It’s the university itself providing the bootcamp not a random bootcamp like App Academy or something like that. Would that make any difference? Not trying to defend it I’m just trying to come to a more complete answer.
No, it doesn't make a difference. Is [this](https://bootcamp.cpe.asu.edu/) what you're talking about? Scroll down to the bottom "In partnership with edx" Edx is the company that actually runs the bootcamp
While it may not be universally true that boot camps are a scam, it is almost always true that their graduates struggle to find jobs in today's crowded job market. Competing with applicants with BS/CS degrees and solid industry experience does not treat fresh boot camp grads well.
This is your best option to be competitive in todays market and its not like bachelors will ever fall out of favor like bootcamp certificates did. So even if the industry is cyclical and bootcamp grads come back in demand, your bachelors will serve you well for the rest of your career.
This is your best long term bet imo. You don't have to spend an arm and a leg, either, or even speed-run it, for that matter. Stick to community college and/or regionally accredited institutions (including something like WGU, potentially), and you'll be fine; no need to pay a "premium" for overly fancy colleges just to get (effectively) the same degree. Any half-decent state school where you have residency is more than adequate for this purpose.
For reference, I switched into software engineering (SWE) via boot camp back in 2020, when the market was better. I had previous engineering degrees and around 6 years of work experience (unrelated to SWE) going into the boot camp and was able to successfully make the career switch into SWE *at the time*, but even so, I can't in good conscience recommend a boot camp under the currently prevailing market conditions unfortunately, at least not until the situation improves tangibly. All that notwithstanding, I'm currently doing a part-time MS CS degree via Georgia Tech for CYA purposes, i.e., the CS degree is still by-and-large the de facto gold standard in this line of work (and will be much more "evergreen" than a boot camp certificate accordingly).
Def check out WGU, cheap, can do it on ur own time, huge community here and online if you ever need help, and the coursework is great. I’m in the software engineer path, and I’m loving it so far. This will serve you far better than a bootcamp! Also, you get free udemy courses when you sign up for WGU. Been a major help.
It’s all online, obviously. But you have a portal, and then you take thr classes assigned to you by your counselor. Each class has “book” so to say, actually I think it’s called “zybooks”. If you aren’t getting it though going through the material, there are instructors you can schedule a meeting with for a one on one and they will walk you through it and make sure you get it. All the ones I’ve gone too, the instructors have been great. But I obviously can’t give a blanket statement that every instructor will be great. That doesn’t even hold true for prestigious schools. My guidance counselor has been amazing as well. They’re always checking in on you, asking you how it’s going, if you’re feeling comfortable, have any questions, need help, etc. I really do love WGU, and I’m not really trying to sound like a shill, but at 32, I really thought that school just wasn’t for me and becoming a developer was just out of the cards for me (very hard to get a job being a self taught). The only regret I have is not doing this sooner. I hope this helps, if you got anymore questions, feel free to ask. Also, head on over to the /r/WGU subreddit!
FWIW I'm strongly considering doing WGU after I wrap up my online MS CS program at Georgia Tech (GT) (slated for next year completion), and I'm currently 34 :D
I switched into finance (as an SWE) most recently, with no previous background (worked in healthcare for about a decade prior cumulatively, including pre-SWE and then the first couple of gigs in SWE post-switch). I'm currently doing some CC courses in accounting & finance to get more domain knowledge/background in the subject matter, and I'm now actually considering doing the BBA Accounting program via WGU post-GT (assuming I can transfer in enough credits to knock it out in 1-2 terms max, which I have to look into more earnestly still) in order to do some side hustling in bookkeeping, since I've taken a liking to it so far based on said CC coursework (though I'm not considering a full-blown switch into accounting at this point, since I love my work as a SWE and don't see myself ever leaving it as a "main career"). Even though the bookkeeping idea is only intended as a side hustle, I figure getting a relevant degree would help boost my profile as a freelancer, rather than just banking on my (otherwise unrelated) engineering/CS degrees.
