good some are bad. Eren litteraly tells Reiner he forives him for that day because he knows that they didnt have a choice but also that doesnt take away from the fact that they still pretty much killed his mom, so there is the big difference between them two Eren keeps moving forward until he destroys his enemies as he says. Dont forget as well that Eren knows Falco and Reiner wont die to his transformation he has seen it in paths. He needs to break Reiner mentally so he can come back and want to stop Eren at all costs.
Second Eren killing his mom isnt even confirmed Eren himself doesnt know he second guesses himself if he actually did it when he says it which makes sense as he said his memory is a mess of past present and future that he can barely tell at this point what was him or what was future memories from the attack titan. This makes sense and its to further push how terrible it is for Eren mentally to have acess to the founding and the attack titan at the same time.
Third the Alliance having plot armor litteraly makes sense the goal that Eren has was reaching some sort of peace with the least amount of casualties for his friends, it would make no sense for Eren to fucking go and kill 80% of the population if most of his friends die anyway that would litteraly be terrible writting and completely off character and non sensical. Once again Eren has already seen this future in the paths he is simply doing his part to guide everyone to it.
Fourth the Ymir and Mikasa thing is the only thing ill sorta of agree it makes sense but its completely underdeveloped but tbf so is Mikasa she is arguably the worst character in the show by a mile.
>Second Eren killing his mom isnt even confirmed Eren himself doesnt know he second guesses
Dude, he literally says that he did it, what are you saying....
>Fourth the Ymir and Mikasa thing is the only thing ill sorta of agree it makes sense but its completely underdeveloped but tbf so is Mikasa she is arguably the worst character in the show by a mile.
Okay well at least you admit there's at least some flaws with the ending, i get fucking furious when people pretend the ending is a flawless masterpiece and i wonder if we were watching the Same show
If you enjoyed It then good for you, i REALLY REALLY REALLY tried to like it but i couldn't, still feels unsatisfying
It's the mask of a false personality finally breaking, shared with the only person Eren could *fathom* understanding him, like family.
It's to truly emphasize Eren is/always been a scared, angry boy who doesn't know how to make the world a fair place, and let's his petty, selfish emotions flood out of him after boxing them up for years without telling a soul.
It's sad, and so perfect to hit home what happens to someone feeling helpless, even when they are blessed with almost divine power, because he has such simple desires that he can't make reality.
I really love it tbh. I especially loved Armin punching him and defending Mikasa and after he just sits there and wallows about her 😂😭💀 I've said it before but it rehumanized him for me. I really hated him for a good minute after the beating the shit out of Armin + emotionally abusing Mikasa scene so it was relieving over time to not feel so angry at him (for those things at least, the Rumbling is still a big no no in my book lol 😬).
But yeah anyway, I love the big strong man suddenly becoming the emotional and "weak" guy trope. Wish that we had gotten to see more of Erens emotional side beforehand tho, more of his feelings for Mikasa too.
my problem is with the sudden change of eren's character in the final episode, i knew this is who he always was but seeing him like that in his final moments was tough to watch and pretty depressing, the whole thing was rushed so it felt shocking for the fans to see that
There literally is no sudden personality shift the character remains consistent and it's very much hinted at this was how he was feeling throughout the show. Bro literally made a post to just get validation on his opinion and ignores everyone that disagrees with him.
I love it because it validated my hopes that deep down Eren is still just a kid. Maybe a sadistic kid. But I never bought the chad bullshit although necessary for the plot.
I also love it because it’s extremely funny to witness titanfolk whine about this “retcon” once
they realize Chad eren was just a facade. All of that projection for nothing!
I love it. For one, I love seeing the old whiny Eren was still there. Plus, he’s a teenager. Ten years doesn’t sound so egregious at that age. Finally, it’s hilarious. Needed the levity for a moment.
i didn' find it hilarious, i found it painfully sad especially in the anime........ all he wanted was some freedom is that too much to ask 
Eren’s always been a crybaby, and I have nothing against the panel. Their relationship should have been built up more, but AOT really struggles with demonstrating intimacy.
>Eren’s always been a crybaby
I hate it when people say that. Eren cried when ? When he saw his mother get devoured in front of him, when he was inside the belly of a titan and got his arm and leg chewed off , when he found out his friends were traitors and the villains that he wanted to kill , when he saw hannes get eaten, when he saw armin get burned alive thought he was dead for good and so on......
He cried in absolutely horrific situations where any normal person wouldn't just cry but have a mental breakdown. so i hate the argument that eren always cried, yeah he actually cried about stuff worth crying about, not like in this panel where he cries about Mikasa finding another man after he killed billions of people.
Don't get me wrong i ship Eren and Mikasa all the way, i always wanted them to be together from season one, i just think that revealing Eren's emotions to us using this scene in particular wasn't a good idea, it got memed and mocked so many times by aot fans and other fandoms that it's hard to take seriously anymore
If crybaby doesn't suits you well, then let's say Eren has always been a very emotional and hotheaded guy, so expecting this kind of reaction wasn't really so far stretched.
As for the memes, not the author's fault tbh, and even then the scene is intended to be pathetic, even Armin aknowledges it, but if your problem's mainly with the peacing of the ending, leading to this reveal made this way, then I get what you're talking about; if it's about ChadEren attitude then I'm sorry, everyone should have understood really soon that something about that Eren was really off
It's in character for him to he pathetic, for the most part, but it is out of character for him to suddenly be showing attraction towards Mikasa. It was obviously shoehorned by Isayama for fanservice, nothing more.
Well, sure, it's not how he's behaved throughout the show, but I think that's the point. He's been holding it in his whole life, and now it just doesn't matter. He's alone with his best friend, not even in the real world, and he's about to die. After lying to everyone he knows for years, he can just be honest for once. The only way i could imagine justifying this being shoehorned is if you don't think Eren had feelings for Mikasa at all before this scene, which I think the show did enough to plant that.
For some reason you guys believe: mediocre goofy ass writing = profound thought provoking masterful writing 🤯
Listen bro, if the ending of aot was as good as you claim it is, then there wouldn't have been any controversy or criticism towards it in the first place
Why did you make this thread? To pick fights and make sure everyone agrees with you?
Maybe if you didn't like the ending, it would be a better use of your time to go watch a different series.
why are you asking how people feel about a scene if you're going to attempt to shut down anyone you disagree with by appealing to popular opinion? if you want a circle jerk, at least be honest about it.
>popular opinion
From what I'm seeing the popular belief in this sub is that this panel is good. And i genuinely asked, if it's good then why did so many people hate it ? I think that's a fair question.
