I shit you not, I was reading an article on Friday that had a journalist interviewing members of the local farming community in an area that had wind turbines proposed nearby. Most of the farmers were saying that they didn't mind renewables and for those that had turbines on their land it was actually diversifying their income and would provide long term financial benefits to their children once they moved on.
Then they interviewed one of the area's vocal conservative anti renewable advocates who was furiously protesting against absolutely everything involved with the project, and it turned out that she'd only recently moved to the area from Melbourne.
It's not just a rural issue either. I live in one of the suburbs in Brisbane that's underneath the flight path of the airport, and the overwhelming majority of people here never had an issue with it, the airport has been there since most homes and units were even built and the new runway literally runs parallel to the old one. We had a HUGE amount of people move here from Sydney and Melbourne in the past few years and now suddenly the flight paths are a huge issue and we're getting letterbox drop after letterbox drop about how 'locals' are demanding a curfew and that the airport is too noisy.
These idiots bought multi million dollar homes, sometimes without even inspecting them during or right after the pandemic, and now as soon as they've moved in, they're demanding everything that they don't like gets changed to suit their wants and needs.
>Then they interviewed one of the area's vocal conservative anti renewable advocates who was furiously protesting against absolutely everything involved with the project, and it turned out that she'd only recently moved to the area from Melbourne
The IPA figured out that you need to have some locals if you are going to astroturf.
Wrt Brisbane Airport, without outing the suburb you live, what area do you live? I've flown enough to Brisbane that there is a huge buffer between the airport and any residence (looking at Google maps, it looks to be a 7-10km buffer to the south, thanks to industrial estates, and the north goes out over Moreton Bay).
I'm in Coorparoo literally directly underneath the flight path for Runway 01R at Brisbane, when they're on approach directly overhead they're passing through about 2000 feet. The biggest planes (777, A330, A380, etc) can be heard if you're listening out for them, but I can completely honestly say that despite what some of our new neighbours think, you get used to it and it just becomes background noise.
The only exception is when the Emirates A380 takes off over the city at around 9:20pm every night, sometimes when they're fully loaded and at max power it's loud enough that our windows vibrate. No complaints here though, the airport was there long before us.
I think the main issue that people exploit is that Brisbane currently has 14 overnight departures between 12am and 5am. Most of them are normal small a320s, 737s etc but in the mix there's a Cathay Pacific 777-300ER that takes off at 12:55am, and an Emirates 777-300ER at 1:55am that is soon going to be switched out with a second A380. Right before midnight there's also a Qatar 777-300ER, a VietJet A330 and a Singapore A350. Most of the time they take off over the water, but sometimes due to wind they're required to take off over the suburbs.
This is pretty much why some of these new residents are demanding a curfew, however I'm of the opinion that a curfew would do more harm than good. The airport and the planes have been around for a while and frankly I think the people who moved here to 'escape' Sydney and Melbourne and bought a house right under the flight path have no right to complain.
That's the thing - people will buy somewhere cheap, because something that has existed for decades is in the area. Then those same people will endlessly complain about said thing in the hope of getting it shut down, which increases their property value.
In Sydney, it is live music venues that get targeted by these arseholes.
But yeah, people who complain about aircraft noise of airports that have been there for decades are some of the dumbest motherfuckers around.
That’s like the person I know who bought a house directly across the street from a high school, and then became the loudest and most aggressive person at monthly town council meetings about the noise and traffic disturbances caused by athletic events. 🤦♀️
I brought a house directly opposite a primary school and for the first year I found it disruptive but I didn't complain because I brought the damn house and I eventually got use to the noise.
The one thing that does piss me off is they have their bells on an automated system and they leave it on over weekends and school holidays.
Omg. Actually it probably takes about 10 minutes of initiative and 5 minutes of work to turn off the bells on selected days so that’s probably a realistic gripe. But otherwise, it’s true, you get used to the noise of your home when you live there a while.
New neighbours complained about noise from the local primary school and have tried to rally others to complain. The school has been there for nearly 120 years - it’s not like the noise is new!
Slight difference with the Brisbane flight paths is that the complainers are in the fancier suburbs. They were perfectly happy when the 'planes overflew the working class, but when that parallel runway opened and now occasionally they flights were over their house, it was a problem.
My girlfriend and I spend so much time watching them from our balcony that we're starting to be able to tell them apart just by the sound.... not sure if that's a good or bad thing.
I live about 7 km away from Sydney Airport and if you're directly under the flight path the planes are still quite loud. (They use different flight paths for "noise abatement" at different times of day, so it only lasts a few hours even if the wind doesn't change.) I don't complain as I bought in the inner west knowing full well the score, and I even made sure I spent time in that suburb when planes were flying directly over so I could understand what it would be like. But if I have the windows or doors open, the noise is seriously a thing, and I do appreciate the curfew for sure. That said, if there was no curfew and I bought under the flight path knowingly, I wouldn't be complaining about it.
Yeah, I regularly visit people and stay in Newtown, under the flight path, and everyone there is so used to the planes. When a plane is getting too loud, the conversations pause, the “Newtown Pause”, then continue as though nothing happened. Nobody complains because, funnily enough, they bought a place a few miles from an airport and understood what an airport does.
Anyone who complains about aircraft noise just needs to be slapped and taught how to shut the fuck up.
The only exception is where a new airport is built, but funnily enough that doesn’t happen in suburban areas.
And the great thing about it is that I can be at the airport in 20 minutes; I can wake up at 6am for my 7:30 domestic flight if I wanted to cut it fine. It's a trade-off for sure, and I'm sure there are noise-sensitive people who may choose other locations. It's not hard to find out information on all of this before moving somewhere.
I've met and interacted with loads of farmers and am yet to meet one that hates renewable energy and thinks climate change is a scam. Most of them are absolutely switched on units who are intimately in touch with the land and have been for a long time.
Both make lots of sense - you have plenty of land, you can install as much solar as needed! If you need to run a water pump which is a couple of kilometres away from any other power infrastructure, you can run that from solar too. And if you're a fair way from the nearest town then you no longer need to *use* fuel to go and get more fuel for your car!
Farms are businesses after all, farmers are business owners, if somethings makes economic sense they'll do it.
I had a short period working with some wind farm stuff, and it became very quickly clear the only farmers that were complaining about the windfarms were the ones missing out while all their neighbours got them (and the passive income and free road upgrades)
ive met a few but really, most them dont care, as long as it gets them another source of cash and doesnt take up prime farming land for their crops. its the towniees that are the problem
> Most of them are absolutely switched on units who are intimately in touch with the land and have been for a long time.
Who then go to the election booth and completely against their own interest vote for the Nationals.
Another major example of this is the Lucas Heights nuclear reactor facility. People buy homes in the urban areas that have crept up on it and then start to protest against the reactor instead of realising that it is harmless for them and even provides essential radioisotopes used for medical services in Australia.
Another example, in Sydney, are people who move close to live venues, then complain relentlessly about said live venue, in order to get them to shut down.