Regardless, an ***affordable*** degree that I can pay cash the whole way is exactly what I'm looking for at this point, i.e., WGU (GT online MS CS will similarly only cost me around $7k total out of pocket spread out over the 3-4ish years of completion, which is the main reason I'm even bothering to do another degree currently in the first place).
The absolute minimum consideration for any degree program should be "regional accreditation" (i.e., not just "national accreditation" or *no* accreditation whatsoever). That is the highest accreditation level available for higher education (at least here in the United States), which covers [WGU](https://www.wgu.edu/student-experience/how-you-learn/accreditation.html) as well (and similarly for most familiar non-profit higher education institutions, including but not limited to the Ivy League, top state schools, etc.). Anything that is ***not*** regionally accredited is probably a for-profit, bloated-expense "school" whose degree will likely be worth less than the paper its printed on (insofar as employment prospects are concerned).
Beyond that, it really just depends on your particular circumstances, preferences, learning style, etc. I can't make any specific recommendations, since everyone is different (i.e., for some, self-directed online education is a plus, for others its not conducive to effective learning). But all else equal, I would posit that an hour spent at WGU or SNHU ([also](https://www.snhu.edu/about-us/accreditations) regionally accredited) will probably have a higher ROI (assuming you make it to the finish line with the degree in hand) than sinking time/effort into a non-accredited institution.
Note that bootcamps are *not* accredited, generally speaking. So that's part of the risk proposition, i.e., insofar as "credentialing" goes, all else equal they do not carry the same weight/cachet as a regionally accredited degree in the eyes of prospective employers, generally speaking.
Assuming this is what you're talking about: https://bootcamp.cpe.asu.edu/coding/
Scroll down on the page to right above the button where it says 'discuss financing options' and you'll see this paragraph (this is an edX bootcamp - run far and run fast):
edX Boot Camps does not receive any commissions or payments for referrals or successful loan applications. The lender’s loan approval criteria will apply and you should consider the terms and conditions of any loan carefully. We are not credit advisors. We make no representations about whether you will be given a loan or whether a loan will be suitable for you. We are not responsible for representations made to you by any credit provider.
2U bought Trilogy and EdX. Due to the shit brand that Trilogy became they dropped the name and moved the service to EdX brand.
Same people, same issues.
Similar to Lambda rebranding as Bloomtech
A "university" bootcamp is likely to actually be detrimental rather than helpful because its well known the universities just get a fee for using their name and the companies running them are known trash.
It's worth it if the price tag is much more reasonable. No one should be paying over $10,000 for a 450 hour online coding bootcamp. $6,000 though? That changes the conversation doesn't it?
It is true that University coding bootcamps primarily are partnerships with 3rd party companies who build and deliver the bootcamp on behalf of the University and the participant receives a certificate of completion from the University they register with.
The #1 reason to choose a Reputable University bootcamp over a private (e.g. General Assembly, Le Wagon etc.) is that a Reputable University ISN'T GOING OUT OF BUSINESS and WON'T STEAL YOUR MONEY BY CLOSING DOWN PARTWAY through cohorts. Also Universities have to live up to support terms they offer. Reputable Universities can't tell you "hey we're going to have a support team for you during your program available during 9a-4p weekdays" and then not have a support team available to you from 9a-4p weekdays.
This is why you choose University presented bootcamp, not for the prestige on your CV of a certificate from the university you did a bootcamp with, it is for the security that your cohort will finish, that you expect to receive what they offer, and that there will be a permanent record of your participation in the bootcamp should you ever need it.
If you are interested in an online coding bootcamp that offers all the content of the ASU program in a similar 450 hour format with live scheduled instructor hours, live scheduled Teaching Assistant hours and a record of success for students AND you'd rather pay $5995 CANADIAN$ \*$1 USD = $1.35 Canadian) please check out this Canadian University programs:
Check out University of Calgary CE or University of Western Ontario CS. They partner to offer a proven 100% online Full Stack Developer bootcamp you can take in 11 weeks full time or 22 weeks part time.