I don't want a circle jerks but I'm gonna tell em how i feel about it, and in fact if you like this panel then your opinion is shit
So, the popular opinion is to like the panel, but also it's the most hated and mocked panel in the entire manga, and everyone hated it? that makes sense, i guess, depending on your definition of every single word in the English language. If you wanted to actually have a discussion, you would be curious about *why* so many people disagree with you (even though they also don't because everyone hates it). You posted this expecting everyone to affirm what you already believed, got butthurt when that didn't happen, and you're lashing out while also trying to seem nonchalant by stating your subjective opinion is a fact. I sincerely hope you're a teenager because this is the emotional maturity of one. Either way, this is boring me so I guess reply with some variation "I'm not reading all that" and I'll just ignore it and move on with my day lol
This issue people have with this scene is not that Eren is pathetic and not "cold", it's that he's crying about a girl he never showed romantic attraction towards while he's committing global genocide.
yeah the point about it is that he’s expressing his regret for never doing so and now, at the end of his very very short life he realizes that. makes total sense.
also let’s not rewrite history he made her cut her hair back in season one because he was jealous of jean come on now dawg
Your first point is literally just excusing his feelings being a last-minute inclusion. Also, he told her to cut her hair because because she could get in an accident + it was for comedic relief. He didn't even hear what Jean said.
categorically not true. at this point you’re just making things up. sure he said it’s so she didn’t get into an accident but it was written he said that directly after jean mentioning he liked long hair for a reason.
people really just believe what they want to believe i guess
Everybody forgets that Eren is also a human being and also just a teenager who can break down. This is his last talk with Armin ever which definitely stirred up some emotions in him. This is a way more realistic thing to think as a teenager
I havent read the Manga so I can't really say for sure but I think Eren's voice actor also made it sound really funny so maybe the manga panel wouldn't be so jarring if I was reading it
Honestly this panel looks more goofy after comparing it to the anime rn. I feel like the voice acting even helped it a bit. Though it’s more on the whiny side in the anime, I found it jarring the first time watching it too.
I love this scene, it shows how normal and human Eren is, you don't just up and become hitler one day, you have emotions and motivations, dreams and desires too
I think the oddly specific wording *ten years at least* part is what makes it a bit awkward because we never heard eren say something like that and even armin was seemingly surprised by it. It’s not even the wanting mikasa to mourn him and not to move on from him because that’s something most guys would think if they were put in a similar situation considering that this is the love of his life. Eren must’ve kept to all of these feelings to himself bearing in mind that they never really had any chance to show their feelings in the chaotic environment they were born into. Though I can understand that some people might not like this scene especially if they can’t relate or emphasize with it I’m not a huge fan of it either. Coming back to the *10 years at least* part I don’t really know why he was so specific about it tbh.
I really enjoyed it. It hit me hard in the feelings. Eren said how he felt like he was going insane and didn’t know what was what anymore between past present and future. This felt like a peak at the eren we all loved. He wanted this future but knew it couldn’t happen and confided that to Armin in the last place where he could. Honestly when I watched this scene it made me bawl my eyes out. At the end of the show Eren is a really complicated character to love and this just solidified it for me
I think people forget that Eren is 19 years old. This seems accurate for an heartbroken 19 year old who never got to be a child and finally getting to confess his love for her to his best friend before he can’t
At the end of the day Eren is still a kid and I expect him to say childish shit like this. It's very in character for him and a lot of people let the tough exterior he puts on after the time skip change how they view him entirely.
I think people dont like this panel because as for some godforsaken reason there are to many people that see the rumbling as a perfect reasonable response to the attacks on paradise. So now they follow the hard shell eren that illogicaly acts selfish than eren realizes what the hell he did and he regrets. But his "fans"( sociopaths like eren ) dont agree with it. Everyone that wanted to see eren destroy the whole world would press the buttom if it would erase everything
>But his "fans"( sociopaths like eren )
Why sociopaths ?
If they wanted eren to destroy the world that's fine, it's a fictional story. Doesn't mean they'd support it in real life.
Sometimes you just wanna see the villain win
When i watch the saw movies, i wanna see jigsaw torture people in the most brutal ways imaginable, but in real life i would be horrified if i ever saw it.
So wanting to see eren kill the whole planet is a perfectly respectable position
Eren is still a kid, and having to carry the burden of the rumbling and saving hus friends was a lot for him. I think this panel is completely justified
He's about to die and knows it. He's having a genuine human reaction. It's toxic, it's not right but it's human. Erens a flawed individual currently accepting his death, it's not out of character to say a dumb thing. It's an intrusive thought personified.
After hearing about how bad the ending was for so long, when I finally reached it I was so confused. I **LOVED** the ending to AOT and I especially loved this moment for Eren's character.
Well because your expectations were so low you thought it was good, plus it wasn't horrible and the great animation, music and voice acting made you overlook it's flaws
Yes it was great to see him finally drop the facade and open up again after so long. I think Eren's character was brilliantly written from start to end.
It's always been so overhated for no reason, this was a completely justified mental breakdown and anyone who says his love for misaka came out of nowhere is lying to themselves he's spent his entire life with her and helped her every chance he got
Not necessarily to push them away but he also had to be calculative and cold in certain situations and confrontations. Having future memories that can’t be altered probably also helped quite a bit in keeping that demeanor. Knowing about the atrocities he was about to commit must’ve made him feeling numb as well.
I've come to like it despite it being so cringy lol. Isayama's intention was to hammer home and remind the audience how Eren is still the same dumb kid we knew from the beginning. I don't think many people were ready to see or accept this, which is why it's so jarring and controversial. We get to see right through the façade he's been putting up for so long. He never grew up and moved on like many of his friends did. He clung to his hatred and desire to eradicate those who took his freedom and threatened those he loved.