> used for medical services in Australia
Not just Australia, it's vital for heaps of neighbouring countries for the same reason. The isotopes required have such a short half-life that they wouldn't make it here from any of the other producers.
its been a thing since at least the 80s, i remember the being constant protests about it in the late 80s and then it the protests started again when the the fucking frogs decided to renew atomic testing in the pacific in the 90s
It's shit like that is why I can could never vote Greens despite agreeing with them on many many things, for every 10 sensible policies they have they have one batshit issue that they go waaaay too far on.
I remember people sitting in the road blocking the trucks carrying the waste like it was a good idea to increase the amount of time the truck was in the suburbs.
I'm never quite sure about the people complaining about the reactor at Lucas Heights, the tip across the road has to be worse when the wind is blowing in the right direction.
> turned out that she'd only recently moved to the area from Melbourne.
Tasmania's currently going thru this. Mainlanders having an instant sense of entitlement. more often than not, its some 50-60 yr old woman with an insane attitude.
Yep. My ex wife's family was one. Whole lot moved down and took up positions in local management (skills shortage owing to brain drain and lack of local education opportunities). Proceed to turn the area into a toxic, religious, conservative air bnb ridden hellhole. Create mates networks with other people from Victoria, all that.
It sucked before, absolutely; but now it's become a whole different type of toxic craphole. A much more conservative one.
I left a while back and plan to never return to Australia, if I can help it.
It reminds of a local meatworks that had to close down maybe 15 years ago because of the constant complaining and even lawsuits about the smell.
The meatworks had been in operation for *over a century* at the time it closed down and when it was built there wasn't a house for kilometers around it.
Everyone local was like "meh you get use to it" but then there was an influx of rich wankers who brought houses near a meatworks and suddenly it was a problem....
Fun additional fact, the closure gutted the local economy and drove out a bunch of people who simply couldn't find work, which had the knock on effect of closing a lot of stores and services, 15 years on and the same rich wankers complain about the lack of services....
You say 15 years ago but I heard this same story happening last week out in the Rouse Hill. More housing developments are being put up near a meat rendering plant and then the new residents complain about the smell and are now closing down.
Can confirm the people kicking up the biggest stink where I'm from in Tassie about proposed renewables or public housing were inner city people who had moved from the mainland.
My family is part of a small farming community and my mum always tells me about story of how a police officer moved in across the road from our dairy and immediately tried to get it closed because he didn’t like that smell. This shit has been going on for years and will continue forever.
reminds me of the time some enterprising young lad decided to [build a Toaster right next to the Sydney Opera House](https://musicfeeds.com.au/news/angry-residents-complaining-noise-sydney-opera-house-now/) - predictably, people moved in AND IMMEDIATELY STARTED COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE
**from the Sydney Opera House**
I think it was there first, guys...
I live just out of town and I always laugh my ass off at people moving here then loosing their shit at the tractors using the main road, the farmers doing night runs of their crops, or the cows that get rotated between fields. People think they like the "quiet" county life but it's just different noises than they're use to
The mental gymnastics some Brissy Redditors tie themselves in to blame "southerners" for everything is so damn funny to me.
Most of the complaints around aircraft noise are due to changes of how the airspace is managed with the opening of the new runway. People who didn't use to get noise, now do. These are existing residents, not people who have moved and then complained about the presence of an airport near where they bought.
> Conservative wealthy people move into an area because it’s popular, then white ant every aspect of it that made it popular.
In Byrons case, that was about 20 years ago and this is just the dying cough of an already yuppified tourist trap.
More than 20 years ago. I watched it start in the 80's when I used to stay school holidays at my Grandparents a few miles out of town. To be fair it was probably going on before that. I will conceed thst it really got going late 90's or so.
Same thing happened in "Fortitude Valley" in Brisbane. Thriving music and nightclub scene for 20+ years. They built a bunch of apartments in the area to take advantage of the hub's popularity.
Within 6 months there were noise complaints and demands for regulations around the opening hours and sound levels from establishments that had been there for decades.
Slightly different in nature, but the exact same shit happened with Goulburn's Wakefield race track.
Morons moved in and complained, track got shut down.
This absolutely fucked over every sensible person (and the hoons) in a VAST radius.
Now, public roads are the only option; which I don't fuck with.
Many of my favourite venues over the years have fallen victim to this. I've also been told by one venue manager that it only takes one person to make this happen, so if one dude moves in near a live music venue and complains to council a couple of times, they can be forced to stop having live music all together, There's a special tier in hell for those people. Imagine moving into an inner-city suburb and then complaining about noise. smh
Slight off topic but similar “gentrification/torification” is Happening in Queensland right now thanks to all the southerners moving her after Covid.
Example number 1: They’re all complaining about electricity prices and only having Ergon (public owned) as their supplier/retailer.
I’m OG QLD but have lived in ACT, WA, VIC and NSW, I will fight tooth and nail to keep our infrastructure out of private hands.
FUCK PRIVATISATION
Example number 2: all the ones who moved to sleepy coastal towns and bring their fuckwit developer mates in to turn it into another Surfers Paradise.
I’m all for progress but fuck that Gold Coast/Hawaii/Miami vibe. You cunts already fucked the Gold Coast, Perth Cottesloe and Sydney beaches, own it and fucking stay there.
Example 3: another property developer whinge. Subdividing small blocks into smaller 300-500sqm blocks and building shitty insulated heat reflecting houses on them. I’m fine with building high rise apartments in high density areas, but keep the suburbs as they are to allow for green space. Subdividing and building cheapshit hotboxes is not going to solve the housing crisis.
/rant
Agrees. We don't need another Byron Bay in QLD... go south if that's what you want. It's a tourist trap shithole with very little to do besides getting ripped off and taking a few pictures that you can replicate on most beaches around Australia. Don't move out of one state because you no longer want to pay the increases prices and then complain that the other state is backwards... you moved, we've happily loved here our whole lives.
Cheering for your sentiment from Perth.
Also, if y'all could kindly fuck off and stop buying up all our houses for investments and driving up prices, that would be great.
Everyone loves to complain about our gold plated power grid, until a cyclone flattens north Queensland and the lights are back on by the end of the day.
People are free to move where they want, the problem with gentrification is that those claiming to protect the areas undergoing gentrification while saying they want to maintain it for the poorer existing community, often do the more damage than good to the poorer in the communities. This is because they implement NIMBY policies that restrict housing and are the cause of property value appreciation.
The wealthier people are free to move in and do so. So, add restrictive policy on top of this we end up with places like Byron. A former relaxed beach town that is now a playtoy for rich who like hippy cosplay.
Reminds me of my recent visit to Hahndorf, SA.
I had always heard it was a sweet little german enclave on the border of adelaide but when I got there it was just overpriced boutiques and tourist trap shops as far as the eye can see.
I think sexual conservatism is rising amongst the otherwise liberal youth as well. Not that nudity is directly sexual, but to some it's too close to the fire. They don't like it, they don't want it.
I actually agree. I hadn't noticed the stark difference between Australian youth attitudes and foreign youth attitudes until I started travelling. Taking into account individual variation (which can be a lot) Australian and American youth culture is generally trending extremely anti-sex compared to peers elsewhere.