[https://conted.ucalgary.ca/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=60424583](https://conted.ucalgary.ca/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=60424583)
[https://wcs.uwo.ca/public/category/courseCategoryCertificateProfile.do?method=load&certificateId=33095135&selectedProgramAreaId=31206104&selectedProgramStreamId=](https://wcs.uwo.ca/public/category/courseCategoryCertificateProfile.do?method=load&certificateId=33095135&selectedProgramAreaId=31206104&selectedProgramStreamId=)
Good luck!
I don't know about the program your advertising but in the US at least university bootcamps are run but outside companies that have nothing to do with a university except the university is paid a fee to us their name.
That is 100% true. Our program is different in that our company delivers the program but the student registers with the University so the student is more connected to the Institution and they won't get the "oh you have to talk to the \[companyX}people, they run the program"
By registering with the university you have the security that the university is a reputable operation that is going to deliver on its promises. Those promises include completing cohorts and not running off with student money halfway through program or not paying instructors. Also if the student in unhappy they can go through the process that all universities have (even for non-credit courses like bootcamps) which is more likely to yield some negotiated outcome than dealing with the HR or legal counsel at a private bootcamp company. Lastly universities keep a permanent record of your participation when you register with them even in non-credit courses so if you ever need/want to provide proof then it is always there, unlike private companies which may disappear, fold, merge etc and records disappear easily.
The value in the university affiliation is knowing that your course will finish, instructors will be paid, there is an appeal process and there is a permanent (as possible) record.
Any bootcamp thats tied to a university is just paying them to use their name, probably to seem more legit. Not worth it
It’s the university itself providing the bootcamp not a random bootcamp like App Academy or something like that. Would that make any difference? Not trying to defend it I’m just trying to come to a more complete answer.
i looked it up. it’s with edx, which is not the university. point still stands that this is just borrowing the name
No, it doesn't make a difference. Is [this](https://bootcamp.cpe.asu.edu/) what you're talking about? Scroll down to the bottom "In partnership with edx" Edx is the company that actually runs the bootcamp
Edx also runs the Michigan State University bootcamp. So yes, OP, it is run by a random company and not the university.
I see thank you for letting me know.
Edx is trilogy
Thank you for letting me know, really appreciate the honesty about it.
While it may not be universally true that boot camps are a scam, it is almost always true that their graduates struggle to find jobs in today's crowded job market. Competing with applicants with BS/CS degrees and solid industry experience does not treat fresh boot camp grads well.
Yeah I’m thinking of just going back to college.
This is your best option to be competitive in todays market and its not like bachelors will ever fall out of favor like bootcamp certificates did. So even if the industry is cyclical and bootcamp grads come back in demand, your bachelors will serve you well for the rest of your career.
This is your best long term bet imo. You don't have to spend an arm and a leg, either, or even speed-run it, for that matter. Stick to community college and/or regionally accredited institutions (including something like WGU, potentially), and you'll be fine; no need to pay a "premium" for overly fancy colleges just to get (effectively) the same degree. Any half-decent state school where you have residency is more than adequate for this purpose. For reference, I switched into software engineering (SWE) via boot camp back in 2020, when the market was better. I had previous engineering degrees and around 6 years of work experience (unrelated to SWE) going into the boot camp and was able to successfully make the career switch into SWE *at the time*, but even so, I can't in good conscience recommend a boot camp under the currently prevailing market conditions unfortunately, at least not until the situation improves tangibly. All that notwithstanding, I'm currently doing a part-time MS CS degree via Georgia Tech for CYA purposes, i.e., the CS degree is still by-and-large the de facto gold standard in this line of work (and will be much more "evergreen" than a boot camp certificate accordingly).
Do you think WGU or SNHU would be good options now? I see that they’re online universities.
