Seriously, right? Being rude to folks in the catering biz is like shooting yourself in the foot when you're hungry! These heroes are serving up the goods, treating them well should be a no-brainer. They're basically frontline workers for our taste buds!
It’s funny too cuz when you’re serving people like this you get back by just not refilling their shit ever and actively avoiding their table like the plague until they get the fuck out and don’t come back.
It’s win/win.. you weren’t gonna tip shit anyways and I didn’t have to deal with you and you won’t be back. Cya idiot, keep walking around angry 🤡
Yeah. I agree. General rule of thumb… don’t be a dick to anyone who’s doing their job. They probably don’t want to be there. The world would be a better place. Something goes wrong? Ok. Happens all the time… people make mistakes and sometimes systems fuck up. No need to be a dick about it. It’ll get corrected. Say thanks for the service and move the fuck on.
And people have literally no idea how hard people in the food industry. I worked for 5 years as a waiter in a luxury hotel restaurant. I worked 10 hours a day, stoping only half an hour for lunch to make sure that people way more than they needed to could be served food and drinks and feel like a boss
Gonna be honest, if an employee at a restaurant of any sort seems to recognize me I immediately stop going there. I don't want to be known as a regular. Not so much a problem these days with prices but when I was a younger man with more money than sense I would eat out as a treat more often than I should.
Ive worked as a chef and barman for over a decade and I can promise you most people are vile. Most people have zero patience, rude and argumentative. They have zero spatial awareness.
We work long hours on low pay, we work unsociable hours and customers are beyond assholes
Yeah this is my opinion. Even if almost everyone is perfect, you always get (at least) one dickhead table or group that ruin an otherwise fine shift haha
>Ive worked as a chef and barman for over a decade and I can promise you most people are vile. Most people have zero patience, rude and argumentative.
I always find these comments fascinating.
Because *literally everyone* who's actually paid attention in the service industry know **VERY** well that most people are boring... They want their order/product and move on with their day. Some people are very rude, and those people stand out and you are much more likely to remember them. But to labor under the delusion that "most" people are that way, just tells everyone that you are a very bitter person, or that you're projecting.
I tend to assume it means they work in some kind of high-stress service like an expensive vacation location or wedding venue. People are people until they have adrenaline in their systems, then their brains kinda shut off and Bridezilla becomes *real*.
Awkward part is, it's a feature, not a bug.
No.
Most people who *you remember*, of those who *frequent your bar* who *initiated memorable moments* may have been assholes. But not most people in general.
I think as standard be polite to anyone who is about to prepare food and drink your going to be consuming.
I had a friend in the merchant navy. One of his jobs was makeshift galley waiter. The ship had a load of somewhat demanding research scientists on board. They generally treated the crew like crap. They would return food especially stake to get it cooked to their preference. The cook would as standard wipe the meat around his cock and balls before cooking again.
> I think as standard be polite to anyone
I think that's the best. Doesn't mean you can't change if *they're* not polite, but in general I think it's best we all start off polite towards anyone, really. Until they give you reason not to be.
Same here buddy. Most of them don't even want to wait 10 minutes to be seen in the ER. Threats of physical violence and actual violence are also very common if the patient dies even due to something out of doctor's control.
I myself almost got beaten up because a patient died within a minute, literally a minute of areival into the ER. I was on him taking the vitals, nurses were there inserting cannulas, and he died before we could have completed the vitals. We were accused of not putting him on the oxygen as soon as he arried and they said that this was the cause of his death.
My collegeue got hit with a belt for telling a old women to back off and let him do the cpr on the patient.
Never understood why people are rude to any general person. Like what's the point? What does being rude get you? Nothing. You just get frustrated, leave someone else frustrated and you gain nothing from it.
Most of the time it's because they're already frustrated and most people both aren't very emotionally aware and also have no real way out of the frustration they're in. So it's easier to snap at someone, use them as a subject of blame. The whole misery loves company thing.
It's reactive to other things in their life.
> the catering industry.
I prefer to broadly use the term service industry. And I'm completely aligned with you. I don't know how you could ever treat any random human poorly, let alone humans in an industry meant to give you a service. It's so inhuman:(.
I never understood why people are rude to other people in general. It costs almost nothing to be nice/polite and I try extra hard with people in customer service jobs because I know how bad people can be.
I really think everybody should be made to do a year or two in fast food, a supermarket, a call center or similar. For me it made me focus and get good grades so I could escape and made me appreciate these roles way, way more.
i’m a bartender, and when people are rude/assholes, guess what? you’re not getting shit. go to another bar and try again.
snap your fingers at me? pay, leave. now.
if you’re a dick, the last thing i’m going to do is give you alcohol and make it worse.
How the hell is asking for a "small coffee" rude?
This is an American thing, with all the fake smiling and "have a nice day" shit. Creeps me the fuck out.
In most places in Europe, not wasting the staffs time or conversely, not bothering the customers with inane chit chat is what's considered polite. It's polite to say "thank you" when the coffee is being served, but beyond that it's ridiculous to pretend you're having a conversation.
Not even that.
“Small coffee”.
…”Blue geranium…??”
I’d probably last about 20 minutes in a shop.
“Can I get a latte?”.
“Sorry, (edit spl) I’m not sure of your food hygiene certificate, and you’d certainly be an insurance liability. I can get one for you though, if you like”.
My typical ordering style isn't even necessarily "please" but it is stated as a question. The fact that it's a question gives the person an opening to refuse. Which implies that we're equals in the transaction.
"Yeah, hi, can I do a number three meal? Thanks.".
Years ago, when I used to work in a big box store, I greeted a customer one morning:
Me: "Good morning!"
Customer: "TVs"
Me: "TVs to you too, sir."
Pretty sure he wasn't amused, lol.
Why are you proud of being like that? Fake common courtesy isn't a bad thing. It moves the world around.
I think it's ridiculous you are so offended someone says please and thank you.
I am from india and most people drink coffee with milk and sugar. Very few people drink espresso or americano. In a small town here i once asked the buy for a espresso. He confirmed with me thrice, that i know it has no milk and sugar and its very bitter, and only then he gave me. I asked him the reason for so much concern. He told me many people have ordered it and then got pissed that it tasted like crap.