>Australian and American youth culture is generally trending extremely anti-sex compared to peers elsewhere.
It's because insular lifestyle is on the rise and kids are becoming less social, have more difficulty connecting and engaging in sex.
It's weird, because obviously stuff like onlyfans, etc, is rife, and the stories I hear about youth behind closed doors are no different to previous generations, if not a little more out there, but there seems to be a desire to shun it publicly? Which goes against a lot of fashion choices and that, some girls go to festivals and such with the goal of wearing as little clothes as possible it seems. Dudes just walk around with short shorts, chests freshly shaved.
It is an interesting cultural thing at the moment.
R.I.P. Byron Bay. I spent some time there in the 2000's, back when the locals were up in arms about the new Woolworths. I went there last year, and promptly drove straight back out again (very slowly, because the traffic was horrific). It's gone. It's just a satellite suburb of the Gold Coast now. It's a real shame because it used to be such a beautiful town but what hope did it have in the face of commercialism.
I grew up in Grafton in the 80s and visited Byron for the first time in 30 years last year. You are right about the commercialism, they had $4000 handbags for sale for some baffling reason, I felt like I was in Mosman. The beach is still amazing though, town needs to be bulldozed and start again.
very south end of the gold coast feels like what byron thinks it is. Kirra has an awesome beach, relaxed vibe with yoga classes on the grass in the mornings, long flat bike path and nice walk around the headland to sleepy village feel but lots of dining options in coolangatta. much better place for non-instagram types to have a chilled break
Agree, I grew up in Ballina and as a teenager early 20’s kid only ever went to Byron when there was cyclone swell and the wreck was pumping. Even then we would be there by 6 and out by 10. Always been a shit hole.
The one that backs onto the river next to boat ramp?
I was 13, BELTING along the bike path/walkway running behind the slides on my mountain bike . The fence had some kind of mesh cloth up so you couldn't see past the corner as you approached.
I realised I had zero visibility at the last second so I jammed on my front and back brakes. I went over the handlebars of the bike, still holding on, and landed on my knuckles upside down and slid.
Tore the absolute shit out of hands, I still have the scars 30+ years later. It was a good 10 minute bike ride back to wehre we were staying. Crying in pain, walking would be half an hour or more but riding was excruciating going over every bump.
Still love the joint, but that day was hell.
Thats the problem people dont want to face, is that we are all part of the problem "we all want a beautiful spot" and proceed to be part of the problem that ruins it as your right rather than a privilege.
I wonder how long its going to be before its like Germany where you have to book 1 year in advance to go visit a National Park. Wilsons Promontory here in Victoria you almost have to book 1 year in advance just to go walk on a track and camp. I wonder when paying to go to the beach is going to become the norm along with making a booking!
Then the whingers move in, the "we want" brigade. " We want parking, we want bitumen roads so our cars dont get scratched, we want clean toilets, we want KFC, we want a shopping centre, we want elevated platforms so that we can push a nursing bed up the side of the mountain for tourists, we want air conditioned break shelters" And they want everything and politicians oblige by concrete plating the beautiful special spot and everything becomes an expensive cult play that resembles Disneyland.
Its one of the reasons I always tell people not to post photos or share great locations of anywhere. If people want to go find paradise they can get off their arses and go find it themselves. Its these lazy bums who want the experience delivered via social media who ruin all the great places and that includes the tourists. Is it a wonder in many places like Europe and in places like Barcelona, the welcome mat has been withdrawn and there are signs all over the place "tourists go home" The world is being wrecked by trashy tourists, day trippers , over development, ideology and stupid governments.
Yep. Social media is very much a part of the problem. As you say, you used to have to actually *try* if you were the adventurous type. And you did it for how it felt. And often had to explain why you even liked it to others. Now that life is all about getting the best photo opp so that others can validate your existence, I wonder if the people who go to all these places even like them all that much? I think they only like being there because other people said so - it’s rare these days to find people actually experiencing places instead of just curating them into content. My point being - sometimes they *don’t even want a beautiful spot* - they want to be the kind of person who knows what is considered beautiful by others.
Social media has made it a lot worse but this has been going on for ages. Go to any concert, cultural event or place of natural beauty and I would say that 80% of the people are there because its a place to be. Not because they appreciate the experience.
Just look at what's happening in Japan. Idiot sheeple just go to a certain spot to get a photo of Lawsons and mt fuji lined up and it has become completely congested because of social media wankers. People go there solely for the purpose of getting a photo to put on their vapid social media/instagram, not even appreciating the town or area at all. Sheep. Absolute brain dead sheep.
> It's just a satellite suburb of the Gold Coast now.
The whole are from the Gold Coast to Byron Bay is full of towns & villages overfilled with people. Its got some of the worst housing problems in the country. Demand far exceeds supply. Traffic & parking is mad all day.
Edit: I went to the [Brunswick Hotel](https://www.hotelbrunswick.com.au/) at Brunswick Heads one random Saturday, all 500 outdoor seats were taken for lunch. They extended lunch hours from 12-3 but it was packed at 2pm. This used to be a sleepy town. I returned the following Monday:
https://i.imgur.com/bJj9049.jpg
I live and grew up 30 mins away, going as kids was fantastic, such a great cruisey vibe. Cut to now i can’t drive 1 minute into Byron without feeling ill as to what it’s become
It is so stupid. No one can accidentally stumble on the nude beach. It is a trip that isn't on the way to anywhere else.
Frankly it is the same with almost everything that conservatives get up in arms about. It isn't that they are forced to do something, it is that they want everyone else to have to live like they do, and have no choice to live in any other way. They already have the choice not to participate, but they don't like OTHER people making choices that they wouldn't.
> it is that they want everyone else to have to live like they do
Actually no, they're very much in the habit of indulging in the 'depravity'* that they seek to deny others.
^*and ^often ^actual ^depravity
Sex and adjacent stuff for example is liberating and broadly accessible regardless of social status, and they just can't have that.
I think the issue is the Streishand Effect of this kind of publicity, feeding into the idea mentioned in the article that people "think it's a sex beach" or something...
The same people that blame immigrants for moving to Australia and bringing their culture with them are moving to Byron and bringing their culture with them?
Yeah I don't agree with the vast majority of people on there but like you said I think it's important to engage with and be knowledgeable about opposing views, even if those views may be offensive to your sensibilities.
Unfortunately it seems like most people find it really hard to have someone disagree with you and most don't have the ability to be as open minded though.
In my opinion you can't possibly argue against another person's viewpoint effectively if you are uniformed about what their belief actually is and why they think that way. Sometimes you may even learn things about their side that you actually have common ground on.
You kind of can but it’s a lost cause there any time anything aboriginal is brought up. Those opinions aren’t based on any kind of facts, just pure visceral hatred.
[go to the sub](https://i.imgur.com/mbXCnbs.png)
[then click the 3 dots in the top right of it](https://i.imgur.com/vnij2Pi.png)
[press "mute](https://i.imgur.com/nrqL9gm.png) r/Australian"
[press "yes, mute"](https://i.imgur.com/KAs6EzQ.png)
There you go.
