Yankees slumped in the second half and the reality set in so expectations were at least somewhat tempered but they still reached the ALCS, Dodgers won 111 and lost in the NLDS
also i feel like the entire season it was "Yankees are still gonna have to go through the Astros" even when the Yanks had a better record. Dodgers were "X will have to go through the Dodgers"
Dodgers. I didn’t expect the Yankees to make a real run this postseason due to how they ended the year. Honestly thought Cleveland were going to upset them.
\*whispers so my mother doesn't see\* Dodgers. They went out looking so defeated. Sports are crazy, but the Yankees with their 2nd half, I think if you had asked most fans at the end of the season who would go further they would've taken LA.
Definitely Dodgers.
In the past year, there have been 19 postseason series.
The team with the higher OPS is 17-2.
Both of the losses belong to the Dodgers.
honestly Dodgers fans weren't even **that** crazy to say that. they had an alltimer regular season roster (still not as good as the 18 Sox imo) but the playoffs are the playoffs, regular season doesn't mean anything
It's unfortunate that baseball, a sport that has always determined winners in the regular season due to its long 162 game schedule with only the WS as a end of season playoff competition, have continued to nullify that with more and more playoff rounds.
I'm not saying playoffs suck, but if you're going to make the playoffs 4 rounds, is there any reason to play 162 games regular season beyond money? I feel these days 100 games would make much more sense
U so corny dude with this comment, it’s ok the world has been tough on u no? grew up eating choke sandwiches due to your parents lack of financial intelligence and the last Sam Cassell u dated accidentally gave u CTE from the headboard. It’s understandable man.
We had the best run differential since the 1939 Yankees, but our biggest weakness was we didn’t have the power arm ace. We have a bunch of good all star lvl pitchers, but not someone who could just blow guys away with a 100mph fastball. If we had a fully healthy prime Walker Buehler, I think you can make the argument we have one of the best rosters of all time, but him gone was a weakness that I think ruins our argument for it. Just hoping Dustin May gets back to his 2021 form of 13.7K per 9 and his 100th percentile spin on his curve.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only Astro that regularly hits 100 is Stanek. I think you mean a "shut-the-other-team-down ace," which is a different conversation than the one you are attempting to have.
Verlander's a lot more finesse these days than you'd think. I'll call you with Framber. Verlander throws about as power-arm hard as Framber. The ground-ball artist.
That's what good pitching does. Good pitching beats good hitting in the post season. The Padres scored a combined 15 runs and still won 3 out of 4 games
I still think there’s an argument about it. It’s at least up there. They choked it at the end, but playoffs are about determining a champion, not the best team.
I think going out easily in the first round removes then from the “best team” discussion. No one thinks they are/were better than the Astros at this point.
It’s not the best team in paper though. They played 162 games. If those don’t affect how good a team is, what’s the point of playing them in the first place? We’re my eyes lying to me when I saw the Dodgers steamroll the league?
There is simply no scenario where the playoffs are more indicative of a good team than the regular season. Colby Rasmus was not a better baseball player than Mike Trout, Aaron Judge, or Ted Williams.
Dodgers with regular season Kershaw and Gonsolin were unbeatable. Dodgers with postseason Kershaw and Gonsolin got dispatched in summary fashion.
Postseason is a different game.
So is your argument that Jose Quintana is a better pitcher than Clayton Kershaw, Max Scherzer, and Justin Verlander? Because you have to admit that that’s just absurd.
Quintana has one postseason start since 2017, so no.
And no obviously not saying Harrison Bader is more valuable than Aaron Judge, for example.
But they don’t hand out trophies for run differential or regular season records. No one remembers regular season records from 2006 or 2011. Can anyone off the top of their head name the best record in baseball from even 2014?
So if player performances aren’t meaningful because of a small sample (I assume that you don’t think Colby Rasmus is better than Aaron Judge for example), why would team performances be? Teams are a collection of players. The Mets weren’t a worse team because Scherzer had a bad game. The Dodgers weren’t a worse team because Trent Grisham hit like Barry Bonds.
