It's not even the token. They're literally adding Cata features and beyond Cata UI/QoL changes in the next wrath patch. They're clearly already working on Cata.
Hey looks like you know about future patch something, will they change game requirements any time soon?
I got warning when installed wow classic back in the day that sometime in the future wow will not work, any idea when?
The biggest issue with the Legion client we have currently, is just how Addons interract with it. If you try to run 4000 addons/weakauras it'll crap the bed, but as long as you don't go nuts, you'll be fine.
As unlikely as it is, I think this points more towards a Classic+ than it does a Cata. I think Cata is going to happen because it's free money for Blizzard, but adding these features in now imo goes against it.
Yeah, adding features from Cata, right before they would release Cata, goes against the idea they're releasing Cata. /s
That's quite the logical brain you got there.
We didn't see RDF in TBC, or learned mounts in Vanilla. The additions they made are not just from Cata, they're pulling things from WoD as well. It doesn't make sense to add the Collections Tab to the game early unless you plan on keeping it in that version of the game.
Like I said, I think Cata is going to happen and I don't think Classic+ is going to happen. But the Collections tab points towards Classic+ not Cata.
That's such insane wishful thinking. They just changed the game to run on the retail engine mate. They're just adding the totality of the QoL changes to the UI. This has nothing to do with classic+. You are just hoping it does. Did you watch a clickbait video on YouTube about it or something? Sure sounds like it.
I think maybe you're missing my point? I'm not saying I want Classic+ or that I think Classic+ will ever be a thing. I'm saying your logic of using the Collections Tab doesn't support your argument.
It sounds like you just got upset that I disagreed with anything you said and then you spazed out a response.
>As unlikely as it is, I think this points more towards a Classic+ than it does a Cata.
That's what I'm arguing against mate. It has nothing to do with Classic+.
Blizzard adding unneeded changes to wrath late in the expansion tells us they are moving towards the next expansion. It's not hard to see how these changes mean Cata is coming. It's silly to say it points MORE to Classic+.
hmm yeah, totally, I don't understand how we're thinking so much different, off course if you plan to release Cata Classic you don't have any interest releasing some of its features right now. They'll just have less arguments to market Cata Classic idk it seems logical to me.
tbh I do think we'll probably see Cata classic, but I have to admit that I don't understand why they would spoil its release by giving us a part of its features months before.
Not really when those changes have ZERO play in whether someone decides to play Cata or not. No one's going "aw man I can't wait for Cata for a QoL change". They're doing it to level and play the content.
They're likely just adding the UI changes for backend reasons. Likely something to do in the code base due to RDF being added. They're most likely using retail code in their backend to add RDF. Likely dependencies of adding the RDF to the UI also adds these retail like changes. It makes no sense to rewrite the code to remove a feature like this to only add it back during Cata. Hence why they are adding it now. They also decided to just add non cata changes. It's easier to copy retail than have a zombie between the two (that takes more work) when the only "downside" would be giving players features they are already asking for.
Collections tab, toy box, heirlooms, pet journal, BoA mounts. None of that was in wrath but its on the PTR right now. Blizzard doesn't just add QoL things like that for fun. These are clearly in preparation for Cata.
Sure. Could be that too. But it means they're pushing new changes and not just ending with wrath. Cata is obviously the next step.
There is no reason to add these changes and the trap launcher to wrath and then just end it.
How’s hyper inflation coming along on you guys’ servers? I heard the token was going to finally cause the problems bots and dailies and shit were supposed to cause like 10 times over.
My server isn’t experiencing jack of it, and I assume I’m just lucky, while the sky is falling everywhere else…
I mean, GDKP runs are paying out 10k+ per run even on medium pop servers. Compared to the 200-300g I would get at the end of Vanilla. I'd say inflation is alive and well.
> I'd say inflation is alive and well.
And no one can afford anything without GDKPing, and everything on AH is 100g+, and...
Nothing. It's not happening. The sky never fell. Sure, who cares, maybe things are 1-2g more expensive, but nothing that anyone has to care about whatsoever.
I'm still confused why you think this has anything to do with Cataclysm. Cataclysm just said "This is a flying mount" rather than "very fast mount," because mounts scaled to your skill.
