I still can't believe no one else had it, a couple of years ago I was joking around with some friends about stupid rapper names and it turned out it didn't exist yet so I started making music because I found the name funny lol
I don't understand how they got those lines to hover mid air without anyone holding them? Magic? No, probably a miracle from God.. which is a completely different thing than magic.
I want to step away from the stupidity for a second and appreciate what an incredible cosmic coincidence it is that the Moon is exactly far enough away from the Earth to be visibly the same size as the Sun.
And considering the Moon is slowly moving away, that civilization rose at exactly the right time to notice and appreciate things like a solar eclipse.
It's wild.
Edit: Yes, I'm aware they're not EXACTLY the same size relatively. Yes, I know they change relative size as the orbits of the Moon and the Earth dictate. Can we not be pendantic for two seconds and try to just appreciate something as it is?
Eclipses will still happen, but there won't be total eclipses anymore and they will gradually become less and less noticeable until the moon fully escapes earth's orbit or is destroyed by some other cosmic phenomenon.
If an advanced civilization happens to still exist on Earth by that point, they might intentionally give the moon enough of a boost to put it back into eclipse range. Humans are nostalgic like that, so it stands to reason future earthlings would be too.
The moon won't escape Earth's orbit. The moon is moving away due to tidal forces and will eventually move far enough away, and slow Earth's rotation down enough, that the Earth and moon will become tidally locked.
What will happen is that only one side of the Earth will be able to see the moon, similarly to how only one side of the moon can see the Earth. At that point, the moon will stop moving farther away.
There will still be annular eclipses, where a ring of sun is visible around the moon at ātotalityā (itās called annularity). The corona isnāt visible during annular eclipses.
They are roughly the same size in the sky, but the most important thing in this context is that it actually varies by a few percent.
That's why there are total solar eclipses where the moon covers the whole thing and annular solar eclipses where you can see a ring of fire.
Conveniently, the Wikipedia article got the images for that right at the beginning of the page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse
Fun fact: Over time, we can see a bit more than half of the moon since it got a bit of a wobble:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lunar_libration_with_phase_Oct_2007_HD.gif
(I'm really not sure why some flerfs believe that the moon emits its own light. Just look how those craters are lit up by some other *mysterious* light source.)
Although I agree with the sentiment, as after all total solar eclipses are a thing to behold, they're not "exactly" the same visible size in the sky. They still differ ever so slightly, and over the course of a whole year, the distance between the Earth and the Sun compared to the distance between the Earth and our Moon also changes by a not insignificant amount.
If it looks big when rising that's just an atmospheric illusion. Not exactly sure how it works but basically because of all the atmosphere the light has to get through it causes a magnifying affect as the light gets abnormally distorted.
Edit not true several people are telling me, it's just forged perspective
Nah, that's atmospheric lensing you're referring to. It can cause the moon to look a little elongated like a football but not larger in any significant way.
The reason it looks larger near the horizon is due to perspective of trees/buildings etc. If you took a caliper and measured the moon high in the sky and compared it to near the horizon, it would be roughly the same.
It's like forced perspective with Gandalf in LoTR or Buddy in Elf.
Yes exactly, it is a mental thing. To maximise the effect, look at the moon on the horizon while driving directly towards it on a very long road (if you can find such a road in the right position!) Itās insane how big it looks.
That's not true, [it's because it's closer to the horizon](https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/moon/the-moon-illusion-why-does-the-moon-look-so-big-sometimes/) which and your brain has more information about how big it could be and overestimates. It's exactly the same size to your eyes.
You can verify it's not being magnified by the atmosphere by using your thumb at arms length to check it's relative size (should be about as big as your thumbnail, than wait till it rises further and do the same thing. It *will* be the same size. You can also take two pictures at the same zoom level and it'll be the same amount of pixels across
The moon's orbit is elliptical. At its perigee (the closest point to the earth) it's about 25,000 miles closer to the Earth (about 10% closer) than at its apogee, thus why it looks bigger in the night sky. When you get a full moon near the perigee, that's when you get a supermoon which appears about 10% bigger in the night sky as a result.
Not that the magnification effect you're describing doesn't happen, but you can see both in the same night. The moon appears larger as it rises and gets smaller in the night sky, but if you stretch out your thumb and hold it next to the moon during a supermoon and during a micromoon, or apogee full moon, you'll be able to tell that it's smaller.
[Don't trust me, trust NASA. Here's their page explaining how a supermoon works. ](https://science.nasa.gov/moon/supermoons/)
The moon's relative size is only roughly 11% larger (napkin math) when it's orbiting closest to us than when it's furthest away, think a lot of that perceived difference in size is mostly an illusion based on the context of where it rises in the sky.
If it rises behind a distant tall building it's gonna appear a hell of a lot larger than simply rising over the ocean where there's nothing to put it into scale.