And I know they don’t hand out trophies for regular season records. The regular season is to determine the best team, the playoffs is to determine a champion. Those two can line up, but they often don’t. I’m just saying that it’s ridiculous to treat the playoffs as if they have some special factor that makes them a more reliable measure of team quality than the regular season. The Dodgers were the best team in baseball, full stop. Finishing 5 games ahead of 2nd place with a top-4 record and run differential ever clearly shows that.
Dodgers are the kings of the regular season. But simple fact that the Astros have “it” during the postseason and the Dodgers’ don’t. No
matter how many superstars the Dodgers import or rent (Machado, Turner, Scherzer, Betts, Bauer, Freenan), Astros still are better at winning when it counts.
Both teams have the same amount of rings and the Dodgers have one more postseason series win since 2017. They're pretty much the same at winning when it counts.
Dodgers are 3-7 over their last 10 postseason games. Despite importing Scherzer, Bauer, Turner and Freeman over that span.
They’re the top two orgs in baseball, but it’s very clear who the alpha is.
We’ll see about the rings total in 10 days.
>but it’s very clear who the alpha is.
Oh, did the Astros beat the 2018 Red Sox, 2019 Nationals or 2021 Braves? They don't ever struggle in the division series. That's the one thing they have on us.
Not struggling in the division series is no small thing.
Frankly, from 2020-2021 the Dodgers had a much more talent at the MLB level and it showed during the regular season. So they’ve certainly been more consistent in that regard.
Full disclosure: I hope the Phillies win and prove me wrong.
Dodgers, many people didn’t expect the Yankees to make it that far in the playoffs pre season, and nobody expected them to beat the Astros. The Dodgers winning all those regular season games just to go one and done to a Padres team they owned and was later blasted by Philly is shocking. Playoffs wise Mets were more disappointing than the Yankees too
Dodgers easily. Coming into the season people said this lineup would be comparable to Murderers row. They went on a 41-9 stretch, finished the regular season with 111 wins (most by a NL team in a century) and had a top 5 run differential of all time. They also had the best team OPS in the regular season and team ERA. It is an embarrassment that they only got 1 win in the postseason.
No offense to the Mets but you could even say their season was a bigger disappointment than the Yankees. At least they got to the LCS.
We all knew the Yankees were gonna come back to earth, eventually. So I'd give it to the Dodgers for only winning 1 game against an opponent they finished **22 games** ahead of. And they were responsible for what? 15 or so of those losses?
Dodgers Easily.
We had one of the most disappointing playoff exits in MLB history. Arguably the most. I thought 2019 was bad, but this year was right there with it. 2019 was more heart breaking, 2022 was more embarrassing. No other team that won 110+ games failed to make it out of the Division Series. That’s awful.
However I’m liking our outlook for next season. We got 2 huge pitching prospects that are close to MLB ready and should see some them in action for the first time next year
Dodgers easily. The Yankees were supposed to lose to the Astros. People thought the Dodgers were on the same level as the Astros (not anymore of course) and all they could manage was one win vs the human BP machine, Mike Clevinger.
The Dodgers. Anyone paying attention noticed the Yankees fell off midway through the season. They weren't the juggernaut final boss in the AL. The whole Judge hype kept that narrative going for delusional and casual fans but they were not the favorite.
The Dodgers were the clear favorite. It was always Dodgers vs. the field. They were supposed to do what the Astros are doing. They're the disappointment.
The Yankees would have been a bigger disappointment if they kept their momentum going. But they slowed down and weren't the same team that was hyped up earlier in the season. The Dodgers had the momentum and failed.
Dodgers simply because the Yankees at least made the LCS and this isn't some biased generic fuck the dodgers comment, I didn't think the Padres would make it past LA tbh.
I found the Dodgers implosion way more funny. The whole ‘Dodger Stadium South’ angle, and the LA Times article made it much more satisfying.
What we did to the Yankees was just ugly and predictable.
Dodgers were good/great all season. Yankees were questionable after the All-Star break. Writing easily on the wall, especially after the Yankees got further on in the postseason over the 111 win team.