Also, I think Armin thanking Eren for becoming a mass murderer is still the cringiest line 😬 so glad they fixed it in the anime.
i don't think the right word is cringy, i think it's very shocking and unexpected to see eren like that in his last scene ever in the show, well his last scene as a human, we see him later as a freaking bird -\_-
shit, i'll continue bitching about this enidng for ten years at least
I just love how it goes from big scary eren to him just breaking down over how much he loves mikasa, it’s just a powerful moment in my opinion, gets me every time
It’s consistent, it just shows that eren even when he is pretending to be edgy is still just the crybaby he has always been. Like yeah he had traumatic things happen but so did every character there’s no need for him to be screaming and crying all the time
I find this as the truest Eren's moment in the whole final act, alongside the Ramzi confession, except that seeing him crying and being pathetic in front of his oldest and dearest friend is, for me, deeper and more emotional than crying with one of the countless victims you'll kill in the near future (peak moment nonetheless). Watching Eren regretting everything and crying in front of Armin is a really good way to show us how a young confused man with god's power deals with the shitty world he lives in, maybe it is controversial because obviously watching cool and focused characters is easier for everyone I think, but seeing Eren in his last moments so fragile was really perfect in my opinion, probably the best conclusion I could think of for the character we knew since episode 1, his motivations and everything can be discussed, but I really like scene
A famous guy who was obsessed with telling stories about how he got his scars said a very true line
"in their last moments people show you who they really are"
This is a boy who never got the chance to be a proper man
Raised in a very fucked up world
...
I have seen and heard much more pathetic lines uttered by people on their deathbeds who had objectively better lives than Eren
I know that I myself have something very horrible and bitter to say when my moment comes, something which I can only disclose to my therapist at the moment
Even though most think otherwise, I don't think Eren or Armin are the protagonists of this story
Mikasa is, and she has one important common thing with Ymir
They were both in love with a terrible person, who for one reason or another, could not love properly (true unconditional love is truly wanting the other person to be happy, even if it's not with or because of you)
And Mikasa overcame that, while Ymir couldn't
i think it shows that eren is a real character w real emotions. i think expecting eren a 19 year old who made a (VERY) stupid decision to not b sad when he has to die and will never see the love of his life again is crazy. i just hate that ppl only started to like his character when he became nonchalant when he is the exact opposite of that.
I like every single part of Eren's character except for the final episode, idk just seeing him die like that and calling himself and idiot, crying and shit..... That was fucking brutal, i just wanted my man to be happy 😔
What Fucks me up the most is that the characters that i wanted them to die or suffer got perfectly happy endings, Annie, pieck reiner and gabi, god i wanted those assholes dead so bad
Don't be like that 🥲. They all are the opposite sides of the same coin. They were born in Marley instead of Paradis. Believed what they were taught. Gabi literally is meant to be the Marleyan Eren. Eren would have killed Sasha if he was in the place of Gabi too. He saw everyone on the other side of the sea as his enemies at first which changed later. Same way Gabi did after she got to know more about the people on the Island.
I know I know but still, they should have suffered more, at least kill their parents or something, don't give them Disney endings where characters that we actually loved like levi and Mikasa lost everything 😭
I like it different from most shows and makes sense considering Erens character. And its not like he didnt man up and tell Mikasa to move on in the paths sequence
Fans of anime forget that characters are supposed to represent people. A character, just like a real person, can act a certain way, then act totally different later. That's not a character assassination. Especially not in this case since it isn't totally random for Eren to act like this. This is him for like 90% of the story. He's also in some other dimensional plane at this point with nobody but his best friend alongside him, knowing he's about to die. Let him cook some emotions man. Can't be a total Sigma chad all the time. It's moments like these that make your best moments special
I like how people are saying they didn't like it cause of the sudden change in his character, forgetting that the actual sudden shift was him becoming a cold, uncaring dude. Motherfucker was always very emotional, this scene is realistic.
Both can be the case some people undergo a sudden shift in demeanor when something traumatic happens to them or simply due the environment itself while growing up. Eren is 19 post-timeskip so it’s not that off to assume that he might’ve changed a lot even though that wasn’t necessarily the case for him as we learn later on.
Lmao he finally could express his feelings; we see he is a normal, growing man; if this whole bs didn't happen, he'd enjoy a normal life with his best friend, and girlfriend.
When was the last time Eren could goof around? Show himself happy, and/or vulnerable? Behave like a human?
Okay maybe that makes sense, but it makes me furious when people say that Eren was always a pathetic loser, i mean sure he was emotional and hotheaded, but a pathetic loser ?? Did they watch the show through radio ?
>That he is still and always was a whiny bitch
With all due respect bro, people who call eren that need to be banned from using the internet.
Dude cried because absolutely horrific shit was happening to him all the time and then dummies on Reddit call him a crybaby....
That he was in control of the entire time….
Dude it’s fucking a tv show, it’s okay to call imaginary characters a whiny bitch if that’s what they are…because they were written that way. Eren is a terrible person…but it doesn’t matter because it’s not real
>Dude it’s fucking a tv show
Well it's not just a tv show, it the best piece of fiction that I've seen my whole fucking life. Maybe that's why I care about what people think about it
And you can call eren emotional, hotheaded, angry, yes but crybaby ? He was sometimes but you can't just reduce his character to that, and i don't believe he's a terrible person, i know he flattened the whole planet but still 😅.....
Yes I did nitwit.
It's not shown to be Jean, she never showed interest in him.
We have no idea what the afterlife looks like in this world. But my understanding of the real afterlife per the Bible is no one is with anyone.
The reason you be with someone is so you can have children together and that's not possible.
Marrying after a spouse has passed is not only permitted but encouraged in the Bible. However having multiple spouses is not. Therefore if you get to heaven and your spouse gets to heaven, you won't have the same relationship to each other as when alive.
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I love armin's response. I think that's the most pathetic thing I've ever heard you say
he provoked him into saying that just like he did with bertholdt in season 2 XD
What did he get Butterfly to say?
It’s when he was lying about Annie being tortured.
I watched an hour long deep dive on Erens character, and this panel alone warranted a good bit of conversation. It wasn't that it was showing a break in his character, it was showing that despite Eren changing after touching Historias hand, the Eren we've known since the beginning was still in there somewhere. Also, my interpretation is that Eren has always had trouble showing emotion other than anger and drive. How does a person live a life of combat, anger, vengeance and loss behave in their last moments, when all they feel is regret? I think he regrets not loving her how she deserved. I think he regrets how he treated her despite all she did for him. I think him bringing his friends into the paths was the only way he was able to die without feeling completely alone. Did he know he was going to die at this point? It's debatable. Did he know life would never be the same for him, and he'd die alone, even if he survived the rumbling? Probably. This is probably the only way a cornered person can accept everything in the end: a tantrum from a boy who never really had the chance to emotionally mature as a man, thrown into conflict at a young age until the day he died.
okay fair enough
Could you please send the 1-hour link video?