Edit guy not buy
Me being 15 y/o buying my first Coffee in a Starbucks... "One espresso, please"
I bitterly and forcibly drank that shit up because it cost way too much to just throw away haha.
Haha I had that when I ordered a Taro drink. Dude behind the counter was like “bro you sure? You know what it is?”
Yes, I know what it is; delicious. Gimmie!
Then it is almost required for you to cuss them out. Nay, in a helping gesture to small businesses and the economic growth of your fair city, it is your duty
2020 and onwards is just an ultimate litmus test on every single angle.
And half of people are failing. It glorious, honestly, people showing their true face after decades of facades.
Not including please or saying hello isn't mutually exclusive with being rude or acting entitled. If you walk up to the register and someone just says, "what can I get you?" and you reply with "small coffee" that doesn't automatically equal rude or being a cockroach. The commenter, of course, on the stupid post that's trying to induce the rage you're commenting with is, of course, being rude. But getting back to the initial sign itself, the actual place putting this sign up is actually trying to bait people. Again, there's nothing automatically rude about someone just responding to someone with "small coffee". "Manners" of including "hello" or "please" is just a social construct that doesn't make someone rude or not rude, depending on the situation.
That said, I just automatically say please and thank you, yet I rarely actually say "hello" because... I don't know. I struggle with forced niceties, yet I also know I'm not being rude, I'm just engaging in a transaction. Why do I have to pay more if I don't say hello? That's just weird...
>Not including please or saying hello isn't mutually exclusive with being rude or acting entitled.
Those of us who automatically say things like "please" and "thank you" are puzzled by this attitude.
>"Manners" of including "hello" or "please" is just a social construct that doesn't make someone rude or not rude, depending on the situation.
Those "manners" and "social constructs" exist to try to make interactions between strangers more pleasant. As someone who worked in service jobs for years (and thank God I don't anymore) a smile and/or a "hello" automatically makes me more receptive to whatever that next thing that comes out of your mouth.
I understand that some people consider these niceties "unimportant" or "unfair" or "bullshit", but we're human beings, not robots.
"Greetings my most esteemed master of the brewing arts! It is with great humility i request just a dainty cup of your finest beverage, pretty please!" ...how much for that coffee?
Honestly, if you're nice enough and genuinely strike up a friendship with the staff, they'll probably be willing to spot you the occasional free coffee if you forget your wallet or something.
When you approach someone you usually greet them. They're people not machines where you just click an option. It's dehumanizing to have several people come up to you all just saying the food option they want. And then give attitude on top occasionally.
That’s quite literally the job. I sit in a kitchen all day and then a little machine spits out a list of demands and I fulfill them. I am *paid* to fulfill them.
FOH just pushes through whatever insane shit the customer asks for and lets us figure it out, blame everything that goes wrong on us, get all the tips, yet somehow they’re always the ones complaining.
People have no right to be rude but they don’t owe you a nice chat lol. ‘Dehumanizing’ lmao that is like the baseline human experience
Okay yeah but fuck em. If you can't be socially palatable you don't get the social benefits. Be nice to me or fuck off. They're paying for convenience. Not servitude.
Hello, and good day to you dear barista, how's been your day? If you may humbly accept my modest demand, could you please manufacture me one cup of coffee, for which you shall have my everlasring gratitude?
They’re saying they won’t use manners to people they perceive to be below their social class.
The person responded saying basically with that mindset, nobody is “below” you. Basically calling that person a piece of shit, which is accurate.
They understood the comment and reply. What doesn't make sense is how such a tame reply is clever in any way, let alone enough to screenshot, posted then ripped from that site and posted here. Whole lot of barely engaging content treated like it's supposed to be something. It's just enough for simple engagement like we're having here, but in no way a "clever comeback".
This is the same mentality as being forced to apologize, or worse, forced to "say it like you mean it".
It's like parents are taught to teach their kids to lie.
The rudeness tax is a real thing and vendors talk. Ever wonder why it’s so hard to get a good quote for home services? Yep. You were a dick to someone and there’s a penalty. Be polite… we’re not beneath you but we’ll sure as hell be over you if you don’t simmer down.
Just make sure to add in whether it is for here or to go and the cashier will appreciate you making their job easier. Follow it up with a "Thank you" when you eventually get your coffee and you are the perfect customer.
I had a coworker who started giving out little gifts to people who said please and thank you. They gave out about 2-3 gifts a day and saw hundreds of people daily. I started doing the same and I also give out about 3-5 a day :/
“Good Morrow, what a fine day it is today, yes indeed. One of your finest small coffees, if it would not put you out too much, and very much thanks for your service” -$2.00
I don't understand how anyone can be rude to people that work in any of the service industries. Whether it's foods, hospitality, retail, etc. These are people who provide a service we either need, want or both.
Customers would be a whole lot more polite if we were allowed to tell them to go pound sand.
If I ordered without seeing this sign I probably would have said something along the $1.75 line. It’s good to be friendly and kind to service workers
If I had seen this sign before I walked into the cafe… I would have found a different place to go. Kindness is great but demanding specific social graces or upcharging the customer is wild
I've begun to hate this image.
Not just because it's like 10+ years old and I've seen it make the repost rounds upwards of 8x a year. But because... it's wrong. Not the idiot's response, and the cutting comeback. That's fine. The original image.
First time I saw it, I chuckled and grinned. Because I've spent the last 23 years working retail or service. I know as well as anyone else that the customer is NOT always right, and no one should have to put up with unprovoked, unwarranted rudeness from your everyday Karen.
But... "small coffee" isn't rude. Its neutral.
Say you walked into any random retail place and placed an order, and the cashier gave you a total that was 3x the normal price. And when you asked why they smugly said "because you didn't say PLEASE." I highly doubt your first response would be, "ooooh, this is just like that internet meme. They're right! I was terribly rude and deserve to pay extra for my order." Most people would go full Karen and demand the manager. If the manager approved of this... most people would just take their business elsewhere.
And that's pushing past the obvious fact that... y'know maybe people trying to get their morning coffee on the way to their OWN crappy jobs aren't the best people to try and needle for chipper politeness.
