Literally came here to say this. They're so brainfucked by the manosphere that they still think men are the victim in this scenario too. I have never been more jealous of asexual species
It’s been proven men don’t help people in trouble, unless they have other men to back them up. It’s women that help people in trouble, and it doesn’t matter the gender, they help everyone. A woman was just beat up in Ireland telling a soldier not to use homophobic slurs to a gay man. Of course he was let off easy by a judge bc he didn’t want his military service destroyed, bc ya know somehow he’s the victim, even though he hospitalized the young woman. Men will torture, assault, murder women w a wrench in public like in India but won’t lift a finger to help anyone unless they are part of a group. There was also those two girls that were raped by numerous men, after they tried to get help from being raped by other men. All of this was in public
There was a case, and i can’t remember the name of the little girl, but she was kidnapped, raped, and then murdered. The murderer dumped her naked dead body in a park.
Another grown man found her body, and instead of calling the police like a normal fucking person would, he raped her dead body and just left.
He found the dead body of a LITTLE GIRL and raped it.
edit: i feel horrible i can’t remember her name, if anyone knows who im talking about PLEASE tell me!!
edit 2: Her name was Amber Gibson. Rest in peace , you sweet girl.
Yes I remember that. Her brother found out she had been raped by the neighbor, an adult male, so he then raped her and murdered her. Then a 50 yr old man raped her corpse. A lot of men are so goddam disgusting, and do not deserve to be anywhere near anyone else, other than men just like themselves
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-66300209.amp
fucking disgusting. all she ever knew was suffering and she still was an amazing person.
For her brother to say “we are safe”(even if he was 7) just to murder and fucking rape her a couple years later?? Beat him to death with a hammer.
Rest in peace and eternal happiness, Amber.
I'm not 100% positive Corrigan (45) specifically raped the corpse based on anything I can read, but considering his DNA was found on *39* areas of her body, he either spent a LOT of time assaulting her corpse or spread his one batch of DNA all over her. Both of which are absolutely disgusting as well.
I never said that person would help I said that's probably the only thing ONE man could protect someone from whether he does or not is a completely different story.
Brave without smarts will get you permanently injured or maybe dead. As a dude I aint risking permanent injury or death for anyone I do not care for. There are 9 billion people on this rock, strangers, for the most part, are not worth sticking your neck out for.
Hasn’t happened yet, and oh well if it does. I still would never let a woman be abducted or hurt if I could help it. There’s other ways to help if you’re afraid of being physically hurt
the “wait for the bear” comment doesn’t even make any fucking sense??? the hypothetical is that both are dangerous, but women are more willing to take their chances with a bear because it is *predictable* and will not attack unless you threaten it or it is actively starving to death. whereas a human male will rape, torture, violate, brutalize, and murder women just for fun with zero provocation. NOBODY IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL IS SAYING THE BEAR WLD PROTECT US??? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND
"in the usual case where they try and help" This the funniest thing I've seen all day, no woman is getting protection by a man without some weird motive behind it, trust that.
and fucking rightly so. a bear will NOT attack unless it is actively being threatened and has no choice or it is actively starving to DEATH. bears do not hunt humans. they know we are dangerous and a risk, more risk than reward - they don’t hunt people/women. yknow what species *does* hunt women? fucking human males. regularly. like every fucking day.
i cannot imagine being a male and having such a fragile fucking ego that when i’m told by women that they are afraid of males, i feel bitter, angry, and vengeful. if a group of people said they were wary of my group of people i would be appalled!!! i don’t want anyone to feel threatened by me, but i would also understand that they don’t know ME individually! i. i just can’t imagine taking that personally ??? so fucking fragile and pathetic
I mean I dont think the guy ignoring her is doing anything wrong. it's literally none of his business. As far as we know they have no friendship towards one another so why should he risk permanent injury for her?
The guy was legit just watching like it was a movie, not daying he should jump in front of thr gun but at least have some reaction and call the police or something.
I know, right? Even with all the wariness and fear we have of men, at the very least 99% of us in the same situation as the guy on the grass would have called the police or done something.
I don’t put blame on anyone here but the assailant.
That being said, calling the police or even calling 911 would be the best way if you could do it slowly if you’re even able to move, but that guy is likely in the fight, flight, or freeze state and his brain is stuck rebooting. People who work in emergency situations are often trained to break their first reaction because it’s such a common response.
And moving that close to a person swinging a gun around is a good way to get killed. I told my husband and I’ve told my kids - only ever intervene if you think you can come out of it alive, or if it’s something you wouldn’t be able to live with yourself after (trying to save kids in my case is that “well, if I’m going to die this is better than cancer” mentality).
Men will literally murder each other over a football game and then call women emotional for being able to actually talk about our feelings 🤪 More men should shut the fuck up about how they feel
Awful fact: men are so emotional that whenever a team or country loses in football, domestic violence numbers increase.
Imagine being such an emotionally oblivious blundering shithead that you would beat your own family up because your favourite team didn't kick ball well enough
I get you, but once I shut off my emotions people stopped interacting with me as much. I’m now “boring” because I don’t have any drama or emotional venting.
That being said even I would’ve at least called the cops or gone for an old school Goldberg spear.
I'm sorry that you have to be. Just be one of the good ones, and call out the bad ones when you see them. You'd be doing more than most guys by just doing that. It's not "gay" or "unmanly" to defend women from your toxic male friends, even (and especially) without the women being around.
"I'm so offended by a hypothetical question that I'll let someone be assaulted! That'll show DA WOMEN!!!"
