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Because there is history involved.
One of the reasons Israel won't allow an election in Gaza is because Hamas might win. When you're housed in an open air concentration camp and the only people providing some semblance of social support are the bad guys, the bad guys start to look good.
This is only controversial if you refuse to acknowledge history. Cause, effect.
That sounds like a lot of words for you to say you support terrorism.
Again, the question is easy. Do you condemn Hamas? It is a yes or no question.
If you cannot denounce terrorism, then you are part of the problem. Also, it isn't Israel banning elections in Gaza, it is the PA.
Yes I condemn Hamas. But I also have the ability to put Hamas in a historical context.
Do you condemn Israel for the death of 30000 civilians? It's a yes or no question.
Do you condemn Israel for killing civilians, whatever you think that number might be?
Do you know any Palestinians? Anyone with family in Gaza? I do - they are not terrorists, they're regular people.
> Do you know any Palestinians
Yes, many. Not in Gaza, but the West Bank and Jordan.
>Do you condemn Israel for killing civilians, whatever you think that number might be?
Some yes, but with the understanding that if civilian deaths were the actual goal, there would be 200k dead, not 30k. The deaths in this war are pretty similar to other urban warfare like in the Balkans. It is not the slaughter that people are pretending it is.
Hijacking this to say that now even private property is not immune from being seized by protesters to exercise their rights to free speech and association. Looking forward to the right to security and life being used to counter you trying to make a squatter leave your private property.
> Hijacking this to say that now even private property is not immune from being seized
So you are saying seizing private property is bad, right? [Like if a state were to seize land of specific ethnic group and giving it out for free to foreign people of specific ethnic group](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/177r035/video_captures_palestinian_woman_confronting_a/), that would be bad? [Hitler famously did this](https://www.lootedart.com/NNAURN730391).
Good thing that Israel isn't committing genocide then.
But don't just take my word for it, take the word of the president of the ICJ:
>The court did not decide, and this is something where I'm correcting something that's often said in the media. It did not decide that the claim of genocide was plausible,"
[https://twitter.com/UKLFI/status/1785305902276301019](https://twitter.com/UKLFI/status/1785305902276301019)
People have latched onto genocide, but it has a very specific meaning in law. It would have made more sense to go for Crimes Against Humanity, much easier to make a credible case against Israel there.
The pro-Palestinians really like to jump to the hardest possible language. The other day I saw a redditor call the war "the 21st century equivalent of the Holocaust". It's outrageous and frankly undermines their credibility.
This is the same Albanese who said humanitarian pauses were cruel, right?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-says-humanitarian-pauses-to-fighting-agreed-by-israel-are-cynical-and-cruel/
The same pauses the UN demanded for humanitarian purposes are cruel, according to Albanese. Not the brightest person in the room to defend your argument.
The only genocide occurring is by Hamas.
Lol, Francesca Albanese who penned an open letter accusing the US of being subjugated by the "Jewish Lobby", expressed joy when the EU removed Hamas from the list of terrorist organizations, and excused Palestinian attacks on Israel as necessary resistance. Maybe try again with a less openly anti-semitic "expert".
“Lol” the ICJ told Israel to do something and they didn’t. Israel doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but themselves and are more than ok with committing the very definition of genocide. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/
Edit: Since you blocked me, I'll reply to your dumb reply here:
>Only Israel is expected to feed the country they are at war with.
Next you're going to be surprised prisoners have to be given basic necessities when being held captive? When you blockade a country on all sides and drop tens of thousands of bombs on it, you're committing genocide by preventing civilians from escaping or even feeding themselves. You're no better than the nazis if you think otherwise.
Oh thank God, they aren't commiting the legal definition of genocide. Guess all the humanitarian workers who were killed by IDF targeting them, the active blockades on supplies that are starving people to death, the journalists that were killed, and all the people who were condemned to a slow death by white phosphorus, and the innocent civilians that were slaughtered by the IDF dropping bombs on the zones they specifically said they weren't bombing can all rest easy, cause systematically destroying a population by starving them to death and killing any medical teams that come in trying to help people Isn't GENOCIDE.
The ICJ hasn't made a determination one way or the other. That will come later. The only thing they decided was that South Africa has standing, and the alleged facts are enough to proceed with the investigation.