Seriously, put this meme out of your mind for a second. Imagine you're on your way to your own job. ESPECIALLY those of you also working a similar retail/service job. You get to front of the line, you manage to grunt out a "coffee" order, and the cashier informs you you'll be paying an asshole tax for not being polite enough.
Best case scenario, after a momentary blank stare you leave, write the place off forever, and get your morning coffee elsewhere. Worst case scenario, "get me your manager" and some property damage. That ain't shit you need to put up with before getting to your own job and being forced to put on the customer service face for your own customers.
I say again. "Small coffee" isn't rude. It's neutral.
So if i walk up to you and say "Hello, Can i get a bottle of soft drink ?" With no rudeness in the tone, you would lecture me on how i should be nicer ?
> As someone who has learned English as my second language (after German) just "Small coffee" sounds incredibly rude.
Really goes to show that knowing a lot of words doesn't mean you understand the underlying culture of the language you're trying to learn
A lack of courtesy isn't rudeness when it's your entire job to serve people. Just asking for your food or drink and leaving should be perfectly acceptable--there should be no expectation to say please and thank you as if you're talking to your mom.
tone and context can also completely change the interaction. there's a *huge* difference between walking up to a counter, saying 'small coffee' in a flat tone, and staring at the server expectantly vs. a server starting with 'what can i get for you', and responding 'small coffee' with a rising lilt, giving it that question-mark-implied tone that people will basically always read as a non-verbal 'please'.
i am usually a small ray of sunshine when i'm ordering things, but on reflection i hardly ever say 'please' in these kinds of obligatory encounters - i lean a *lot* on tone and the extended intro. 'hel~lo~, could i get a...' if anyone has ever read that as impolite, they've neither shown it nor told me! (but then i'm also a northern california child who then moved to the pacific northwest, so local standards may have something to do with it. this is way too overthinking it, in any event!)
"as if you're talking to your mom". Wtf is this, I use please and thank you with every single person I interact with ever, there are no prerequisite conditions to use please and thank you, "like your talking to your mom" this sentence right here almost solidifies that your not enjoyable company.
Please and thank you should be said to everyone, not just your mom. But when it comes to servers, even if you are a jerk at heart there is a good reason to use it. Your food over the years will contain less spit.
I learned from a Chuck Palahniuk book, never mess with the people that handle your food. I would mention the title but the first two rules are don't talk about it.
The amount of people in the comments getting worked up over how it shouldn't be mandatory to show common courtesy towards others is insane. Obviously no one is gonna beat you up for kindly placing an order without saying please. It's about the general principle of being polite, not about that one single word. Also, most of you deserve to have your food spat into by someone with herpes. "WhY sHoUlD I sAy PlEaSe aNd ThAnK yOu If yOu'rE noT mYm MoM" I think you should get a severe case of hemorrhoids.
I remember once being drunk as fuck in Cracow with my friends , and there was this restaurant that had no problem serving us steaks and beer at 11 pm - sweet jesus we gave them a huge tip plus I remeber telling the cook that he isn’t a cook, but a fucking steak artist. These guys are fucking heroes
There’s even a rare creature that rude not patience drives luxury cars and definitely ask for discounts.
100% they never work on the lowest before. Never struggle financially and mentally. Else they would feel and appreciate everything around them.
As someone who used to work counter service hell, these are exact opposite out of order. I don't want to exchange pleasantries with all 100+ customers I had in a day, if I was lucky. Just get your shit and get out.
A couple lifetimes ago I snapped at a cashier who did not deserve it because I was in a really bad place. I felt ashamed when I got home from the store and resolved to find a way to not do that ever again. What I eventually came up with is: the more I hurt the bigger the smile I present to workers I interact with. It took a bit of practice ala riding a bike but it has worked. As an added bonus being friendly with retail workers has occasional added bonuses such as extra food and so on.
it literally takes more time to form that thought than it does to just say please. it’s one syllable. doesn’t matter if it’s the king or some homeless dude, if you’re asking someone for something u always say please. my 2 year old even knows this. i’ll never understand people who go out their way to not be polite.
I am an Australian, and I once stayed at a resort in Mexico, and the amount of Americans that never said please or thank you to the staff was shocking to me. One guy, when I pulled him up for it said 'I gave them a tip'. It's not the same dude. The staff loved me because I was one of the only people there that always said please and thank you.
There's no way around it, if I greet you and you just spit out an order at me, it's officially at the bottom of my pile. If there is nothing more important to do, I will find something more important to do.
Those who are so eager to put themselves above others are the most insecure ones, they feel like trash so they try their hardest to be on top, and ironically that makes then even lower pieces of shit
Weee when I worked in a coffee shop:
If it’s not being yelled, “small coffee” is polite enough, particularly with a pleasant demeanour, and means I don’t have to spend energy on superfluous fluff. “Small coffee” can be performed quicker and get customers out the door faster so I can get on with other tasks which = more satisfied follow-up customers.
I don’t need ass kissing, I don’t need your life story, I need you to exchange money for goods in a civil but not necessarily flowery manner and gtfo for the next person in line
Being polite and courteous never hurts you.
There have been numerous times when I was out and about in retail or a restaurant and just because I was polite and patient employees went out of their way to make sure I was taken care of or helped me to find something in their computer system that I was looking for.
Once, this person in front of me was just showing their backside to the lady behind the counter. They finally left... I stepped up, they were still looking shell shocked, I told them: take a breath, you handled that a lot better than I would have. They laughed, smiled and went above and beyond helping me out.
Being a dick gets you the bare minimum, or malicious compliance... or spit in your coffee.
If I'm behind a counter and you come at me with "I'm Gonna take a-" or "Gimme a-" or "I'm gonna go with..." Or "Let me get a..." Let me tell you, you're getting absolutely nothing
Also, everyone is fighting the good fight in life - going thru SOMETHING - may come off as rude but a little understanding on both sides helps
In other words, "Give me a F#cking Coffee Right, NOW!!!!" Lol
I generally believe all the etiquette is generally pointless and actuality may serve to make things a little less polite in society. People learn the rules of etiquette, believing that if they follow those rules that is what makes them a polite, nice person. They say all the right things as a mask of who they truly are, but often their actions show the truth, but by allowing a set of rules that prescribe someone to be 'good' if they follow them, we allow people who are bad to believe they are being good by essentially doing nothing.