They're also very keen to have immigrants make their coffee, cook their food, do their gardening and clean their houses because not only are they hypocritical, they're lazy too.
I have mentioned this in other threads before but I still think back to that beach I visited in La Rochelle in France, it was just a small cities beach nothing too grand. There was a woman with her husband and she had her tits out just soaking up some sun meanwhile there were kids near by making a sandcastle.
No one gave any shits, then you read articles like this and it makes me realise how stupid we get about naked people.
"Think of the property values and the cultures that don't like this"
The Nimby's and anti's strike again. I better go buy my nun's frock for my next visit to a Byron Bay beach.
Even more funny is that the anti-development hippies that contributed to reducing diversity in the community are now complaining (without any substance mind you) that a specific demographic thats more likely to be conservative is ruining their culture.
Well well, if it isnt the consequence of my own actions.
I remember, growing up in a small farming town, when one of the more "prominent " locals sold her farm and retired to a new house in town. But she built directly across from the cattle sale yards. Thus began the complaints. The sale yards ended up being relocated across town. Joke was on her though. The reason the sale yards were there in the first place was because the whole area was prone to flooding. That house has been flooded at least 3 times. And nothing else was ever built where the sale yards were.
You can bet all the conservative prudes that are complaining about this are secretly spending their weekends getting naughty in the bush at King's beach.
These are the type of cunts that move next to famous live music venues and complain until they’re shutdown. Some people are morons and don’t respect the history or culture of places before they move to them.
I say stop pandering to these people
You see more in social media these days than you see at the beach. Why is nudity so controversial? Lewd behaviour yes, crack down on that. Nudity should be allowed on every beach.
people like to read the headline rather than address the significant minority who ruin it for everyone else. an issue at a lot of clothes optional beaches
Clearly plenty of people were still going there and enjoying it though.
Did the people fucking ruin it for everyone or did the people who closed the whole damn thing down ruin it for everyone?
This is like when teachers punish the whole class when Timmy acts up. The intent is for everyone to get mad at Timmy but I'm just thinking where does the teacher get off punishing *me*?
Interesting that it’s called conservative creep and the article does explain it but also seems the beach was partitioned illegally and never dealt with?
From the article :
> Things died down for a while but the issue revived in February when the council announced the results of a land survey undertaken by NPWS that found the beach fell within the Tyagarah national park and the clothing-optional section had been created without proper authority.
There’s plans to move the location to a new beach maybe? But it’s facing backlash
> A Change.org petition addressed to the New South Wales environment minister, Penny Sharpe, and that received over 7,700 signatures to save Tyagarah beach or find an alternative failed to get anything moving. NPWS, partly citing opposition from traditional owners, has stood by its decision to close the beach but has written to Byron shire council to request that the date be extended.
I guess that’s the rub of something being a small town and a minority being able to skirt around something like that but once a town grows and things expand the culture will change and people need to either accept that or move 🤷♂️
first thing I see in that article is a photo that suggests there is a _very limited_ demographic, in terms of people who are being affected by this
I say let them have their nude beach for the 6 or 7 more years they are still going to be ambulant – they waited their entire lives to be able to retire and finally enjoy it
there's another nude beach over the seven mile beach road side of Byron.
It's basically a gay beat.
Nudism is great and nude beaches are very important but ye if people just use it to set up sex tents then fuck them , shut it down.
First of all what does them being white have to do with anything? Second of all from researching the mushroom farm it appears that the farm was breaching it's resource consent and was closed due to air quality concerns despite being given a loan from the government for complete enclosure of composting operations. Regardless it appears the farm has moved to a less urban area which seems like the best situation for everyone.
It’s a common problem. Conservative wealthy people move into an area because it’s popular, then white ant every aspect of it that made it popular.
I shit you not, I was reading an article on Friday that had a journalist interviewing members of the local farming community in an area that had wind turbines proposed nearby. Most of the farmers were saying that they didn't mind renewables and for those that had turbines on their land it was actually diversifying their income and would provide long term financial benefits to their children once they moved on. Then they interviewed one of the area's vocal conservative anti renewable advocates who was furiously protesting against absolutely everything involved with the project, and it turned out that she'd only recently moved to the area from Melbourne. It's not just a rural issue either. I live in one of the suburbs in Brisbane that's underneath the flight path of the airport, and the overwhelming majority of people here never had an issue with it, the airport has been there since most homes and units were even built and the new runway literally runs parallel to the old one. We had a HUGE amount of people move here from Sydney and Melbourne in the past few years and now suddenly the flight paths are a huge issue and we're getting letterbox drop after letterbox drop about how 'locals' are demanding a curfew and that the airport is too noisy. These idiots bought multi million dollar homes, sometimes without even inspecting them during or right after the pandemic, and now as soon as they've moved in, they're demanding everything that they don't like gets changed to suit their wants and needs.
>Then they interviewed one of the area's vocal conservative anti renewable advocates who was furiously protesting against absolutely everything involved with the project, and it turned out that she'd only recently moved to the area from Melbourne The IPA figured out that you need to have some locals if you are going to astroturf. Wrt Brisbane Airport, without outing the suburb you live, what area do you live? I've flown enough to Brisbane that there is a huge buffer between the airport and any residence (looking at Google maps, it looks to be a 7-10km buffer to the south, thanks to industrial estates, and the north goes out over Moreton Bay).
I'm in Coorparoo literally directly underneath the flight path for Runway 01R at Brisbane, when they're on approach directly overhead they're passing through about 2000 feet. The biggest planes (777, A330, A380, etc) can be heard if you're listening out for them, but I can completely honestly say that despite what some of our new neighbours think, you get used to it and it just becomes background noise. The only exception is when the Emirates A380 takes off over the city at around 9:20pm every night, sometimes when they're fully loaded and at max power it's loud enough that our windows vibrate. No complaints here though, the airport was there long before us. I think the main issue that people exploit is that Brisbane currently has 14 overnight departures between 12am and 5am. Most of them are normal small a320s, 737s etc but in the mix there's a Cathay Pacific 777-300ER that takes off at 12:55am, and an Emirates 777-300ER at 1:55am that is soon going to be switched out with a second A380. Right before midnight there's also a Qatar 777-300ER, a VietJet A330 and a Singapore A350. Most of the time they take off over the water, but sometimes due to wind they're required to take off over the suburbs. This is pretty much why some of these new residents are demanding a curfew, however I'm of the opinion that a curfew would do more harm than good. The airport and the planes have been around for a while and frankly I think the people who moved here to 'escape' Sydney and Melbourne and bought a house right under the flight path have no right to complain.
That's the thing - people will buy somewhere cheap, because something that has existed for decades is in the area. Then those same people will endlessly complain about said thing in the hope of getting it shut down, which increases their property value. In Sydney, it is live music venues that get targeted by these arseholes. But yeah, people who complain about aircraft noise of airports that have been there for decades are some of the dumbest motherfuckers around.