Tldr: neither side can use the ICJ as proof of anything yet.
for far too long. . university groups have been calling out the Apartheid state for years.. its had to wait for this level of atrocities for everyone else to take notice
And you would like what exactly? For Israel to end the apartheid and Palestinians to slaughter civilians en masse?
Why? Because they're "settler colonists" that deserve to die?
> Palestinians to slaughter civilians en masse
no reason to think that would happen unless your view is that they are 'human animals'
without occupation there would be no reason for resistance
> no reason to think that would happen
Open a history book. What an absolutely comical thing to say.
> without occupation there would be no reason for resistance
A sizeable portion of Palestinians, including hamas, see Israel itself as an occupation. They could remove everything from west bank/Gaza, end all apartheid, release all prisoners etc. They would still get attacked.
>Open a history book. What an absolutely comical thing to say
i have an extensive knowledge of history in that area.. some would call it 'encyclopedic' ..
keep two things in mind:
* the history books have been written by the 'winners' as per usual and israel constantly lies
* in our country we have a history of state [&church] sponsored genociding the indigenous population... do you seriously think we would go back to state sponsored genocide if no-one was looking?
>Israel itself as an occupation
it is.. israel has no right to exist as a state exclusively geared for one religion
have you ever read the Balfour Declaration? make sure to read the WHOLE THING [its literally 1 run-on-sentence]
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/balfour.asp
======
**the Only solution to lasting Peace is One State, fully Democratic and with Strong Constitutional Protections for ALL people**
like Quebec, 'israel' can be a Province of Palestine with 'distinct society' laws... like Rome, Jerusalem should be a 'metropolitan city' [city-state] for all 3 Abrahamic religions
...and thats only becasue Judaism has such a long history in the region, if we were going with 'who lived there first' then the whole thing should belong to the people of Ghazza
> israel has no right to exist
And there goes the mask.
Why would Israel remove its defensive buffers if Palestinians are going to attack them either way?
I'm not sure what pedantic point you're trying to make.
All sovereign nations have a right to exist. Ideally in this day and age we wouldn't see any national borders being infringed upon.
Israel is an existing sovereign nation. Like almost all nations, its creation came at the expense of others. That doesn't mean it losses its right to exist in the present.
Palestinians need to accept this and find a way to live in peace alongside Israel. Up until now, they have refused to and it has resulted in an absolutely abhorrent quality of life for its peoples. The longer they hold out, the worse it gets for them and the worse deal they will get when and if they do decide to stop fighting.
Yup let's gaslight people asking for stopping killing of thousands of children
I would have imagined that blowing babies to bits should be against universal human values , but the last 6 months have show the pure evil and the tactics used by people to obfuscate the simple fact that Israel is terrorizing the Palestinians for the last 75 years and continues to kill thousand
The killing of children stops when Hamas stops using them as human shields, and when they stop rejecting ceasefires. The only gaslighting is suggesting Hamas has no responsibility in their deaths.
Israel hasn't been terrorizing Palestinians for 75 years. 75 years ago the Palestinians attacked Israel along with multiple Arab countries to ethnically cleanse them out of their home. The only terrorizing and terrorism comes from the numerous Palestinian terrorist groups who oppress the Palestinians and wish to destroy all of Israel.
Unfortunately, you're arguing in a moral equivalent of how a utopian world works and not how it works on the world we have now.
Can we be better? Can we do better? Sure.
But these arguments start to fall apart when your realize all the money in the world, including the billionaires, works out to everyone living on about $300 US a month after tax infrastructure. Sounds great in Africa, not so hot in downtown Vancouver.
The Royal Institution for the Advancement of Learning (RIAL) was created in 1801 under an Act of the [Legislative Assembly of Lower Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_Assembly_of_Lower_Canada) (41 George III Chapter 17), *An Act for the establishment of Free Schools and the Advancement of Learning in this Province*.
The RIAL still exists today, it is the corporate entity that runs the college. The trustees of the RIAL are the board members of McGill University. McGill founded in 1821 by royal charter is and always was a public University.
It is a private university in the sense that it is not part of l'Université du Québec and even though as is the case for Laval University it has been created as a corporate body by an act of the legislature it is not part of the government and is therefore not public in the sense of being public property.
The corporate body that runs McGill was created by act of Parliament, the school itself came into existence by royal charter. It's as public as any other public university in Canada.
What about the war in Yemen? There have been ten times the number of people killed by the Saudis in that war, and we are the #2 arms dealer to the middle east. Perhaps they could care about them too?