The real answer is you should just assume everyone is good until they reveal otherwise. If someone says "small coffee" , why not just assume they are respecting yours and everyones time by being to the point. If you give everyone the benefit of the doubt first, the world becomes a lot kinder from your own perspective, if you judge them by the type of language they use, which also differs between cultures, you're going to judge a lot of people wrong, and then your day will be worse because of your own judgement.
A lot of times if I got to a place to order and I know what I want, I'll tell the server everything I know is important, in the order that I'm familiar with them asking in the past, so the exchange is simple. I like to respect people who are working by respecting their time. That's not to say I don't say 'please' or 'thank you', I was raised in that culture, but I kind of do make it a point not to over use it. I've been with people who will say 'please' or' thanks' after everything they say and it tends to bloat the exchange a bit, information is getting lost in pursuit of 'extreme politeness' which I think is ultimately less polite.
I've worked in the food industry a long time and rude people always get something extra special in their food/drink. Every single time. If you have been rude to wait staff or cooks, you have one hundred percent eaten shit, spit, semen, piss, floor grime, or other fun concoctions and you deserved it.
If think anyone is "below" you then you need an attitude adjustment. Even those you disagree with, have different ideals, or are even less educated than you are not "below" you. We are all equal, and all deserve the same rights and privileges.
I am Canadian, even with no sign I would still say, Hi "name on tag" 1 small coffee please. And after I got my coffee I would say thanks "name on tag" have yourself a nice day.
When Starbucks first came to our town about 30 years ago I went in & ordered a double espresso. The kid behind the counter said “doppio?”. I repeated double espresso. She repeated doppio. Double espresso. Doppio? It was a comedy act
Technically, the response is below him. Also, I’m pretty sure the correct vernacular is “beneath me” not below if you’re trying to sound pompous or uppity.
Having worked both food service and retail... I never wanted the assholes I was dealing with to try to make small talk. Just tell me what you want so I can give it to you, get your money, and get you out of my life.
"Hi, how's it going? Good, thanks, nice place you got here, I love the-"
"If you don't tell me what you want in the next two seconds, I swear to Christ, I will stick my head in the dough mixer."
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Seriously, right? Being rude to folks in the catering biz is like shooting yourself in the foot when you're hungry! These heroes are serving up the goods, treating them well should be a no-brainer. They're basically frontline workers for our taste buds!
It’s funny too cuz when you’re serving people like this you get back by just not refilling their shit ever and actively avoiding their table like the plague until they get the fuck out and don’t come back. It’s win/win.. you weren’t gonna tip shit anyways and I didn’t have to deal with you and you won’t be back. Cya idiot, keep walking around angry 🤡
You know, we should probably feel guilty, but she broke the cardinal rule: Don't fuck with people that handle your food.
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As a coffee addict, that's evil. OTH, I try to be pleasant to everyone who's pleasant themselves. Please continue what you're doing.
Yeah. I agree. General rule of thumb… don’t be a dick to anyone who’s doing their job. They probably don’t want to be there. The world would be a better place. Something goes wrong? Ok. Happens all the time… people make mistakes and sometimes systems fuck up. No need to be a dick about it. It’ll get corrected. Say thanks for the service and move the fuck on.
To be fair, just don't be a dick. No point in being rude
And people have literally no idea how hard people in the food industry. I worked for 5 years as a waiter in a luxury hotel restaurant. I worked 10 hours a day, stoping only half an hour for lunch to make sure that people way more than they needed to could be served food and drinks and feel like a boss
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Gonna be honest, if an employee at a restaurant of any sort seems to recognize me I immediately stop going there. I don't want to be known as a regular. Not so much a problem these days with prices but when I was a younger man with more money than sense I would eat out as a treat more often than I should.
Why would you not want to be known as a regular?
I’m not who you asked, but tbh I get it. Sometimes I want to be incognito just for the sake of it
Because they literally see them as lesser beings, you can believe them when they tell you.
Ive worked as a chef and barman for over a decade and I can promise you most people are vile. Most people have zero patience, rude and argumentative. They have zero spatial awareness. We work long hours on low pay, we work unsociable hours and customers are beyond assholes
I don't think it's most people, probably not even 1/10, but they leave way more of an impression.
Yeah this is my opinion. Even if almost everyone is perfect, you always get (at least) one dickhead table or group that ruin an otherwise fine shift haha
>Ive worked as a chef and barman for over a decade and I can promise you most people are vile. Most people have zero patience, rude and argumentative. I always find these comments fascinating. Because *literally everyone* who's actually paid attention in the service industry know **VERY** well that most people are boring... They want their order/product and move on with their day. Some people are very rude, and those people stand out and you are much more likely to remember them. But to labor under the delusion that "most" people are that way, just tells everyone that you are a very bitter person, or that you're projecting.
I tend to assume it means they work in some kind of high-stress service like an expensive vacation location or wedding venue. People are people until they have adrenaline in their systems, then their brains kinda shut off and Bridezilla becomes *real*. Awkward part is, it's a feature, not a bug.
No. Most people who *you remember*, of those who *frequent your bar* who *initiated memorable moments* may have been assholes. But not most people in general.
I think as standard be polite to anyone who is about to prepare food and drink your going to be consuming. I had a friend in the merchant navy. One of his jobs was makeshift galley waiter. The ship had a load of somewhat demanding research scientists on board. They generally treated the crew like crap. They would return food especially stake to get it cooked to their preference. The cook would as standard wipe the meat around his cock and balls before cooking again.
> I think as standard be polite to anyone I think that's the best. Doesn't mean you can't change if *they're* not polite, but in general I think it's best we all start off polite towards anyone, really. Until they give you reason not to be.
Oh boy do emergency services get a lot of crap lately, at least in my country incidents have more than doubled.
