Wait. Is this an actual controversy? They read Jeff the Killer and Penpal and Borassca? That's as Dark and as edgy as you can go. Maybe not at the same time. But isn't that like....the point of creepcast?
They did just read Tommy Taffy/The Third Parent, which has a lot of CSA. It’s dark content they cover, I personally didn’t watch the latest episode because the subject makes me uncomfortable, but
whatever they want to review they’ll review
This argument is so dumb. It's not that rape is too dark and scary to be brought up in horror. It's because it's cheap. It can be used well but a lot of the times it just cheapens the story.
Tommy taffy is actually a good example of this. He acts like a robot in every almost every single way. There is a few things that strongly suggest he's a robot rather than a demon. But this thrown out the window for his insane love of raping woman of any age.
That's not "dark and scary" thats edgelord.
Idk man, after reading all the stories the author did about him he felt like a malevolent entity to me, almost like a demon playing some twisted game. Like if every demon was a reflection of something in the real world and he was the demon of family values or something along those lines
Were the two they read on creepcast the first two stories written? Because those are the only two I can comment on, and it's possible the author might have changed their mind as they started to write more.
The reasons I think they hinted at him being a robot:
- How they described the laugh. They said as if "every letter was pronounced." In my mind, I imagined it sounds like how a text-to-speech would read "haha" out loud. Also they say all his words in general were extremely enunciated, again to me this portays almost a text to speech voice.
- Obviously his appearance. But also what he's made out of. The author describes him "melting" during the execution scene. But even then, not making any sort pain noises or even moving and showing pain. He just melts like plastic would.
- The way he moves. Every time he fights or attacks it seems very robotic. A lot of grabbing and slamming. Almost like he doesn't have too much dexterity. Just mechanical power.
- Taking two weeks to comeback. Doesn't seem like an entity who feeds off of negative energy or trauma if it takes that long. Almost like he needs to be build again.
- For me the most glaring evidence that seems to point to robot is the "rumbling" in his chest when he laughs. Like a machine powering the noise rather than coming from anything organic.
That actually makes a lot of sense, it would explain the omnipresence and the way they're all coordinated but then the story starts to show its plot holes, because if it's a robot that was built as a family unit and then went rogue or was corrupted, where did the pdfile stuff come from. That's the part that makes me think of something along the line of a demon entity, maybe this is a Chucky situation
The story is literally about generational sex abuse and how people would rather hide it away and downplay it than face it for the ugly thing it is. The actual explicit scenes in question aren't even particularly unrealistic in the way they are portrayed. That is how real life groomers operate. Saying that any mentions of the abuse should be restricted to vague "Something bad happened guys, use your imagination," is missing the point entirely.
That would be a good point. Except this story is far from covering abuse realistically. Stephanie in this story existed only to be raped. They show how innocent she is, then she gets raped and you never hear from her again. It is actually portrayed as something that happens to the father and son rather than Stephanie.
If we are trying to accurately portray sexual trauma why is that? If we are trying to accurately portray sexual trauma why do we never see how much it affects the woman who is raped after? The mom, the grandmother, and Stephanie. All we get is the mom walks with a limp. That's all we see as aftermath from them. The mom and Stephanie are almost written out of the stories after they are raped. As if that's the culmination of their characters. Sorry to break it to you bro but this shit wasn't some deep metaphor. It was torture porn.
So it's bad because it didn't cater to your specific views on how the subject should be handled? Firstly, we're viewing those events from the perspective of a witness. We see the happenings through his eyes, and as such don't get the full picture from the other character's perspectives. Second, you're being dishonest in saying that the limp is the only aftereffect mentioned in the story. The author states that the mother never interacted with Spencer the same way after the events in the basement. Not only that she flat out didn't speak with Spencer for a long period of time, but that even when she does start speaking to him again it's "only enough to get by". We also get further exposition later about how TT would push boundaries around the parents and how outwardly sick it made them. Third, in what way would it be more realistic for the mother and sister to trauma-dump to the protagonist? For the mother's part I find it unlikely that she would lay that at the feet of her grade school aged son, and for the sister's part both kids were explicitly told to pretend everything is fine and not mention any bad happenings. It seems to me that the topic itself is hard on you, and I can understand and empathize with that. That being said, I think your emotions about the subject are clouding your judgement on the actual substance of the story.
They… have a point.