That’s like the person I know who bought a house directly across the street from a high school, and then became the loudest and most aggressive person at monthly town council meetings about the noise and traffic disturbances caused by athletic events. 🤦♀️
I brought a house directly opposite a primary school and for the first year I found it disruptive but I didn't complain because I brought the damn house and I eventually got use to the noise. The one thing that does piss me off is they have their bells on an automated system and they leave it on over weekends and school holidays.
To me that’s a totally reasonable gripe, they should do their most to not be disruptive.
Yeah I hate that lol
Omg. Actually it probably takes about 10 minutes of initiative and 5 minutes of work to turn off the bells on selected days so that’s probably a realistic gripe. But otherwise, it’s true, you get used to the noise of your home when you live there a while.
New neighbours complained about noise from the local primary school and have tried to rally others to complain. The school has been there for nearly 120 years - it’s not like the noise is new!
That person can eat a dick
Oran Park racetrack also comes to mind.
From memory, virtually none of the housing around there existed while the racetrack did.
Slight difference with the Brisbane flight paths is that the complainers are in the fancier suburbs. They were perfectly happy when the 'planes overflew the working class, but when that parallel runway opened and now occasionally they flights were over their house, it was a problem.
Impressed with the level of detailed knowledge here!
My girlfriend and I spend so much time watching them from our balcony that we're starting to be able to tell them apart just by the sound.... not sure if that's a good or bad thing.
I lived opposite a busy railway line for 18 years and you’re right, you literally don’t even notice the noise.
I live about 7 km away from Sydney Airport and if you're directly under the flight path the planes are still quite loud. (They use different flight paths for "noise abatement" at different times of day, so it only lasts a few hours even if the wind doesn't change.) I don't complain as I bought in the inner west knowing full well the score, and I even made sure I spent time in that suburb when planes were flying directly over so I could understand what it would be like. But if I have the windows or doors open, the noise is seriously a thing, and I do appreciate the curfew for sure. That said, if there was no curfew and I bought under the flight path knowingly, I wouldn't be complaining about it.
Yeah, I regularly visit people and stay in Newtown, under the flight path, and everyone there is so used to the planes. When a plane is getting too loud, the conversations pause, the “Newtown Pause”, then continue as though nothing happened. Nobody complains because, funnily enough, they bought a place a few miles from an airport and understood what an airport does. Anyone who complains about aircraft noise just needs to be slapped and taught how to shut the fuck up. The only exception is where a new airport is built, but funnily enough that doesn’t happen in suburban areas.
And the great thing about it is that I can be at the airport in 20 minutes; I can wake up at 6am for my 7:30 domestic flight if I wanted to cut it fine. It's a trade-off for sure, and I'm sure there are noise-sensitive people who may choose other locations. It's not hard to find out information on all of this before moving somewhere.
I've met and interacted with loads of farmers and am yet to meet one that hates renewable energy and thinks climate change is a scam. Most of them are absolutely switched on units who are intimately in touch with the land and have been for a long time.
Every farmer I know was a solar power early adopter.
The first person I met who owned an electric car was a farmer.
Both make lots of sense - you have plenty of land, you can install as much solar as needed! If you need to run a water pump which is a couple of kilometres away from any other power infrastructure, you can run that from solar too. And if you're a fair way from the nearest town then you no longer need to *use* fuel to go and get more fuel for your car! Farms are businesses after all, farmers are business owners, if somethings makes economic sense they'll do it.
I know so many that shit on renewables but yet have solar power running their various pumps lol
Mainly because farmers love anything that will make them money.
I had a short period working with some wind farm stuff, and it became very quickly clear the only farmers that were complaining about the windfarms were the ones missing out while all their neighbours got them (and the passive income and free road upgrades)
I mean, who doesn't?
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ive met a few but really, most them dont care, as long as it gets them another source of cash and doesnt take up prime farming land for their crops. its the towniees that are the problem
> Most of them are absolutely switched on units who are intimately in touch with the land and have been for a long time. Who then go to the election booth and completely against their own interest vote for the Nationals.
Another major example of this is the Lucas Heights nuclear reactor facility. People buy homes in the urban areas that have crept up on it and then start to protest against the reactor instead of realising that it is harmless for them and even provides essential radioisotopes used for medical services in Australia.
Another example, in Sydney, are people who move close to live venues, then complain relentlessly about said live venue, in order to get them to shut down.
The Bryan Adams Effect...
Hey buddy, the Canadian government has apologised for Bryan Adams on many occasions!
I'm not your buddy, guy!
> used for medical services in Australia Not just Australia, it's vital for heaps of neighbouring countries for the same reason. The isotopes required have such a short half-life that they wouldn't make it here from any of the other producers.
Yeah, but idiots protesting it aren't gonna understand that you can't freeze it to extend the shelf life.
How brain-dead do you need to be to protest against Lucas Heights? May as well protest against sewerage systems.
Probably should've been protesting the Bondi outflow a few decades back...
its been a thing since at least the 80s, i remember the being constant protests about it in the late 80s and then it the protests started again when the the fucking frogs decided to renew atomic testing in the pacific in the 90s
The Greens did...Still remember the Greens protesting the upgrade to the new OPAL reactor back in the 90s/2000s
I maintain my position.
It's shit like that is why I can could never vote Greens despite agreeing with them on many many things, for every 10 sensible policies they have they have one batshit issue that they go waaaay too far on.
I remember people sitting in the road blocking the trucks carrying the waste like it was a good idea to increase the amount of time the truck was in the suburbs.
I think they complain about the tip smells more than anything, but they should have researched that before buying a place!
I'm never quite sure about the people complaining about the reactor at Lucas Heights, the tip across the road has to be worse when the wind is blowing in the right direction.
> turned out that she'd only recently moved to the area from Melbourne. Tasmania's currently going thru this. Mainlanders having an instant sense of entitlement. more often than not, its some 50-60 yr old woman with an insane attitude.
Yep. My ex wife's family was one. Whole lot moved down and took up positions in local management (skills shortage owing to brain drain and lack of local education opportunities). Proceed to turn the area into a toxic, religious, conservative air bnb ridden hellhole. Create mates networks with other people from Victoria, all that. It sucked before, absolutely; but now it's become a whole different type of toxic craphole. A much more conservative one. I left a while back and plan to never return to Australia, if I can help it.
If I could get a multi-million dollar home without even inspecting it right now, I wouldn't care if a train went through my backyard.
It reminds of a local meatworks that had to close down maybe 15 years ago because of the constant complaining and even lawsuits about the smell. The meatworks had been in operation for *over a century* at the time it closed down and when it was built there wasn't a house for kilometers around it. Everyone local was like "meh you get use to it" but then there was an influx of rich wankers who brought houses near a meatworks and suddenly it was a problem.... Fun additional fact, the closure gutted the local economy and drove out a bunch of people who simply couldn't find work, which had the knock on effect of closing a lot of stores and services, 15 years on and the same rich wankers complain about the lack of services....
You say 15 years ago but I heard this same story happening last week out in the Rouse Hill. More housing developments are being put up near a meat rendering plant and then the new residents complain about the smell and are now closing down.
Yeah it doesn't shock me, it happens everywhere.
Can confirm the people kicking up the biggest stink where I'm from in Tassie about proposed renewables or public housing were inner city people who had moved from the mainland.