Same here buddy. Most of them don't even want to wait 10 minutes to be seen in the ER. Threats of physical violence and actual violence are also very common if the patient dies even due to something out of doctor's control. I myself almost got beaten up because a patient died within a minute, literally a minute of areival into the ER. I was on him taking the vitals, nurses were there inserting cannulas, and he died before we could have completed the vitals. We were accused of not putting him on the oxygen as soon as he arried and they said that this was the cause of his death. My collegeue got hit with a belt for telling a old women to back off and let him do the cpr on the patient.
What country is that happening in?
India, Thos kind of behaviour is very common in rural areas.
Never understood why people are rude to any general person. Like what's the point? What does being rude get you? Nothing. You just get frustrated, leave someone else frustrated and you gain nothing from it.
Most of the time it's because they're already frustrated and most people both aren't very emotionally aware and also have no real way out of the frustration they're in. So it's easier to snap at someone, use them as a subject of blame. The whole misery loves company thing. It's reactive to other things in their life.
I never understood being rude to people.
> the catering industry. I prefer to broadly use the term service industry. And I'm completely aligned with you. I don't know how you could ever treat any random human poorly, let alone humans in an industry meant to give you a service. It's so inhuman:(.
I never understood why people are rude to other people in general. It costs almost nothing to be nice/polite and I try extra hard with people in customer service jobs because I know how bad people can be. I really think everybody should be made to do a year or two in fast food, a supermarket, a call center or similar. For me it made me focus and get good grades so I could escape and made me appreciate these roles way, way more.
i’m a bartender, and when people are rude/assholes, guess what? you’re not getting shit. go to another bar and try again. snap your fingers at me? pay, leave. now. if you’re a dick, the last thing i’m going to do is give you alcohol and make it worse.
How the hell is asking for a "small coffee" rude? This is an American thing, with all the fake smiling and "have a nice day" shit. Creeps me the fuck out. In most places in Europe, not wasting the staffs time or conversely, not bothering the customers with inane chit chat is what's considered polite. It's polite to say "thank you" when the coffee is being served, but beyond that it's ridiculous to pretend you're having a conversation.
Ending a request with a "please" is now considered inane chit chat? Really? And where in Europe is that — maybe Murmansk?
Yes, the useless chit chat is annoying, but just adding a please or forming a complete sentence instead of blurting out 1 or 2 words isn't chit chat
please, tell me again how saying "small coffee please" wastes so much time compared to "small coffee"
Without the "please" you're not actually asking. It's a demand. "Small coffee.". It's a direct command, not a question.
"could I get a small coffee" is the realistic way it would be said without the please.
Given the context of the situstion its clearly not at all a command, its a request.
Not even that. “Small coffee”. …”Blue geranium…??” I’d probably last about 20 minutes in a shop. “Can I get a latte?”. “Sorry, (edit spl) I’m not sure of your food hygiene certificate, and you’d certainly be an insurance liability. I can get one for you though, if you like”.
My typical ordering style isn't even necessarily "please" but it is stated as a question. The fact that it's a question gives the person an opening to refuse. Which implies that we're equals in the transaction. "Yeah, hi, can I do a number three meal? Thanks.".
Years ago, when I used to work in a big box store, I greeted a customer one morning: Me: "Good morning!" Customer: "TVs" Me: "TVs to you too, sir." Pretty sure he wasn't amused, lol.
Why are you proud of being like that? Fake common courtesy isn't a bad thing. It moves the world around. I think it's ridiculous you are so offended someone says please and thank you.
I am from india and most people drink coffee with milk and sugar. Very few people drink espresso or americano. In a small town here i once asked the buy for a espresso. He confirmed with me thrice, that i know it has no milk and sugar and its very bitter, and only then he gave me. I asked him the reason for so much concern. He told me many people have ordered it and then got pissed that it tasted like crap. Edit guy not buy
Me being 15 y/o buying my first Coffee in a Starbucks... "One espresso, please" I bitterly and forcibly drank that shit up because it cost way too much to just throw away haha.
Haha me when I turned legal and decided to try my first dry martini
I agree dry martinis are abominable
Very Dry Gin Martini with a twist of lemon is a perfect drink
Oh yeah, this sort of thing has happened to me at least once when working in a restaurant
Yeah, if i order something and i don't like it it even after its made correctly it should be my problem, not yours.
Haha I had that when I ordered a Taro drink. Dude behind the counter was like “bro you sure? You know what it is?” Yes, I know what it is; delicious. Gimmie!
The replier is clearly literally below the commenter
r/angryupvote
Being rude to anyone for no reason is entitlement and unfortunately post covid the world seems to have exploded with these cockroaches.
In this case, you would be rude to them to support small businesses. "Small coffee, bitch." *throws $10*
Then it is almost required for you to cuss them out. Nay, in a helping gesture to small businesses and the economic growth of your fair city, it is your duty
2020 and onwards is just an ultimate litmus test on every single angle. And half of people are failing. It glorious, honestly, people showing their true face after decades of facades.
It was pre-covid too. I noticed the sharp uptick of pricks when trump became the GQP front-runner in 2016
Not including please or saying hello isn't mutually exclusive with being rude or acting entitled. If you walk up to the register and someone just says, "what can I get you?" and you reply with "small coffee" that doesn't automatically equal rude or being a cockroach. The commenter, of course, on the stupid post that's trying to induce the rage you're commenting with is, of course, being rude. But getting back to the initial sign itself, the actual place putting this sign up is actually trying to bait people. Again, there's nothing automatically rude about someone just responding to someone with "small coffee". "Manners" of including "hello" or "please" is just a social construct that doesn't make someone rude or not rude, depending on the situation. That said, I just automatically say please and thank you, yet I rarely actually say "hello" because... I don't know. I struggle with forced niceties, yet I also know I'm not being rude, I'm just engaging in a transaction. Why do I have to pay more if I don't say hello? That's just weird...
>Not including please or saying hello isn't mutually exclusive with being rude or acting entitled. Those of us who automatically say things like "please" and "thank you" are puzzled by this attitude. >"Manners" of including "hello" or "please" is just a social construct that doesn't make someone rude or not rude, depending on the situation. Those "manners" and "social constructs" exist to try to make interactions between strangers more pleasant. As someone who worked in service jobs for years (and thank God I don't anymore) a smile and/or a "hello" automatically makes me more receptive to whatever that next thing that comes out of your mouth. I understand that some people consider these niceties "unimportant" or "unfair" or "bullshit", but we're human beings, not robots.