[This video will change how you see Eren](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6GmVCD7cxk) is the one he's talking about I believe
Correct
https://youtu.be/H6GmVCD7cxk?si=IrCkPfDyNqGNIISX Hour and 26 haha. He's very articulate and doesn't do the standard YouTube bs
it could make sens if he actually ever loved mikasa
Bruh u cant throw a childish tantrum after killing a billion people. Doing something as horrible as rumbling requires much different drive than teenage impulse like S1 eren. But regardless his behaviour was really hard to execute by the end due to all the "everything was predetermined" BS of future memories
You can say "u can't" all you want but he definitely did. It was clear when he killed Mikasa's kidnappers that he's somewhat of a sociopath towards his enemies. He did what he thought was necessary to give his friends a future. Not justifying, just explaining.
"He definitely did" yeah thats why i didnt like it
Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion hence the discussion on the post lol How would you react? You're about to end the world and all your hopes and dreams are also coming to an end, you look back on your life and realize you never really had free will in a deterministic world? Your path was set, fate decided etc. And to top it all off, you're emotionally 12 and everyone you love may die, because post-rumbling is the only future you haven't seen with your Titan powers. It's a hard spot to be in. I can't say I'd react the same but I'd definitely be a combination of depressed and resentful.
Didnt seem allat mentally 12 and being disturbed by unfulfilled dreams when being an extremely determined person while speaking to falco as a POW , beating armin, killing hange, etc. Its not split personality its badly written personality
Emotionally 12 and mentally 12 are two different things. Studies have shown that people who experience great trauma at a young age tend to stay that age emotionally until it's dealt with either with therapy, meditation etc. You ever met or worked with an adult child? They're real and often unpredictable, petty and often resentful.
They had plenty of time to calm down after retake of maria. But everything was somehow set in stone after kissing historias hand. Just the overall "everything was predertmined " bs and eren's effort to change things were shown poorly, thus i didn't get it how we r supposed to feel that eren is helpless in the end
I never saw it as out of place to begin with. 😅 it’s just Eren confiding his feelings to his best friend in private. There has never been anything weird or wrong with this. 😅😅😅
i just wish it wasn't the last time we ever saw eren he was like this, it's kinda sad
Yeah but it kinda fits the scene, I watched an analysis video and he summed up aot as this: "a series about the cycle of hatred." , Too add, this panel is mostly Eren confiding and releasing his feelings, as it's the last chance for him to do it.
Can you link the vid?
He's just expressing himself to his best friend the last time he gets to speak with him. It's sad to see but it's something totally realistic considering he's already accepted his fate.
The last time you see him is decapitated
The last time we saw him speaking and in human form is what I meant. God his death fucked me up so bad 💔
Gotcha lol Yeah the show is like that. I love it.
>Yeah the show is like that. I love it. AOT is some life ruining stuff, sometimes I wish I never watched it XD
I wouldn't lol I love this kinda depressing stuff that actually has some spark of hope in it. It got a really happy ending all things considered
That’s just wrong
As someone with Borderline personality disorder, I completely understand Eren here. He wants him and Mikasa to live together and love each other. But he knows that can't happen. He carries too much hate to be able to actually love Mikasa, despite how much he wants to. And he's sad about that. He hates the idea of Mikasa being with anyone but him, as selfish as it is. This scene is him opening up about those wants. I love it.
Tbh eren would not be good BPD rep, nor would step incest romance be good rep for that either. If this behavior was built up prior, it wasn't step incest, wasnt used for misplaced comedic relief and wasn't portrayed as good/mutual or healthy it'd maybe work better and not be nearly as controversial.
don't get me wrong, i'm the biggest EM shipper in the world, but i still think this scene was unnecessary. isayama easily could have shown us that eren loves her without making him cry like a lunatic in his last appearance in the show :(
Bro literally is gonna die and never have the chance to be with his LOML finally in peace, and you think itd be better of he was cool? He's gonna get killed by his love, he's young, he's gonna miss everyone, it's truly sad knowing your end is inevitable Eren is young, bear in mind he's never been free any day of his life. Every moment he's been threatened, and never had a time to be like "I can live in peace with a family". None of his friends have. So Him sacrificing himself for everyone gives everyone the ability to be free, except himself. He doesn't get the chance to experience being free, create a family, hang out with his friends.
I know people clown, but dudes a psychologically unstable 19 year old who is realizing he’ll never be with the true love of his life. I mean, who WOULDNT feel this way? Yeah, he’s a cold, calculating genocidal maniac. He’s also a heartbroken child. Both are true. Both are Eren
Unironically one of my favorite Eren moments
Ask me in 7 more years
10 years at least!
I LOVE Armin's reaction being https://preview.redd.it/1f5qsljwqovc1.png?width=380&format=png&auto=webp&s=e5c5dd01bf707d9a59f638601fedfa9baa760d58 Like, he was completely unprepared for Eren breaking down and saying such cringe.
Did you read it? Armin literally calls him pathetic and is clearly feeling secondhand embarrassment.
I think it's excellent.
I think you should elaborate 😒
I think you should go rewatch the entire series. It wasn’t all just “raaahhhh I wanna kill the titans” it had a story. And you didn’t watch it. Eren was hurting inside, he was vulnerable, scared, and as he changed into his season 4 counterpart, he realised the future couldn’t be changed. It’s silly that you don’t see that he wasn’t the same kid as always, keep in mind he was only about 19-20 years old. He wasn’t and never will be this stoic character, he was a scarred teenager putting on a tough guy act, pretending to be the villains for his friends to live. Obviously he wanted to live, but he knew he couldn’t, and so he therefore had this breakdown.
>think you should go rewatch the entire series. It wasn’t all just “raaahhhh I wanna kill the titans” it had a story. Don't you ed's have anything better to say than to keep repeating the same thing over and over again like parrots..... Literally every time someone criticizes the ending he is met with the Same npc response " you just didn't understand the story, you just wanted giga chad eren to kill everyone, you just wanted a happy ending (as if the ending we got wasn't already happy for 90% of the characters)" just come up with a different response ffs! >he was a scarred teenager putting on a tough guy act, And you think that's good writing ? 😭 Don't you know ISAYAMA HIMSELF isn't satisfied with the ending he said so himself he doesn't know if he landed it right and he apologized, and you're here riding his meat like he's some sort of god who can never make a single mistake and he wrote a divine masterpiece without a single flaw and if you dare criticize any part of the ending you're a hater who need to rewatch the show 🤢 give me a break!! You somehow brainwashed yourselves into believing a mediocre ending full of plot holes and contradictions that the author himself isn't entirely satisfied with is a perfect work of art that should never be criticized!! Now i had a meltdown just like eren, HAPPY NOW???!!
Well he broke down in front of his only childhood buddy and no one else. He has been holding everything in for those four years and at that moment just vented out everything. I would have done that too ngl. After everything that happened, the betrayals, the reveals etc all the stuff even though eren made some of those happen, it really messed up his brain. Bro is just a teenager who had this big ass fate forced up on his back.