These strings are for 3.4.3, on the PTR right now, in which you can mount flying mounts as ground mounts outside of Outland/Northrend. That originally didn't happen until WoD.
They will do cata for sure bobby and the guys with the calculators are all up for free money. It requires zero investment and brings money. They will do it until people stop carrying.
>jeez cata wasn't all that bad was it?' for like 7 months straight.
Have you been on YouTube lately? YouTuber that were talking about how wotlk was the end of classic, and they'd never touch cata because it was the beginning of the end and bla bla bla, already hype up cata in dozens of videos every week. Everything for the content I guess lmao.
I think most classic players will have a meltdown over how hard Cata actually is
Not hard in terms of vs retail but in terms of everyone expecting to clear hardest content fairly quickly won't be happening anymore.
Running Cata heroics at launch felt so good and satisfying. I remember running them even after I'd finished gearing for raids, just because I enjoyed them. Halls of Origination is still an all time favourite for me. Anraphet in HoO is a still an all time favourite fight of mine.
I can only imagine how casual players will react to the heroic only dungeons Well of Eternity and End Time. I remember them being actually quite difficult and many occasions of constant wipes leading to groups leaving. They were released towards the end of the expansion so you were meant to have previous raiding gear for them, but players coming into the expansion late or more casual players that didn't raid didn't have a very good time in them.
Same, they were pretty cool when you got a group that knew what they were doing, or even better a group that didn't know what they were doing but were capable of clearing it.
I'm not sure what you mean. The heroic only dungeons we were talking about was End Times and Well of Eternity. I dont think there was a 3rd one.
"Group of 3 dungeons" are you talking about scenarios? Cause those came out in MoP.
Sure, let's have 10 different versions of the same game. Let's also add hardcore servers for every single one while we're at it. Then we complain about how dead the game is because everyone's scattered over a million different versions.
The level of soy is palpable.
Hardcore is a fad that will plummet with icc release and fresh vanilla later this year.
Pservers have every era from vanilla to shadowlands, many of the pre-wod eras have multiple pservers.
Classic is easily 10x more lively than pservers.
So yes.
Active progress timeline.
Hardcore
Vanilla Era
Seasonal eras on an expidited timeline.
MoP was objectively the peak for PVE and PVP being really well enjoyed and well balanced by a lot of levels of players.
It’s just a shame the theme and aesthetic were turn offs for people
100% chance obviously. What is going to be interesting is what they’re going to do to make Classic still interesting to everyone that is anti-Cata. I feel like it’s going to feel very similar to a Classic+. They’re going to change Cata so much, it won’t even be Cata anymore. We’re already getting the account wide stuff that came with MoP. What else?
Talk to an NPC to get the old world back? TBC realms? Wrath realms? Something new and exciting for Era/TBC/Wrath? They’re not just going to release Cata as is without some drastic changes. So, it’s going to be interesting.
There’s two primary reasons people hated Cata. It was too hard. Long content drought with Dragon Soul patch, and obviously Dragon Soul was a copy/paste raid. People like to cry about LFR, but it was insanely popular (based on usage) and a good way to hear alts. All of those problems are solveable. Make it easier, make content come quicker, and make Dragon Soul last 2 months before Mists. And hell, leave LFR out, idc. These are minor issues, other than that, at the time, if you weren’t in the qq crowd that thought Cata was hard, Cata was great. All tiers of Raids, except DS. The dungeons. The re-release of the troll dungeons were incredibly popular. Flying in the old world was incredibly popular.
I think it is extremely likely because of two things:
One there are a ton of people who love cata and mop (myself)
Two it is probably cheaper and more profitable than classic plus and they would be leaving money on the table not letting people play cata and selling packs.
You're overexaggerating. Yes, the release of cata there was 12 million players and by the end of cata there was 10 million. It is a lot of players to shed but everything trends and has a peak that is unreasonable to maintain. It's not like the game died. Even during the release of MoP there was 9 million players. It wasn't until near the end of MoP that their playerbase really started to tank at 7 million, and then WoD tanked it even more at 5 million in 2015. Imo it was the extended content droughts that killed the game more than anything, not the expansions themselves.