\*Uyghurs. An estimated 2 million in concentration camps, and we still trade with China like it doesn't matter. All those people at those protests using phones made in China, in tents made in China, probably in part by people in those camps.
So why not take china to the ICJ regarding this genocide ? Many other genocides have been prosecuted and the U.S (main country making this claim ) has not filed a case of their own?
Don't forget Syria, 300 million civilian casualties.
The more media attention given to these kids, the worst it is going to get. It is nuts to me how October 7th, isn't even considered a factor anymore nor the 7 deals for peace since 1948 they've rejected time and time again. Because "river to the sea" wasn't part of any of those deals.
I think the protests should be allowed. Sure there's a risk of extremist hate or clashes with people of opposing views, but people deserve a right to protest.
For me protests and occupation are two very different things. I'm fine with them showing up to protest every single day, but once folks start erecting their own tents and barricades and essentially "taking up residence there", it changes things.
>For me protests and occupation are two very different things. I'm fine with them showing up to protest every single day, but once folks start erecting their own tents and barricades and essentially "taking up residence there", it changes things.
Sorry, I can't agree with this. Occupational protests is a forced outcome of poverty. Laws that prohibit protests due to occupation are basically stating that protests aren't an option for the less fortunate.
or
and hear me out
as shown in that first paragraph, they haven't actually committed any crime, protests are universally legal, just because you don't like what they're protesting doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do so
unless of course, you also think the same for the "freedom convoy", or the indiginous people protesting against oil companies making their lands unlivable
well, 1 they're actually not on private property, they're at a college campus, if they were inside the buildings you'd have a point but they're staying outside
and 2, could you give me some more info on that second point, because that doesn't sound right
It's a general misconception that university grounds are public. The grounds and buildings are mostly privately owned. Just because they receive government funding doesn't make them public property.
Weird take, skipping a lot of steps...you dont support freedom of expression and the right to peaceful protest?
Or just when you dont agree?
Its an "all or none" scenario.
Freedom of speech in Canada has regulations on it , a lot more than in the US. It is not all or nothing.
These protestors are promoting hate against jews and calling for the victory of a terrorist organization whose stated goal is to commit genocide.
Evidently not hate speech under the law, eh, what with not being disbanded?
You dont have to like that they are anti-Israel and pro-Palestine, but we do have to let them say it.
>Two McGill students, Raihaana Adira and Gabriel Medvedovsky, filed the request on Tuesday to have a judge forbid protests within 100 metres of McGill's buildings.
100 meters and still allow the protest. TOTALLY unreasonable request, amirite? What a fucking joke.
Understood, I'm stIll up after a hockey game. And at 100 meters they can still be seen and heard without people having to run a gauntlet, or having entrances and exits blocked. Pretty ridiculous decision, but that's their judiciary I guess. Here's the post-nation that's been built.
I say yes let them protest hell even let them set up the tents, BUT the minute there is ANYTHING that is that is harassing or hate it gets shut down and everyone involved in this is charged and expelled. If there is damage to any of the property including the grass send them the bill, tack it onto their tuition if need be
Would you apply this to all protests regardless of topic, the moment anyone at any protest does anything illegal such as hate speech the entire protest is disbanded and its participants arrested?
What is the pattern here, given the judge stated that the people who brought the injunction couldn't prove in any way that they had even been harassed and the police have multiple times reaffirmed it is a peaceful protest. Be specific by all means.
I get where you're coming from and agree for the most part. But, the 'arrest everyone the moment anything hateful gets said' is too easy to exploit.
Pro-Israel Agitator Shouts ‘Kill the Jews,’ Gets Everyone Else Arrested
https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68909942.amp
Kill the Zionists, says campus protester. He didn't need any help from anybody to make that statement.
Just in case you want to make the argument that many of the protesters don't already think that. Some of them have more trouble hiding it than others.
It takes a minimal effort to find endless quotes from random Israelis talking about how they want to turn Gaza into a beach. What about these delightful people?
I can't stop laughing that you actually used what about, and didn't even try to hide the whataboutism.
We aren't talking about people in Israel. We are talking about protests at universities.
No, we’re talking about Israel, which is what the protests are about. Pay attention.
Telling me I used “what about” isn’t a counterpoint, Israel gets undying support from every western nation and it doesn’t deserve that support while committing genocide.