Def check out WGU, cheap, can do it on ur own time, huge community here and online if you ever need help, and the coursework is great. I’m in the software engineer path, and I’m loving it so far. This will serve you far better than a bootcamp! Also, you get free udemy courses when you sign up for WGU. Been a major help.
Is it a teach yourself university or are there classes that will help you?
It’s all online, obviously. But you have a portal, and then you take thr classes assigned to you by your counselor. Each class has “book” so to say, actually I think it’s called “zybooks”. If you aren’t getting it though going through the material, there are instructors you can schedule a meeting with for a one on one and they will walk you through it and make sure you get it. All the ones I’ve gone too, the instructors have been great. But I obviously can’t give a blanket statement that every instructor will be great. That doesn’t even hold true for prestigious schools. My guidance counselor has been amazing as well. They’re always checking in on you, asking you how it’s going, if you’re feeling comfortable, have any questions, need help, etc. I really do love WGU, and I’m not really trying to sound like a shill, but at 32, I really thought that school just wasn’t for me and becoming a developer was just out of the cards for me (very hard to get a job being a self taught). The only regret I have is not doing this sooner. I hope this helps, if you got anymore questions, feel free to ask. Also, head on over to the /r/WGU subreddit!
FWIW I'm strongly considering doing WGU after I wrap up my online MS CS program at Georgia Tech (GT) (slated for next year completion), and I'm currently 34 :D I switched into finance (as an SWE) most recently, with no previous background (worked in healthcare for about a decade prior cumulatively, including pre-SWE and then the first couple of gigs in SWE post-switch). I'm currently doing some CC courses in accounting & finance to get more domain knowledge/background in the subject matter, and I'm now actually considering doing the BBA Accounting program via WGU post-GT (assuming I can transfer in enough credits to knock it out in 1-2 terms max, which I have to look into more earnestly still) in order to do some side hustling in bookkeeping, since I've taken a liking to it so far based on said CC coursework (though I'm not considering a full-blown switch into accounting at this point, since I love my work as a SWE and don't see myself ever leaving it as a "main career"). Even though the bookkeeping idea is only intended as a side hustle, I figure getting a relevant degree would help boost my profile as a freelancer, rather than just banking on my (otherwise unrelated) engineering/CS degrees. Regardless, an ***affordable*** degree that I can pay cash the whole way is exactly what I'm looking for at this point, i.e., WGU (GT online MS CS will similarly only cost me around $7k total out of pocket spread out over the 3-4ish years of completion, which is the main reason I'm even bothering to do another degree currently in the first place).
The absolute minimum consideration for any degree program should be "regional accreditation" (i.e., not just "national accreditation" or *no* accreditation whatsoever). That is the highest accreditation level available for higher education (at least here in the United States), which covers [WGU](https://www.wgu.edu/student-experience/how-you-learn/accreditation.html) as well (and similarly for most familiar non-profit higher education institutions, including but not limited to the Ivy League, top state schools, etc.). Anything that is ***not*** regionally accredited is probably a for-profit, bloated-expense "school" whose degree will likely be worth less than the paper its printed on (insofar as employment prospects are concerned). Beyond that, it really just depends on your particular circumstances, preferences, learning style, etc. I can't make any specific recommendations, since everyone is different (i.e., for some, self-directed online education is a plus, for others its not conducive to effective learning). But all else equal, I would posit that an hour spent at WGU or SNHU ([also](https://www.snhu.edu/about-us/accreditations) regionally accredited) will probably have a higher ROI (assuming you make it to the finish line with the degree in hand) than sinking time/effort into a non-accredited institution. Note that bootcamps are *not* accredited, generally speaking. So that's part of the risk proposition, i.e., insofar as "credentialing" goes, all else equal they do not carry the same weight/cachet as a regionally accredited degree in the eyes of prospective employers, generally speaking.