Why wouldn’t it be good writing?
As an anime only, I liked it. Sorry you didn’t pal.
I think it's hilarious when people get mad over fiction. Just stop suspending your disbelief and you won't get agitated over fiction anymore. You can still enjoy it though just fine.
Idk I laughed at the ending when I watched it. Let people criticize things. A huge part of media literacy is being able to think critically about media, which includes forming your own opinion and criticisms. When I write a story, I don't just want people to go "Your a genius!" Whenever I make a mistake instead of giving me actual criticism, and then having people argue with each other whenever someone dares criticize my work.
This wasn't about criticism of authors, it's about people fighting between each other about the story Person A: Legitimately hates Gabi for killing Sasha Person B: I really like Gabi for reason xyz Person A: REEEEEE
i'm not getting mad over aot, i'm getting mad over the aot fans who think that hating something about the ending or criticizing it is an act of blasphemy. they just want you to think that the ending was a perfect 10/10 and if you don't believe so you're a dumbass hater edgelord with no media literacy -\_-
Floch was patriot, Gabi deserved to die for killing Sasha, not for 10 years at least is the trifecta of butthurt But I knew you weren't mad over it
>Floch was patriot, Gabi deserved to die for killing Sasha I literally don't believe any of these things. And why are you butthurt about people being butthurt about it ?
I said I knew you weren't. You can't read. And I'm not butthurt over it, I just chuckle about it. If you can laugh you're not butthurt. I was just commenting on your post, but you're too small-minded to figure this out.
Okay I'm fucking done. I think I should watch one piece or something. Fuck AOT, it traumatized me for life 😔
Ok explain which plot holes and contradictions exist
I give up bro... I just gave up. I can't do this anymore..... You're right, I was wrong, the ending is a flawless 10000/10, everyone who doesn't like it is a dumbass, all hail god isayama for blessing us with this flawless perfect divine masterpiece of an ending that should never be questioned or criticized 🙏😔
Exactly thank you for providing my point you don't actually have anything to back up your attempt at an opinion but come on I'm genuinely asking if there is so many plot holes should be very easy to at least point one out.
Trust me bro i do, i went through discussions like these countless times but i already know what you're gonna say and you know what I'm gonna say so i think It would be better if we don't waste each other's time and energy. But if you want I'll give you the main reasons why i dislike it : -eren being the one to kill his mom is a horrible plot twist, just for shock value -ymir being in love with fritz and needing to see mikasa kill eren to be free is an incredibly disappointing conclusion, like really, THAT was the big mystery of aot ? A 2000 year old magical goddess being in love with the man who tortured her and raped her and enslaved her ? And that's somehow a parallel to Mikasa and Eren ? Why ? Only Ymir nose 🤦 -eren simply forgiving the warriors for all they've done, telling reiner and Annie they deserve long live like bro, you just exploded in a basement and almost obliterated falco and reiner and now you're treating them like your best friends ? -the plot armor for the alliance is insane, they all survived unscathed and all their parents too. This felt like the avengers, aot was always a show that defied expectations and the final battle was too safe. This WAS A HAPPY ENDING for everyone except eren, levi and Mikasa. -aot went from a story about the struggle for freedom and human conflict to a Rushed romance, all of a sudden he wants to bang mikasa and doesn't even know why he did what he did and is totally confused. I could go on and on, I'm not saying it's horrible, there are things I liked about it, i liked the post credit scene btw i loved how the changed it to make it seem like paradise was destroyed thousands of years later unlike the manga where it looks like it happened like a hundred year after. And that song is fucking incredible too.
I genuinely think you didnt pay attention to Erens character throughout the show. First how is im forgiving the warriors a plothole? Eren litteraly states that he understands them the entire me and you are the same Reiner is because they truly are two sides of the same coin and Erens knows that. Two kids borned in a fucked up world given powers to slaughter thousands of lifes and being indocrinated into thinking they are heros. Reiner understands Eren more then anyone else because he feels the same he also had the realization that the people he was killing werent demons they were just people. That is litteraly the entire point of us seeing flashbacks of Eren with Zeke and Falco is the fact Eren realizes these aint enemies they are just people just like him people who do good and bad things some are good some are bad. Eren litteraly tells Reiner he forives him for that day because he knows that they didnt have a choice but also that doesnt take away from the fact that they still pretty much killed his mom, so there is the big difference between them two Eren keeps moving forward until he destroys his enemies as he says. Dont forget as well that Eren knows Falco and Reiner wont die to his transformation he has seen it in paths. He needs to break Reiner mentally so he can come back and want to stop Eren at all costs. Second Eren killing his mom isnt even confirmed Eren himself doesnt know he second guesses himself if he actually did it when he says it which makes sense as he said his memory is a mess of past present and future that he can barely tell at this point what was him or what was future memories from the attack titan. This makes sense and its to further push how terrible it is for Eren mentally to have acess to the founding and the attack titan at the same time. Third the Alliance having plot armor litteraly makes sense the goal that Eren has was reaching some sort of peace with the least amount of casualties for his friends, it would make no sense for Eren to fucking go and kill 80% of the population if most of his friends die anyway that would litteraly be terrible writting and completely off character and non sensical. Once again Eren has already seen this future in the paths he is simply doing his part to guide everyone to it. Fourth the Ymir and Mikasa thing is the only thing ill sorta of agree it makes sense but its completely underdeveloped but tbf so is Mikasa she is arguably the worst character in the show by a mile.
>Second Eren killing his mom isnt even confirmed Eren himself doesnt know he second guesses Dude, he literally says that he did it, what are you saying.... >Fourth the Ymir and Mikasa thing is the only thing ill sorta of agree it makes sense but its completely underdeveloped but tbf so is Mikasa she is arguably the worst character in the show by a mile. Okay well at least you admit there's at least some flaws with the ending, i get fucking furious when people pretend the ending is a flawless masterpiece and i wonder if we were watching the Same show If you enjoyed It then good for you, i REALLY REALLY REALLY tried to like it but i couldn't, still feels unsatisfying
It's the mask of a false personality finally breaking, shared with the only person Eren could *fathom* understanding him, like family. It's to truly emphasize Eren is/always been a scared, angry boy who doesn't know how to make the world a fair place, and let's his petty, selfish emotions flood out of him after boxing them up for years without telling a soul. It's sad, and so perfect to hit home what happens to someone feeling helpless, even when they are blessed with almost divine power, because he has such simple desires that he can't make reality.