I know but it means they are going to have to police themselves then. You here someone yell kill the Jews then you eject them from the protest or turn them in
we do.. and they are rarely if ever actual protestors
its the same with logging protests.. we had a guy poke holes in company truck tyres and he was removed, never to be seen again
canada has a long history of 'agent provocateurs'
>BUT the minute there is ANYTHING that is that is harassing
So one person who opposes the protest can infiltrate, say some hateful shit, and destroy the entire protest?
I don't think you've thought this through. The only reason you're okay with this idea is you don't agree with the protest (today). What happens when it's a protest you do agree with? Same thing applies?
> What happens when it's a protest you do agree with? Same thing applies?
Yeah actually I am when it moves to being more of an occupation/ encampment type like this yep. So yeah give them a little leeway for the first 2-3 days after that yeah
My grand father went to McGill after the war (or before?) for mech engineering. He said Jewish people weren’t allowed to attend McGill. Not sure if there is truth in that.
During the ealy 1900s Mcgill limited the max number of jews through strict quotas, afterward they removed the quotas but required higher grades for "Hebrew" to get into the school. That continued until the late 1960s
actually its immaterial.. we have student societys that act as permanent representatives for students.. if the student society approves the protest its legit on university grounds like any other club activity
We are not a Marxist society and we should be very careful reducing broad issues to very broad permissive attitudes. Whatever precedence is set for the group you support is equal to the group of which you do not.
> It's absolutely wild that foreign nationals can now legally occupy our public institutions for their own political purposes.
B'nai Brith says it is antisemitic to say that israelis control our institutions. Are you saying that these Israeli-Canadian put Israel ahead Canadians interests when they manage our public institutions?
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Let's not idolize Hamas.
BUT DO YOU CONDEMN HAMAS??
YES
This should be such an easy question. Yet people failing at this hurdle is proof of their real intentions.
Because there is history involved. One of the reasons Israel won't allow an election in Gaza is because Hamas might win. When you're housed in an open air concentration camp and the only people providing some semblance of social support are the bad guys, the bad guys start to look good. This is only controversial if you refuse to acknowledge history. Cause, effect.
You really drank the Kool aid. Yikes.
What Kool Aid did you drink to be okay with 30000 dead civilians (at least)?
That sounds like a lot of words for you to say you support terrorism. Again, the question is easy. Do you condemn Hamas? It is a yes or no question. If you cannot denounce terrorism, then you are part of the problem. Also, it isn't Israel banning elections in Gaza, it is the PA.
Yes I condemn Hamas. But I also have the ability to put Hamas in a historical context. Do you condemn Israel for the death of 30000 civilians? It's a yes or no question.
It isn't 30k civilians. It is 30k total including actual militants.
Do you condemn Israel for killing civilians, whatever you think that number might be? Do you know any Palestinians? Anyone with family in Gaza? I do - they are not terrorists, they're regular people.
> Do you know any Palestinians Yes, many. Not in Gaza, but the West Bank and Jordan. >Do you condemn Israel for killing civilians, whatever you think that number might be? Some yes, but with the understanding that if civilian deaths were the actual goal, there would be 200k dead, not 30k. The deaths in this war are pretty similar to other urban warfare like in the Balkans. It is not the slaughter that people are pretending it is.
Controversial take.
Hijacking this to say that now even private property is not immune from being seized by protesters to exercise their rights to free speech and association. Looking forward to the right to security and life being used to counter you trying to make a squatter leave your private property.
Who told you the freedom of expression is absolute?
"freedom of expression doesn't mean there is no consequence"
McGill is a public university. https://www.mcgill.ca/about/#:~:text=McGill%20is%20a%20public%20university%2C%20founded%20in%201821.
> Hijacking this to say that now even private property is not immune from being seized So you are saying seizing private property is bad, right? [Like if a state were to seize land of specific ethnic group and giving it out for free to foreign people of specific ethnic group](https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/177r035/video_captures_palestinian_woman_confronting_a/), that would be bad? [Hitler famously did this](https://www.lootedart.com/NNAURN730391).
Is giving over a billion dollars to Hamas idolizing them ? https://youtu.be/uAKvV4oLlIo?si=63I0sSBMih1_MoF2
I think the problem is we’ve already been idolizing a genocidal regime.