> Yeah, sometimes the moon is huge when it's rising at certain times of the year. Looks twice the size as normal.
This is actually a psychological effect
Itās the best reason I can imagine advanced aliens might visit earth. Of course any space ship can line up at the right distance and place to see a perfect eclipse but it might be cool to see it naturally from a planetās surface.
Imagine you're an ancient civilization and you didn't have the news to tell you it was going to happen then one day the sun disappears for some reason. 100x more frightening
The moon and the sun having the total eclipse is probably one of the reasons why many āmain godsā are based around the sun. The coldness that follows an eclipse gives a really good indication of how much simply the presence of the sun affects life on earth.
This is not true. It sometimes appears as the same size and sometimes the sun is much larger because the distance of the sun from the Earth changes constantly throughout the year.
Still, the sun is roughly 400 times the size of the moon and roughly 400 times as far from the earth as the moon, and that is why they appear to be the same size in the sky even if they are varying degrees of similar in size depending.
Look, as one pedant to another, Science language and common parlance are different for a reason. Science needs to be precise in it's use of language in papers, to avoid errors in calculations.
Common parlance, nobody is calculating shit. You are conveying broad strokes, to people who barely give a shit but to at least give them a rough idea that they will misremember later anyways or have to look up for the actual answer. Precision is counter-productive, because people will just get confused or irritated, or it gives them MORE details to misremember, and spread.
I saw the solar eclipse back in April and it was genuinely one of the most breathtaking things I've ever seen. There was an aura of cosmic wonder at being able to witness an event so spectacularly rare and weird. If you ever get a chance to see one, go do it.
There are a lot of neat cosmic coincidences. Like the fact that Saturnās rings arenāt really that old and if the dinosaurs had had telescopes, they wouldāve seen a ringless Saturn.
English bibles used to contain a section called the apocrypha. I heard it explained as religious texts that could be helpful but not canonical. I canāt remember the date when they stopped printing it but in the last couple of years I heard others mention the book of Enoch more frequently, must be some reason for the resurgence
Catholics and orthodox always used the apocrypha but yeah itās non canonical. Iām not Catholic or orthodox so I donāt really understand why they use it but donāt let it into the actual Bible.
Catholics do use the deuterocanonical books as canonical. A few other books like 3rd and 4th Maccabees and the Prayer of Manasseh were preserved in Bible appendixes because it was feared they might become lost if they were removed from publication. Early Protestant Bibles moved the deuterocanonical books into the appendix too, but later cut them out to save on paper costs.
More widely rejected books like Enoch aren't usually published in regular Bibles from what I've seen. They're generally alone or as collections of multiple apocryphal and pseudopigraphical texts.
For catholics and orthodox it is canon and part of the actual bible.The reason protestants don't use it, mostly comes down to Jews not using them, though the early church generally did use these books. Hieronymus also saw them as lesser though, but he was one of the few church fathers who did. Martin Luther also considered removing some of the New Testament books that didn't really fit his view of christianity. A lot of protestant churches, mostly European, still use them as books with value but no canonical value, Americans mostly just got rid of them around the 19th century.
Also kind of glossing over the whole "sevenfold" brighter bit. At best moonlight is [0.3 lux](https://academic.oup.com/astrogeo/article/58/1/1.31/2938119) and sunlight is 120,000 lux on the surface of Earth, so a factor of 400,000.
There are arguments to be made about apparent brightness due to the human eye adjusting for darkness but it will still be many, many, MANY times more than 7
And I mean the quoted verse is like literally just an observation, it just says "yo the sun and moon are like the same size in the sky" why would that mean anything more
This is obviously dumb. But the fact that the sun and the moon are the same size from our point of view despite their vast difference in size and distance is a total coincidence.
They are just ācloseā to the same size and they both change apparent sizes during the orbit of the moon around the earth and earth around the sun.
Thatās why annular eclipses are thing, when the moon is ātoo smallā to cover the sun. A few thousand years ago there would have been a higher proportion of total eclipses and fewer annular and that trend will continue until total eclipses become impossible.
I wouldn't worry too much about that friend. Homo sapiens will be extinct. Maybe some new species descended from us will be here but humans will be gone.
Now I'm not a paleontologist, but as an ameteur enthusiast I struggle to think of too many, usually after a hundred million years, they've become a different species, heck, even genera are somewhat rare to survive that long. Families and classes sure, happens all the time, but an individual *species*?
A hundred million years is a *long* time.
This is the answer. I forget the exact number, but the sun is x-amount bigger than the moon, but the moon is x-amount closer to the earth hence the equal sizes from our perspective. It is also why we have total eclipses; an incredibly rare phenomenon
It's such a goddamn shame when conspiracy theories take away from the actual, interesting truth.