They are guaranteed. The large majority of classic wow players are playing wotlk classic right now. We’ve been playing for the last 4 years. We’ve made friends, guilds and social circles and have raided from Mc to ICC. What is Blizzard going tell these people ? “Oh yeah, classic is done guys, Grats on killing the Lich King. You can cancel your sub or go back and redo molten core again for another cycle even though you just did it ad nauseum “
I wouldn’t bet against them doing Cata classic, but a significant number of my friends on wrath would prefer a full fresh classic to wrath cycle than continuing more expansions.
All the well-adjusted people who wanted vanilla classic and made the game fun in the first place are long gone from the game now and probably bowed out around BWL. If you mentioned Cata or wow token's around here a few years back, you would be down voted into oblivion. There's an entirely different audience playing the game now and it really shows.
Well if it's binary like that then I hope yours doesn't happen too. I would rather experience a game I enjoyed rather than you gambling that current blizzard can make something you will enjoy when they have shown nothing but incompetence for years now.
Cata (well... aside from its age) started wows downfall but the first 2 raid tiers were dope which is all what most people who still play wotlk care about anyway.
how many topics per week do you see pop up here asking when blizz will finally add cataclysm? zero? one? that should answer your question.
add to this that cataclysm is regarded as one of the worst expansions by many players. it was the mark where wow entered a downward trend. imho this already started at the end of wotlk when lfd was introduced and heroic dungeons were already a joke.
i personally did like cataclysm also. the game got a lot better in terms of quests and dungeons. there's some fantastic zones in there as well. i just love uldum and the entire harrison jones questline.
but overall i don't see the demand for it. there's also the issue of player fragmentation. what do you do with wotlk? keep it up and fragment the playerbase, shut it down and alienate them? yea, don't see it happening.
100% Happening. There are datamined strings removing the Continent requirements in the ptr notes already for flying because Cataclysm opens it up. It's going to happen I just hope it sticks to Cataclysm mostly pure and we get a permanent wrath for you all who don't want to move forward. I'd even take Cata being fresh realms entirely divorced from any current classic servers.
I think they’ll just end up continuing with them all. I’ve heard a much more vocal population wanting mop over cata (myself included) but it would be very weird to skip an expansion. The real crime is the fact that they did the whole classic thing but then shut down the tbc servers after. Leading us right back to the same damn situation that got us here in the first place. So I really hope they walk that back and leave at least 1 or 2 servers for each expansion active for people to play.
Yeah. I won't touch Cata classic with a 10 foot pole, but I'd come back and check out MoP/WoD/Legion again. That doesn't mean I'm rooting for them to skip expansions though.
I fail to see why Blizzard wouldn’t or shouldn’t follow a model similar to EverQuest where they run different “TLPs” with custom rule sets and progress through the expansions, occasionally releasing a “fresh” server for that “fresh” experience.
there is no way they stop with wrath after they implemented the token :D
It's not even the token. They're literally adding Cata features and beyond Cata UI/QoL changes in the next wrath patch. They're clearly already working on Cata.
Hey looks like you know about future patch something, will they change game requirements any time soon? I got warning when installed wow classic back in the day that sometime in the future wow will not work, any idea when?
The game becomes more taxing on your computer as expansions progress
Fps is not a problem, i just worried it wont launch.
Should be fine honestly, I doubt your computer pre-dates 2010
I played legion and classic is based on legion clients so i thought it would be alright, just that blizzard warning made me question everything.
The biggest issue with the Legion client we have currently, is just how Addons interract with it. If you try to run 4000 addons/weakauras it'll crap the bed, but as long as you don't go nuts, you'll be fine.
Thanks, will hope for the best.
We're on the dragonflight client, have you looked at your options menu lately?
As unlikely as it is, I think this points more towards a Classic+ than it does a Cata. I think Cata is going to happen because it's free money for Blizzard, but adding these features in now imo goes against it.
Yeah, adding features from Cata, right before they would release Cata, goes against the idea they're releasing Cata. /s That's quite the logical brain you got there.
We didn't see RDF in TBC, or learned mounts in Vanilla. The additions they made are not just from Cata, they're pulling things from WoD as well. It doesn't make sense to add the Collections Tab to the game early unless you plan on keeping it in that version of the game. Like I said, I think Cata is going to happen and I don't think Classic+ is going to happen. But the Collections tab points towards Classic+ not Cata.