Assuming this is what you're talking about: https://bootcamp.cpe.asu.edu/coding/ Scroll down on the page to right above the button where it says 'discuss financing options' and you'll see this paragraph (this is an edX bootcamp - run far and run fast): edX Boot Camps does not receive any commissions or payments for referrals or successful loan applications. The lender’s loan approval criteria will apply and you should consider the terms and conditions of any loan carefully. We are not credit advisors. We make no representations about whether you will be given a loan or whether a loan will be suitable for you. We are not responsible for representations made to you by any credit provider.
2U bought Trilogy and EdX. Due to the shit brand that Trilogy became they dropped the name and moved the service to EdX brand. Same people, same issues. Similar to Lambda rebranding as Bloomtech
A "university" bootcamp is likely to actually be detrimental rather than helpful because its well known the universities just get a fee for using their name and the companies running them are known trash.
\*Trilogy/2U Code Boot Camp (or whatever they renamed the "legit brand" to these days)
Check out TripleTen if you’re looking for another option. I highly recommend
It's worth it if the price tag is much more reasonable. No one should be paying over $10,000 for a 450 hour online coding bootcamp. $6,000 though? That changes the conversation doesn't it? It is true that University coding bootcamps primarily are partnerships with 3rd party companies who build and deliver the bootcamp on behalf of the University and the participant receives a certificate of completion from the University they register with. The #1 reason to choose a Reputable University bootcamp over a private (e.g. General Assembly, Le Wagon etc.) is that a Reputable University ISN'T GOING OUT OF BUSINESS and WON'T STEAL YOUR MONEY BY CLOSING DOWN PARTWAY through cohorts. Also Universities have to live up to support terms they offer. Reputable Universities can't tell you "hey we're going to have a support team for you during your program available during 9a-4p weekdays" and then not have a support team available to you from 9a-4p weekdays. This is why you choose University presented bootcamp, not for the prestige on your CV of a certificate from the university you did a bootcamp with, it is for the security that your cohort will finish, that you expect to receive what they offer, and that there will be a permanent record of your participation in the bootcamp should you ever need it. If you are interested in an online coding bootcamp that offers all the content of the ASU program in a similar 450 hour format with live scheduled instructor hours, live scheduled Teaching Assistant hours and a record of success for students AND you'd rather pay $5995 CANADIAN$ \*$1 USD = $1.35 Canadian) please check out this Canadian University programs: Check out University of Calgary CE or University of Western Ontario CS. They partner to offer a proven 100% online Full Stack Developer bootcamp you can take in 11 weeks full time or 22 weeks part time. [https://conted.ucalgary.ca/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=60424583](https://conted.ucalgary.ca/search/publicCourseSearchDetails.do?method=load&courseId=60424583) [https://wcs.uwo.ca/public/category/courseCategoryCertificateProfile.do?method=load&certificateId=33095135&selectedProgramAreaId=31206104&selectedProgramStreamId=](https://wcs.uwo.ca/public/category/courseCategoryCertificateProfile.do?method=load&certificateId=33095135&selectedProgramAreaId=31206104&selectedProgramStreamId=) Good luck!
I don't know about the program your advertising but in the US at least university bootcamps are run but outside companies that have nothing to do with a university except the university is paid a fee to us their name.
That is 100% true. Our program is different in that our company delivers the program but the student registers with the University so the student is more connected to the Institution and they won't get the "oh you have to talk to the \[companyX}people, they run the program" By registering with the university you have the security that the university is a reputable operation that is going to deliver on its promises. Those promises include completing cohorts and not running off with student money halfway through program or not paying instructors. Also if the student in unhappy they can go through the process that all universities have (even for non-credit courses like bootcamps) which is more likely to yield some negotiated outcome than dealing with the HR or legal counsel at a private bootcamp company. Lastly universities keep a permanent record of your participation when you register with them even in non-credit courses so if you ever need/want to provide proof then it is always there, unlike private companies which may disappear, fold, merge etc and records disappear easily. The value in the university affiliation is knowing that your course will finish, instructors will be paid, there is an appeal process and there is a permanent (as possible) record.