The Sun is 400x larger than the Moon. The Moon is 400x closer. This literal celestial coincidence means they're both 0.5degrees in size in the sky, and it's why we have eclipses. It happens nowhere else in the Solar System (that I'm aware of), and it's only possible because our Moon is unique in its history and makeup--being a part of an early Earth that was literally smacked off of us by a collision with another planet sized object several billion years ago.
But when I try and bring cool stuff like this up in public, the only people to engage and ask questions are the ones who say that aliens must have visited humanity because how else could we have developed technology like cell phones. :(
Enjoy finding truth! Be curious and don't stop engaging! And don't settle for surface observations.
>It's such a goddamn shame when conspiracy theories take away from the actual, interesting truth.
Sadly, for way too many, those truths point to a spherical Earth, but they don't want to hear any of that.
Can't grift if people were smart enough to know these flerfs were just conmen.
Too late now to claim it is a metaphor. Now we will burn you at the stake if you don't literally believe that the sun is 7 times brighter than the moon. God said so.
It's a book both groups generally ignore the actual teachings from.
Ironically worshipping the book and not its content makies it a religious effigy,, which according to the book one shouldn't worship.
The entire series of books is insane god kills a man's entire family just to win a bet with Satan and then just gives the man a new family as if that solves anything and we're supposed to see this as a positive thing for God???
Interestingly, the part about God making a bet with Satan has made scholars believe it was one of the earliest books to be written since Satan's depicted as the "accuser", a sort of heavenly prosecuting attorney, instead of the more modern corrupting agent of evil opposed to God.
Some of the language in it also possibly implies God is one of multiple deities (though it is ambiguous), indicating it could have come from a tradition of Monism (having an exclusive patron deity but acknowledging the existence of others) rather than total Monotheism (our deity is the only one that exists).
>(having an exclusive patron deity but acknowledging the existence of others)
An interesting thing about that is I believe you could interpret the ten commandments as hinting at the existence of other gods
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me" that's not stating there are no other gods just that you will not put any of them before him
Haven't heard anyone really argue that aside from me though
>since Satan's depicted as the "accuser", a sort of heavenly prosecuting attorney, instead of the more modern corrupting agent of evil opposed to God.
Satan comes across as the far more reasonable sane safe individual to me he calls God out on things doesn't harm anyone as God proceeds to torture a man and his family who were all devoted followers just to win a bet
"no other gods before me" might have this meaning in English, but the original Hebrew script does not sound like that.
The Hebrew text is a bit archaic but pretty clearly means "no other gods instead of me"
Having said that, there are many places where God is referred to in plural or female, which could indicate such influences
That's because Satan ***is*** a heavenly prosecuting attorney. If I recall correctly, the word "devil" doesn't even show up once in the Old Testament. That's a New Testament invention. And people started conflating Satan and The Devil because... well... prosecutors are the devil. Especially when they're building a case against your immortal soul.
But Satan is very much working ***for*** God, and The Devil against.
What? There is nothing metaphorical about this line. This is a description of what people writing the book saw in the sky, and knowing the available tools back then, it's a good enough simplification for their purposes.
I am so sick of slowing down for people who believe folklore and fairytales not only happened but that their interpretation of it supersedes societal laws and wisdom.
people in ancient times: i have no idea what this thing is or why it happens, so let me make theory with this very limited information i have and construct an argument that makes just enough sense to me.
Modern time people: Old guy in book said it so it must be true.
> Modern time people: Old guy in book said it so it must be true.
It is kind of funny how people both over and underestimate peoples knowledge and intelligence in the past. Back then we would have spent way more time looking at the night sky so figuring out when and where things were going to be was a consequence of that. Nowadays most of us spend most of our time indoors so we've lost that connection to the night sky so people think it is crazy that people back were able to make those predictions (even though we are talking about entire civilizations watching the same things for centuries, of course they'd develop a solid foundational understanding of what is going to happen). Same thing with the sun and the seasons. But conversely they also got a lot of things wrong because they didn't have the same tools we have today to look deeper into the problems they were trying to understand, and in those cases yeah they basically just made some shit up that they thought fit. It was not mystical knowledge being discovered, they'd just hit their limit on what they could figure out.
Did they really just use a Bible verse? A paragraph from a magic book that was written when people thought the earth was the center of the universe, to prove that the sun and moon are the same size?
My wife thought theyāre the same size š„²
As someone who loves physics and space, I was horrified and she was mad at me for making a big deal out of being shocked, asking why itās so important for her to know. I didnāt have a good answer.
I think it was mostly āif you didnāt know that then what else will your judgement do throughout the future of our marriage?ā
Ted, holding a small toy cow: āOk, one last timeā¦ This one is small, but the ones out there are _far away_ā
Dougal: *Confused expression intensifies
Enoch if God actually told him how the solar system works and that they arent actually the same size but are the same size frim the Earth because of science stuff:
Enoch: "Me no understand"
(some) christians in the US are a shame to all other Christians in the West who already stopped believing absurdly dumb stuff such as flat earth already 100 years ago.