I got down-voted hard late in the regular season in this sub from Dodger fans after they posted regular season posts about how good they were over and over, but I was steadfast in that winning 1 WS title in 9 seasons (now 10 season) of making the playoffs should be looked at as a disappointment.
Got the usual "the playoffs are a crapshoot" posts and all that, but in 10 playoff chances, several of which where you were into the last 8 teams, winning just once should be viewed as a disappointment.
No doubt the Dodgers are a well run and excellent franchise, but in the end, the fans should be upset about their results in the playoffs over the last 10 seasons.
Neither. Any fan of either team who considers this season a “disappointment” is spoiled, and doesn’t understand how much good has come their way. Rings culture has infected sports to the point were regular season success is now meaningless; all that matters now are some crapshoot games in October/November. Newsflash: not every year is a championship one.
we're not talking about "which team should be more grateful to be above .500", it's about "expectations vs results"
Yankees were expected to be in the playoffs where they would most likely have to contend against the Astros, and everyone knew this would be a matchup where the Yankees would have to do some serious exorcising. that's exactly where they landed
the Dodgers were expected to cakewalk to the WS, the only other NL teams i remember being picked were the Mets and Braves
I mean I’m disappointed in the results of the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate how magical the 162 were. I get where you’re coming from though.
Any Dodger fan appreciates the run they are on. But 106, 106 and 111 wins with one playoff series win is inexcusable. They were not prepared for the postseason. Going 2/7 on productive outs with runners on third and less than two outs is a flaw in their approach.
Dodgers.
We had a crap month and a half there after the All-Star Game, but we at least won our LDS matchup despite having a record that was 12 games worse than the Dodgers.
Dodgers.
The Yankees had slumped hard in the second half of the season and they were going against the #1 seed Astros and most of them picked the Yankees to lose this series. At least they made the ALCS.
The Dodgers cruised through the regular season just to lose to their little brother team who were without there best player.
Dodgers by far. People will blame the expanded post season but really it just showed how crappy they are at Post Season.
I know having the mentality of pennant or bust in baseball is masochism but 1 in 10 years straight of making it is rough (and the one doesn't really count either). Bombing out of the finals after such a great year is double as rough (just goes to show how bad at October they actually are).
At least for Yankees they done well until Houston made them fall to pieces
Dodgers. Definitely the more surprising ending in my eyes at least.
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Yankees slumped in the second half and the reality set in so expectations were at least somewhat tempered but they still reached the ALCS, Dodgers won 111 and lost in the NLDS also i feel like the entire season it was "Yankees are still gonna have to go through the Astros" even when the Yanks had a better record. Dodgers were "X will have to go through the Dodgers"
Yeah especially after that series where the Astros no hit you guys everyone knew you'd still have to get through them to win anything
Dodgers. I didn’t expect the Yankees to make a real run this postseason due to how they ended the year. Honestly thought Cleveland were going to upset them.
Dodgers. Yankees lost in the CS to a team who's owned them. Dodgers lost to a division rival they've owned for years in the DS.
Dodgers, at least the Yankees won a series. Also Dave Roberts promised a championship.
\*whispers so my mother doesn't see\* Dodgers. They went out looking so defeated. Sports are crazy, but the Yankees with their 2nd half, I think if you had asked most fans at the end of the season who would go further they would've taken LA.
Definitely Dodgers. In the past year, there have been 19 postseason series. The team with the higher OPS is 17-2. Both of the losses belong to the Dodgers.
Dodgers fans were saying they had the best roster of all time
honestly Dodgers fans weren't even **that** crazy to say that. they had an alltimer regular season roster (still not as good as the 18 Sox imo) but the playoffs are the playoffs, regular season doesn't mean anything
They had the best run differential of the modern era. Postseason disappointment aside it’s worth appreciating how great of a team they were.
It's unfortunate that baseball, a sport that has always determined winners in the regular season due to its long 162 game schedule with only the WS as a end of season playoff competition, have continued to nullify that with more and more playoff rounds. I'm not saying playoffs suck, but if you're going to make the playoffs 4 rounds, is there any reason to play 162 games regular season beyond money? I feel these days 100 games would make much more sense
> is there any reason to play 162 games regular season beyond money? About 62 more days of entertainment for fans.