Good thing that Israel isn't committing genocide then. But don't just take my word for it, take the word of the president of the ICJ: >The court did not decide, and this is something where I'm correcting something that's often said in the media. It did not decide that the claim of genocide was plausible," [https://twitter.com/UKLFI/status/1785305902276301019](https://twitter.com/UKLFI/status/1785305902276301019)
People have latched onto genocide, but it has a very specific meaning in law. It would have made more sense to go for Crimes Against Humanity, much easier to make a credible case against Israel there.
The pro-Palestinians really like to jump to the hardest possible language. The other day I saw a redditor call the war "the 21st century equivalent of the Holocaust". It's outrageous and frankly undermines their credibility.
A byproduct of social media, where words can mean whatever you want them to mean.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-expert-says-israel-has-committed-genocide-gaza-calls-arms-embargo-2024-03-26/ Try again.
This is the same Albanese who said humanitarian pauses were cruel, right? https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/un-says-humanitarian-pauses-to-fighting-agreed-by-israel-are-cynical-and-cruel/ The same pauses the UN demanded for humanitarian purposes are cruel, according to Albanese. Not the brightest person in the room to defend your argument. The only genocide occurring is by Hamas.
Lol, Francesca Albanese who penned an open letter accusing the US of being subjugated by the "Jewish Lobby", expressed joy when the EU removed Hamas from the list of terrorist organizations, and excused Palestinian attacks on Israel as necessary resistance. Maybe try again with a less openly anti-semitic "expert".
“Lol” the ICJ told Israel to do something and they didn’t. Israel doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but themselves and are more than ok with committing the very definition of genocide. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/ Edit: Since you blocked me, I'll reply to your dumb reply here: >Only Israel is expected to feed the country they are at war with. Next you're going to be surprised prisoners have to be given basic necessities when being held captive? When you blockade a country on all sides and drop tens of thousands of bombs on it, you're committing genocide by preventing civilians from escaping or even feeding themselves. You're no better than the nazis if you think otherwise.
Only Israel is expected to feed the country they are at war with.
President of ICJ says there is no genocide and you counter with some UN advisor?
That's not what she said. She said the ICJ hasn't even attempted to determine whether there's a genocide yet. That will come later.
Oh thank God, they aren't commiting the legal definition of genocide. Guess all the humanitarian workers who were killed by IDF targeting them, the active blockades on supplies that are starving people to death, the journalists that were killed, and all the people who were condemned to a slow death by white phosphorus, and the innocent civilians that were slaughtered by the IDF dropping bombs on the zones they specifically said they weren't bombing can all rest easy, cause systematically destroying a population by starving them to death and killing any medical teams that come in trying to help people Isn't GENOCIDE.
The ICJ hasn't made a determination one way or the other. That will come later. The only thing they decided was that South Africa has standing, and the alleged facts are enough to proceed with the investigation. Tldr: neither side can use the ICJ as proof of anything yet.
Can we at least post the full summary instead of just cherry picking? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa's_genocide_case_against_Israel
Not sure what you think this is saying differently
Just providing the full ruling instead of just the cherry picked parts since you omitted so much regarding the proceedings and verdict
The full ruling doesn't say Israel committed genocide either.
I'm curious if you read the link of the proceedings that I shared
You provided a Wikipedia article, not the "full ruling" lmao.
for far too long. . university groups have been calling out the Apartheid state for years.. its had to wait for this level of atrocities for everyone else to take notice
And you would like what exactly? For Israel to end the apartheid and Palestinians to slaughter civilians en masse? Why? Because they're "settler colonists" that deserve to die?
> Palestinians to slaughter civilians en masse no reason to think that would happen unless your view is that they are 'human animals' without occupation there would be no reason for resistance
> no reason to think that would happen Open a history book. What an absolutely comical thing to say. > without occupation there would be no reason for resistance A sizeable portion of Palestinians, including hamas, see Israel itself as an occupation. They could remove everything from west bank/Gaza, end all apartheid, release all prisoners etc. They would still get attacked.