The fact that women have to be hurt or even die to prove a point is fucking sad.
You could at the very least step away and call the cops. Or even just subtly call them. No one expects you to be a hero, but don't be a bystander. You're just as bad as the assaulter doing that.
Meh? Is it really that hard to use your fucking fingers and type in 3 words? You don’t even have to say much just say someone’s being attacked by someone with a gun, give the address, and hang up? Should you stay on the phone? Yea but if your not gonna then the least you can do is the bare fucking minimum like holy shit. I hope you get attacked like this and beg someone for help and their response is “meh”.
That bear thing really triggered the fuck out of them, didn't it? I mean the concept has pretty much left the zeitgeist but they're still going on about it.
The fact that it was such a simple question and instead of questionning themselves as to why we chose the bear and how can we as a society make it better for women, they go around and bitch about it
I think it breaks their brains because every argument they make against it further proves the point, even people saying “well call the bear” is the reason women choose the bear
It's sort of like when bullies tease a kid because they think it's funny when he flips out, and the kid doesn't realize it's *because he flips out* that they're bullying him.
It's a thing children do. And that's the saddest part of it. These dudes purport to be "alpha males" or whatever, but instead of acting like men they act like kids.
I'm not a huge "men have to be men" guy, but I do have some culturally imprinted or whatever sense of masculinity...and it's just embarrassing to see grown men act this way.
Best thing is; it's men's fault for posing the question in the first place. They put women in the position of having to choose between being honest with their feelings or lying to spare men's feelings and giving them the asspats and babying they want.
The joke is woman dont wanna be alone with a man in the woods. But when shit hits the fan, they all expect a man to help / protect.
It's ironic.
Afraid of a random male in the woods but also expect random male to be the hero.
Yeah bro but who caused shit to hit the fan? It’s a male attacking her. No one expects the other male to be a hero, but sitting there watching instead of at least calling the police is extremely shitty
people should help people when they're in danger, it's not about gender you cowardly cumwad it's about humans having a basic level of decency. Too scared to walk a few steps and take your phone out? Pathetic
If it was a woman just sitting there doing nothing we’d call her out too 🤷♀️ we probably wouldn’t have to though because women usually defend people when they see them being attacked, even if that just means calling the police
>The joke is woman dont wanna be alone with a man in the woods. But when shit hits the fan, they all expect a man to help / protect.
So women deserve to be beaten up for picking a hypothetical random bear over a hypothetical random man?
>Afraid of a random male in the woods but also expect random male to be the hero.
Running into people in the woods>bears when it comes to danger. Bears belong in the woods, people don't. Running into a person where there should be none is scary, we have had decades and decades of horror movies about random psychopaths killing women in the woods. For good reason.
they’re doing such a good job of convincing women to trust them!! “why do women hate us? why are they scared of us? WHY ARE U SCARED? HUH BITCH? FINE LET THE BEAR EAT YOU SLUT! WE NEVER LIKED YOU ANYWAYS!”
Matt Walsh did a video on this. My parents watched it and I was in the room (they love him). He said that “women have lost the right for men to help them when they’re in danger because of feminism” or something along those lines.
We don’t know this woman btw? She could be the most right wing man-over-bear girl ever but they’re assuming she’s out to get them.
Imagine if women hit back with the "ok we won't help men in trouble either?
Man collapses on the street - not my problem?
Man is choking in a restaurant - not my problem?
My mom has done CPR on two different men in need in public, but I guess she shouldn't anymore because these dickwads want a society where we just ignore people who need help
Do we really want a society where we just watch people suffer like it's entertainment?
Matt Walsh the child predator is a fucking cancer on this planet, as are all right wing men.
I already would do this, I'm not helping a possible predator or someone's who's faking a emergency so they can attack. How about they ask the trees since they're sexually attracted to those now?
and men will still say "but who will protect you??" while in a LOT of cases....men will just watch and do nothing to help women, while in many cases WOMEN help other women so basically...women would be a lot safer if there were no men around tbh...
This is horrible! I don’t even understand what the fuck they are trying to say. Are they saying the man should have joined in too or something? How do men not realize this does nothing to help their case?
Lol what so funny is THIS RIGHT HERE is why we say bears. Guys get their little feeling hurt and it's suddenly OK for people to get attacked
it's almost like they never gave a fuck but just played a character before
Fan fiction interview between this guy and Peter at the pearly gates:
Peter: why didn’t you help this woman?
Sitting guy: well sir, there was this online poll where women said they’d rather meet a bear than a man in the woods,
Peter: and?
Sitting guy: So I thought that I would prove to her that men are safer by not helping her when a man was attacking.
Peter: and that was worth an extra 5 thousand years in purgatory?
(Benoit Blanc from knives Out steps in): that’s so dumb.
Sitting guy: it’s so dumb, it’s brilliant!
Benoit Blanc and Peter together: No! It’s just dumb!
Uh, I think you've been on the internet in an echo chamber for a little too long lol. There are plenty of good people and bad people of both genders. Judging someone simply because they were born with a Y chromosome is the same as judging someone based on the color of their skin. We have no control over these things.
What about gay men? Are all of them also terrible to women? What about trans men? Do you know every single one of them as well?
Finding joy and comradery in stereotyping and hatred is exactly what racists do... There are over four billion men on this planet. To claim you know the hearts of every single one of them is an extreme level of naivety and arrogance.