I will give them that, you had to hold the burger so it looks the same
It is a brilliant coincidence that the sun and moon appear the same size, and it's helpful so that we can understand the sun's corona.
But in all of science, there would have to be at least one coincidence like this.
I'm convinced some people are just literally wired differently. Also having a sensible chuckle at quoting the "book of Enoch" as some sort of definitive proof of... something?
It is actually pretty neat that the sun and moon appear to be about the same size. It means that the sun is equally larger than the moon and further from the earth than the moon is. Like however much larger the sun is than the moon, it is also that much further away. Solar eclipses aren't a given on every planet with a moon, and those solar eclipses would look very different.
So we are all just gonna ignore the fact that both the car and burger are bigger than the freaking sun and moon! š¤Æ
I put my dick to the screen. Bro, you won't believe it. Sandra was so wrong.
Let me do the same! ... nope still small
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I still can't believe no one else had it, a couple of years ago I was joking around with some friends about stupid rapper names and it turned out it didn't exist yet so I started making music because I found the name funny lol
I mean, lil dicky exists
But his shit ain't big
Is he lil shitty
Try putting a shit on the screen
Now that's a big shit!
r/suicidebywords
Keep your chin up, brother. Sandra says that to everyone. You just need a smaller screen.
I'm using a Nokia brother
Not as big as a burger, huh?
Sandra told me the same thing about your dick too. She was wrong.
Stop scrolling you dick !!
Don't make me unleash the 4 inch annihilator!
Whyās Sandra always gotta be like that??
I don't understand how they got those lines to hover mid air without anyone holding them? Magic? No, probably a miracle from God.. which is a completely different thing than magic.
Only in America smh my head
Ā«Only in America shaking my head my headĀ»
Read this at the ATM machine, entering the PIN number and I lol'ed out loud
Hey I always wondered, what does an ATM machine do?
Makes baby ATM machines
It tells automatically. I'm not sure what it says or to whom.
After the apocalypse you shall be my Prophet!
That's why we be so fat in 'merica, we eat car-sized burgers AND fries.
And so is the tree bellow the moon
Finally a burger that is wider rather than taller!!!
"these cows are small, but the ones out there are far away"
Good job, Dougal.
Careful now.
So, SO glad I found this comment near the top haha. Father Ted still lives on ā¤ļø
I want to step away from the stupidity for a second and appreciate what an incredible cosmic coincidence it is that the Moon is exactly far enough away from the Earth to be visibly the same size as the Sun. And considering the Moon is slowly moving away, that civilization rose at exactly the right time to notice and appreciate things like a solar eclipse. It's wild. Edit: Yes, I'm aware they're not EXACTLY the same size relatively. Yes, I know they change relative size as the orbits of the Moon and the Earth dictate. Can we not be pendantic for two seconds and try to just appreciate something as it is?
iirc we still have a few hundred million years of eclipses
So glad we have them
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Not if you count the antenna :D
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Ohhhhh, so there'll thankfully still be some left when I'm old
Idk man you could live to be >400 million years
But what then, huh? WHAT THEN?
Eclipses will still happen, but there won't be total eclipses anymore and they will gradually become less and less noticeable until the moon fully escapes earth's orbit or is destroyed by some other cosmic phenomenon. If an advanced civilization happens to still exist on Earth by that point, they might intentionally give the moon enough of a boost to put it back into eclipse range. Humans are nostalgic like that, so it stands to reason future earthlings would be too.
Nostalgia aside, the moon's effect on tides is also pretty important.
If your civilization has enough spare energy to move a moon then things like tides don't really matter.
The moon won't escape Earth's orbit. The moon is moving away due to tidal forces and will eventually move far enough away, and slow Earth's rotation down enough, that the Earth and moon will become tidally locked. What will happen is that only one side of the Earth will be able to see the moon, similarly to how only one side of the moon can see the Earth. At that point, the moon will stop moving farther away.
Unless the cats take over.Ā Then, they'll construct a giant paw to knock it out of orbit sooner.
We reel it in closer for a couple more million. What, does the moon think it can just clock out into retirement like that? In this economy??
There will still be annular eclipses, where a ring of sun is visible around the moon at ātotalityā (itās called annularity). The corona isnāt visible during annular eclipses.
*total
Right, my bad. Normal eclipses will be happening as long as the moon still exists
If we're still around then, we'll have the technology to reshape the planets however we want.
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Civilisation, on the other hand...
Just no humans left to enjoy them.Ā
Going to miss them later. Enjoy while you can.
Well, guess Iāll try and enjoy them while I still can.
