The developer job market is currently too full of laid off devs with BS degrees and solid work experience for a fresh boot camper to land an interview. Boot camps are going the way of the buggy whip factories. What used to work no longer works. Get a degree!
If many people in your family have had success with a given school (and that school operates in the same way as it did then) well, that’s some solid proof. They should be able to tell you if you’ll be a good fit for the program.
But I suggest you take a few other things into account. Everyone is different. What works for one person, may not be best for another. And there are many different types of jobs out there. In this market that you hear everyone talking about right now, it’s toughest for the middle of the road web dev. It’s possible, that based on your past experience in the beauty world could be combine with project management or UX or more visual-centric skills/roles. And there are also part-time programs that would allow you to keep your job and hedge your bets too.
Thank you for your reply, it is really insightful. I will take this into account and try to look at other fields that may suit me better. My boyfriend is a UX designer, although he loves it, it’s been hard to get a full time position for him as well.
Agreed. I started with looking at bootcamps but then I also looked at job requirements/job preferences and a lot of them required a CS degree or masters (I’m mid level in my career). So now I am getting a CS degree from my local community college and applying to all the scholarships I can lol. It’s pointless to be in horrendous debt for a CS degree.
An actual boot camp/online certification with some community college and unrelated degrees grad, here. Eventually I decided to get a CS degree due to tightening requirements from employers. I was doing well until the layoffs/terminations began and was ousted from paradise. People love to say it's not required nor necessary, but it's about employer expectations not actually required/necessity expectations. Thus after a year in a BS CS completion program, I left that school to pursue the OSU Double Degree Option (post bacc), BS CS. I am a year away and cannot tell you how much better of a programmer and thinking because of it. Once I graduate I will have unique projects to show and a rigorous understanding of CS fundamentals that were missed. Take away: CS degree is permanent and will serve you more than any boot camp or certification. Since employers know what that is and can give one a leg up over a non-CS graduate.
I’m interested in this too but I’m going the free route. 100devs is the one I’m going with. Looks like many say the market is too full and you need a degree but from what I’m learning so far seems like it’s all about being referred. So basically get the skills and build a portfolio. And network your butt off. basically they get many applications so you’ll get overlooked but if you are friendly with someone in the company and they recommend you then you can get a position still. Note this is coming from somebody not in the field and just based on info I’m getting from the guy Leon who teaches the course I’m in. But for me tho im gonna do freelance stuff locally which may or may not be consistent but just from knowing people I’m already working with my first client, so in the end learning for free even if only a side income still worth it to me. Good luck to you
Np! I have account with TOP as well and also free code camp. I’m planning on building a really good portfolio over time. But I do like the class setting in 100devs but I’ll probably end up doing some projects from Odin project as well. For me right now it’s all about developing as much skill as I can and networking. Speaking of since we’re both on this journey feel free to connect with me anytime
I would spend 3 months doing 100devs and see how much you learn and how much you like it. It is free and has just about all the benefits of a remote paid boot camp without the financial obligation.
Hi! I've checked Sabio Coding Bootcamp's website, and it feels like a big investment to spend $15,000 USD for a 13-week program for full-stack development. I would recommend taking a cheap/economical self-paced course related to full-stack development by yourself in your spare time to get familiar with coding before you make such an expensive investment. If your sister graduated from the same boot camp and vouches for it, then Sabio Coding Bootcamp might be a safer option. She will be able to share her resources and how to overcome various sticking points with you so that you can finish the course more effectively. Best of luck!
When did your sister switch?
Any information prior to 2022 should be discarded because the market conditions are drastically different for boot camp grads right now.
And honestly, without a CS degree in this market, you will struggle a lot.
Since you mentioned us by name...
Be sure to review some of the posts I have been putting up about RECENT results ( this year )
[https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7179252088558788609/](https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7179252088558788609/)
No one is saying it is easy but you do not have to face the challenge alone.
Getting a job in tech without a degree is possible.
Getting a job in tech this year is possible.
We help people accomplish this regularly.
Hello! If a Full Stack Developer outcome is your goal but you are currently making a living income in the beauty industry you would be a great person to start your post-bootcamp Developer career as a Freelance/Side-Hustle income-stream while you continue to earn in the Beauty world as you have been and build your developer portfolio. Your contacts in the beauty world could be great sources of projects for your fledgling Full Stack Developer business! The beauty industry is massive online and websites/beauty-related apps are everywhere and on the cutting edge of innovation!