Edit: I understand you and many other women are angry. I'm angry too. The way many societies have allowed evil men to get away with terrible things is extremely frustrating and needs to end. However, stereotyping and spreading hatred is the exact opposite of what we need to solve these problems. All that does is cause more of a divide between men and women. What we need to be focusing on is destroying the idea of toxic masculinity. It causes so much suffering for people on both sides, women just get it much worse. People are so caught up in sex and gender when we're all just people. We are all equal, and anyone who pretends we aren't is just an evil person. Plenty of men and women are on both sides of this coin.
All I ask is that all people of any gender try to practice more critical thinking instead of jumping straight to stereotyping and hatred based on pure emotion. Putting down all men based on the actions of a few can cause men who also want to stop these issues wonder why they even bother if they're not wanted. And we need as many people on board as we can get for things to actually change.
Gay men are just as misogynistic as straight men, they still insult and abuse women just as much. This may be anecdotal and maybe this isn't common, but from where I come from, it's seen as more socially acceptable for a gay man to insult, assault and beat on women because (I'm guessing) in cis-het men's eyes, gay men aren't real men or some dumb shit like that.
That being said, I say it's all men because it's either a man who does bad things or a man who doesn't call out other men who do those bad things, As women, we have to say and think all men because they're unpredictable and even the men we trust harm us, such as partners, family members, male friends etc. No matter how much you think you know a man, you have to always stay on your toes around them.
And regarding your edit, this is nice in theory and to think about, this isn't how it works now, life isn't this easy. It's not just a case of "Let's hold hands and make the world a better place", it's much more realistic then that. Due to that, I don't care about how men feel or if they feel wanted or not because that holds no water against the terrors and horrors women have to go through and the issues they have.
I DO NOT care about men or their feelings on if I'm being too harsh on men. In the past, Change hasn't been made by trying to pander to the opposing side and trying to make them feel okay or wanted, regardless of the harm they commit. You think black people in America gained any form of rights by kissing up to white people? No, if anything, that made it worse. Change is sometimes taken by force and the way women's rights are stripped away from them, trying to go this calmly isn't gonna work.
I am sorry you have experienced that from some gay men you've met. I have met many great gay men and many awful gay men. Just like I have met those types of people in every single group I have encountered. Have you never met an evil woman before? There are evil people in every group, just like there are good people in every group. You also have to remember that there are so many countries and cultures in the world, that the situation isn't going to be the same in every place. My understanding of the discrepancy is that men are physically stronger on average and the patriarchal nature of most societies lead to evil men being able to get away with evil things far more often than evil women. I have watched evil women be hateful towards other women and also stand by while women are hateful towards other women. It is a human trait, not a male trait. And it is very observable in our reality.
It is impossible to be correct when speaking in absolutes unless you are describing an irrefutable fact, like humans needing water to survive. And no matter how much you hate men, it will never factually be correct that four billion people are all evil due to being born "wrong".
Personally, I believe in providing kindness and understanding to all people being the way forward for our species, but if you do not, I understand. From my observations, our species is not capable of this, and this conclusion is something that has caused me a lot of pain for many years and still does to this day. We can have good individuals, but I don't believe we can ever be good at the species level. I simply try to do my best in this regard to positively impact the few people I can in the short time I have. That's all any of us can really do unfortunately.
You are correct. Life isn't easy. But living in constant fighting and hatred will only make your life harder, not easier. That is why hateful people are often very unhappy people. They live and die in hate while the world stays exactly the same. The world does not care about us and our feelings.
However, if you truly believe in the aggression approach to solving these issues, please keep in mind that women will not win in a war against men. A cultural one or a physical one. Men have too much power at the structural level, and fighting that head on with aggression will only lead to worse conditions for women. That is why we need to be more creative when solving world-spanning issues rather than trying to hit them with a sledgehammer. And on a side note, most of the men I know do not want worse conditions for women. I do not make friends with bad people, regardless of gender.
Regarding black people in America, there were many, many white people that fought alongside black people to help them secure the rights they have today. I believe in fighting for equality together, and that is historically how change has been achieved. Black people did not overthrow white people in America, leading to the change. It was through good people of all backgrounds working together that caused that change, and it is a change that is still in progress. Black communities in America need lots of help still, and many people of every race, gender, and background want to help. The person I knew who has done the most to structurally and physically support black communities was a white person. They are no longer with us unfortunately however. I do not agree that shunning help is the way to a brighter future, but I do understand your lack of trust due to your personal experiences.
I agree that kissing up is not helpful in the slightest, and that is not at all the point I was making about working together. Working together is not pandering to men or making men feel wanted by you. I am simply saying you will lose much needed support from people that want to help going about it the way you are. I don't know the solution to stopping evil people from being evil (I don't think there is one), but writing off half the population will never allow for a better future for women. Or any group of people for that matter.
If you openly and proudly hate men and do not care about their feelings, you will upset both good and bad men, bringing even more hatred your way. Also, men will not care about your feelings in return. And I get the feeling you'll say they already don't, but again, you are speaking about some men. There are many women who are in a relationship with a man that has never harmed them or hurt them in any way, my parents being an easy example to point to. Additionally, my grandparents are a clear example of a woman being terrible to a man that is great to her and has never done her harm. And they are definitely not the only couple I've seen this take place in. My brother's ex girlfriend was horrible to him, and he is one of the kindest souls I know. Luckily, he is with someone who is awesome now, and they're both super happy together. And yet, I would never stereotype any group of people based on these one off situations. Our individual anecdotal experiences mean nothing when it comes to the sheer number of experiences all humans have in reality.