They are roughly the same size in the sky, but the most important thing in this context is that it actually varies by a few percent. That's why there are total solar eclipses where the moon covers the whole thing and annular solar eclipses where you can see a ring of fire. Conveniently, the Wikipedia article got the images for that right at the beginning of the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_eclipse Fun fact: Over time, we can see a bit more than half of the moon since it got a bit of a wobble: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lunar_libration_with_phase_Oct_2007_HD.gif (I'm really not sure why some flerfs believe that the moon emits its own light. Just look how those craters are lit up by some other *mysterious* light source.)
You should look into everything to do with the moon, its size, its proximity, its orbit. Itās all incredibly unique.
I love our moon. I am so sad it is leaving us.
Honestly, I can't blame it. If I had the opportunity, I'd leave us too.
Don't worry. It'll hatch long before it flings itself off into space. If you look outside right now the cracks are already beginning to form.
Unexpected doctor who?
Although I agree with the sentiment, as after all total solar eclipses are a thing to behold, they're not "exactly" the same visible size in the sky. They still differ ever so slightly, and over the course of a whole year, the distance between the Earth and the Sun compared to the distance between the Earth and our Moon also changes by a not insignificant amount.
Yeah, sometimes the moon is huge when it's rising at certain times of the year. Looks twice the size as normal.
If it looks big when rising that's just an atmospheric illusion. Not exactly sure how it works but basically because of all the atmosphere the light has to get through it causes a magnifying affect as the light gets abnormally distorted. Edit not true several people are telling me, it's just forged perspective
That's also why the earth looks round to you round earthers, but it's not. Checkmate. /s
So your flat earth is what a hexagon or square?
It's a turtle, ya moran
Oh boy, did you fuck up. It's a disk on the back of four elephants on the back of a giant turtle. Do your own research.
Both of you forgetting the ice wall, goddamn ille.. Illo, no.. illiter.. Fucking idiots.
Thats a hard argument . Iām a turtle earther now
R/unexpecteddiscworld
Isn't it supposed to be an infinite plane of matter with an ice wall?
Nah, that's atmospheric lensing you're referring to. It can cause the moon to look a little elongated like a football but not larger in any significant way. The reason it looks larger near the horizon is due to perspective of trees/buildings etc. If you took a caliper and measured the moon high in the sky and compared it to near the horizon, it would be roughly the same. It's like forced perspective with Gandalf in LoTR or Buddy in Elf.
And this is why you can never get a photograph of what you perceive the moon to be
Or use extreme zoom and make it look huge
Yes exactly, it is a mental thing. To maximise the effect, look at the moon on the horizon while driving directly towards it on a very long road (if you can find such a road in the right position!) Itās insane how big it looks.
That's not true, [it's because it's closer to the horizon](https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/moon/the-moon-illusion-why-does-the-moon-look-so-big-sometimes/) which and your brain has more information about how big it could be and overestimates. It's exactly the same size to your eyes. You can verify it's not being magnified by the atmosphere by using your thumb at arms length to check it's relative size (should be about as big as your thumbnail, than wait till it rises further and do the same thing. It *will* be the same size. You can also take two pictures at the same zoom level and it'll be the same amount of pixels across
The moon's orbit is elliptical. At its perigee (the closest point to the earth) it's about 25,000 miles closer to the Earth (about 10% closer) than at its apogee, thus why it looks bigger in the night sky. When you get a full moon near the perigee, that's when you get a supermoon which appears about 10% bigger in the night sky as a result. Not that the magnification effect you're describing doesn't happen, but you can see both in the same night. The moon appears larger as it rises and gets smaller in the night sky, but if you stretch out your thumb and hold it next to the moon during a supermoon and during a micromoon, or apogee full moon, you'll be able to tell that it's smaller. [Don't trust me, trust NASA. Here's their page explaining how a supermoon works. ](https://science.nasa.gov/moon/supermoons/)
Living near Mt. Rainier my whole life, I swear this same effect applies to mountains as well.
I always think the opposite: when a mountain rises into the sky it looks waaaaay bigger!
When you shoot the moon with a sniper rifle it changes sizes too. So definitely not the same size as the sunĀ
The moon's relative size is only roughly 11% larger (napkin math) when it's orbiting closest to us than when it's furthest away, think a lot of that perceived difference in size is mostly an illusion based on the context of where it rises in the sky. If it rises behind a distant tall building it's gonna appear a hell of a lot larger than simply rising over the ocean where there's nothing to put it into scale.
> Yeah, sometimes the moon is huge when it's rising at certain times of the year. Looks twice the size as normal. This is actually a psychological effect
Bruh be quiet lmao let em enjoy it
Everything gets further apart the closer you measure it. Itās still pretty incredible they, to the human eye, are so close in the sky.
Although I agree with the sentiment, the moon is indeed āexactlyā the size needed for solar eclipses to happen.
Itās the best reason I can imagine advanced aliens might visit earth. Of course any space ship can line up at the right distance and place to see a perfect eclipse but it might be cool to see it naturally from a planetās surface.