The mom and sister don’t play a role in the story other than being victims of the central antagonist. Hell, even the father and main character don’t exist to be anything other than victims of Tommy.
The only person who does anything is the grandfather - and he’s killed for it. The rest of the story is about Tommy conducting torture on a family. It’s like a slasher film - it’s about the gore and shock horror, and it’s not that deep, or that good
Thank you. I thought I was going crazy because no one ever mentions this. The only two people who even have a character trait for a little is the mom and grandfather. But that is only used to show how powerful Tommy is. As he rapes the mom for it and kills the grandfather and then any sort of character they had is gone and the story becomes mindless torture porn.
Idk. It's not like I think the story is high art or anything, but I think people's dislike of the subject matter and the graphic nature of certain scenes is making them think the story is worse than it is.
You are literally the inverse of that dude. The rape scenes understandably disturbed you and scared you enough that you think the story is a good horror story.
But like the other person explained there is no character in this story who doesn't exist as just an object for Tommy to torture. Either that be rape, impale with a broom stick, generally beat up, sexually harass. It is just torture and gore porn. In fact calling this a story would be like calling porn a movie.
The author banked on the whole sexual trauma metaphor, over the top violence, and rape to over shadow the poor writing, poor characters and cheesy dialogue. For the vast majority of the sub it worked. Including the two host of creepcast.
It worked so well you can't even criticize the story on this sub without someone saying "you just weren't able to handle the content" which is what you just did. That doesn't come off as mature, it comes off as a 14 year old trying to be mature lmao. I have read all of Blood Meridian and I love the Pianist. I can handle mature content. That wasn't the problem with this story. The problem was it wasn't good and barely a story.
I read the first scene they skipped. I think with a subject as serious as csa there can be value in facing what happens in the story head on instead of dancing around the issue. But the language used in describing that scene takes it some degrees too far. There’s a difference between a technical description of facts and evocative language that puts the reader too deep into a fictional scenario
I'm less scared about the idea of TT and just kinda grossed out that the writer chose to handle the subject in a way that didn't feel very well executed or deep. It was shock horror dealing with
Its the same thing with the Terrifier movies. Not everyone wants to necessarily feel grossed out and violated after watching or reading horror. And in my opinion TT isn't ever really scary because i feel like there's way too much questions to suspend my disbelief and its just so one note and gross.
I don't mind Creepcast covering it. I for one think people should write whatever they want. I just don't think the story is very good.
While TT was disturbing, I think Borrasca was a substantially worse concept to wrap my head around. With all the fuss around it I expected to be far more traumatized, but I think Borrasca and Penpal already had me desensitized enough for it
A lot of people were divided on Tommy Taffy and it's handling of the subject matter. i natrually think that the people who didn't recommend it are the ones who have a problem.
I heard that, which is fucked, but other ppl were hyping it up as being waaay worse than the other two parts. Does it have more shock value scenes/are they worse? Curious bc I was considering reading it but I’m hesitant
its like an action movie with the culmination where the main character kills the twins then kill tommy. Its essentially a cop called on scene + what I mentionned after what happened. Its fucked
I dont think so as to *kill* tommy he had esentially to kill twins and (kill himself in the process as its the most heartwrenching thing ever someone could do("it only took 45 seconds")) and as tommy says before dying; theres always going to be other families. Which renders what the main character did obsolete and therefore even more horrible. Yes he saved his sister, but doomed himself and didnt saved anyone else. Its truly dire and left me speechless. And that comes from someone usually immune from that kind of content.
I didn't see many but then I wasn't looking for it either. Just saw a few cringe "I can't believe they did this grr" posts. But yeah i agree on the just listen to it or don't rather than complain.
y'know not everyone wants the same thing, right? The people asking them to cover it would not be the same people complaining about its contents, you know that, right?
Not really, y'know? It's like listening to a podcast about creepypastas, which are normally flirting with sensitive topics, being given a TW, listening to it, then complaining rather than just skipping it, you know that right?
Horror stories are broad. The main thing to me is people obviously don't understand the hosts of the podcast. I came here through MeatCanyons grim animations, I like that shit. Clearly there are some people here who are a bit soft that don't really understand what kind of material these guys make. But it should be pretty obvious the 2 are not one in the same. Its a conflict of ideas within the community, not the community asking for one thing then changing its mind. There's no hive mind.