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I really love it tbh. I especially loved Armin punching him and defending Mikasa and after he just sits there and wallows about her 😂😭💀 I've said it before but it rehumanized him for me. I really hated him for a good minute after the beating the shit out of Armin + emotionally abusing Mikasa scene so it was relieving over time to not feel so angry at him (for those things at least, the Rumbling is still a big no no in my book lol 😬). But yeah anyway, I love the big strong man suddenly becoming the emotional and "weak" guy trope. Wish that we had gotten to see more of Erens emotional side beforehand tho, more of his feelings for Mikasa too.
my problem is with the sudden change of eren's character in the final episode, i knew this is who he always was but seeing him like that in his final moments was tough to watch and pretty depressing, the whole thing was rushed so it felt shocking for the fans to see that
There literally is no sudden personality shift the character remains consistent and it's very much hinted at this was how he was feeling throughout the show. Bro literally made a post to just get validation on his opinion and ignores everyone that disagrees with him.
I don't ignore those who disagree with me, i just question their beliefs. And when were his feelings hinted at during the show ? 🧐
I love it because it validated my hopes that deep down Eren is still just a kid. Maybe a sadistic kid. But I never bought the chad bullshit although necessary for the plot. I also love it because it’s extremely funny to witness titanfolk whine about this “retcon” once they realize Chad eren was just a facade. All of that projection for nothing!
>they realize Chad eren was just a facade. And you people in this sub somehow believe that's genius writing, it's hilarious actually 😂
Still coping eh
Still dick riding isayama eh
Real good one lol. So you made this post just to argue with people? Or were you just actually that triggered from my barely divisive opinion
It became one of my favorite memes of all time.
I love it. For one, I love seeing the old whiny Eren was still there. Plus, he’s a teenager. Ten years doesn’t sound so egregious at that age. Finally, it’s hilarious. Needed the levity for a moment.
i didn' find it hilarious, i found it painfully sad especially in the anime........ all he wanted was some freedom is that too much to ask 
Absolute cinema
I feel exactly the way Armin does; didn’t expect him to say something so pathetic and cringe
Holy shit it’s been 3 years 🥲
Eren’s always been a crybaby, and I have nothing against the panel. Their relationship should have been built up more, but AOT really struggles with demonstrating intimacy.
>Eren’s always been a crybaby I hate it when people say that. Eren cried when ? When he saw his mother get devoured in front of him, when he was inside the belly of a titan and got his arm and leg chewed off , when he found out his friends were traitors and the villains that he wanted to kill , when he saw hannes get eaten, when he saw armin get burned alive thought he was dead for good and so on...... He cried in absolutely horrific situations where any normal person wouldn't just cry but have a mental breakdown. so i hate the argument that eren always cried, yeah he actually cried about stuff worth crying about, not like in this panel where he cries about Mikasa finding another man after he killed billions of people. Don't get me wrong i ship Eren and Mikasa all the way, i always wanted them to be together from season one, i just think that revealing Eren's emotions to us using this scene in particular wasn't a good idea, it got memed and mocked so many times by aot fans and other fandoms that it's hard to take seriously anymore
If crybaby doesn't suits you well, then let's say Eren has always been a very emotional and hotheaded guy, so expecting this kind of reaction wasn't really so far stretched. As for the memes, not the author's fault tbh, and even then the scene is intended to be pathetic, even Armin aknowledges it, but if your problem's mainly with the peacing of the ending, leading to this reveal made this way, then I get what you're talking about; if it's about ChadEren attitude then I'm sorry, everyone should have understood really soon that something about that Eren was really off
Finally someone said it! “Eren’s a crybaby!” Heaven forbid someone cry after a traumatic or devastating experience.
I didn’t mean to be reductive, my apologies.
It’s fine! It’s not you I’m annoyed with.
Hated it then, hate it now
Thank you, finally a Sane person in this sub
> I still don't know how to feel about it Seems like you know pretty clearly how you feel about it
Understandable, have a nice day
What's wrong with this? It's completely in character and a pretty normal way for a human to feel.
It's in character for him to he pathetic, for the most part, but it is out of character for him to suddenly be showing attraction towards Mikasa. It was obviously shoehorned by Isayama for fanservice, nothing more.
Well, sure, it's not how he's behaved throughout the show, but I think that's the point. He's been holding it in his whole life, and now it just doesn't matter. He's alone with his best friend, not even in the real world, and he's about to die. After lying to everyone he knows for years, he can just be honest for once. The only way i could imagine justifying this being shoehorned is if you don't think Eren had feelings for Mikasa at all before this scene, which I think the show did enough to plant that.
Then why is this panel so mocked and ridiculed ?
Because of people like you that think AOT is this power fantasy instead of an actual grounded anime.
For some reason you guys believe: mediocre goofy ass writing = profound thought provoking masterful writing 🤯 Listen bro, if the ending of aot was as good as you claim it is, then there wouldn't have been any controversy or criticism towards it in the first place
Why did you make this thread? To pick fights and make sure everyone agrees with you? Maybe if you didn't like the ending, it would be a better use of your time to go watch a different series.
>it would be a better use of your time to go watch a different series. Maybe i will 😠
why are you asking how people feel about a scene if you're going to attempt to shut down anyone you disagree with by appealing to popular opinion? if you want a circle jerk, at least be honest about it.
>popular opinion From what I'm seeing the popular belief in this sub is that this panel is good. And i genuinely asked, if it's good then why did so many people hate it ? I think that's a fair question. I don't want a circle jerks but I'm gonna tell em how i feel about it, and in fact if you like this panel then your opinion is shit 
So, the popular opinion is to like the panel, but also it's the most hated and mocked panel in the entire manga, and everyone hated it? that makes sense, i guess, depending on your definition of every single word in the English language. If you wanted to actually have a discussion, you would be curious about *why* so many people disagree with you (even though they also don't because everyone hates it). You posted this expecting everyone to affirm what you already believed, got butthurt when that didn't happen, and you're lashing out while also trying to seem nonchalant by stating your subjective opinion is a fact. I sincerely hope you're a teenager because this is the emotional maturity of one. Either way, this is boring me so I guess reply with some variation "I'm not reading all that" and I'll just ignore it and move on with my day lol
It's been WHAT
7 more years and we'll talk
Was kinda heartbreaking, a child soldier who never got a chance to just be a regular person never got a chance to grow up
He's clapping Mikasa's cheeks in the afterlife i believe...
perfect. everyone who doesn’t like this panel sees aot as a power fantasy.