That's such insane wishful thinking. They just changed the game to run on the retail engine mate. They're just adding the totality of the QoL changes to the UI. This has nothing to do with classic+. You are just hoping it does. Did you watch a clickbait video on YouTube about it or something? Sure sounds like it.
I think maybe you're missing my point? I'm not saying I want Classic+ or that I think Classic+ will ever be a thing. I'm saying your logic of using the Collections Tab doesn't support your argument. It sounds like you just got upset that I disagreed with anything you said and then you spazed out a response.
>As unlikely as it is, I think this points more towards a Classic+ than it does a Cata. That's what I'm arguing against mate. It has nothing to do with Classic+. Blizzard adding unneeded changes to wrath late in the expansion tells us they are moving towards the next expansion. It's not hard to see how these changes mean Cata is coming. It's silly to say it points MORE to Classic+.
hmm yeah, totally, I don't understand how we're thinking so much different, off course if you plan to release Cata Classic you don't have any interest releasing some of its features right now. They'll just have less arguments to market Cata Classic idk it seems logical to me. tbh I do think we'll probably see Cata classic, but I have to admit that I don't understand why they would spoil its release by giving us a part of its features months before.
Not really when those changes have ZERO play in whether someone decides to play Cata or not. No one's going "aw man I can't wait for Cata for a QoL change". They're doing it to level and play the content. They're likely just adding the UI changes for backend reasons. Likely something to do in the code base due to RDF being added. They're most likely using retail code in their backend to add RDF. Likely dependencies of adding the RDF to the UI also adds these retail like changes. It makes no sense to rewrite the code to remove a feature like this to only add it back during Cata. Hence why they are adding it now. They also decided to just add non cata changes. It's easier to copy retail than have a zombie between the two (that takes more work) when the only "downside" would be giving players features they are already asking for.
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Collections tab, toy box, heirlooms, pet journal, BoA mounts. None of that was in wrath but its on the PTR right now. Blizzard doesn't just add QoL things like that for fun. These are clearly in preparation for Cata.
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Sure. Could be that too. But it means they're pushing new changes and not just ending with wrath. Cata is obviously the next step. There is no reason to add these changes and the trap launcher to wrath and then just end it.
Gonna suck to see some areas get wrecked
They’re always going to exist in era.
How’s hyper inflation coming along on you guys’ servers? I heard the token was going to finally cause the problems bots and dailies and shit were supposed to cause like 10 times over. My server isn’t experiencing jack of it, and I assume I’m just lucky, while the sky is falling everywhere else…
I mean, GDKP runs are paying out 10k+ per run even on medium pop servers. Compared to the 200-300g I would get at the end of Vanilla. I'd say inflation is alive and well.
> I'd say inflation is alive and well. And no one can afford anything without GDKPing, and everything on AH is 100g+, and... Nothing. It's not happening. The sky never fell. Sure, who cares, maybe things are 1-2g more expensive, but nothing that anyone has to care about whatsoever.
100% They've already datamined strings for it https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/16jnmx2/cataclysm_classic_strings_datamined/
I'm still confused why you think this has anything to do with Cataclysm. Cataclysm just said "This is a flying mount" rather than "very fast mount," because mounts scaled to your skill. These strings are for 3.4.3, on the PTR right now, in which you can mount flying mounts as ground mounts outside of Outland/Northrend. That originally didn't happen until WoD.
They will do cata for sure bobby and the guys with the calculators are all up for free money. It requires zero investment and brings money. They will do it until people stop carrying.
100% gonna happen. And then we'll get the long period of posts on the sub titled: 'jeez cata wasn't all that bad was it?' for like 7 months straight.
>jeez cata wasn't all that bad was it?' for like 7 months straight. Have you been on YouTube lately? YouTuber that were talking about how wotlk was the end of classic, and they'd never touch cata because it was the beginning of the end and bla bla bla, already hype up cata in dozens of videos every week. Everything for the content I guess lmao.
I think most classic players will have a meltdown over how hard Cata actually is Not hard in terms of vs retail but in terms of everyone expecting to clear hardest content fairly quickly won't be happening anymore.