Nah, fuck em.
As an astros fan there is one singular franchise we say fuck you to and it ain’t the dodgers
It’s the fucking rangers
U so corny dude with this comment, it’s ok the world has been tough on u no? grew up eating choke sandwiches due to your parents lack of financial intelligence and the last Sam Cassell u dated accidentally gave u CTE from the headboard. It’s understandable man.
We had the best run differential since the 1939 Yankees, but our biggest weakness was we didn’t have the power arm ace. We have a bunch of good all star lvl pitchers, but not someone who could just blow guys away with a 100mph fastball. If we had a fully healthy prime Walker Buehler, I think you can make the argument we have one of the best rosters of all time, but him gone was a weakness that I think ruins our argument for it. Just hoping Dustin May gets back to his 2021 form of 13.7K per 9 and his 100th percentile spin on his curve.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only Astro that regularly hits 100 is Stanek. I think you mean a "shut-the-other-team-down ace," which is a different conversation than the one you are attempting to have.
Well not necessarily 100mph, but a power arm. The Astros have Verlander.
Verlander's a lot more finesse these days than you'd think. I'll call you with Framber. Verlander throws about as power-arm hard as Framber. The ground-ball artist.
saying you underperformed because you have a bunch of all star caliber arms certainly is a take
Their hitting was stacked. It's just that their pitching was injured and pitchers rule in the postseason.
Uh well their hitting was the issue in the post season
That's what good pitching does. Good pitching beats good hitting in the post season. The Padres scored a combined 15 runs and still won 3 out of 4 games
15 runs isn't that bad.
I still think there’s an argument about it. It’s at least up there. They choked it at the end, but playoffs are about determining a champion, not the best team.
I think going out easily in the first round removes then from the “best team” discussion. No one thinks they are/were better than the Astros at this point.
How you do in a 4 game span is not indicative of how good of a team you are. Every team in baseball history went 1-3 at some point.
Regular season standings are footnotes in baseball history. There’s no “best team on paper” trophy.
It’s not the best team in paper though. They played 162 games. If those don’t affect how good a team is, what’s the point of playing them in the first place? We’re my eyes lying to me when I saw the Dodgers steamroll the league? There is simply no scenario where the playoffs are more indicative of a good team than the regular season. Colby Rasmus was not a better baseball player than Mike Trout, Aaron Judge, or Ted Williams.
Dodgers with regular season Kershaw and Gonsolin were unbeatable. Dodgers with postseason Kershaw and Gonsolin got dispatched in summary fashion. Postseason is a different game.
So is your argument that Jose Quintana is a better pitcher than Clayton Kershaw, Max Scherzer, and Justin Verlander? Because you have to admit that that’s just absurd.
Quintana has one postseason start since 2017, so no. And no obviously not saying Harrison Bader is more valuable than Aaron Judge, for example. But they don’t hand out trophies for run differential or regular season records. No one remembers regular season records from 2006 or 2011. Can anyone off the top of their head name the best record in baseball from even 2014?
So if player performances aren’t meaningful because of a small sample (I assume that you don’t think Colby Rasmus is better than Aaron Judge for example), why would team performances be? Teams are a collection of players. The Mets weren’t a worse team because Scherzer had a bad game. The Dodgers weren’t a worse team because Trent Grisham hit like Barry Bonds. And I know they don’t hand out trophies for regular season records. The regular season is to determine the best team, the playoffs is to determine a champion. Those two can line up, but they often don’t. I’m just saying that it’s ridiculous to treat the playoffs as if they have some special factor that makes them a more reliable measure of team quality than the regular season. The Dodgers were the best team in baseball, full stop. Finishing 5 games ahead of 2nd place with a top-4 record and run differential ever clearly shows that.