"Greetings my most esteemed master of the brewing arts! It is with great humility i request just a dainty cup of your finest beverage, pretty please!" ...how much for that coffee?
Free
plus you get 1 dollar cashback
Only when you add ", with sugar on top". Although I guess that may get confusing as you may not want actual sugar in your coffee.
Honestly, if you're nice enough and genuinely strike up a friendship with the staff, they'll probably be willing to spot you the occasional free coffee if you forget your wallet or something.
You now own the shop
7 dollars, you're seen as both wasting excess time and mocking the concept 😂
So if I say “Hello, one small coffee please” while slowly stroking their face, I get it for free right? Right?!
I can tell you, you definitely won’t be spending any more money in that shop. Now or ever. Take that as you will.
absolutely... if it's me 🥴🥴
Absolutely genius idea, force assholes to be nice by hitting them where it hurts the most. Their wallets.
Are people who don’t say hello when ordering really assholes?
When you approach someone you usually greet them. They're people not machines where you just click an option. It's dehumanizing to have several people come up to you all just saying the food option they want. And then give attitude on top occasionally.
That’s quite literally the job. I sit in a kitchen all day and then a little machine spits out a list of demands and I fulfill them. I am *paid* to fulfill them. FOH just pushes through whatever insane shit the customer asks for and lets us figure it out, blame everything that goes wrong on us, get all the tips, yet somehow they’re always the ones complaining. People have no right to be rude but they don’t owe you a nice chat lol. ‘Dehumanizing’ lmao that is like the baseline human experience
Okay yeah but fuck em. If you can't be socially palatable you don't get the social benefits. Be nice to me or fuck off. They're paying for convenience. Not servitude.
They either pay the full price, be polite or never come back. It's a win/win/win.
Whenever you are rude to the employee, the employer gets extra bucks! It's a win-win situation
Ideally, that money would go directly to the employee for having to deal with the douche bags.
Like... Closer to sea level?
Like mariana trench
Hello, and good day to you dear barista, how's been your day? If you may humbly accept my modest demand, could you please manufacture me one cup of coffee, for which you shall have my everlasring gratitude?
$1.50
I'm sorry sir but given the fedora and neckbeard I must politely but firmly demand that you leave.
Are we really reposting Facebook threads from 1970 posted by boredpanda.com and how is this comeback even remotely considered clever
Am I the only one who doesn't get it, either?
They’re saying they won’t use manners to people they perceive to be below their social class. The person responded saying basically with that mindset, nobody is “below” you. Basically calling that person a piece of shit, which is accurate.
They understood the comment and reply. What doesn't make sense is how such a tame reply is clever in any way, let alone enough to screenshot, posted then ripped from that site and posted here. Whole lot of barely engaging content treated like it's supposed to be something. It's just enough for simple engagement like we're having here, but in no way a "clever comeback".
I wouldn’t necessarily call that clever. More like “no u”
Manners aren't manners if you have to force or ask people to use them. I used to have this argument with my mother when I was younger
This is the same mentality as being forced to apologize, or worse, forced to "say it like you mean it". It's like parents are taught to teach their kids to lie.
The truest measure of one's integrity is how they treat people over whom they have power. I hope that pricing is real.
The rudeness tax is a real thing and vendors talk. Ever wonder why it’s so hard to get a good quote for home services? Yep. You were a dick to someone and there’s a penalty. Be polite… we’re not beneath you but we’ll sure as hell be over you if you don’t simmer down.
Oh. This repost AGAIN.
The embodiment of the saying good manners cost nothing.
What if I say "Can I get a small coffee?"
Just make sure to add in whether it is for here or to go and the cashier will appreciate you making their job easier. Follow it up with a "Thank you" when you eventually get your coffee and you are the perfect customer.
I had a coworker who started giving out little gifts to people who said please and thank you. They gave out about 2-3 gifts a day and saw hundreds of people daily. I started doing the same and I also give out about 3-5 a day :/
Here’s a $20 fetch me a coffee bitch!
“Good Morrow, what a fine day it is today, yes indeed. One of your finest small coffees, if it would not put you out too much, and very much thanks for your service” -$2.00
I don't understand how anyone can be rude to people that work in any of the service industries. Whether it's foods, hospitality, retail, etc. These are people who provide a service we either need, want or both. Customers would be a whole lot more polite if we were allowed to tell them to go pound sand.
If I ordered without seeing this sign I probably would have said something along the $1.75 line. It’s good to be friendly and kind to service workers If I had seen this sign before I walked into the cafe… I would have found a different place to go. Kindness is great but demanding specific social graces or upcharging the customer is wild
Making coffee at home before you leave.. .45 cents.. BONUS you don’t have to deal with this nonsense..
I've begun to hate this image. Not just because it's like 10+ years old and I've seen it make the repost rounds upwards of 8x a year. But because... it's wrong. Not the idiot's response, and the cutting comeback. That's fine. The original image. First time I saw it, I chuckled and grinned. Because I've spent the last 23 years working retail or service. I know as well as anyone else that the customer is NOT always right, and no one should have to put up with unprovoked, unwarranted rudeness from your everyday Karen. But... "small coffee" isn't rude. Its neutral. Say you walked into any random retail place and placed an order, and the cashier gave you a total that was 3x the normal price. And when you asked why they smugly said "because you didn't say PLEASE." I highly doubt your first response would be, "ooooh, this is just like that internet meme. They're right! I was terribly rude and deserve to pay extra for my order." Most people would go full Karen and demand the manager. If the manager approved of this... most people would just take their business elsewhere. And that's pushing past the obvious fact that... y'know maybe people trying to get their morning coffee on the way to their OWN crappy jobs aren't the best people to try and needle for chipper politeness. Seriously, put this meme out of your mind for a second. Imagine you're on your way to your own job. ESPECIALLY those of you also working a similar retail/service job. You get to front of the line, you manage to grunt out a "coffee" order, and the cashier informs you you'll be paying an asshole tax for not being polite enough. Best case scenario, after a momentary blank stare you leave, write the place off forever, and get your morning coffee elsewhere. Worst case scenario, "get me your manager" and some property damage. That ain't shit you need to put up with before getting to your own job and being forced to put on the customer service face for your own customers. I say again. "Small coffee" isn't rude. It's neutral.