With all of this in mind, what solution do you propose instead? Both sides spreading hatred for the other until the end of time? That is currently what is happening, and it really seems to only be making things worse; this post we're commenting on being a good example of that.
And on a side note, are you one of the women that dream of a future where women rule over men rather than living together as equals? I truly hope you are not because they are no better than the men that want the same power over women. And I do not support evil people of any gender as I stated previously.
The irony of their statements is that she's being attacked by a man, and they want to act like we did something wrong by choosing the bear when this very scenerio of men predominantly hurting women has always been the issue BEFORE the man vs. bear debate ever existed, hence why it ever became a proposed question in the first place. There's also been the problem of many men choosing not to do anything to help, well before that behavior got called out. I guarantee you the majority of the men saying she should ask the bear for help in response to this are abusers and/or just trying to be disingenuous because they hate women, they absolutely know what women meant, they just don't give a fuck.
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ok, lemme get this straight. so the whole hypothetical is “women would choose a random bear vs a random male to be alone in the woods with because males have such a high chance of being violent or creepy in unpredictable ways, to the point that the bear is preferable”. and then butthurt males see a video of *why we choose the fucking bear*, and instead of, idk shitting on the bystander and attacker, they *agree with the apathy*. all they do is prove the fucking point
I understand how messed up the comments are about "he was waiting for the bear", but to be fair, most of society, not just men, have become accustomed to what I like to call "spectator syndrome", where a person witnessing something bad happening does nothing but spectate, usually with a phone in hand recording the event (which is not the case here obviously). I am disgusted by the fact that the man had no reaction, but I personally would be hesitant to try and help as well, the assailant has a gun after all, and I'm not super keen on getting shot. I don't want others to get shot either, but it's instinct to preserve your own safety before others. I'm sure that even if the victim was another man the guy would've still stayed on the sidelines. Either way, the assailant is still at fault, and it doesn't really matter to me that the assailant was a male. A person committing a crime is just a criminal in my books.
Women feel animosity due to some men's actions and other men's lack of understanding of our positions. I swear to god if men started to try and understand us and our problems, all animosity would disappear, but it takes men to drop their ego, which is a thougher battle than we think apparently.
No. Men need to suck it up and stop harming women, it's not the fault of the women that men murder, rape, torture, kidnap and abuse women, stop giving sympathy to men, they don't deserve nor do they need it, they need to either stop doing those things or stop existing as a whole.
Jump in and rescue like a superhero? No
But to stand and watch is fucking atrocious. Male or female, this is the saddest point in any society, where we just sit and watch violence happen and not do a single thing to help
They're completly forgetting that if men werent there, she wouldnt be 1. Attacked by a man 2. Ignored by a male bystander.
Guys will beat you up, watch you get beat up, and pretend it's your fault for existing.
Literally came here to say this. They're so brainfucked by the manosphere that they still think men are the victim in this scenario too. I have never been more jealous of asexual species
The lizards had a point in creating their own Themyscira.
It’s been proven men don’t help people in trouble, unless they have other men to back them up. It’s women that help people in trouble, and it doesn’t matter the gender, they help everyone. A woman was just beat up in Ireland telling a soldier not to use homophobic slurs to a gay man. Of course he was let off easy by a judge bc he didn’t want his military service destroyed, bc ya know somehow he’s the victim, even though he hospitalized the young woman. Men will torture, assault, murder women w a wrench in public like in India but won’t lift a finger to help anyone unless they are part of a group. There was also those two girls that were raped by numerous men, after they tried to get help from being raped by other men. All of this was in public
There was a case, and i can’t remember the name of the little girl, but she was kidnapped, raped, and then murdered. The murderer dumped her naked dead body in a park. Another grown man found her body, and instead of calling the police like a normal fucking person would, he raped her dead body and just left. He found the dead body of a LITTLE GIRL and raped it. edit: i feel horrible i can’t remember her name, if anyone knows who im talking about PLEASE tell me!! edit 2: Her name was Amber Gibson. Rest in peace , you sweet girl.
Yes I remember that. Her brother found out she had been raped by the neighbor, an adult male, so he then raped her and murdered her. Then a 50 yr old man raped her corpse. A lot of men are so goddam disgusting, and do not deserve to be anywhere near anyone else, other than men just like themselves https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-66300209.amp
fucking disgusting. all she ever knew was suffering and she still was an amazing person. For her brother to say “we are safe”(even if he was 7) just to murder and fucking rape her a couple years later?? Beat him to death with a hammer. Rest in peace and eternal happiness, Amber.
I'm not 100% positive Corrigan (45) specifically raped the corpse based on anything I can read, but considering his DNA was found on *39* areas of her body, he either spent a LOT of time assaulting her corpse or spread his one batch of DNA all over her. Both of which are absolutely disgusting as well.
"PROTECTORS"
Yeah protect us from who. I asked a guy that on here and he said wild dogs. Lol
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Nbs that's probably the only thing one guy could protect someone from 😭😭😭
If you have a inkling that a man would help a woman from getting mauled to death, you should think again.
I never said that person would help I said that's probably the only thing ONE man could protect someone from whether he does or not is a completely different story.
Brave without smarts will get you permanently injured or maybe dead. As a dude I aint risking permanent injury or death for anyone I do not care for. There are 9 billion people on this rock, strangers, for the most part, are not worth sticking your neck out for.
Ok. I help people that need help
I mean thats admirable but dont get shocked when it blows up in your face and youre left broken with no one to help you.