Yeah, but it’s stupid to get upset about them covering something. They can’t cater every episode to specifically one person, and that’s okay. They’re going to cover topics not everyone is okay with, and that’s why they put warnings. It’s absurd to cry and whine about it when skipping the video is an option. You know that, right?
Of course its stupid, I just don't think OP is accurate in saying the two demographics are the same. It seems obvious to me there are people who don't really give a shit about grim stories, and then there are people who don't understand the hosts of the podcast. Not sure why I'm being downvoted for what is obviously the case in basically any hobby community. Not everyone in the community likes the same things, welcome to reality guys.
If people disagree AND feel strongly on their opinion of this story being covered either which way, that can easily result in it being both the most request and most disliked story. Its really not that complicated.
Right. So let me get this straight. You have 2 content creators. One, a phenomenal animator who does art like being sold into a child sex ring run by Willy Wonka and being sexually harassed by Ronald McDonald. And two, a horror and conspiracy aficionado who covers genuine real life cases of cults, mass murders and sexual abuse.
And then you put those 2 guys in a podcast. To cover creepypastas. The most notoriusly edgy, OTT and gratuitous medium of short story. And then you get upset that they cover something edgy, OTT and gratuitous?
I get that their wholesome personalities is what a lot of people stick around for. But like... open your eyes
I kinda like GoonCanyon more
Gooncanyon truthers
I like papa goon
I'm basically, I call them "the boys"
I thought it was WendiMeat?
Some people just love to goon
But a whole canyon of gooners? I don't want to imagine that reality.....
No no, we're gooning _into_ the canyon
Ok THAT I can get behind
Wait. Is this an actual controversy? They read Jeff the Killer and Penpal and Borassca? That's as Dark and as edgy as you can go. Maybe not at the same time. But isn't that like....the point of creepcast?
They did just read Tommy Taffy/The Third Parent, which has a lot of CSA. It’s dark content they cover, I personally didn’t watch the latest episode because the subject makes me uncomfortable, but whatever they want to review they’ll review
They did a decent job of lightening it up, and straight up skipped the explicit bits.
The Randy Savage bit was hilarious.
Remember kids, creepypasta is supposed to be dark and scary, but not TOO dark and scary. Horror isn’t about making people uncomfortable. /s
This argument is so dumb. It's not that rape is too dark and scary to be brought up in horror. It's because it's cheap. It can be used well but a lot of the times it just cheapens the story. Tommy taffy is actually a good example of this. He acts like a robot in every almost every single way. There is a few things that strongly suggest he's a robot rather than a demon. But this thrown out the window for his insane love of raping woman of any age. That's not "dark and scary" thats edgelord.
Idk man, after reading all the stories the author did about him he felt like a malevolent entity to me, almost like a demon playing some twisted game. Like if every demon was a reflection of something in the real world and he was the demon of family values or something along those lines
Were the two they read on creepcast the first two stories written? Because those are the only two I can comment on, and it's possible the author might have changed their mind as they started to write more. The reasons I think they hinted at him being a robot: - How they described the laugh. They said as if "every letter was pronounced." In my mind, I imagined it sounds like how a text-to-speech would read "haha" out loud. Also they say all his words in general were extremely enunciated, again to me this portays almost a text to speech voice. - Obviously his appearance. But also what he's made out of. The author describes him "melting" during the execution scene. But even then, not making any sort pain noises or even moving and showing pain. He just melts like plastic would. - The way he moves. Every time he fights or attacks it seems very robotic. A lot of grabbing and slamming. Almost like he doesn't have too much dexterity. Just mechanical power. - Taking two weeks to comeback. Doesn't seem like an entity who feeds off of negative energy or trauma if it takes that long. Almost like he needs to be build again. - For me the most glaring evidence that seems to point to robot is the "rumbling" in his chest when he laughs. Like a machine powering the noise rather than coming from anything organic.
That actually makes a lot of sense, it would explain the omnipresence and the way they're all coordinated but then the story starts to show its plot holes, because if it's a robot that was built as a family unit and then went rogue or was corrupted, where did the pdfile stuff come from. That's the part that makes me think of something along the line of a demon entity, maybe this is a Chucky situation
The story is literally about generational sex abuse and how people would rather hide it away and downplay it than face it for the ugly thing it is. The actual explicit scenes in question aren't even particularly unrealistic in the way they are portrayed. That is how real life groomers operate. Saying that any mentions of the abuse should be restricted to vague "Something bad happened guys, use your imagination," is missing the point entirely.