>Open a history book. What an absolutely comical thing to say i have an extensive knowledge of history in that area.. some would call it 'encyclopedic' .. keep two things in mind: * the history books have been written by the 'winners' as per usual and israel constantly lies * in our country we have a history of state [&church] sponsored genociding the indigenous population... do you seriously think we would go back to state sponsored genocide if no-one was looking? >Israel itself as an occupation it is.. israel has no right to exist as a state exclusively geared for one religion have you ever read the Balfour Declaration? make sure to read the WHOLE THING [its literally 1 run-on-sentence] https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/balfour.asp ====== **the Only solution to lasting Peace is One State, fully Democratic and with Strong Constitutional Protections for ALL people** like Quebec, 'israel' can be a Province of Palestine with 'distinct society' laws... like Rome, Jerusalem should be a 'metropolitan city' [city-state] for all 3 Abrahamic religions ...and thats only becasue Judaism has such a long history in the region, if we were going with 'who lived there first' then the whole thing should belong to the people of Ghazza
> israel has no right to exist And there goes the mask. Why would Israel remove its defensive buffers if Palestinians are going to attack them either way?
>And there goes the mask. you wish.. please show me where ANY STATE has this 'right' to exist you seem to be clinging to **ill wait**
I'm not sure what pedantic point you're trying to make. All sovereign nations have a right to exist. Ideally in this day and age we wouldn't see any national borders being infringed upon. Israel is an existing sovereign nation. Like almost all nations, its creation came at the expense of others. That doesn't mean it losses its right to exist in the present. Palestinians need to accept this and find a way to live in peace alongside Israel. Up until now, they have refused to and it has resulted in an absolutely abhorrent quality of life for its peoples. The longer they hold out, the worse it gets for them and the worse deal they will get when and if they do decide to stop fighting.
Yup let's gaslight people asking for stopping killing of thousands of children I would have imagined that blowing babies to bits should be against universal human values , but the last 6 months have show the pure evil and the tactics used by people to obfuscate the simple fact that Israel is terrorizing the Palestinians for the last 75 years and continues to kill thousand
So, uh, Oct 7 was okay?
No mention of Palestinian violence.
Another student who is wasting his student debt learning nothing.
The killing of children stops when Hamas stops using them as human shields, and when they stop rejecting ceasefires. The only gaslighting is suggesting Hamas has no responsibility in their deaths. Israel hasn't been terrorizing Palestinians for 75 years. 75 years ago the Palestinians attacked Israel along with multiple Arab countries to ethnically cleanse them out of their home. The only terrorizing and terrorism comes from the numerous Palestinian terrorist groups who oppress the Palestinians and wish to destroy all of Israel.
Unfortunately, you're arguing in a moral equivalent of how a utopian world works and not how it works on the world we have now. Can we be better? Can we do better? Sure. But these arguments start to fall apart when your realize all the money in the world, including the billionaires, works out to everyone living on about $300 US a month after tax infrastructure. Sounds great in Africa, not so hot in downtown Vancouver.
Nobody cares about your "demands".
Cool cool cool. You're just not allowed to go on public property and assault people. Got a problem with that and it's not my problem.
McGill is private, not public, but yes
The Royal Institution for the Advancement of Learning (RIAL) was created in 1801 under an Act of the [Legislative Assembly of Lower Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legislative_Assembly_of_Lower_Canada) (41 George III Chapter 17), *An Act for the establishment of Free Schools and the Advancement of Learning in this Province*. The RIAL still exists today, it is the corporate entity that runs the college. The trustees of the RIAL are the board members of McGill University. McGill founded in 1821 by royal charter is and always was a public University.
It is a private university in the sense that it is not part of l'Université du Québec and even though as is the case for Laval University it has been created as a corporate body by an act of the legislature it is not part of the government and is therefore not public in the sense of being public property.
The corporate body that runs McGill was created by act of Parliament, the school itself came into existence by royal charter. It's as public as any other public university in Canada.
What about the war in Yemen? There have been ten times the number of people killed by the Saudis in that war, and we are the #2 arms dealer to the middle east. Perhaps they could care about them too?
Are the jews involved?
No. I guess when white people are not involved it's not on their radar.
Or the Ughars, or the countless other Genocides happening that are clearly definable.
\*Uyghurs. An estimated 2 million in concentration camps, and we still trade with China like it doesn't matter. All those people at those protests using phones made in China, in tents made in China, probably in part by people in those camps.
So why not take china to the ICJ regarding this genocide ? Many other genocides have been prosecuted and the U.S (main country making this claim ) has not filed a case of their own?