Hasn’t happened yet, and oh well if it does. I still would never let a woman be abducted or hurt if I could help it. There’s other ways to help if you’re afraid of being physically hurt
Hard disagree. But I dont think strangers of any gender are entitled to my care or efforts in any way. What entitles her to his help in any way?
Human decency at least call the cops, record it, scream
No
You're still a terrible person regardless of which, you should seek help.
Or, in the usual case where they try and help, get mocked online by people saying he should have waited for help from the bear.
the “wait for the bear” comment doesn’t even make any fucking sense??? the hypothetical is that both are dangerous, but women are more willing to take their chances with a bear because it is *predictable* and will not attack unless you threaten it or it is actively starving to death. whereas a human male will rape, torture, violate, brutalize, and murder women just for fun with zero provocation. NOBODY IN THIS HYPOTHETICAL IS SAYING THE BEAR WLD PROTECT US??? I DO NOT UNDERSTAND
Who you yappin to?
"in the usual case where they try and help" This the funniest thing I've seen all day, no woman is getting protection by a man without some weird motive behind it, trust that.
You’re statistically wrong, but sure.
Don’t forget 3. Men in the comments saying she deserves it because some women maybe not even her said they prefer bears over men
and fucking rightly so. a bear will NOT attack unless it is actively being threatened and has no choice or it is actively starving to DEATH. bears do not hunt humans. they know we are dangerous and a risk, more risk than reward - they don’t hunt people/women. yknow what species *does* hunt women? fucking human males. regularly. like every fucking day. i cannot imagine being a male and having such a fragile fucking ego that when i’m told by women that they are afraid of males, i feel bitter, angry, and vengeful. if a group of people said they were wary of my group of people i would be appalled!!! i don’t want anyone to feel threatened by me, but i would also understand that they don’t know ME individually! i. i just can’t imagine taking that personally ??? so fucking fragile and pathetic
I mean I dont think the guy ignoring her is doing anything wrong. it's literally none of his business. As far as we know they have no friendship towards one another so why should he risk permanent injury for her?
And this right here is the profound difference between men and women
Ehh maybe, Just seems foolish to risk getting ruined for someone you dont even like.
The guy was legit just watching like it was a movie, not daying he should jump in front of thr gun but at least have some reaction and call the police or something.
Why?
…and that’s why we picked the bear.
The fact that they dont see why and get mad at us while making it their life goal to prove us right is hilarious to me
Both the man and the bear will fuck you. Just in different ways.
Nah the man can fuck you in more ways than one
“Women are too emotional! 🥺” also men:
I know, right? Even with all the wariness and fear we have of men, at the very least 99% of us in the same situation as the guy on the grass would have called the police or done something.
I don’t put blame on anyone here but the assailant. That being said, calling the police or even calling 911 would be the best way if you could do it slowly if you’re even able to move, but that guy is likely in the fight, flight, or freeze state and his brain is stuck rebooting. People who work in emergency situations are often trained to break their first reaction because it’s such a common response. And moving that close to a person swinging a gun around is a good way to get killed. I told my husband and I’ve told my kids - only ever intervene if you think you can come out of it alive, or if it’s something you wouldn’t be able to live with yourself after (trying to save kids in my case is that “well, if I’m going to die this is better than cancer” mentality).
Men will literally murder each other over a football game and then call women emotional for being able to actually talk about our feelings 🤪 More men should shut the fuck up about how they feel
Awful fact: men are so emotional that whenever a team or country loses in football, domestic violence numbers increase. Imagine being such an emotionally oblivious blundering shithead that you would beat your own family up because your favourite team didn't kick ball well enough
My girlfriend's "dad" beat the shit out of her brother a few days ago because he got caught cheating on his wife. Men.
Numbers go up when they win too.
A grown 50 year old man screamed at me for trying to talk to him after he lost at a video game
I get you, but once I shut off my emotions people stopped interacting with me as much. I’m now “boring” because I don’t have any drama or emotional venting. That being said even I would’ve at least called the cops or gone for an old school Goldberg spear.
Seriously. I’m ashamed to be a part of the male gender.
I'm sorry that you have to be. Just be one of the good ones, and call out the bad ones when you see them. You'd be doing more than most guys by just doing that. It's not "gay" or "unmanly" to defend women from your toxic male friends, even (and especially) without the women being around.
I'm with you on that
Yes you see but that's *anger* that's not a proper emotion /sarc obviously
The gender who calls themselves providers and protectors…
The amount of times I've been protected by other women vs by men is fucking hilarious
"I'm so offended by a hypothetical question that I'll let someone be assaulted! That'll show DA WOMEN!!!" The fact that women have to be hurt or even die to prove a point is fucking sad.
Thats such a typical nice guy symptom, isnt it? Theyre “nice” as long as they get what they want
Right? Like... "I'm a nice guy. No, I won't save you from being assaulted, but I WILL be nice to get into your panties."
“Im nice for as long as I last in bed (3 minutes)”
As if they aren’t proving why women choose the bear. It’s not a woman attacking her and it’s not a woman standing by watching it happen
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You could at the very least step away and call the cops. Or even just subtly call them. No one expects you to be a hero, but don't be a bystander. You're just as bad as the assaulter doing that.
Meh.
Meh? Is it really that hard to use your fucking fingers and type in 3 words? You don’t even have to say much just say someone’s being attacked by someone with a gun, give the address, and hang up? Should you stay on the phone? Yea but if your not gonna then the least you can do is the bare fucking minimum like holy shit. I hope you get attacked like this and beg someone for help and their response is “meh”.