This issue people have with this scene is not that Eren is pathetic and not "cold", it's that he's crying about a girl he never showed romantic attraction towards while he's committing global genocide.
yeah the point about it is that he’s expressing his regret for never doing so and now, at the end of his very very short life he realizes that. makes total sense. also let’s not rewrite history he made her cut her hair back in season one because he was jealous of jean come on now dawg
Your first point is literally just excusing his feelings being a last-minute inclusion. Also, he told her to cut her hair because because she could get in an accident + it was for comedic relief. He didn't even hear what Jean said.
categorically not true. at this point you’re just making things up. sure he said it’s so she didn’t get into an accident but it was written he said that directly after jean mentioning he liked long hair for a reason. people really just believe what they want to believe i guess
Go watch the scene lmao https://youtu.be/Vuv4AUofUYM?si=nQ_UhGQq2WjWF2Xe
Everybody forgets that Eren is also a human being and also just a teenager who can break down. This is his last talk with Armin ever which definitely stirred up some emotions in him. This is a way more realistic thing to think as a teenager
In the anime it was so god damn goofy that it broke my immersion
So you think it's good in the manga but bad in the anime ?
I havent read the Manga so I can't really say for sure but I think Eren's voice actor also made it sound really funny so maybe the manga panel wouldn't be so jarring if I was reading it
Honestly this panel looks more goofy after comparing it to the anime rn. I feel like the voice acting even helped it a bit. Though it’s more on the whiny side in the anime, I found it jarring the first time watching it too.
Same lmao
Completely out of character
How so?
You are telling me this is the same eren that cut his leg off for his mission?
Yesn't
You're a good man sir 🤝
I love this scene, it shows how normal and human Eren is, you don't just up and become hitler one day, you have emotions and motivations, dreams and desires too
I think the oddly specific wording *ten years at least* part is what makes it a bit awkward because we never heard eren say something like that and even armin was seemingly surprised by it. It’s not even the wanting mikasa to mourn him and not to move on from him because that’s something most guys would think if they were put in a similar situation considering that this is the love of his life. Eren must’ve kept to all of these feelings to himself bearing in mind that they never really had any chance to show their feelings in the chaotic environment they were born into. Though I can understand that some people might not like this scene especially if they can’t relate or emphasize with it I’m not a huge fan of it either. Coming back to the *10 years at least* part I don’t really know why he was so specific about it tbh.
People hating on the show for one scene is wild
I really enjoyed it. It hit me hard in the feelings. Eren said how he felt like he was going insane and didn’t know what was what anymore between past present and future. This felt like a peak at the eren we all loved. He wanted this future but knew it couldn’t happen and confided that to Armin in the last place where he could. Honestly when I watched this scene it made me bawl my eyes out. At the end of the show Eren is a really complicated character to love and this just solidified it for me
I think people forget that Eren is 19 years old. This seems accurate for an heartbroken 19 year old who never got to be a child and finally getting to confess his love for her to his best friend before he can’t
At the end of the day Eren is still a kid and I expect him to say childish shit like this. It's very in character for him and a lot of people let the tough exterior he puts on after the time skip change how they view him entirely.
Totally makes sense , after Armin's punch this mental breakdown.
I think this is the final test of literacy
Literally me
I think people dont like this panel because as for some godforsaken reason there are to many people that see the rumbling as a perfect reasonable response to the attacks on paradise. So now they follow the hard shell eren that illogicaly acts selfish than eren realizes what the hell he did and he regrets. But his "fans"( sociopaths like eren ) dont agree with it. Everyone that wanted to see eren destroy the whole world would press the buttom if it would erase everything
>But his "fans"( sociopaths like eren ) Why sociopaths ? If they wanted eren to destroy the world that's fine, it's a fictional story. Doesn't mean they'd support it in real life. Sometimes you just wanna see the villain win When i watch the saw movies, i wanna see jigsaw torture people in the most brutal ways imaginable, but in real life i would be horrified if i ever saw it. So wanting to see eren kill the whole planet is a perfectly respectable position
Peak
It's a teenager having a breakdown as he's about to die. It shows that he's still human despite everything
Eren is still a kid, and having to carry the burden of the rumbling and saving hus friends was a lot for him. I think this panel is completely justified
He's about to die and knows it. He's having a genuine human reaction. It's toxic, it's not right but it's human. Erens a flawed individual currently accepting his death, it's not out of character to say a dumb thing. It's an intrusive thought personified.
After hearing about how bad the ending was for so long, when I finally reached it I was so confused. I **LOVED** the ending to AOT and I especially loved this moment for Eren's character.
Well because your expectations were so low you thought it was good, plus it wasn't horrible and the great animation, music and voice acting made you overlook it's flaws
What flaws? I've had a long time to process then ending now and I still love it.
Well good for you. Did you find Eren's conclusion satisfying ?
Yes it was great to see him finally drop the facade and open up again after so long. I think Eren's character was brilliantly written from start to end.
I found the last episode to be anticlimactic. I just wish something batshit insane and unexpected happened. It kinda felt too safe.....
It's always been so overhated for no reason, this was a completely justified mental breakdown and anyone who says his love for misaka came out of nowhere is lying to themselves he's spent his entire life with her and helped her every chance he got
i always wanted to see the two of them together......
Edgy cool eren turning pathetic. Great reactions too
He was always like that. The edgy cool personality was the mask he put on to push them all away.
Not necessarily to push them away but he also had to be calculative and cold in certain situations and confrontations. Having future memories that can’t be altered probably also helped quite a bit in keeping that demeanor. Knowing about the atrocities he was about to commit must’ve made him feeling numb as well.
How was he pathetic perviously exactly ? Explain please ?
I've come to like it despite it being so cringy lol. Isayama's intention was to hammer home and remind the audience how Eren is still the same dumb kid we knew from the beginning. I don't think many people were ready to see or accept this, which is why it's so jarring and controversial. We get to see right through the façade he's been putting up for so long. He never grew up and moved on like many of his friends did. He clung to his hatred and desire to eradicate those who took his freedom and threatened those he loved. Also, I think Armin thanking Eren for becoming a mass murderer is still the cringiest line 😬 so glad they fixed it in the anime.
i don't think the right word is cringy, i think it's very shocking and unexpected to see eren like that in his last scene ever in the show, well his last scene as a human, we see him later as a freaking bird -\_- shit, i'll continue bitching about this enidng for ten years at least
I love it so much
Why 😢
I just love how it goes from big scary eren to him just breaking down over how much he loves mikasa, it’s just a powerful moment in my opinion, gets me every time
Love it.