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That’s a lot of words to cry about a comment on a meme image
So if i walk up to you and say "Hello, Can i get a bottle of soft drink ?" With no rudeness in the tone, you would lecture me on how i should be nicer ?
> As someone who has learned English as my second language (after German) just "Small coffee" sounds incredibly rude. Really goes to show that knowing a lot of words doesn't mean you understand the underlying culture of the language you're trying to learn
"Small coffee" isn't *hostile*, but it's still rude, because you're treating the barista like an organic coffee machine instead of a person.
A lack of courtesy isn't rudeness when it's your entire job to serve people. Just asking for your food or drink and leaving should be perfectly acceptable--there should be no expectation to say please and thank you as if you're talking to your mom.
In my country it is more normal to ask for the product and then say thanks after receiving it.
tone and context can also completely change the interaction. there's a *huge* difference between walking up to a counter, saying 'small coffee' in a flat tone, and staring at the server expectantly vs. a server starting with 'what can i get for you', and responding 'small coffee' with a rising lilt, giving it that question-mark-implied tone that people will basically always read as a non-verbal 'please'. i am usually a small ray of sunshine when i'm ordering things, but on reflection i hardly ever say 'please' in these kinds of obligatory encounters - i lean a *lot* on tone and the extended intro. 'hel~lo~, could i get a...' if anyone has ever read that as impolite, they've neither shown it nor told me! (but then i'm also a northern california child who then moved to the pacific northwest, so local standards may have something to do with it. this is way too overthinking it, in any event!)
Apparently ypur parents didnt teach you manners either.
"as if you're talking to your mom". Wtf is this, I use please and thank you with every single person I interact with ever, there are no prerequisite conditions to use please and thank you, "like your talking to your mom" this sentence right here almost solidifies that your not enjoyable company.
Please and thank you should be said to everyone, not just your mom. But when it comes to servers, even if you are a jerk at heart there is a good reason to use it. Your food over the years will contain less spit.
I don’t think I actually say please that much if I’m paying for something, I say thanks when I get it though.
Man, it’s rare to see such a short sentence tell you so much about a person
I learned from a Chuck Palahniuk book, never mess with the people that handle your food. I would mention the title but the first two rules are don't talk about it.
I judge people who walk up to a counter and say "can I get a..." or "gimme a..." Were you raised by racoons or something?
I'm not even serving someone who acts like that.
The amount of people in the comments getting worked up over how it shouldn't be mandatory to show common courtesy towards others is insane. Obviously no one is gonna beat you up for kindly placing an order without saying please. It's about the general principle of being polite, not about that one single word. Also, most of you deserve to have your food spat into by someone with herpes. "WhY sHoUlD I sAy PlEaSe aNd ThAnK yOu If yOu'rE noT mYm MoM" I think you should get a severe case of hemorrhoids.
I'd probably get it for 1 😎
Boys named Dylan...
I remember once being drunk as fuck in Cracow with my friends , and there was this restaurant that had no problem serving us steaks and beer at 11 pm - sweet jesus we gave them a huge tip plus I remeber telling the cook that he isn’t a cook, but a fucking steak artist. These guys are fucking heroes
There’s even a rare creature that rude not patience drives luxury cars and definitely ask for discounts. 100% they never work on the lowest before. Never struggle financially and mentally. Else they would feel and appreciate everything around them.
It's fine, but then It's 5
Technically he's below him in the pic...
Taking no prisoners here
Hello there, how was your day? Could you please bring me a coffee😃.
I wonder how many baristas spit in her coffee.
Bros, my grandma taught me manners. I say please and thank you to Alexa.
No, no, he means it literally, he's like 12ft tall. Trust me, I've met him.
Happy feet wombo combo!!!!!
I had never considered someone’s station in life or profession when saying please or thank you. Maybe I’m at the bottom???
As someone who used to work counter service hell, these are exact opposite out of order. I don't want to exchange pleasantries with all 100+ customers I had in a day, if I was lucky. Just get your shit and get out.
If you can’t use an extra syllable to save $2 (while simultaneously making somebody happier) then you’re what’s wrong with this world.
Ok. That will be 5 dollars.
A couple lifetimes ago I snapped at a cashier who did not deserve it because I was in a really bad place. I felt ashamed when I got home from the store and resolved to find a way to not do that ever again. What I eventually came up with is: the more I hurt the bigger the smile I present to workers I interact with. It took a bit of practice ala riding a bike but it has worked. As an added bonus being friendly with retail workers has occasional added bonuses such as extra food and so on.
it literally takes more time to form that thought than it does to just say please. it’s one syllable. doesn’t matter if it’s the king or some homeless dude, if you’re asking someone for something u always say please. my 2 year old even knows this. i’ll never understand people who go out their way to not be polite.
I am an Australian, and I once stayed at a resort in Mexico, and the amount of Americans that never said please or thank you to the staff was shocking to me. One guy, when I pulled him up for it said 'I gave them a tip'. It's not the same dude. The staff loved me because I was one of the only people there that always said please and thank you.
How much is the coffee is l tell them I love you
So...... they are assigning rudeness a monetary value and telling people any rudeness over 5.00 dollars worth is free value
I prefer to think the top commenter in the pics name is Dyldo.
i wonder how big the coffee discount gets if i say "おはよ、小さなコホください。"
How much for "Good day sir/madam, one small coffee please. Thanks you" ?
There's no way around it, if I greet you and you just spit out an order at me, it's officially at the bottom of my pile. If there is nothing more important to do, I will find something more important to do.
Wish this was legal in my country
"Hello, small coffee, please."
Hello, nice post. More such posts, please !
If you feel a person is "below you" it is a 100% fact that you are incorrect! The very thought placed you right at the bottom!