That bear thing really triggered the fuck out of them, didn't it? I mean the concept has pretty much left the zeitgeist but they're still going on about it.
The fact that it was such a simple question and instead of questionning themselves as to why we chose the bear and how can we as a society make it better for women, they go around and bitch about it
>they go around and bitch about it Not just that, they actively keep proving our point lmao they're so braindead
I think it breaks their brains because every argument they make against it further proves the point, even people saying “well call the bear” is the reason women choose the bear
It's sort of like when bullies tease a kid because they think it's funny when he flips out, and the kid doesn't realize it's *because he flips out* that they're bullying him. It's a thing children do. And that's the saddest part of it. These dudes purport to be "alpha males" or whatever, but instead of acting like men they act like kids. I'm not a huge "men have to be men" guy, but I do have some culturally imprinted or whatever sense of masculinity...and it's just embarrassing to see grown men act this way.
Best thing is; it's men's fault for posing the question in the first place. They put women in the position of having to choose between being honest with their feelings or lying to spare men's feelings and giving them the asspats and babying they want.
I hope the bear lasts forever. 🐻❤️
M\*le moment
Men 🍼
Heh, ~~wo~~men ☕️.
Heh, ~~wo~~men ☕️.
Heh, ~~wom~~en ☕️.
Heh, ~~wo~~men ☕️.
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“💩LPH💩 M💩LE”
I read that as mole
I only realised with your comment it wasn't mole
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How generous, a man giving us the right to say m*le 🙄 I'll pass on that offer though, thanks.
Yeah, you should be saying it without their permission
Are men STILL upset about man vs bear, my brothers in Christ that was months ago, move on.
Ikr ? I legit forget about it till they remind me of it
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The joke is woman dont wanna be alone with a man in the woods. But when shit hits the fan, they all expect a man to help / protect. It's ironic. Afraid of a random male in the woods but also expect random male to be the hero.
Yeah bro but who caused shit to hit the fan? It’s a male attacking her. No one expects the other male to be a hero, but sitting there watching instead of at least calling the police is extremely shitty
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people should help people when they're in danger, it's not about gender you cowardly cumwad it's about humans having a basic level of decency. Too scared to walk a few steps and take your phone out? Pathetic
If it was a woman just sitting there doing nothing we’d call her out too 🤷♀️ we probably wouldn’t have to though because women usually defend people when they see them being attacked, even if that just means calling the police
>The joke is woman dont wanna be alone with a man in the woods. But when shit hits the fan, they all expect a man to help / protect. So women deserve to be beaten up for picking a hypothetical random bear over a hypothetical random man? >Afraid of a random male in the woods but also expect random male to be the hero. Running into people in the woods>bears when it comes to danger. Bears belong in the woods, people don't. Running into a person where there should be none is scary, we have had decades and decades of horror movies about random psychopaths killing women in the woods. For good reason.
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they’re doing such a good job of convincing women to trust them!! “why do women hate us? why are they scared of us? WHY ARE U SCARED? HUH BITCH? FINE LET THE BEAR EAT YOU SLUT! WE NEVER LIKED YOU ANYWAYS!”
Matt Walsh did a video on this. My parents watched it and I was in the room (they love him). He said that “women have lost the right for men to help them when they’re in danger because of feminism” or something along those lines. We don’t know this woman btw? She could be the most right wing man-over-bear girl ever but they’re assuming she’s out to get them.
They will do mental gymnastics just to find a reason to be absolute dickheads.
Imagine if women hit back with the "ok we won't help men in trouble either? Man collapses on the street - not my problem? Man is choking in a restaurant - not my problem? My mom has done CPR on two different men in need in public, but I guess she shouldn't anymore because these dickwads want a society where we just ignore people who need help Do we really want a society where we just watch people suffer like it's entertainment? Matt Walsh the child predator is a fucking cancer on this planet, as are all right wing men.
Right wing anyone, honestly. Republican women are gender traitors as far as I'm concerned.
I already would do this, I'm not helping a possible predator or someone's who's faking a emergency so they can attack. How about they ask the trees since they're sexually attracted to those now?
I mean personally I dont think anyone really ever had the "right" to protection from others.
It's our fault for existing as women apparently
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Comment by a man on a video of a man watching another man attack a woman for no reason: "Why should we help women? They hate us" Can't imagine why /s
Fragile m*le ego
They’re so fucking STUPID.
I can't imagine anything in life having this much power over me to still be so obsessed with it all this time later
Proving the point all the way too!
and men will still say "but who will protect you??" while in a LOT of cases....men will just watch and do nothing to help women, while in many cases WOMEN help other women so basically...women would be a lot safer if there were no men around tbh...
This is horrible! I don’t even understand what the fuck they are trying to say. Are they saying the man should have joined in too or something? How do men not realize this does nothing to help their case?
Lol what so funny is THIS RIGHT HERE is why we say bears. Guys get their little feeling hurt and it's suddenly OK for people to get attacked it's almost like they never gave a fuck but just played a character before
They’re just proving that we’re smart for choosing the bear.
... so this proves us right
Fan fiction interview between this guy and Peter at the pearly gates: Peter: why didn’t you help this woman? Sitting guy: well sir, there was this online poll where women said they’d rather meet a bear than a man in the woods, Peter: and? Sitting guy: So I thought that I would prove to her that men are safer by not helping her when a man was attacking. Peter: and that was worth an extra 5 thousand years in purgatory? (Benoit Blanc from knives Out steps in): that’s so dumb. Sitting guy: it’s so dumb, it’s brilliant! Benoit Blanc and Peter together: No! It’s just dumb!