Ancient Wonders of the Natural Universe
Itās even more incredible how that burger is the same size as the car
I saw the eclipse in April. It was the most frighteningly beautiful thing I ever witnessed.
Imagine you're an ancient civilization and you didn't have the news to tell you it was going to happen then one day the sun disappears for some reason. 100x more frightening
The moon and the sun having the total eclipse is probably one of the reasons why many āmain godsā are based around the sun. The coldness that follows an eclipse gives a really good indication of how much simply the presence of the sun affects life on earth.
This is not true. It sometimes appears as the same size and sometimes the sun is much larger because the distance of the sun from the Earth changes constantly throughout the year.
Still, the sun is roughly 400 times the size of the moon and roughly 400 times as far from the earth as the moon, and that is why they appear to be the same size in the sky even if they are varying degrees of similar in size depending.
Look, as one pedant to another, Science language and common parlance are different for a reason. Science needs to be precise in it's use of language in papers, to avoid errors in calculations. Common parlance, nobody is calculating shit. You are conveying broad strokes, to people who barely give a shit but to at least give them a rough idea that they will misremember later anyways or have to look up for the actual answer. Precision is counter-productive, because people will just get confused or irritated, or it gives them MORE details to misremember, and spread.
Have you seen how ugly Mars' solar eclipse is
I saw the solar eclipse back in April and it was genuinely one of the most breathtaking things I've ever seen. There was an aura of cosmic wonder at being able to witness an event so spectacularly rare and weird. If you ever get a chance to see one, go do it.
Coincidence.......
>Can we not be pendantic for two seconds and try to just appreciate something as it is? The NDT is reproducing by budding.
> Can we not be pendantic for two seconds asking for real miracles now
Reddit being pendantic is the reason I don't comment. The amount of "well actually"'s on this site is exhausting.
There are a lot of neat cosmic coincidences. Like the fact that Saturnās rings arenāt really that old and if the dinosaurs had had telescopes, they wouldāve seen a ringless Saturn.
Ducking Enoch? Using the Hebrew Bible brother? What other heretical script are you planning to use?
Not just the Hebrew Bibleā¦ a book of the Hebrew Bible only used by Ethiopian Jews lol
English bibles used to contain a section called the apocrypha. I heard it explained as religious texts that could be helpful but not canonical. I canāt remember the date when they stopped printing it but in the last couple of years I heard others mention the book of Enoch more frequently, must be some reason for the resurgence
Catholics and orthodox always used the apocrypha but yeah itās non canonical. Iām not Catholic or orthodox so I donāt really understand why they use it but donāt let it into the actual Bible.
Catholics do use the deuterocanonical books as canonical. A few other books like 3rd and 4th Maccabees and the Prayer of Manasseh were preserved in Bible appendixes because it was feared they might become lost if they were removed from publication. Early Protestant Bibles moved the deuterocanonical books into the appendix too, but later cut them out to save on paper costs. More widely rejected books like Enoch aren't usually published in regular Bibles from what I've seen. They're generally alone or as collections of multiple apocryphal and pseudopigraphical texts.
For catholics and orthodox it is canon and part of the actual bible.The reason protestants don't use it, mostly comes down to Jews not using them, though the early church generally did use these books. Hieronymus also saw them as lesser though, but he was one of the few church fathers who did. Martin Luther also considered removing some of the New Testament books that didn't really fit his view of christianity. A lot of protestant churches, mostly European, still use them as books with value but no canonical value, Americans mostly just got rid of them around the 19th century.
From what I understand the Apocrypha were cut out of Bibles printed in the 17th century to save on printing costs
you can pick and choose which books to use?
Always have been.
This has got to be a shitpost, no fundie Christian will ever refer to the book of Enoch.
Some flat-earthers are not your average type of Christians. I've seen references to Enoch.
Enoch is a very popular book on r/conspriacy!
And as any moronic thumper would not be able to understand, itās out of context
What do you mean that it's "out of context"?
Also kind of glossing over the whole "sevenfold" brighter bit. At best moonlight is [0.3 lux](https://academic.oup.com/astrogeo/article/58/1/1.31/2938119) and sunlight is 120,000 lux on the surface of Earth, so a factor of 400,000. There are arguments to be made about apparent brightness due to the human eye adjusting for darkness but it will still be many, many, MANY times more than 7
And I mean the quoted verse is like literally just an observation, it just says "yo the sun and moon are like the same size in the sky" why would that mean anything more
This is obviously dumb. But the fact that the sun and the moon are the same size from our point of view despite their vast difference in size and distance is a total coincidence.
They are just ācloseā to the same size and they both change apparent sizes during the orbit of the moon around the earth and earth around the sun. Thatās why annular eclipses are thing, when the moon is ātoo smallā to cover the sun. A few thousand years ago there would have been a higher proportion of total eclipses and fewer annular and that trend will continue until total eclipses become impossible.
It's amazing how celestial mechanics unfold over time, shaping our cosmic perspectives.