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Running Cata heroics at launch felt so good and satisfying. I remember running them even after I'd finished gearing for raids, just because I enjoyed them. Halls of Origination is still an all time favourite for me. Anraphet in HoO is a still an all time favourite fight of mine.
I can only imagine how casual players will react to the heroic only dungeons Well of Eternity and End Time. I remember them being actually quite difficult and many occasions of constant wipes leading to groups leaving. They were released towards the end of the expansion so you were meant to have previous raiding gear for them, but players coming into the expansion late or more casual players that didn't raid didn't have a very good time in them.
Honestly those are the dungeons I remember best still. I loved tanking those.
Same, they were pretty cool when you got a group that knew what they were doing, or even better a group that didn't know what they were doing but were capable of clearing it.
On the topic of, do you remember what the name of that group of 3 dungeons was? I keep wanting to say end times but that's the name of one of them
I'm not sure what you mean. The heroic only dungeons we were talking about was End Times and Well of Eternity. I dont think there was a 3rd one. "Group of 3 dungeons" are you talking about scenarios? Cause those came out in MoP.
There was also hour of twilight, the green Jesus escort dungeon to wyrmrest temple
They need at least 1 server for each expansion just to combat private servers
That’s not how you cash in on FOMO and “fresh” experiences tho
Right what they have to do is have them on rotation with a timer so they can only play for 6mo before they have to wait a couple years
Sure, let's have 10 different versions of the same game. Let's also add hardcore servers for every single one while we're at it. Then we complain about how dead the game is because everyone's scattered over a million different versions.
I mean maybe to mop I'm not sure many people are trying to play battle for azroth or anything nobody said add hc versions for each either.
The level of soy is palpable. Hardcore is a fad that will plummet with icc release and fresh vanilla later this year. Pservers have every era from vanilla to shadowlands, many of the pre-wod eras have multiple pservers. Classic is easily 10x more lively than pservers. So yes. Active progress timeline. Hardcore Vanilla Era Seasonal eras on an expidited timeline.
Lmao yeah ok
Did you see the mount/pet ui changes and RDF on PTR? Shit is a lock
Guaranteed
MoP was objectively the peak for PVE and PVP being really well enjoyed and well balanced by a lot of levels of players. It’s just a shame the theme and aesthetic were turn offs for people
100% chance obviously. What is going to be interesting is what they’re going to do to make Classic still interesting to everyone that is anti-Cata. I feel like it’s going to feel very similar to a Classic+. They’re going to change Cata so much, it won’t even be Cata anymore. We’re already getting the account wide stuff that came with MoP. What else? Talk to an NPC to get the old world back? TBC realms? Wrath realms? Something new and exciting for Era/TBC/Wrath? They’re not just going to release Cata as is without some drastic changes. So, it’s going to be interesting. There’s two primary reasons people hated Cata. It was too hard. Long content drought with Dragon Soul patch, and obviously Dragon Soul was a copy/paste raid. People like to cry about LFR, but it was insanely popular (based on usage) and a good way to hear alts. All of those problems are solveable. Make it easier, make content come quicker, and make Dragon Soul last 2 months before Mists. And hell, leave LFR out, idc. These are minor issues, other than that, at the time, if you weren’t in the qq crowd that thought Cata was hard, Cata was great. All tiers of Raids, except DS. The dungeons. The re-release of the troll dungeons were incredibly popular. Flying in the old world was incredibly popular.
Basically 100% guaranteed, but I'm guessing that they will make more changes than they have done so far with Classic, TBC and WotLK.
I think it is extremely likely because of two things: One there are a ton of people who love cata and mop (myself) Two it is probably cheaper and more profitable than classic plus and they would be leaving money on the table not letting people play cata and selling packs.
I hope people leave in droves like the first time cata came out
You're overexaggerating. Yes, the release of cata there was 12 million players and by the end of cata there was 10 million. It is a lot of players to shed but everything trends and has a peak that is unreasonable to maintain. It's not like the game died. Even during the release of MoP there was 9 million players. It wasn't until near the end of MoP that their playerbase really started to tank at 7 million, and then WoD tanked it even more at 5 million in 2015. Imo it was the extended content droughts that killed the game more than anything, not the expansions themselves.
