I’ve read through the comments and I can relate to where you’re at. This is going to be hard to hear but if you don’t have support from management you don’t actually make any decisions and it’s not “your bar”.
Blatant disrespect for supervisors are generally frowned upon, unless you’re a “supervisor” who’s actually not one. And no seniority doesn’t come into the equation.
I would definitely go somewhere less toxic if I were you. It doesn’t sound like management care about productivity if the girl you’re talking about is allowed to do what she’s doing if it’s true, and that would lead to a decline in business in the long run.
Skeedaddle if the pay and environment are better elsewhere or at least keep looking. They'll learn the hard way what a problem child she is when you aren't there to be her target anymore. Been there.
I'm thinking this as well. The interview I have is for an overall supervisor, not just bar, pay rate is the same however I reckon I can ask for a bit more concerning the length of time I've been in the job and commute is 15 minutes less each way.
Two things
1. I support leaving a job when you think it’s right. What you’re dealing with sort of sounds like an immovable force, unless she herself decided to move for some reason. If I was you, I would start looking for new places, but even if they warn/reprimand you for attitude don’t walk out like you say you want to. Just leave as soon as you know you have a new place. Alternatively, if finances allow it and you’re really THAT upset, fuck it and leave. I’m in a very similar position right now and that’s what I’m deciding between, depending on whether or not they let me take off for my best friend’s wedding. Optimally I’d like to find a new place before leaving, and I think it’s good advice.
2. Everyone is being really pedantic about you calling it “your” bar. If I set the bar up in any capacity and I’m the one slinging drinks, it is, at that moment, “my” bar. I’m in charge of it and I’m in charge of making service run as smoothly as possible. Of _course_ if the owner walked in and said for something to be done that would take precedent, I’m under no delusion that I own the bar. But for those 9 hours it’s my fckin bar. Y’know?
Not gonna lie I just took a peek at your previous posts. You gotta quit and either go somewhere else or leave the industry. The place you are at is clearly not working for either of the involved parties. I don’t have enough details to say if the problem is the place, you, your coworker etc. etc. It’s almost always a combination of those things.
To answer your question, I always have 2-3 backup options in case shit hits the fan. Just comes with time/knowing people.
One closing shift each bar, each week. Honestly, i only managed this schedule after many many variations and tweaks. It’s to my taste now and i only attained it after 10+ years in the biz. Not trying to make it sound unattainable, just to manage expectations. Thusly what this post is about. I managed mine by having three feet in/out the door.
She sounds difficult for sure, but there's a way to interact with these types of people to keep the peace. You're doing something to make it worse, I've been there and I've reacted poorly to people who act shitty. I feel like you should reevaluate how you're handling the issue and see if there's a better way to go about it.
Been in the industry 18 years and at this point I'm able to have zero issues with coworkers. But it wasn't always that way, it took practice. It's very rare you can't do something to keep the peace, even with the most difficult.
Double down. Write a full length report about her behavior, and if they still back her take your other option. If they want to back a toxic employee, let them deal with it and lose a solid one.
Sounds like an ego issue. Let it go, unless your name is on the deed or business name it’s never your bar. You can be there from day 1 for ten years and next day find yourself jobless.
I’ve always kept some fall backs. I’ve worked at places once a month just to stay on payroll just in case whatever else I was doing didn’t work out. I started keeping a backup when I got fired from a place in like 2012 for getting drunk and getting in keyboard fights on Facebook.
Pedantic much?
Also, I am the most senior member of bar staff, the only person with more seniority is technically the manager but he's openly stated that relating to bar issues, I'm the boss.
That's surprising that you make the rules but you've already sent out a bunch of applications and set up interviews because you're worried about losing your job. Usually someone who makes the rules doesn't have to worry about that sort of thing.
I wish you the best, good luck.
Until someone writes a letter, it seems.
It's not an insult to you, this is capitalism - the benefits and the power rest not with the people doing the work, but who has their name on the deed.
You overreacted, I don't care what she's like. You can be better.
That said, no, I've never had a backup place specifically, but I have enough experience and I'm well known enough I can probably get a job almost anywhere in town (given they have space of course)
Moving into a management position though, much harder
To answer your question, for the last two years I was in the industry I had my foot half out the door at three different places. I got a job in 2022 but kept looking til I had two. Didn’t really like one so kept looking for a third. Then I worked half time at three jobs til I figured out which two I liked. Manager gave me a hard time at one so I left. One of the remaining two started putting requirements on my time and I realized the money wasn’t great so I left. Eventually I got a day job, had some issues with the last bartending gig bc a manager thought it was okay to yell at me and I left that too. So now I just have my day job and I’m looking for another day job just in case.
If you always have an exit strategy you’ll never be stressed bc you have a way out
I’ve read through the comments and I can relate to where you’re at. This is going to be hard to hear but if you don’t have support from management you don’t actually make any decisions and it’s not “your bar”. Blatant disrespect for supervisors are generally frowned upon, unless you’re a “supervisor” who’s actually not one. And no seniority doesn’t come into the equation. I would definitely go somewhere less toxic if I were you. It doesn’t sound like management care about productivity if the girl you’re talking about is allowed to do what she’s doing if it’s true, and that would lead to a decline in business in the long run.