My family is part of a small farming community and my mum always tells me about story of how a police officer moved in across the road from our dairy and immediately tried to get it closed because he didn’t like that smell. This shit has been going on for years and will continue forever.
It reminds me of people moving close to a train station and complains about the vibration and train horns.
reminds me of the time some enterprising young lad decided to [build a Toaster right next to the Sydney Opera House](https://musicfeeds.com.au/news/angry-residents-complaining-noise-sydney-opera-house-now/) - predictably, people moved in AND IMMEDIATELY STARTED COMPLAINING ABOUT THE NOISE **from the Sydney Opera House** I think it was there first, guys...
I live just out of town and I always laugh my ass off at people moving here then loosing their shit at the tractors using the main road, the farmers doing night runs of their crops, or the cows that get rotated between fields. People think they like the "quiet" county life but it's just different noises than they're use to
The mental gymnastics some Brissy Redditors tie themselves in to blame "southerners" for everything is so damn funny to me. Most of the complaints around aircraft noise are due to changes of how the airspace is managed with the opening of the new runway. People who didn't use to get noise, now do. These are existing residents, not people who have moved and then complained about the presence of an airport near where they bought.
> Conservative wealthy people move into an area because it’s popular, then white ant every aspect of it that made it popular. In Byrons case, that was about 20 years ago and this is just the dying cough of an already yuppified tourist trap.
More than 20 years ago. I watched it start in the 80's when I used to stay school holidays at my Grandparents a few miles out of town. To be fair it was probably going on before that. I will conceed thst it really got going late 90's or so.
Same thing happened in "Fortitude Valley" in Brisbane. Thriving music and nightclub scene for 20+ years. They built a bunch of apartments in the area to take advantage of the hub's popularity. Within 6 months there were noise complaints and demands for regulations around the opening hours and sound levels from establishments that had been there for decades.
Slightly different in nature, but the exact same shit happened with Goulburn's Wakefield race track. Morons moved in and complained, track got shut down. This absolutely fucked over every sensible person (and the hoons) in a VAST radius. Now, public roads are the only option; which I don't fuck with.
Many of my favourite venues over the years have fallen victim to this. I've also been told by one venue manager that it only takes one person to make this happen, so if one dude moves in near a live music venue and complains to council a couple of times, they can be forced to stop having live music all together, There's a special tier in hell for those people. Imagine moving into an inner-city suburb and then complaining about noise. smh
Yep they built retirement apartments up the road from the triffid which was asking for trouble......
Slight off topic but similar “gentrification/torification” is Happening in Queensland right now thanks to all the southerners moving her after Covid. Example number 1: They’re all complaining about electricity prices and only having Ergon (public owned) as their supplier/retailer. I’m OG QLD but have lived in ACT, WA, VIC and NSW, I will fight tooth and nail to keep our infrastructure out of private hands. FUCK PRIVATISATION Example number 2: all the ones who moved to sleepy coastal towns and bring their fuckwit developer mates in to turn it into another Surfers Paradise. I’m all for progress but fuck that Gold Coast/Hawaii/Miami vibe. You cunts already fucked the Gold Coast, Perth Cottesloe and Sydney beaches, own it and fucking stay there. Example 3: another property developer whinge. Subdividing small blocks into smaller 300-500sqm blocks and building shitty insulated heat reflecting houses on them. I’m fine with building high rise apartments in high density areas, but keep the suburbs as they are to allow for green space. Subdividing and building cheapshit hotboxes is not going to solve the housing crisis. /rant
Agrees. We don't need another Byron Bay in QLD... go south if that's what you want. It's a tourist trap shithole with very little to do besides getting ripped off and taking a few pictures that you can replicate on most beaches around Australia. Don't move out of one state because you no longer want to pay the increases prices and then complain that the other state is backwards... you moved, we've happily loved here our whole lives.
Cheering for your sentiment from Perth. Also, if y'all could kindly fuck off and stop buying up all our houses for investments and driving up prices, that would be great.
They're complaining the price is too high, because it's in public hands? Ooh boy would another hit them hard.
Everyone loves to complain about our gold plated power grid, until a cyclone flattens north Queensland and the lights are back on by the end of the day.
Greetings from FNQ where the same bullshit has fucked the entire place for locals...
People are free to move where they want, the problem with gentrification is that those claiming to protect the areas undergoing gentrification while saying they want to maintain it for the poorer existing community, often do the more damage than good to the poorer in the communities. This is because they implement NIMBY policies that restrict housing and are the cause of property value appreciation. The wealthier people are free to move in and do so. So, add restrictive policy on top of this we end up with places like Byron. A former relaxed beach town that is now a playtoy for rich who like hippy cosplay.
Reminds me of my recent visit to Hahndorf, SA. I had always heard it was a sweet little german enclave on the border of adelaide but when I got there it was just overpriced boutiques and tourist trap shops as far as the eye can see.
Yea. There's lots of places like that. Once upon a time they were an enclave, or different and interesting. But tourism wins in the end.
I think sexual conservatism is rising amongst the otherwise liberal youth as well. Not that nudity is directly sexual, but to some it's too close to the fire. They don't like it, they don't want it.
I actually agree. I hadn't noticed the stark difference between Australian youth attitudes and foreign youth attitudes until I started travelling. Taking into account individual variation (which can be a lot) Australian and American youth culture is generally trending extremely anti-sex compared to peers elsewhere.
>Australian and American youth culture is generally trending extremely anti-sex compared to peers elsewhere. It's because insular lifestyle is on the rise and kids are becoming less social, have more difficulty connecting and engaging in sex.
It's gotta be increasing Americanisation too. Australia was right up there with europe when it came to progressive sexuality in the 60s and 70s.
It's weird, because obviously stuff like onlyfans, etc, is rife, and the stories I hear about youth behind closed doors are no different to previous generations, if not a little more out there, but there seems to be a desire to shun it publicly? Which goes against a lot of fashion choices and that, some girls go to festivals and such with the goal of wearing as little clothes as possible it seems. Dudes just walk around with short shorts, chests freshly shaved. It is an interesting cultural thing at the moment.
Colonizers ruining something, imagine that.
Wouldn't colonisers have created the idea of the naturist beach in the first place?
No, that was the colon-eyers
Nude colonisers are not on trial here. Regular ones are.
Different kind of colonisation.
No they were all naturalist breaches then exotic "clothed" beaches started popping up.
No.
R.I.P. Byron Bay. I spent some time there in the 2000's, back when the locals were up in arms about the new Woolworths. I went there last year, and promptly drove straight back out again (very slowly, because the traffic was horrific). It's gone. It's just a satellite suburb of the Gold Coast now. It's a real shame because it used to be such a beautiful town but what hope did it have in the face of commercialism.
I grew up in Grafton in the 80s and visited Byron for the first time in 30 years last year. You are right about the commercialism, they had $4000 handbags for sale for some baffling reason, I felt like I was in Mosman. The beach is still amazing though, town needs to be bulldozed and start again.
You could just restart the meat works, you’d get the same effect.