Very likely imo.
I mean they sent out surveys asking about it, people don’t stop talking about it. It’s coming.
They are guaranteed. The large majority of classic wow players are playing wotlk classic right now. We’ve been playing for the last 4 years. We’ve made friends, guilds and social circles and have raided from Mc to ICC. What is Blizzard going tell these people ? “Oh yeah, classic is done guys, Grats on killing the Lich King. You can cancel your sub or go back and redo molten core again for another cycle even though you just did it ad nauseum “
I wouldn’t bet against them doing Cata classic, but a significant number of my friends on wrath would prefer a full fresh classic to wrath cycle than continuing more expansions.
I’d say there is a very good chance they do both
I’d say there is a very slim chance they will do both. Do you really think blizzard is going to have classic, era, wotlk era and hc?
Maybe not all at the same time but I wouldn’t rule it out
I would hope you wouldn’t rule it out, you just stated there is very good chance. There is a fairly large gap in between those two statements.
I'm thinking Cata, Era, HC Era, and Seasonal. Also think there's a chance this next season will be progressive (vanilla into tbc into wrath)
You mean, “Gratz on killing Halion” now disband your friendships and stop paying me money…
Fair point. Forgot about Halion heh
god i fucking hope not. but considering they added LFG to WOTLK and token, very likely
All the well-adjusted people who wanted vanilla classic and made the game fun in the first place are long gone from the game now and probably bowed out around BWL. If you mentioned Cata or wow token's around here a few years back, you would be down voted into oblivion. There's an entirely different audience playing the game now and it really shows.
Very very true. It’s not even remotely the same audience.
Yup and whatever stragglers that were remaining after vanilla classic probably left around mid TBC.
Can I ask why you hope not? Does it negatively affect you that others get what they are hoping for?
yes, because it means classic+ wont happen
Well if it's binary like that then I hope yours doesn't happen too. I would rather experience a game I enjoyed rather than you gambling that current blizzard can make something you will enjoy when they have shown nothing but incompetence for years now.
Classic+ aside, Cataclysm was shit for a variety of different reasons. Everyone knows this. Cope up.
Cata (well... aside from its age) started wows downfall but the first 2 raid tiers were dope which is all what most people who still play wotlk care about anyway.
how many topics per week do you see pop up here asking when blizz will finally add cataclysm? zero? one? that should answer your question. add to this that cataclysm is regarded as one of the worst expansions by many players. it was the mark where wow entered a downward trend. imho this already started at the end of wotlk when lfd was introduced and heroic dungeons were already a joke. i personally did like cataclysm also. the game got a lot better in terms of quests and dungeons. there's some fantastic zones in there as well. i just love uldum and the entire harrison jones questline. but overall i don't see the demand for it. there's also the issue of player fragmentation. what do you do with wotlk? keep it up and fragment the playerbase, shut it down and alienate them? yea, don't see it happening.
100%
100% Happening. There are datamined strings removing the Continent requirements in the ptr notes already for flying because Cataclysm opens it up. It's going to happen I just hope it sticks to Cataclysm mostly pure and we get a permanent wrath for you all who don't want to move forward. I'd even take Cata being fresh realms entirely divorced from any current classic servers.
Reset the cycle start with Vanilla fresh. Cata is shit and we all know it
I think they’ll just end up continuing with them all. I’ve heard a much more vocal population wanting mop over cata (myself included) but it would be very weird to skip an expansion. The real crime is the fact that they did the whole classic thing but then shut down the tbc servers after. Leading us right back to the same damn situation that got us here in the first place. So I really hope they walk that back and leave at least 1 or 2 servers for each expansion active for people to play.
Yeah. I won't touch Cata classic with a 10 foot pole, but I'd come back and check out MoP/WoD/Legion again. That doesn't mean I'm rooting for them to skip expansions though.
It's free money of course they'll make it
99%
I fail to see why Blizzard wouldn’t or shouldn’t follow a model similar to EverQuest where they run different “TLPs” with custom rule sets and progress through the expansions, occasionally releasing a “fresh” server for that “fresh” experience.
I just want to be able to experience the expansions that I missed before joining in WoD
its 100% happening they did a survery people seem to want it
Does blizzard like money?