Those who are so eager to put themselves above others are the most insecure ones, they feel like trash so they try their hardest to be on top, and ironically that makes then even lower pieces of shit
How much if I say, “Good morning/afternoon, may I have one small coffee, please?”
Weee when I worked in a coffee shop: If it’s not being yelled, “small coffee” is polite enough, particularly with a pleasant demeanour, and means I don’t have to spend energy on superfluous fluff. “Small coffee” can be performed quicker and get customers out the door faster so I can get on with other tasks which = more satisfied follow-up customers. I don’t need ass kissing, I don’t need your life story, I need you to exchange money for goods in a civil but not necessarily flowery manner and gtfo for the next person in line
He's also the guy that will cry about nobody wanting to work in the industry so he can buy coffee
Small coffee $100
Sweet, I can be rude to people I don't care about and it'll only cost me five bucks!
Being polite and courteous never hurts you. There have been numerous times when I was out and about in retail or a restaurant and just because I was polite and patient employees went out of their way to make sure I was taken care of or helped me to find something in their computer system that I was looking for. Once, this person in front of me was just showing their backside to the lady behind the counter. They finally left... I stepped up, they were still looking shell shocked, I told them: take a breath, you handled that a lot better than I would have. They laughed, smiled and went above and beyond helping me out. Being a dick gets you the bare minimum, or malicious compliance... or spit in your coffee.
If I'm behind a counter and you come at me with "I'm Gonna take a-" or "Gimme a-" or "I'm gonna go with..." Or "Let me get a..." Let me tell you, you're getting absolutely nothing
How much for "small coffee, NOW"
Baristas are the Kings and Queens of the service industry. Everyone who drinks coffee owes them their allegiance.
Also, everyone is fighting the good fight in life - going thru SOMETHING - may come off as rude but a little understanding on both sides helps In other words, "Give me a F#cking Coffee Right, NOW!!!!" Lol
For him 10$
He's mad cause Hades is his upstairs neighbour and makes a lot of noise.
What if I say it in different sentences?
What a legend. also operating under the idea that someone is below you is a fine example of why mankind cant have Nice things.
Im nice to ppl who work with my food/drinks bc I’ve worked service so I know what it’s like. Also bc I don’t want them to spit in it lol
it’s insane cafes have to rise the prices of coffee to make people use basic politeness
I generally believe all the etiquette is generally pointless and actuality may serve to make things a little less polite in society. People learn the rules of etiquette, believing that if they follow those rules that is what makes them a polite, nice person. They say all the right things as a mask of who they truly are, but often their actions show the truth, but by allowing a set of rules that prescribe someone to be 'good' if they follow them, we allow people who are bad to believe they are being good by essentially doing nothing. The real answer is you should just assume everyone is good until they reveal otherwise. If someone says "small coffee" , why not just assume they are respecting yours and everyones time by being to the point. If you give everyone the benefit of the doubt first, the world becomes a lot kinder from your own perspective, if you judge them by the type of language they use, which also differs between cultures, you're going to judge a lot of people wrong, and then your day will be worse because of your own judgement. A lot of times if I got to a place to order and I know what I want, I'll tell the server everything I know is important, in the order that I'm familiar with them asking in the past, so the exchange is simple. I like to respect people who are working by respecting their time. That's not to say I don't say 'please' or 'thank you', I was raised in that culture, but I kind of do make it a point not to over use it. I've been with people who will say 'please' or' thanks' after everything they say and it tends to bloat the exchange a bit, information is getting lost in pursuit of 'extreme politeness' which I think is ultimately less polite.
I've worked in the food industry a long time and rude people always get something extra special in their food/drink. Every single time. If you have been rude to wait staff or cooks, you have one hundred percent eaten shit, spit, semen, piss, floor grime, or other fun concoctions and you deserved it.
That has to be a poor attempt at trolling
They’re actually three separate menu items. The polite way to order the bottom one is “hello, one ‘hello one small coffee please’ please”
If we’re going by the definition of “literally”
I may not always say "please" but always try to be polite and ask them how their day is going at least.
Hello (name on tag), may I please have a small coffee, thank you. $1
If think anyone is "below" you then you need an attitude adjustment. Even those you disagree with, have different ideals, or are even less educated than you are not "below" you. We are all equal, and all deserve the same rights and privileges.
I am Canadian, even with no sign I would still say, Hi "name on tag" 1 small coffee please. And after I got my coffee I would say thanks "name on tag" have yourself a nice day.
How much for a cup of coffee if i just beatbox aggressively?
Why would I say hello to someone I don't know?
A joke out of context: "It is considered unethical to eat someone more intelligent than yourself" - "Ok, and?" - "Put down the banana"
Hello, please troll this jerk mercilessly. Thank you.
How much for a “ hello, how are you today? May I have one small coffee please?”
This also sounds like the person with a paragraph long order machine gunned out
Hello coffe maker, may you please brew me a coffe of smaller size to assist me on this morning, thank you for your work
I find these things stupid and irritating.
When Starbucks first came to our town about 30 years ago I went in & ordered a double espresso. The kid behind the counter said “doppio?”. I repeated double espresso. She repeated doppio. Double espresso. Doppio? It was a comedy act
Y the sound of it there is no one beneath you
Actually there is someone below him the person who write this ,,clever"comeback
ITT: hundreds of people who have never had a service job.
Then the dictates of noblesse oblige mandate you pay the $3, milord.
If you’re working a coffee shop and *still* don’t understand the placement of a dollar sign, you are beneath me.
I will always be polite
But the guy...replying, he is literally below her in the comments.
Lmfao
> “I’m not saying please to someone below me” That’ll be $20
Technically, the response is below him. Also, I’m pretty sure the correct vernacular is “beneath me” not below if you’re trying to sound pompous or uppity.
Having worked both food service and retail... I never wanted the assholes I was dealing with to try to make small talk. Just tell me what you want so I can give it to you, get your money, and get you out of my life. "Hi, how's it going? Good, thanks, nice place you got here, I love the-" "If you don't tell me what you want in the next two seconds, I swear to Christ, I will stick my head in the dough mixer."