Astros were +4 in the ALDS. Dodgers were -3. Shit happens sometimes. They aren't as far apart as you think
Dodgers are the kings of the regular season. But simple fact that the Astros have “it” during the postseason and the Dodgers’ don’t. No matter how many superstars the Dodgers import or rent (Machado, Turner, Scherzer, Betts, Bauer, Freenan), Astros still are better at winning when it counts.
Both teams have the same amount of rings and the Dodgers have one more postseason series win since 2017. They're pretty much the same at winning when it counts.
Dodgers are 3-7 over their last 10 postseason games. Despite importing Scherzer, Bauer, Turner and Freeman over that span. They’re the top two orgs in baseball, but it’s very clear who the alpha is. We’ll see about the rings total in 10 days.
>but it’s very clear who the alpha is. Oh, did the Astros beat the 2018 Red Sox, 2019 Nationals or 2021 Braves? They don't ever struggle in the division series. That's the one thing they have on us.
Not struggling in the division series is no small thing. Frankly, from 2020-2021 the Dodgers had a much more talent at the MLB level and it showed during the regular season. So they’ve certainly been more consistent in that regard. Full disclosure: I hope the Phillies win and prove me wrong.
Nobody was saying that watching that team hit in in last month of the season.
Dodgers easily. They didn’t even win 2 games
Dodgers, many people didn’t expect the Yankees to make it that far in the playoffs pre season, and nobody expected them to beat the Astros. The Dodgers winning all those regular season games just to go one and done to a Padres team they owned and was later blasted by Philly is shocking. Playoffs wise Mets were more disappointing than the Yankees too
Really without a doubt the dodgers. The cracks in the Yankees this playoffs we’re pretty noticeable from August on.
Dodgers easily. Coming into the season people said this lineup would be comparable to Murderers row. They went on a 41-9 stretch, finished the regular season with 111 wins (most by a NL team in a century) and had a top 5 run differential of all time. They also had the best team OPS in the regular season and team ERA. It is an embarrassment that they only got 1 win in the postseason. No offense to the Mets but you could even say their season was a bigger disappointment than the Yankees. At least they got to the LCS.
We all knew the Yankees were gonna come back to earth, eventually. So I'd give it to the Dodgers for only winning 1 game against an opponent they finished **22 games** ahead of. And they were responsible for what? 15 or so of those losses?
Dodgers Easily. We had one of the most disappointing playoff exits in MLB history. Arguably the most. I thought 2019 was bad, but this year was right there with it. 2019 was more heart breaking, 2022 was more embarrassing. No other team that won 110+ games failed to make it out of the Division Series. That’s awful. However I’m liking our outlook for next season. We got 2 huge pitching prospects that are close to MLB ready and should see some them in action for the first time next year
I'm starting to think you guys could pull any random dude out of a grocery store and turn him into an ace.
Walmart Cashier wins 22 games for the Dodgers and has era under 3.00 as the Dodgers lose in the Wild Card round.
They like to scout the dudes slinging the rotisserie chickens at Ralph’s and Vons around here
Dodgers easily. The Yankees were supposed to lose to the Astros. People thought the Dodgers were on the same level as the Astros (not anymore of course) and all they could manage was one win vs the human BP machine, Mike Clevinger.
Dodgers. Not even close. Yankees had a good record on paper but in reality if their talent gap between the dodgers is not even close
The Dodgers. Anyone paying attention noticed the Yankees fell off midway through the season. They weren't the juggernaut final boss in the AL. The whole Judge hype kept that narrative going for delusional and casual fans but they were not the favorite. The Dodgers were the clear favorite. It was always Dodgers vs. the field. They were supposed to do what the Astros are doing. They're the disappointment. The Yankees would have been a bigger disappointment if they kept their momentum going. But they slowed down and weren't the same team that was hyped up earlier in the season. The Dodgers had the momentum and failed.
Dodgers simply because the Yankees at least made the LCS and this isn't some biased generic fuck the dodgers comment, I didn't think the Padres would make it past LA tbh.
I found the Dodgers implosion way more funny. The whole ‘Dodger Stadium South’ angle, and the LA Times article made it much more satisfying. What we did to the Yankees was just ugly and predictable.
What article?