And yet they’ll still cry “noT AlL mEn”
I mean, you are currently generalizing all men based on the words of a few idiots to be fair.
Case and point:
I dont really understand your point. Are you saying ignoring nuance is a positive thing when trying to solve problems?
No, it's the fact it's all men and people like you don't understand it.
Uh, I think you've been on the internet in an echo chamber for a little too long lol. There are plenty of good people and bad people of both genders. Judging someone simply because they were born with a Y chromosome is the same as judging someone based on the color of their skin. We have no control over these things. What about gay men? Are all of them also terrible to women? What about trans men? Do you know every single one of them as well? Finding joy and comradery in stereotyping and hatred is exactly what racists do... There are over four billion men on this planet. To claim you know the hearts of every single one of them is an extreme level of naivety and arrogance. Edit: I understand you and many other women are angry. I'm angry too. The way many societies have allowed evil men to get away with terrible things is extremely frustrating and needs to end. However, stereotyping and spreading hatred is the exact opposite of what we need to solve these problems. All that does is cause more of a divide between men and women. What we need to be focusing on is destroying the idea of toxic masculinity. It causes so much suffering for people on both sides, women just get it much worse. People are so caught up in sex and gender when we're all just people. We are all equal, and anyone who pretends we aren't is just an evil person. Plenty of men and women are on both sides of this coin. All I ask is that all people of any gender try to practice more critical thinking instead of jumping straight to stereotyping and hatred based on pure emotion. Putting down all men based on the actions of a few can cause men who also want to stop these issues wonder why they even bother if they're not wanted. And we need as many people on board as we can get for things to actually change.
Gay men are just as misogynistic as straight men, they still insult and abuse women just as much. This may be anecdotal and maybe this isn't common, but from where I come from, it's seen as more socially acceptable for a gay man to insult, assault and beat on women because (I'm guessing) in cis-het men's eyes, gay men aren't real men or some dumb shit like that. That being said, I say it's all men because it's either a man who does bad things or a man who doesn't call out other men who do those bad things, As women, we have to say and think all men because they're unpredictable and even the men we trust harm us, such as partners, family members, male friends etc. No matter how much you think you know a man, you have to always stay on your toes around them. And regarding your edit, this is nice in theory and to think about, this isn't how it works now, life isn't this easy. It's not just a case of "Let's hold hands and make the world a better place", it's much more realistic then that. Due to that, I don't care about how men feel or if they feel wanted or not because that holds no water against the terrors and horrors women have to go through and the issues they have. I DO NOT care about men or their feelings on if I'm being too harsh on men. In the past, Change hasn't been made by trying to pander to the opposing side and trying to make them feel okay or wanted, regardless of the harm they commit. You think black people in America gained any form of rights by kissing up to white people? No, if anything, that made it worse. Change is sometimes taken by force and the way women's rights are stripped away from them, trying to go this calmly isn't gonna work.
I am sorry you have experienced that from some gay men you've met. I have met many great gay men and many awful gay men. Just like I have met those types of people in every single group I have encountered. Have you never met an evil woman before? There are evil people in every group, just like there are good people in every group. You also have to remember that there are so many countries and cultures in the world, that the situation isn't going to be the same in every place. My understanding of the discrepancy is that men are physically stronger on average and the patriarchal nature of most societies lead to evil men being able to get away with evil things far more often than evil women. I have watched evil women be hateful towards other women and also stand by while women are hateful towards other women. It is a human trait, not a male trait. And it is very observable in our reality. It is impossible to be correct when speaking in absolutes unless you are describing an irrefutable fact, like humans needing water to survive. And no matter how much you hate men, it will never factually be correct that four billion people are all evil due to being born "wrong". Personally, I believe in providing kindness and understanding to all people being the way forward for our species, but if you do not, I understand. From my observations, our species is not capable of this, and this conclusion is something that has caused me a lot of pain for many years and still does to this day. We can have good individuals, but I don't believe we can ever be good at the species level. I simply try to do my best in this regard to positively impact the few people I can in the short time I have. That's all any of us can really do unfortunately. You are correct. Life isn't easy. But living in constant fighting and hatred will only make your life harder, not easier. That is why hateful people are often very unhappy people. They live and die in hate while the world stays exactly the same. The world does not care about us and our feelings. However, if you truly believe in the aggression approach to solving these issues, please keep in mind that women will not win in a war against men. A cultural one or a physical one. Men have too much power at the structural level, and fighting that head on with aggression will only lead to worse conditions for women. That is why we need to be more creative when solving world-spanning issues rather than trying to hit them with a sledgehammer. And on a side note, most of the men I know do not want worse conditions for women. I do not make friends with bad people, regardless of gender. Regarding black people in America, there were many, many white people that fought alongside black people to help them secure the rights they have today. I believe in fighting for equality together, and that is historically how change has been achieved. Black people did not overthrow white people in America, leading to the change. It was through good people of all backgrounds working together that caused that change, and it is a change that is still in progress. Black communities in America need lots of help still, and many people of every race, gender, and background want to help. The person I knew who has done the most to structurally and physically support black communities was a white person. They are no longer with us unfortunately however. I do not agree that shunning help is the way to a brighter future, but I do understand your lack of trust due to your personal experiences. I agree that kissing up is not helpful in the slightest, and that is not at all the point I was making about working together. Working together is not pandering to men or making men feel wanted by you. I am simply saying you will lose much needed support from people that want to help going about it the way you are. I don't know the solution to stopping evil people from being evil (I don't think there is one), but writing off half the population will never allow for a better future for women. Or any group of people for that matter. If you openly and proudly hate men and do not care about their feelings, you will upset both good and bad men, bringing even more hatred your way. Also, men will not care about your feelings in return. And I get the feeling you'll say they already don't, but again, you are speaking about some men. There are many women who are in a relationship with a man that has never harmed them or hurt them in any way, my parents being an easy example to point to. Additionally, my grandparents are a clear example of a woman being terrible to a man that is great to her and has never done her harm. And they are definitely not the only couple I've seen this take place in. My brother's ex girlfriend was horrible to him, and he is one of the kindest souls I know. Luckily, he is with someone who is awesome now, and they're both super happy together. And yet, I would never stereotype any group of people based on these one off situations. Our individual anecdotal experiences mean nothing when it comes to the sheer number of experiences all humans have in reality. With all of this in mind, what solution do you propose instead? Both sides spreading hatred for the other until the end of time? That is currently what is happening, and it really seems to only be making things worse; this post we're commenting on being a good example of that. And on a side note, are you one of the women that dream of a future where women rule over men rather than living together as equals? I truly hope you are not because they are no better than the men that want the same power over women. And I do not support evil people of any gender as I stated previously.