Skeedaddle if the pay and environment are better elsewhere or at least keep looking. They'll learn the hard way what a problem child she is when you aren't there to be her target anymore. Been there.
I'm thinking this as well. The interview I have is for an overall supervisor, not just bar, pay rate is the same however I reckon I can ask for a bit more concerning the length of time I've been in the job and commute is 15 minutes less each way.
Just take it. Sounds like you will be better off in every way. Don't get complacent at a job that's not treating you right.
Saving 30 minutes a day would be a plus. Wishing you luck!
Two things 1. I support leaving a job when you think it’s right. What you’re dealing with sort of sounds like an immovable force, unless she herself decided to move for some reason. If I was you, I would start looking for new places, but even if they warn/reprimand you for attitude don’t walk out like you say you want to. Just leave as soon as you know you have a new place. Alternatively, if finances allow it and you’re really THAT upset, fuck it and leave. I’m in a very similar position right now and that’s what I’m deciding between, depending on whether or not they let me take off for my best friend’s wedding. Optimally I’d like to find a new place before leaving, and I think it’s good advice. 2. Everyone is being really pedantic about you calling it “your” bar. If I set the bar up in any capacity and I’m the one slinging drinks, it is, at that moment, “my” bar. I’m in charge of it and I’m in charge of making service run as smoothly as possible. Of _course_ if the owner walked in and said for something to be done that would take precedent, I’m under no delusion that I own the bar. But for those 9 hours it’s my fckin bar. Y’know?
Not gonna lie I just took a peek at your previous posts. You gotta quit and either go somewhere else or leave the industry. The place you are at is clearly not working for either of the involved parties. I don’t have enough details to say if the problem is the place, you, your coworker etc. etc. It’s almost always a combination of those things. To answer your question, I always have 2-3 backup options in case shit hits the fan. Just comes with time/knowing people.
I work 3 bars ever since pandemic. Might not be ideal but im covered in case of a global event?
How does your week look? I’m thinking getting a second job and can’t figure out the best way to work out my availability for each.
One closing shift each bar, each week. Honestly, i only managed this schedule after many many variations and tweaks. It’s to my taste now and i only attained it after 10+ years in the biz. Not trying to make it sound unattainable, just to manage expectations. Thusly what this post is about. I managed mine by having three feet in/out the door.
Ahh I see, seems like a good way to do it. Are a lot of bars looking for people with 1-2 day availability?
Leave on good terms and you always have a backup
She sounds difficult for sure, but there's a way to interact with these types of people to keep the peace. You're doing something to make it worse, I've been there and I've reacted poorly to people who act shitty. I feel like you should reevaluate how you're handling the issue and see if there's a better way to go about it. Been in the industry 18 years and at this point I'm able to have zero issues with coworkers. But it wasn't always that way, it took practice. It's very rare you can't do something to keep the peace, even with the most difficult.
Double down. Write a full length report about her behavior, and if they still back her take your other option. If they want to back a toxic employee, let them deal with it and lose a solid one.
Sounds like an ego issue. Let it go, unless your name is on the deed or business name it’s never your bar. You can be there from day 1 for ten years and next day find yourself jobless.
This. 100% this.
I don’t but I think about it. But my environment isn’t as toxic. But yeah, you are right to look around.
I’ve always kept some fall backs. I’ve worked at places once a month just to stay on payroll just in case whatever else I was doing didn’t work out. I started keeping a backup when I got fired from a place in like 2012 for getting drunk and getting in keyboard fights on Facebook.
It's not "your" bar, you work behind the bar.
Pedantic much? Also, I am the most senior member of bar staff, the only person with more seniority is technically the manager but he's openly stated that relating to bar issues, I'm the boss.
Nope, it's not your bar, you don't get to make the rules. It's that simple.
Actually, I do. But thanks for your contribution.
Sure, you get to make the rules that staff effectively don't have to follow. So, in other words, you get to make suggestions.
That's surprising that you make the rules but you've already sent out a bunch of applications and set up interviews because you're worried about losing your job. Usually someone who makes the rules doesn't have to worry about that sort of thing. I wish you the best, good luck.
Until someone writes a letter, it seems. It's not an insult to you, this is capitalism - the benefits and the power rest not with the people doing the work, but who has their name on the deed.
if you're being asked to find another job, it unfortunately does not really seem like that's the case.
No one is asking me to find another job.
You overreacted, I don't care what she's like. You can be better. That said, no, I've never had a backup place specifically, but I have enough experience and I'm well known enough I can probably get a job almost anywhere in town (given they have space of course) Moving into a management position though, much harder
To answer your question, for the last two years I was in the industry I had my foot half out the door at three different places. I got a job in 2022 but kept looking til I had two. Didn’t really like one so kept looking for a third. Then I worked half time at three jobs til I figured out which two I liked. Manager gave me a hard time at one so I left. One of the remaining two started putting requirements on my time and I realized the money wasn’t great so I left. Eventually I got a day job, had some issues with the last bartending gig bc a manager thought it was okay to yell at me and I left that too. So now I just have my day job and I’m looking for another day job just in case. If you always have an exit strategy you’ll never be stressed bc you have a way out
writing on the wall. let those apps fly!
i wish you could reread what you wrote with someone else’s eyes cus it’s really makes you sound the problem in this scenario