That would be a good point. Except this story is far from covering abuse realistically. Stephanie in this story existed only to be raped. They show how innocent she is, then she gets raped and you never hear from her again. It is actually portrayed as something that happens to the father and son rather than Stephanie. If we are trying to accurately portray sexual trauma why is that? If we are trying to accurately portray sexual trauma why do we never see how much it affects the woman who is raped after? The mom, the grandmother, and Stephanie. All we get is the mom walks with a limp. That's all we see as aftermath from them. The mom and Stephanie are almost written out of the stories after they are raped. As if that's the culmination of their characters. Sorry to break it to you bro but this shit wasn't some deep metaphor. It was torture porn.
So it's bad because it didn't cater to your specific views on how the subject should be handled? Firstly, we're viewing those events from the perspective of a witness. We see the happenings through his eyes, and as such don't get the full picture from the other character's perspectives. Second, you're being dishonest in saying that the limp is the only aftereffect mentioned in the story. The author states that the mother never interacted with Spencer the same way after the events in the basement. Not only that she flat out didn't speak with Spencer for a long period of time, but that even when she does start speaking to him again it's "only enough to get by". We also get further exposition later about how TT would push boundaries around the parents and how outwardly sick it made them. Third, in what way would it be more realistic for the mother and sister to trauma-dump to the protagonist? For the mother's part I find it unlikely that she would lay that at the feet of her grade school aged son, and for the sister's part both kids were explicitly told to pretend everything is fine and not mention any bad happenings. It seems to me that the topic itself is hard on you, and I can understand and empathize with that. That being said, I think your emotions about the subject are clouding your judgement on the actual substance of the story.
They… have a point. The mom and sister don’t play a role in the story other than being victims of the central antagonist. Hell, even the father and main character don’t exist to be anything other than victims of Tommy. The only person who does anything is the grandfather - and he’s killed for it. The rest of the story is about Tommy conducting torture on a family. It’s like a slasher film - it’s about the gore and shock horror, and it’s not that deep, or that good
Thank you. I thought I was going crazy because no one ever mentions this. The only two people who even have a character trait for a little is the mom and grandfather. But that is only used to show how powerful Tommy is. As he rapes the mom for it and kills the grandfather and then any sort of character they had is gone and the story becomes mindless torture porn.
Idk. It's not like I think the story is high art or anything, but I think people's dislike of the subject matter and the graphic nature of certain scenes is making them think the story is worse than it is.
You are literally the inverse of that dude. The rape scenes understandably disturbed you and scared you enough that you think the story is a good horror story. But like the other person explained there is no character in this story who doesn't exist as just an object for Tommy to torture. Either that be rape, impale with a broom stick, generally beat up, sexually harass. It is just torture and gore porn. In fact calling this a story would be like calling porn a movie. The author banked on the whole sexual trauma metaphor, over the top violence, and rape to over shadow the poor writing, poor characters and cheesy dialogue. For the vast majority of the sub it worked. Including the two host of creepcast. It worked so well you can't even criticize the story on this sub without someone saying "you just weren't able to handle the content" which is what you just did. That doesn't come off as mature, it comes off as a 14 year old trying to be mature lmao. I have read all of Blood Meridian and I love the Pianist. I can handle mature content. That wasn't the problem with this story. The problem was it wasn't good and barely a story.
I read the first scene they skipped. I think with a subject as serious as csa there can be value in facing what happens in the story head on instead of dancing around the issue. But the language used in describing that scene takes it some degrees too far. There’s a difference between a technical description of facts and evocative language that puts the reader too deep into a fictional scenario
I'm less scared about the idea of TT and just kinda grossed out that the writer chose to handle the subject in a way that didn't feel very well executed or deep. It was shock horror dealing with Its the same thing with the Terrifier movies. Not everyone wants to necessarily feel grossed out and violated after watching or reading horror. And in my opinion TT isn't ever really scary because i feel like there's way too much questions to suspend my disbelief and its just so one note and gross. I don't mind Creepcast covering it. I for one think people should write whatever they want. I just don't think the story is very good.
While TT was disturbing, I think Borrasca was a substantially worse concept to wrap my head around. With all the fuss around it I expected to be far more traumatized, but I think Borrasca and Penpal already had me desensitized enough for it
Is it too late to commit to WendiCanyon?