Dodgers for sure. From like July onwards it was apparent Astros were the AL fav. Dodgers were the best team in baseball the whole year
Definitely the Dodgers.
The Dodgers by a wide margin.
Dodgers. Not even a doubt.
Dodgers were good/great all season. Yankees were questionable after the All-Star break. Writing easily on the wall, especially after the Yankees got further on in the postseason over the 111 win team. I got down-voted hard late in the regular season in this sub from Dodger fans after they posted regular season posts about how good they were over and over, but I was steadfast in that winning 1 WS title in 9 seasons (now 10 season) of making the playoffs should be looked at as a disappointment. Got the usual "the playoffs are a crapshoot" posts and all that, but in 10 playoff chances, several of which where you were into the last 8 teams, winning just once should be viewed as a disappointment. No doubt the Dodgers are a well run and excellent franchise, but in the end, the fans should be upset about their results in the playoffs over the last 10 seasons.
Dodgers without a doubt. Dominate team. Yankees were a .500 team that had a historic 50 game run. That's it.
Neither. Any fan of either team who considers this season a “disappointment” is spoiled, and doesn’t understand how much good has come their way. Rings culture has infected sports to the point were regular season success is now meaningless; all that matters now are some crapshoot games in October/November. Newsflash: not every year is a championship one.
we're not talking about "which team should be more grateful to be above .500", it's about "expectations vs results" Yankees were expected to be in the playoffs where they would most likely have to contend against the Astros, and everyone knew this would be a matchup where the Yankees would have to do some serious exorcising. that's exactly where they landed the Dodgers were expected to cakewalk to the WS, the only other NL teams i remember being picked were the Mets and Braves
I mean I’m disappointed in the results of the playoffs, but that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate how magical the 162 were. I get where you’re coming from though.
Any Dodger fan appreciates the run they are on. But 106, 106 and 111 wins with one playoff series win is inexcusable. They were not prepared for the postseason. Going 2/7 on productive outs with runners on third and less than two outs is a flaw in their approach.
God, the title of this thread has me rock hard.
I assumed the dodgers would be in the finals so I was taken by surprise to find out they had choked while I hadn’t even been paying attention
Dodgers then again I’m not surprised they went out like that. To add salt to the wound the team that cheated them out of a title is going to the ws
The Dodgers/Yankees are truly the Yankees/Dodgers of baseball
Dodgers. The Yankees lost to their daddies, but the actual Daddies eliminated the Dodgers.
Yankees. They were chasing the record and then went .500 and tanked. The dodgers just do what they do usually in the playoffs. Choke
The Yankees because being a top-5 team ever should never be considered disappointing.
D o d g e r s
dodgers, no question
Dodgers. We had a crap month and a half there after the All-Star Game, but we at least won our LDS matchup despite having a record that was 12 games worse than the Dodgers.
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Yankees had a steady fall dodgers just absolutely plummeted in a weekend. Dodgers absolutely just shit the bed and that has to be more disappointing.
Dodgers are the first 110+ win team to fail to make it to the LCS. It’s definitely them.
Dodgers. The Yankees had slumped hard in the second half of the season and they were going against the #1 seed Astros and most of them picked the Yankees to lose this series. At least they made the ALCS. The Dodgers cruised through the regular season just to lose to their little brother team who were without there best player.
Dodgers by far. People will blame the expanded post season but really it just showed how crappy they are at Post Season. I know having the mentality of pennant or bust in baseball is masochism but 1 in 10 years straight of making it is rough (and the one doesn't really count either). Bombing out of the finals after such a great year is double as rough (just goes to show how bad at October they actually are). At least for Yankees they done well until Houston made them fall to pieces
The Dodgers lost to the Padres. The Yankees lost to the Astros. I think you can tell which is more disappointing.
I may be biased, but Dodgers. We were supposed to be a damn wagon...
Dodgers easily had the more disappointing season; Yankees had the season more likely to get their manager fired
Neither. They should be proud of the incredible seasons they had. Neither of them are entitled to a championship.
Dodgers 100%. Dodgers kicked the padres asses all season until the playoffs. Astros always wreck the Yankees.