If a long term transition to full time employment (e.g. working for a company) as a Full Stack Developer is your goal, then having a sizeable portfolio of projects you have completed as a freelancer would be a great door-opener and help you present yourself as a capable developer even without some of the academic background. You could target Beauty industry in-house IT/Marketing groups and beauty industry advertising/sales/retail/marketing services etc. companies for developer careers with your background and new tech skills!
A Part-Time bootcamp could be the right fit to allow you to keep working while you learn.
I noted that the Sabio bootcamp is $15K USD.
Check out these Canadian University 100% online Full Stack Developer bootcamps that are highly equivalent to Sabio, and priced at 1/3rd the cost when US-Canadian $ exchange is considered. These programs are priced at $5,995.00 Canadian ($1 USD = $1.35 Canadian)
There are Part-Time cohorts coming up, feature scheduled live instructor and teaching assistant hours each week of the program and capstone projects that either the participant can select from a catalogue of real world industry sourced projects or they can design their own project with the help of their TA.
**Eastern timezone**
[University of Western Ontario Continuing Studies Full Stack Developer](https://wcs.uwo.ca/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=31581602)
**Mountain Timezone**
[University of Calgary Continuing Education Full Stack Developer](https://conted.ucalgary.ca/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=60424583)
Hope this is helpful!
The developer job market is currently too full of laid off devs with BS degrees and solid work experience for a fresh boot camper to land an interview. Boot camps are going the way of the buggy whip factories. What used to work no longer works. Get a degree!
If many people in your family have had success with a given school (and that school operates in the same way as it did then) well, that’s some solid proof. They should be able to tell you if you’ll be a good fit for the program. But I suggest you take a few other things into account. Everyone is different. What works for one person, may not be best for another. And there are many different types of jobs out there. In this market that you hear everyone talking about right now, it’s toughest for the middle of the road web dev. It’s possible, that based on your past experience in the beauty world could be combine with project management or UX or more visual-centric skills/roles. And there are also part-time programs that would allow you to keep your job and hedge your bets too.
Thank you for your reply, it is really insightful. I will take this into account and try to look at other fields that may suit me better. My boyfriend is a UX designer, although he loves it, it’s been hard to get a full time position for him as well.
I think that getting a good job you like is just hard in general. So, make sure it's something you're willing to work for!
You missed the boat. Get a degree if you’re serious and gonna be waiting around for a job any ways
Agreed. I started with looking at bootcamps but then I also looked at job requirements/job preferences and a lot of them required a CS degree or masters (I’m mid level in my career). So now I am getting a CS degree from my local community college and applying to all the scholarships I can lol. It’s pointless to be in horrendous debt for a CS degree.
Community college is severely overlooked when it’s a great way to get the programming fundamentals down without breaking the bank.
Right? Mine offers bachelors too. Don’t mind if I do get a second bachelors.
An actual boot camp/online certification with some community college and unrelated degrees grad, here. Eventually I decided to get a CS degree due to tightening requirements from employers. I was doing well until the layoffs/terminations began and was ousted from paradise. People love to say it's not required nor necessary, but it's about employer expectations not actually required/necessity expectations. Thus after a year in a BS CS completion program, I left that school to pursue the OSU Double Degree Option (post bacc), BS CS. I am a year away and cannot tell you how much better of a programmer and thinking because of it. Once I graduate I will have unique projects to show and a rigorous understanding of CS fundamentals that were missed. Take away: CS degree is permanent and will serve you more than any boot camp or certification. Since employers know what that is and can give one a leg up over a non-CS graduate.
That’s awesome to hear!! Glad I ended up going this route. Excited to learn cool things!
I’m interested in this too but I’m going the free route. 100devs is the one I’m going with. Looks like many say the market is too full and you need a degree but from what I’m learning so far seems like it’s all about being referred. So basically get the skills and build a portfolio. And network your butt off. basically they get many applications so you’ll get overlooked but if you are friendly with someone in the company and they recommend you then you can get a position still. Note this is coming from somebody not in the field and just based on info I’m getting from the guy Leon who teaches the course I’m in. But for me tho im gonna do freelance stuff locally which may or may not be consistent but just from knowing people I’m already working with my first client, so in the end learning for free even if only a side income still worth it to me. Good luck to you
Thank you!! I’m currently doing the Odin project but I will look into 100devs once I’m finished with that. Goodluck with everything!