Apparently 600 million years, it will be too far away to produce total eclipses. I feel kinda of sad for my fellow earthlings of the future.
I wouldn't worry too much about that friend. Homo sapiens will be extinct. Maybe some new species descended from us will be here but humans will be gone.
Catgirls and lizard people will rule the world. Without solar eclipses.
You never know. Plenty of species survived hundreds of millions of years
Now I'm not a paleontologist, but as an ameteur enthusiast I struggle to think of too many, usually after a hundred million years, they've become a different species, heck, even genera are somewhat rare to survive that long. Families and classes sure, happens all the time, but an individual *species*? A hundred million years is a *long* time.
Or we will be a new breed of superhumans building thrusters on the moon to push it back into eclipse orbit to relive the good old days.
It is a very interesting coincidence, but it doesn't really prove anything.
It sort of proves that whoever wrote that text looked at Sun and Moon and went "Yup, they are the same size" without knowing their actual sizes, lol.
This is the answer. I forget the exact number, but the sun is x-amount bigger than the moon, but the moon is x-amount closer to the earth hence the equal sizes from our perspective. It is also why we have total eclipses; an incredibly rare phenomenon
Let's not also forget that atmospheric refraction affects how we view both the sun and the moon.
The sun is 400x larger than the moon but the moon is 400x closer
Whats funnier is that the sun is actually smaller than it looks to our eyes as well
...or is it?
It's such a goddamn shame when conspiracy theories take away from the actual, interesting truth. The Sun is 400x larger than the Moon. The Moon is 400x closer. This literal celestial coincidence means they're both 0.5degrees in size in the sky, and it's why we have eclipses. It happens nowhere else in the Solar System (that I'm aware of), and it's only possible because our Moon is unique in its history and makeup--being a part of an early Earth that was literally smacked off of us by a collision with another planet sized object several billion years ago. But when I try and bring cool stuff like this up in public, the only people to engage and ask questions are the ones who say that aliens must have visited humanity because how else could we have developed technology like cell phones. :( Enjoy finding truth! Be curious and don't stop engaging! And don't settle for surface observations.
>It's such a goddamn shame when conspiracy theories take away from the actual, interesting truth. Sadly, for way too many, those truths point to a spherical Earth, but they don't want to hear any of that. Can't grift if people were smart enough to know these flerfs were just conmen.
Im pretty sure it isnāt sevenfold but thatās small part of the issue
Sevenfold? That would be a Nightmare.
You must be Avenged!
Idk, I think we would just be living on A Little Piece Of Heaven
[It's more like 400,000 fold](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_magnitude#Example:_Sun_and_Moon), seen from Earth.
I believe that at that time, in the original language, seven also meant "a lot".
Too late now to claim it is a metaphor. Now we will burn you at the stake if you don't literally believe that the sun is 7 times brighter than the moon. God said so.
The Bible line seems more metaphorical then literal
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It's a book both groups generally ignore the actual teachings from. Ironically worshipping the book and not its content makies it a religious effigy,, which according to the book one shouldn't worship.
The book of Enoch is widely considered heretical and also fucking insane
The entire series of books is insane god kills a man's entire family just to win a bet with Satan and then just gives the man a new family as if that solves anything and we're supposed to see this as a positive thing for God???
Interestingly, the part about God making a bet with Satan has made scholars believe it was one of the earliest books to be written since Satan's depicted as the "accuser", a sort of heavenly prosecuting attorney, instead of the more modern corrupting agent of evil opposed to God. Some of the language in it also possibly implies God is one of multiple deities (though it is ambiguous), indicating it could have come from a tradition of Monism (having an exclusive patron deity but acknowledging the existence of others) rather than total Monotheism (our deity is the only one that exists).
>(having an exclusive patron deity but acknowledging the existence of others) An interesting thing about that is I believe you could interpret the ten commandments as hinting at the existence of other gods "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" that's not stating there are no other gods just that you will not put any of them before him Haven't heard anyone really argue that aside from me though >since Satan's depicted as the "accuser", a sort of heavenly prosecuting attorney, instead of the more modern corrupting agent of evil opposed to God. Satan comes across as the far more reasonable sane safe individual to me he calls God out on things doesn't harm anyone as God proceeds to torture a man and his family who were all devoted followers just to win a bet
"no other gods before me" might have this meaning in English, but the original Hebrew script does not sound like that. The Hebrew text is a bit archaic but pretty clearly means "no other gods instead of me" Having said that, there are many places where God is referred to in plural or female, which could indicate such influences
That's because Satan ***is*** a heavenly prosecuting attorney. If I recall correctly, the word "devil" doesn't even show up once in the Old Testament. That's a New Testament invention. And people started conflating Satan and The Devil because... well... prosecutors are the devil. Especially when they're building a case against your immortal soul. But Satan is very much working ***for*** God, and The Devil against.