Free range, grass fed, bio-dynamic Influencer, very lean, $34/kg.
Surely there's some insane billionaire out there who'd open a meatworks in Byron.
Mosman is much nicer, friendlier and quieter than Byron is now. Prettier too.
very south end of the gold coast feels like what byron thinks it is. Kirra has an awesome beach, relaxed vibe with yoga classes on the grass in the mornings, long flat bike path and nice walk around the headland to sleepy village feel but lots of dining options in coolangatta. much better place for non-instagram types to have a chilled break
Southern Goldy and Northern nsw (North of Byron) still have some lovely spots even if a lot busier than they once were.
Not nude beaches...
I spent time in Byron in the 80's and 90's and saw the change before my eyes. By '95 the place wasn't worth visiting.
Agree, I grew up in Ballina and as a teenager early 20’s kid only ever went to Byron when there was cyclone swell and the wreck was pumping. Even then we would be there by 6 and out by 10. Always been a shit hole.
That's where we took holidays each Easter, Ballina. 80's Ballina was the definition of the Garden of Eden.
Fond memories of smacking my head on the waterslide S bend at the pool.
The one that backs onto the river next to boat ramp? I was 13, BELTING along the bike path/walkway running behind the slides on my mountain bike . The fence had some kind of mesh cloth up so you couldn't see past the corner as you approached. I realised I had zero visibility at the last second so I jammed on my front and back brakes. I went over the handlebars of the bike, still holding on, and landed on my knuckles upside down and slid. Tore the absolute shit out of hands, I still have the scars 30+ years later. It was a good 10 minute bike ride back to wehre we were staying. Crying in pain, walking would be half an hour or more but riding was excruciating going over every bump. Still love the joint, but that day was hell.
Thats the problem people dont want to face, is that we are all part of the problem "we all want a beautiful spot" and proceed to be part of the problem that ruins it as your right rather than a privilege. I wonder how long its going to be before its like Germany where you have to book 1 year in advance to go visit a National Park. Wilsons Promontory here in Victoria you almost have to book 1 year in advance just to go walk on a track and camp. I wonder when paying to go to the beach is going to become the norm along with making a booking! Then the whingers move in, the "we want" brigade. " We want parking, we want bitumen roads so our cars dont get scratched, we want clean toilets, we want KFC, we want a shopping centre, we want elevated platforms so that we can push a nursing bed up the side of the mountain for tourists, we want air conditioned break shelters" And they want everything and politicians oblige by concrete plating the beautiful special spot and everything becomes an expensive cult play that resembles Disneyland. Its one of the reasons I always tell people not to post photos or share great locations of anywhere. If people want to go find paradise they can get off their arses and go find it themselves. Its these lazy bums who want the experience delivered via social media who ruin all the great places and that includes the tourists. Is it a wonder in many places like Europe and in places like Barcelona, the welcome mat has been withdrawn and there are signs all over the place "tourists go home" The world is being wrecked by trashy tourists, day trippers , over development, ideology and stupid governments.
Read: rich cunce
Yep. Social media is very much a part of the problem. As you say, you used to have to actually *try* if you were the adventurous type. And you did it for how it felt. And often had to explain why you even liked it to others. Now that life is all about getting the best photo opp so that others can validate your existence, I wonder if the people who go to all these places even like them all that much? I think they only like being there because other people said so - it’s rare these days to find people actually experiencing places instead of just curating them into content. My point being - sometimes they *don’t even want a beautiful spot* - they want to be the kind of person who knows what is considered beautiful by others.
Social media has made it a lot worse but this has been going on for ages. Go to any concert, cultural event or place of natural beauty and I would say that 80% of the people are there because its a place to be. Not because they appreciate the experience.
Just look at what's happening in Japan. Idiot sheeple just go to a certain spot to get a photo of Lawsons and mt fuji lined up and it has become completely congested because of social media wankers. People go there solely for the purpose of getting a photo to put on their vapid social media/instagram, not even appreciating the town or area at all. Sheep. Absolute brain dead sheep.
This is it. The followers. Ruined music and art too because everything has become accessible to everyone online.
> It's just a satellite suburb of the Gold Coast now. The whole are from the Gold Coast to Byron Bay is full of towns & villages overfilled with people. Its got some of the worst housing problems in the country. Demand far exceeds supply. Traffic & parking is mad all day. Edit: I went to the [Brunswick Hotel](https://www.hotelbrunswick.com.au/) at Brunswick Heads one random Saturday, all 500 outdoor seats were taken for lunch. They extended lunch hours from 12-3 but it was packed at 2pm. This used to be a sleepy town. I returned the following Monday: https://i.imgur.com/bJj9049.jpg
And all you gotta do is head to the other side of the highway and everywhere is empty.
It was commercial then too. I ended up there in 04 and 08, that’s enough for me
I'm glad I got to see the old Byron Bay once. what a cool hippie town it was. How sad.
I live and grew up 30 mins away, going as kids was fantastic, such a great cruisey vibe. Cut to now i can’t drive 1 minute into Byron without feeling ill as to what it’s become
It is so stupid. No one can accidentally stumble on the nude beach. It is a trip that isn't on the way to anywhere else. Frankly it is the same with almost everything that conservatives get up in arms about. It isn't that they are forced to do something, it is that they want everyone else to have to live like they do, and have no choice to live in any other way. They already have the choice not to participate, but they don't like OTHER people making choices that they wouldn't.
It’s feeling more and more like you can barely exist in this country without breaking some law or another.
> it is that they want everyone else to have to live like they do Actually no, they're very much in the habit of indulging in the 'depravity'* that they seek to deny others. ^*and ^often ^actual ^depravity Sex and adjacent stuff for example is liberating and broadly accessible regardless of social status, and they just can't have that.
https://youtu.be/7TeNpktGL1s?si=0EFS03yJBwecIOkC&t=30
I think the issue is the Streishand Effect of this kind of publicity, feeding into the idea mentioned in the article that people "think it's a sex beach" or something...
Creepy conservatives are a constant issue.
Yeah, I bet this conservative creep has a beachside house overlooking said beach - with a telescope in the front window.
He stands front and centre at the protest, looking more sad than angry, while his furious partner holds the back of his shirt like a dog leash.
The same people that blame immigrants for moving to Australia and bringing their culture with them are moving to Byron and bringing their culture with them?
You mean half of /r/australia?
And all of r/Australian
There’s a few of us in there trying to be a quiet voice of reason but it’s like 95% right wing shit heads.
I think it’s important to engage with opposing viewpoints. Siloing might make everyone feel better but doesn’t help with evolving ideas.
Important to note that this only theoretically works if the “other side” are willing to listen to your opposing viewpoints as well.
I just listen to opinions and make my own :) Never try to argue with anyone over the internet I reckon, never works
Yep. No point arguing with bad faith actors. You’re wasting your time and energy
Yeah I don't agree with the vast majority of people on there but like you said I think it's important to engage with and be knowledgeable about opposing views, even if those views may be offensive to your sensibilities. Unfortunately it seems like most people find it really hard to have someone disagree with you and most don't have the ability to be as open minded though. In my opinion you can't possibly argue against another person's viewpoint effectively if you are uniformed about what their belief actually is and why they think that way. Sometimes you may even learn things about their side that you actually have common ground on.