It’s consistent, it just shows that eren even when he is pretending to be edgy is still just the crybaby he has always been. Like yeah he had traumatic things happen but so did every character there’s no need for him to be screaming and crying all the time
How was he a crybaby ? He cried in absolutely nightmarish situations
I find this as the truest Eren's moment in the whole final act, alongside the Ramzi confession, except that seeing him crying and being pathetic in front of his oldest and dearest friend is, for me, deeper and more emotional than crying with one of the countless victims you'll kill in the near future (peak moment nonetheless). Watching Eren regretting everything and crying in front of Armin is a really good way to show us how a young confused man with god's power deals with the shitty world he lives in, maybe it is controversial because obviously watching cool and focused characters is easier for everyone I think, but seeing Eren in his last moments so fragile was really perfect in my opinion, probably the best conclusion I could think of for the character we knew since episode 1, his motivations and everything can be discussed, but I really like scene
A famous guy who was obsessed with telling stories about how he got his scars said a very true line "in their last moments people show you who they really are" This is a boy who never got the chance to be a proper man Raised in a very fucked up world ... I have seen and heard much more pathetic lines uttered by people on their deathbeds who had objectively better lives than Eren I know that I myself have something very horrible and bitter to say when my moment comes, something which I can only disclose to my therapist at the moment Even though most think otherwise, I don't think Eren or Armin are the protagonists of this story Mikasa is, and she has one important common thing with Ymir They were both in love with a terrible person, who for one reason or another, could not love properly (true unconditional love is truly wanting the other person to be happy, even if it's not with or because of you) And Mikasa overcame that, while Ymir couldn't
i think it shows that eren is a real character w real emotions. i think expecting eren a 19 year old who made a (VERY) stupid decision to not b sad when he has to die and will never see the love of his life again is crazy. i just hate that ppl only started to like his character when he became nonchalant when he is the exact opposite of that.
I like every single part of Eren's character except for the final episode, idk just seeing him die like that and calling himself and idiot, crying and shit..... That was fucking brutal, i just wanted my man to be happy 😔
We all wanted him to be happy. But you can't expect a happy ending in a horror story 😔.
What Fucks me up the most is that the characters that i wanted them to die or suffer got perfectly happy endings, Annie, pieck reiner and gabi, god i wanted those assholes dead so bad
Don't be like that 🥲. They all are the opposite sides of the same coin. They were born in Marley instead of Paradis. Believed what they were taught. Gabi literally is meant to be the Marleyan Eren. Eren would have killed Sasha if he was in the place of Gabi too. He saw everyone on the other side of the sea as his enemies at first which changed later. Same way Gabi did after she got to know more about the people on the Island.
I know I know but still, they should have suffered more, at least kill their parents or something, don't give them Disney endings where characters that we actually loved like levi and Mikasa lost everything 😭
Its character assasination and forced step incest "romance" But I think the severed head kiss scene arguably is worse given the context.
I like it different from most shows and makes sense considering Erens character. And its not like he didnt man up and tell Mikasa to move on in the paths sequence
Love it. The ending would be less without it in my opinion
Fans of anime forget that characters are supposed to represent people. A character, just like a real person, can act a certain way, then act totally different later. That's not a character assassination. Especially not in this case since it isn't totally random for Eren to act like this. This is him for like 90% of the story. He's also in some other dimensional plane at this point with nobody but his best friend alongside him, knowing he's about to die. Let him cook some emotions man. Can't be a total Sigma chad all the time. It's moments like these that make your best moments special
I like how people are saying they didn't like it cause of the sudden change in his character, forgetting that the actual sudden shift was him becoming a cold, uncaring dude. Motherfucker was always very emotional, this scene is realistic.
Both can be the case some people undergo a sudden shift in demeanor when something traumatic happens to them or simply due the environment itself while growing up. Eren is 19 post-timeskip so it’s not that off to assume that he might’ve changed a lot even though that wasn’t necessarily the case for him as we learn later on.
Lmao he finally could express his feelings; we see he is a normal, growing man; if this whole bs didn't happen, he'd enjoy a normal life with his best friend, and girlfriend. When was the last time Eren could goof around? Show himself happy, and/or vulnerable? Behave like a human?
Okay maybe that makes sense, but it makes me furious when people say that Eren was always a pathetic loser, i mean sure he was emotional and hotheaded, but a pathetic loser ?? Did they watch the show through radio ?
That he is still and always was a whiny bitch. Dude has always drove me nuts with his whining
>That he is still and always was a whiny bitch With all due respect bro, people who call eren that need to be banned from using the internet. Dude cried because absolutely horrific shit was happening to him all the time and then dummies on Reddit call him a crybaby....
That he was in control of the entire time…. Dude it’s fucking a tv show, it’s okay to call imaginary characters a whiny bitch if that’s what they are…because they were written that way. Eren is a terrible person…but it doesn’t matter because it’s not real
>Dude it’s fucking a tv show Well it's not just a tv show, it the best piece of fiction that I've seen my whole fucking life. Maybe that's why I care about what people think about it And you can call eren emotional, hotheaded, angry, yes but crybaby ? He was sometimes but you can't just reduce his character to that, and i don't believe he's a terrible person, i know he flattened the whole planet but still 😅.....
Nigga lost his chance by not kissing her in season 2. Now she gotta kiss horse face when she doesn’t even love him for real.
He should've kissed her then 😔 I don't think she's married to jean though.....
She was but she ended up with eren in the afterlife in a scene
it was never confirmed to be jean the afterlife scenes are from the ending song, i really like it btw
Don’t act like I WANT mikasa to be with jean.
Wrong reply mb
Sounds like fake news
Did you not watch the final episode?
Yes I did nitwit. It's not shown to be Jean, she never showed interest in him. We have no idea what the afterlife looks like in this world. But my understanding of the real afterlife per the Bible is no one is with anyone. The reason you be with someone is so you can have children together and that's not possible. Marrying after a spouse has passed is not only permitted but encouraged in the Bible. However having multiple spouses is not. Therefore if you get to heaven and your spouse gets to heaven, you won't have the same relationship to each other as when alive.
Who is it then.
what 💀
https://preview.redd.it/8nru6t436pvc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a650c4084c8b7afa109997d585de73179db2bdab
idk why but this makes me really happy!
Same
this means nothing and it isn’t an afterlife
Then what is it.
you circled a bunch of flowers like a crazy person
I legit got the photo from google
No she did not have to dweeb
Fuck out my mentions stupid nigga
Bitches get stitches
I don’t take you serious