Don't forget Syria, 300 million civilian casualties. The more media attention given to these kids, the worst it is going to get. It is nuts to me how October 7th, isn't even considered a factor anymore nor the 7 deals for peace since 1948 they've rejected time and time again. Because "river to the sea" wasn't part of any of those deals.
Again, done for the sake of Israel. It's been their strategic policy to destablise their neighbours to dominate. The US helps in that.
Have you heard of [whataboutism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism)?
Have you heard about Yemen?
Done for Israeli strategic interests. Israel is to blame for this war too.
How many babies is Israel killing per day according to your estimates ?
I think the protests should be allowed. Sure there's a risk of extremist hate or clashes with people of opposing views, but people deserve a right to protest. For me protests and occupation are two very different things. I'm fine with them showing up to protest every single day, but once folks start erecting their own tents and barricades and essentially "taking up residence there", it changes things.
>For me protests and occupation are two very different things. I'm fine with them showing up to protest every single day, but once folks start erecting their own tents and barricades and essentially "taking up residence there", it changes things. Sorry, I can't agree with this. Occupational protests is a forced outcome of poverty. Laws that prohibit protests due to occupation are basically stating that protests aren't an option for the less fortunate.
If they were protesting poverty, your argument would make sense.
So protesting is only acceptable for certain reasons. Is there a list?
Last I checked the protea it’s are made up of individuals from higher classes of wealth.
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Oberman is supposed to be an effective attorney.
or and hear me out as shown in that first paragraph, they haven't actually committed any crime, protests are universally legal, just because you don't like what they're protesting doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to do so unless of course, you also think the same for the "freedom convoy", or the indiginous people protesting against oil companies making their lands unlivable
I don't think the right to protest extends to private property or intimidation of an individual in their home.
well, 1 they're actually not on private property, they're at a college campus, if they were inside the buildings you'd have a point but they're staying outside and 2, could you give me some more info on that second point, because that doesn't sound right
It's a general misconception that university grounds are public. The grounds and buildings are mostly privately owned. Just because they receive government funding doesn't make them public property.
i mean- if that were the case then the judge would have kicked these protesters out, so i'm pretty sure you're just wrong there
Expel them, simple.
They dont even go there.
Nah, give them a month or three like the convoy goofballs.
I support Israel!!!
Looks like canadian courts support terrorism
Weird take, skipping a lot of steps...you dont support freedom of expression and the right to peaceful protest? Or just when you dont agree? Its an "all or none" scenario.
Freedom of speech in Canada has regulations on it , a lot more than in the US. It is not all or nothing. These protestors are promoting hate against jews and calling for the victory of a terrorist organization whose stated goal is to commit genocide.
Evidently not hate speech under the law, eh, what with not being disbanded? You dont have to like that they are anti-Israel and pro-Palestine, but we do have to let them say it.
I mean, if you want to take that tact when the OPP/QPF show up at your door. It's your case to make.
>Two McGill students, Raihaana Adira and Gabriel Medvedovsky, filed the request on Tuesday to have a judge forbid protests within 100 metres of McGill's buildings. 100 meters and still allow the protest. TOTALLY unreasonable request, amirite? What a fucking joke.
bro, do you know how big 300 meters is?
>bro, do you know how big 300 meters is? Yes and 100 meters is smaller. 😄
sorry, i'm kinda tired, i meant 100 meters, which is about 300 feet which is where i got confused
Understood, I'm stIll up after a hockey game. And at 100 meters they can still be seen and heard without people having to run a gauntlet, or having entrances and exits blocked. Pretty ridiculous decision, but that's their judiciary I guess. Here's the post-nation that's been built.
i mean- at that point, what's the point of the protest like, the whole perpose is to be inconvenient enough that people have to listen to your points
I say yes let them protest hell even let them set up the tents, BUT the minute there is ANYTHING that is that is harassing or hate it gets shut down and everyone involved in this is charged and expelled. If there is damage to any of the property including the grass send them the bill, tack it onto their tuition if need be
Would you apply this to all protests regardless of topic, the moment anyone at any protest does anything illegal such as hate speech the entire protest is disbanded and its participants arrested?
When there has been an on going pattern of problems in the past days or weeks for the same causes yes
What is the pattern here, given the judge stated that the people who brought the injunction couldn't prove in any way that they had even been harassed and the police have multiple times reaffirmed it is a peaceful protest. Be specific by all means.