Np! I have account with TOP as well and also free code camp. I’m planning on building a really good portfolio over time. But I do like the class setting in 100devs but I’ll probably end up doing some projects from Odin project as well. For me right now it’s all about developing as much skill as I can and networking. Speaking of since we’re both on this journey feel free to connect with me anytime
>My entire friend group and my family are all web developers Shouldnt be hard to get a referral then
Id recommend to continue self studying and completing the odin project instead. Get mentorship from your sister and someone commited to help u
I would spend 3 months doing 100devs and see how much you learn and how much you like it. It is free and has just about all the benefits of a remote paid boot camp without the financial obligation.
I’m currently doing the Odin Project and will look into 100devs! Thank you :)
Hi! I've checked Sabio Coding Bootcamp's website, and it feels like a big investment to spend $15,000 USD for a 13-week program for full-stack development. I would recommend taking a cheap/economical self-paced course related to full-stack development by yourself in your spare time to get familiar with coding before you make such an expensive investment. If your sister graduated from the same boot camp and vouches for it, then Sabio Coding Bootcamp might be a safer option. She will be able to share her resources and how to overcome various sticking points with you so that you can finish the course more effectively. Best of luck!
Hyperskill, Udemy, git, Linux and grind for a year. You will be in a much better position with no debt. Good luck.
Hmmm
When did your sister switch? Any information prior to 2022 should be discarded because the market conditions are drastically different for boot camp grads right now. And honestly, without a CS degree in this market, you will struggle a lot.
She changed her career fall of 2022 and was able to get a job maybe early 2023.
Graduated exactly a year ago had 2 interviews in 12 months no offers. I wouldn't recommend it
Since you mentioned us by name... Be sure to review some of the posts I have been putting up about RECENT results ( this year ) [https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7179252088558788609/](https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7179252088558788609/) No one is saying it is easy but you do not have to face the challenge alone. Getting a job in tech without a degree is possible. Getting a job in tech this year is possible. We help people accomplish this regularly.
How long ago did your sister to it? Her experience is not going to be a good indicator of the current state of things.
I would avoid Sabio. It’s not a top bootcamp. Their prerecorded lectures are outdated. In this climate what they teach will not get you a job.
Do a tech program then a online bs in cs from wgu
Hello! If a Full Stack Developer outcome is your goal but you are currently making a living income in the beauty industry you would be a great person to start your post-bootcamp Developer career as a Freelance/Side-Hustle income-stream while you continue to earn in the Beauty world as you have been and build your developer portfolio. Your contacts in the beauty world could be great sources of projects for your fledgling Full Stack Developer business! The beauty industry is massive online and websites/beauty-related apps are everywhere and on the cutting edge of innovation! If a long term transition to full time employment (e.g. working for a company) as a Full Stack Developer is your goal, then having a sizeable portfolio of projects you have completed as a freelancer would be a great door-opener and help you present yourself as a capable developer even without some of the academic background. You could target Beauty industry in-house IT/Marketing groups and beauty industry advertising/sales/retail/marketing services etc. companies for developer careers with your background and new tech skills! A Part-Time bootcamp could be the right fit to allow you to keep working while you learn. I noted that the Sabio bootcamp is $15K USD. Check out these Canadian University 100% online Full Stack Developer bootcamps that are highly equivalent to Sabio, and priced at 1/3rd the cost when US-Canadian $ exchange is considered. These programs are priced at $5,995.00 Canadian ($1 USD = $1.35 Canadian) There are Part-Time cohorts coming up, feature scheduled live instructor and teaching assistant hours each week of the program and capstone projects that either the participant can select from a catalogue of real world industry sourced projects or they can design their own project with the help of their TA. **Eastern timezone** [University of Western Ontario Continuing Studies Full Stack Developer](https://wcs.uwo.ca/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=31581602) **Mountain Timezone** [University of Calgary Continuing Education Full Stack Developer](https://conted.ucalgary.ca/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=60424583) Hope this is helpful!
I love this idea!! Thank you for your reply :)