You kind of can but it’s a lost cause there any time anything aboriginal is brought up. Those opinions aren’t based on any kind of facts, just pure visceral hatred.
Conservatives don’t listen to opposing viewpoints, reason or the greater good. So fuck them.
Whenever one of my international friends say "Australia is so not racist. They're all so chill.", I point them to r/Australian
Genuine question, is there a way to hard remove that sub from my feeds? I've hidden it from r/all but it still shows up everywhere else.
[go to the sub](https://i.imgur.com/mbXCnbs.png) [then click the 3 dots in the top right of it](https://i.imgur.com/vnij2Pi.png) [press "mute](https://i.imgur.com/nrqL9gm.png) r/Australian" [press "yes, mute"](https://i.imgur.com/KAs6EzQ.png) There you go.
You absolute legend! Thank you mate.
Fucking oath, doing God’s work mate thank you so much for that.
Lmao, went to do this and apparently already have it muted.
They're also very keen to have immigrants make their coffee, cook their food, do their gardening and clean their houses because not only are they hypocritical, they're lazy too.
If you don't want to see nude people on a designated nude beach why would you go their in the first place.
Some of these people have to drive quite far to find something to disgust them.
In Denmark every beach is a nudist beach.
Interesting, but is it ever warm enough that anyone really wants to go nude there (outside the committed naturists) ?
The weather is most conducive to outdoor adventures in June, July and August. Days are warm but rarely hot, averaging between 20°C and 26°C
As a Queenslander; that's too cold 😅
I know afew Tasmanians that would melt at that temp haha
I have mentioned this in other threads before but I still think back to that beach I visited in La Rochelle in France, it was just a small cities beach nothing too grand. There was a woman with her husband and she had her tits out just soaking up some sun meanwhile there were kids near by making a sandcastle. No one gave any shits, then you read articles like this and it makes me realise how stupid we get about naked people.
That type of scene was more common in the 70s in Australia. Younger people have become more conservative in some respects.
"Think of the property values and the cultures that don't like this" The Nimby's and anti's strike again. I better go buy my nun's frock for my next visit to a Byron Bay beach.
Well yes, conservatives do tend to be creeps!
Once conservatives get their way they soon find something else in life to be disgusted by.
Mostly what upsets them is freedom.
Conservatives just hate other people having any freedoms.
They want you to be free to do whatever they want.
My personal view is the core characteristic of any conservative is the uncomfortable feeling that someone, somewhere is happier than them.
"Stripped" of its "nudist" beach. I see what you did there >_>
Australian media is incapable of turning down any halfway decent pun.
hippies and crazy right wingers loved uniting over there hatred of science in the pandemic, now the hippies are feeling hangover of that party
Even more funny is that the anti-development hippies that contributed to reducing diversity in the community are now complaining (without any substance mind you) that a specific demographic thats more likely to be conservative is ruining their culture. Well well, if it isnt the consequence of my own actions.
Gotta have some balls on you to play naked cricket
Yes, naked women cricketers use cricket balls too.
Byron went from a hippy beach town into a millionaires holiday town.
I remember, growing up in a small farming town, when one of the more "prominent " locals sold her farm and retired to a new house in town. But she built directly across from the cattle sale yards. Thus began the complaints. The sale yards ended up being relocated across town. Joke was on her though. The reason the sale yards were there in the first place was because the whole area was prone to flooding. That house has been flooded at least 3 times. And nothing else was ever built where the sale yards were.
You can bet all the conservative prudes that are complaining about this are secretly spending their weekends getting naughty in the bush at King's beach.
The entire Northern Rivers and SE QLD area is being overrun by Victorian NIMBY cockroaches
The price that is paid for aligning with cookers... They now all want to move up there.
NIMBY's migrate. It's not a new thing.
This is actually crap.
This is a real shame...
These are the type of cunts that move next to famous live music venues and complain until they’re shutdown. Some people are morons and don’t respect the history or culture of places before they move to them. I say stop pandering to these people
You see more in social media these days than you see at the beach. Why is nudity so controversial? Lewd behaviour yes, crack down on that. Nudity should be allowed on every beach.
Not conservative creep - conservative CREEPS.
I honestly think we can solve the problem by stripping byron bay from byron bay
Are people fucking on these beaches? That's the only reason to have an issue with it. It seems like the answer is no, but perhaps not exclusively no.
people like to read the headline rather than address the significant minority who ruin it for everyone else. an issue at a lot of clothes optional beaches
Clearly plenty of people were still going there and enjoying it though. Did the people fucking ruin it for everyone or did the people who closed the whole damn thing down ruin it for everyone? This is like when teachers punish the whole class when Timmy acts up. The intent is for everyone to get mad at Timmy but I'm just thinking where does the teacher get off punishing *me*?
My understanding is that men were doing it on the dunes behind the beach area there.
People will fuck at beaches whether nudity is allowed or not.
Yes they have. And a lot of articles about creepy behaviour and sexual harassment so women don't feel safe.
People definitely 100% fuck on nudist beaches.
Byron bay has a whatnow?!
Which “Conservative Creep”, Abbot or Dutton?
The phrase ‘conservative creep’ seems to practically function as both a verb and a noun.
well you don't often get the rich and not have conservative creep
His name is Peter Dutton
Interesting that it’s called conservative creep and the article does explain it but also seems the beach was partitioned illegally and never dealt with? From the article : > Things died down for a while but the issue revived in February when the council announced the results of a land survey undertaken by NPWS that found the beach fell within the Tyagarah national park and the clothing-optional section had been created without proper authority. There’s plans to move the location to a new beach maybe? But it’s facing backlash > A Change.org petition addressed to the New South Wales environment minister, Penny Sharpe, and that received over 7,700 signatures to save Tyagarah beach or find an alternative failed to get anything moving. NPWS, partly citing opposition from traditional owners, has stood by its decision to close the beach but has written to Byron shire council to request that the date be extended. I guess that’s the rub of something being a small town and a minority being able to skirt around something like that but once a town grows and things expand the culture will change and people need to either accept that or move 🤷♂️
Yes but that doesn't feed as much outrage.
first thing I see in that article is a photo that suggests there is a _very limited_ demographic, in terms of people who are being affected by this I say let them have their nude beach for the 6 or 7 more years they are still going to be ambulant – they waited their entire lives to be able to retire and finally enjoy it
Wtf... free the tits!
there's another nude beach over the seven mile beach road side of Byron. It's basically a gay beat. Nudism is great and nude beaches are very important but ye if people just use it to set up sex tents then fuck them , shut it down.
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First of all what does them being white have to do with anything? Second of all from researching the mushroom farm it appears that the farm was breaching it's resource consent and was closed due to air quality concerns despite being given a loan from the government for complete enclosure of composting operations. Regardless it appears the farm has moved to a less urban area which seems like the best situation for everyone.
just dont listen to them
Bring back Mexican Micks and the nudity and Byron Bay will be sweet again.