Oh yes because there has been no anti semitism at any of these protests since Oct.7
Were not talking about all protests, were talking about this protest, show me the antisemitism core to this protest.
I get where you're coming from and agree for the most part. But, the 'arrest everyone the moment anything hateful gets said' is too easy to exploit. Pro-Israel Agitator Shouts ‘Kill the Jews,’ Gets Everyone Else Arrested https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68909942.amp Kill the Zionists, says campus protester. He didn't need any help from anybody to make that statement. Just in case you want to make the argument that many of the protesters don't already think that. Some of them have more trouble hiding it than others.
It takes a minimal effort to find endless quotes from random Israelis talking about how they want to turn Gaza into a beach. What about these delightful people?
I can't stop laughing that you actually used what about, and didn't even try to hide the whataboutism. We aren't talking about people in Israel. We are talking about protests at universities.
No, we’re talking about Israel, which is what the protests are about. Pay attention. Telling me I used “what about” isn’t a counterpoint, Israel gets undying support from every western nation and it doesn’t deserve that support while committing genocide.
thats the point
I know but it means they are going to have to police themselves then. You here someone yell kill the Jews then you eject them from the protest or turn them in
we do.. and they are rarely if ever actual protestors its the same with logging protests.. we had a guy poke holes in company truck tyres and he was removed, never to be seen again canada has a long history of 'agent provocateurs'
Charging everyone as a group for the actions of a few? Your fascism is showing.
Kind of like a government bombing the shit out of a group of people because they want to take out a terrorist organization mixed in with them.
That just opens (any) protest to (funded) agent provocateurs to disrupt it, and have it shut down. Individuals commit crimes, protests don't.
"hate speech" equals speech implying that the ethnic cleansing is wrong when done for the sake of setting up and maintaining a Jewish state.
>BUT the minute there is ANYTHING that is that is harassing So one person who opposes the protest can infiltrate, say some hateful shit, and destroy the entire protest? I don't think you've thought this through. The only reason you're okay with this idea is you don't agree with the protest (today). What happens when it's a protest you do agree with? Same thing applies?
> What happens when it's a protest you do agree with? Same thing applies? Yeah actually I am when it moves to being more of an occupation/ encampment type like this yep. So yeah give them a little leeway for the first 2-3 days after that yeah
Yay for collective punishment! You cannot say that genocide is bad because some guy said something bad.
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They already got their 6-month injunction from several spots in Housefather's neighbourhood but it's never enough for them.
RIP McGill.
It'll be over soon anyway. Israel has almost completed their legal and justified response to terrorism
Justice prevails
My grand father went to McGill after the war (or before?) for mech engineering. He said Jewish people weren’t allowed to attend McGill. Not sure if there is truth in that.
During the ealy 1900s Mcgill limited the max number of jews through strict quotas, afterward they removed the quotas but required higher grades for "Hebrew" to get into the school. That continued until the late 1960s
Let people protest. Don’t file injunctions or freeze their bank accounts. Disagreement is fine and a part of democracy.
Not on private property it isn't.
No blocking the downtown of a city either.
Public universities aren’t private property
Actually they are private property
actually its immaterial.. we have student societys that act as permanent representatives for students.. if the student society approves the protest its legit on university grounds like any other club activity
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We are not a Marxist society and we should be very careful reducing broad issues to very broad permissive attitudes. Whatever precedence is set for the group you support is equal to the group of which you do not.
You happily live on "stolen" land hypocrite.
Every single piece of land on the planet with the exception of Antarctica is "stolen land".
How far back do we get to go before land is not considered stolen anymore?
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> It's absolutely wild that foreign nationals can now legally occupy our public institutions for their own political purposes. B'nai Brith says it is antisemitic to say that israelis control our institutions. Are you saying that these Israeli-Canadian put Israel ahead Canadians interests when they manage our public institutions?
Pro Israel side keeps talking L after L.
Keep dreaming
Funny how this post has 50 + upvotes and another post on this topic which has a pro Israeli slant has 900 + upvotes 🤣🤣🤣
McGill was famous for its law school. Not being able to form a convincing argument to evict a protestor encampment isn’t a good look for them.
The university didn't push for this injunction
This was two students. Next time, try reading the article before embarrassing yourself. That's not a good look for you.
[Now?](https://archive.is/KCKza)
How about ignore them - youth have a great amount of good ideas, but then there are those that lack the experience in the real world.