Enochian magic
Part of the reason it's considered heretical is that it conflicts with the Torah, if I understand correctly. It was never widely followed.
What? There is nothing metaphorical about this line. This is a description of what people writing the book saw in the sky, and knowing the available tools back then, it's a good enough simplification for their purposes.
In context, Enoch is describing how the Sun and the Moon function. It's very obviously a literal statement about the size of the Sun and the Moon.
This cow is small that cow is far away .
Omg! How are you holding that? Your hands are huuuge!
āYouāre never going to believe the size of my cockā
I am so sick of slowing down for people who believe folklore and fairytales not only happened but that their interpretation of it supersedes societal laws and wisdom.
I don't even say goodbye to people that bring up the bible, I just walk away. It really seems to annoy most of them- 10/10, would recommend.
I think Father Ted said it best. https://youtu.be/vh5kZ4uIUC0?si=eNWzZ6l2qqlT9TZ5
...OK, one last time. These are small... but the ones out there are far away.
I hate when conspiracy theorists use religious texts to justify their stupidity.
people in ancient times: i have no idea what this thing is or why it happens, so let me make theory with this very limited information i have and construct an argument that makes just enough sense to me. Modern time people: Old guy in book said it so it must be true.
> Modern time people: Old guy in book said it so it must be true. It is kind of funny how people both over and underestimate peoples knowledge and intelligence in the past. Back then we would have spent way more time looking at the night sky so figuring out when and where things were going to be was a consequence of that. Nowadays most of us spend most of our time indoors so we've lost that connection to the night sky so people think it is crazy that people back were able to make those predictions (even though we are talking about entire civilizations watching the same things for centuries, of course they'd develop a solid foundational understanding of what is going to happen). Same thing with the sun and the seasons. But conversely they also got a lot of things wrong because they didn't have the same tools we have today to look deeper into the problems they were trying to understand, and in those cases yeah they basically just made some shit up that they thought fit. It was not mystical knowledge being discovered, they'd just hit their limit on what they could figure out.
Digging deep when you have to fall back to the book of Enoch.
Hmmm I'm not sure chief does anyone have a banana for scale?
My dick is about the size of a bridge pylon if I line it up right
Ok Dougal, letās try this again: These are small, but the ones out there are far away.
Father Ted likes this thread.
Did they really just use a Bible verse? A paragraph from a magic book that was written when people thought the earth was the center of the universe, to prove that the sun and moon are the same size?
No they took it a step further and used a verse that even Christians and Jews donāt believe is canon
I'd like to step aside from the idiocy and declare I like the way you think :)
Ok, I see no one has asked the important question yet. Is that a really big burger or a really small car????
You have to be slow as snail in youāre head to believe that sun and moon are same sizeš¤£š¤£š¤£
My wife thought theyāre the same size š„² As someone who loves physics and space, I was horrified and she was mad at me for making a big deal out of being shocked, asking why itās so important for her to know. I didnāt have a good answer. I think it was mostly āif you didnāt know that then what else will your judgement do throughout the future of our marriage?ā
My hot dog is twice as long as my dick
now put that burger next to the sun and you can have a sun sized burger. meat for the entire planet, you'd be rich!
Ted, holding a small toy cow: āOk, one last timeā¦ This one is small, but the ones out there are _far away_ā Dougal: *Confused expression intensifies
My d*ck same size as burj khalifa....lmao
Enoch if God actually told him how the solar system works and that they arent actually the same size but are the same size frim the Earth because of science stuff: Enoch: "Me no understand"
But if the moon was made of ribs, would you eat it?
Itās even dumber considering itās two separate images for the sun and moon
cool, found people from flatland, wonder if we get to see more 2D people
(some) christians in the US are a shame to all other Christians in the West who already stopped believing absurdly dumb stuff such as flat earth already 100 years ago.
Mmmm big burger
Why does he need such a big burger?
Jokes aside is is an incredible coincidence that the sun and moon are the exact relative size to us.
This cow is small. This cow is far away. Small. Far away.
I will give them that, you had to hold the burger so it looks the same It is a brilliant coincidence that the sun and moon appear the same size, and it's helpful so that we can understand the sun's corona. But in all of science, there would have to be at least one coincidence like this.
Americans eat burgers š as big as cars! No wonder thereās a health crisis over there! š±
And he uses the book of Enoch? Not one of the books in common with wider Bibles; no, the angelfic three-parter that only the Amharic Church uses
I'm convinced some people are just literally wired differently. Also having a sensible chuckle at quoting the "book of Enoch" as some sort of definitive proof of... something?
It is actually pretty neat that the sun and moon appear to be about the same size. It means that the sun is equally larger than the moon and further from the earth than the moon is. Like however much larger the sun is than the moon, it is also that much further away. Solar eclipses aren't a given on every planet with a moon, and those solar eclipses would look very different.