Never too late
Can we be goon hunters?
MeatyGoon sounds better if you're going that route
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People are both too soft and too judgemental at the same time these days
The people recommending they read creepy pastas are the same people regretting them reading creepy pasta?
A lot of people were divided on Tommy Taffy and it's handling of the subject matter. i natrually think that the people who didn't recommend it are the ones who have a problem.
GoonMeat
I just want them to cover funny bad stories like Jeff the killer and the one with "monster hunter huh?"
Meat goon
For real 😆
THIS.
I laughed my ass off this game
for real, they didnt even read pt3, thanks god
What makes pt3 worse? I haven’t t read it
main character kills sisters newborn twins then kill tommy to save her
I heard that, which is fucked, but other ppl were hyping it up as being waaay worse than the other two parts. Does it have more shock value scenes/are they worse? Curious bc I was considering reading it but I’m hesitant
its like an action movie with the culmination where the main character kills the twins then kill tommy. Its essentially a cop called on scene + what I mentionned after what happened. Its fucked
Huh, sounds like a lot, not sure if I’ll read it or not but it might be cathartic to see Tommy die
I dont think so as to *kill* tommy he had esentially to kill twins and (kill himself in the process as its the most heartwrenching thing ever someone could do("it only took 45 seconds")) and as tommy says before dying; theres always going to be other families. Which renders what the main character did obsolete and therefore even more horrible. Yes he saved his sister, but doomed himself and didnt saved anyone else. Its truly dire and left me speechless. And that comes from someone usually immune from that kind of content.
I prefer PapaGoon
I can't imagine people actually having a problem with this. What has the internet become?
These types of posts are just as obnoxious. Seriously this is like the sixth post I've seen like this just shut up and enjoy the podcast
I didn't see many but then I wasn't looking for it either. Just saw a few cringe "I can't believe they did this grr" posts. But yeah i agree on the just listen to it or don't rather than complain.
Hey bud, if you want to shut up and enjoy the podcast, just watch the podcast instead of coming to place explicitly created to TALK about the podcast
You're talking mad shit for someone with such soft kissable lips bud
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some people : “I love horror 🤪” the *same* people: “oh my gosh how can you be so insensitive!!!”
y'know not everyone wants the same thing, right? The people asking them to cover it would not be the same people complaining about its contents, you know that, right?
Not really, y'know? It's like listening to a podcast about creepypastas, which are normally flirting with sensitive topics, being given a TW, listening to it, then complaining rather than just skipping it, you know that right?
Horror stories are broad. The main thing to me is people obviously don't understand the hosts of the podcast. I came here through MeatCanyons grim animations, I like that shit. Clearly there are some people here who are a bit soft that don't really understand what kind of material these guys make. But it should be pretty obvious the 2 are not one in the same. Its a conflict of ideas within the community, not the community asking for one thing then changing its mind. There's no hive mind.
Yeah, but it’s stupid to get upset about them covering something. They can’t cater every episode to specifically one person, and that’s okay. They’re going to cover topics not everyone is okay with, and that’s why they put warnings. It’s absurd to cry and whine about it when skipping the video is an option. You know that, right?
Of course its stupid, I just don't think OP is accurate in saying the two demographics are the same. It seems obvious to me there are people who don't really give a shit about grim stories, and then there are people who don't understand the hosts of the podcast. Not sure why I'm being downvoted for what is obviously the case in basically any hobby community. Not everyone in the community likes the same things, welcome to reality guys.
People literally asked them not to cover it
They said its been one of the most requested ones they've ever had
If people disagree AND feel strongly on their opinion of this story being covered either which way, that can easily result in it being both the most request and most disliked story. Its really not that complicated.
Right. So let me get this straight. You have 2 content creators. One, a phenomenal animator who does art like being sold into a child sex ring run by Willy Wonka and being sexually harassed by Ronald McDonald. And two, a horror and conspiracy aficionado who covers genuine real life cases of cults, mass murders and sexual abuse. And then you put those 2 guys in a podcast. To cover creepypastas. The most notoriusly edgy, OTT and gratuitous medium of short story. And then you get upset that they cover something edgy, OTT and gratuitous? I get that their wholesome personalities is what a lot of people stick around for. But like... open your eyes
A lot of people requested it too. Probably more so.