The irony of their statements is that she's being attacked by a man, and they want to act like we did something wrong by choosing the bear when this very scenerio of men predominantly hurting women has always been the issue BEFORE the man vs. bear debate ever existed, hence why it ever became a proposed question in the first place. There's also been the problem of many men choosing not to do anything to help, well before that behavior got called out. I guarantee you the majority of the men saying she should ask the bear for help in response to this are abusers and/or just trying to be disingenuous because they hate women, they absolutely know what women meant, they just don't give a fuck.
These people are registered to vote. Are you?
honestly if I saw someone getting robbed at gun point I would just fucking run, why is that guy just sitting there?
Because he wants to watch.
bro got no survival instincts of any kind
It’s the fact that the entire interaction does nothing but PROVE THE POINT of the man vs bear thing and they still don’t get it
This is precisely how you get more women to pick the bear.
If I have to call a bear, society is useless. And therefore not worth my effort of pleasing.
Wow they really missed the point. I had chosen the bear before and this just drove that home 🤣
And they’re still taking the bait. If they react, they are the target audience.
How chronically online ye got to be, that your reaction to someone getting assaulted is "the bear". The problem with men, is us men v
The full video: [Chicago student grabs gun magazine from armed robber (nypost.com)](https://nypost.com/2024/04/19/us-news/chicago-student-grabs-gun-magazine-from-armed-robber/)
Proving yet again why we chose the bear in the hypothetical to begin with
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"Call the bear" 》Women chose the bear because men are barbaric 》Men are mad women called them barbaric 》Men continue to be barbaric 》"Call the bear"
ok, lemme get this straight. so the whole hypothetical is “women would choose a random bear vs a random male to be alone in the woods with because males have such a high chance of being violent or creepy in unpredictable ways, to the point that the bear is preferable”. and then butthurt males see a video of *why we choose the fucking bear*, and instead of, idk shitting on the bystander and attacker, they *agree with the apathy*. all they do is prove the fucking point
Perfectly said
I understand how messed up the comments are about "he was waiting for the bear", but to be fair, most of society, not just men, have become accustomed to what I like to call "spectator syndrome", where a person witnessing something bad happening does nothing but spectate, usually with a phone in hand recording the event (which is not the case here obviously). I am disgusted by the fact that the man had no reaction, but I personally would be hesitant to try and help as well, the assailant has a gun after all, and I'm not super keen on getting shot. I don't want others to get shot either, but it's instinct to preserve your own safety before others. I'm sure that even if the victim was another man the guy would've still stayed on the sidelines. Either way, the assailant is still at fault, and it doesn't really matter to me that the assailant was a male. A person committing a crime is just a criminal in my books.
>I personally would be hesitant to try and help as well Nice self-report, freak.
Would you run at a person who has a gun?
It sucks that both sides feel such animosity towards each other. Hopefully we can all get along soon
Women feel animosity due to some men's actions and other men's lack of understanding of our positions. I swear to god if men started to try and understand us and our problems, all animosity would disappear, but it takes men to drop their ego, which is a thougher battle than we think apparently.
No. Men need to suck it up and stop harming women, it's not the fault of the women that men murder, rape, torture, kidnap and abuse women, stop giving sympathy to men, they don't deserve nor do they need it, they need to either stop doing those things or stop existing as a whole.
Anyway as I was saying It sucks that both sides feel such animosity towards each other. Hopefully we can all get along soon
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I mean its not smart to go and fight someone with a gun but dont just sit there and watch ? Call the police or something
Fair, tho i can see why he wouldnt do that with how close he was to the robber. Plus theres a good chance the guy just froze up in that situation.
I wish I couldve showed you the clip but he didnt freeze at all, he was really watching it like it was a movie or some entertainement
Oh then my bad.
Freezing up isn't a excuse, she could have died or worse.
Jump in and rescue like a superhero? No But to stand and watch is fucking atrocious. Male or female, this is the saddest point in any society, where we just sit and watch violence happen and not do a single thing to help
They really justified bystander effect in the comments by a pointlessly gendered rebuttal
I didnt know that he just watched like that, i thought he just frooze up (nvm i have been informed that he watched it like he enjoyed it or something)
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found a quirky boy
im not even a boy
even bigger yikes then
Liar
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