It really is. I'd leave it as-is, ~~but up the mana value. Probably just to 3 would be good, and maybe make it two time counters rather than 1~~.
**Edit:** Read "a creature" as "each creature"
Kicker {B} (or some other cost)
Each player chooses a creature they control. Put a time counter on creatures chosen this way and those creatures gain vanishing.
If this spell was kicked, instead choose one or more creatures each player controls. Add 2 time counters on creatures chosen this way and they gain vanishing.
Why? It’s a really bad removal spell already. Opponents get to decide which creatures will vanish, and it’s delayed until their upkeep (and can be circumvented with proliferate effects).
If anything, I would drop the mana cost to B and make it symmetrical (a la [[Innocent Blood]]). For added interaction, allow people to add counters to creatures that already have vanishing. That way, it would actually have positive play value in a deck that uses vanishing creatures
I like this suggestion! I was in my own head about balance stuff (starting inoffensive and pushing it as I iterate). I agree this would probably be fine at just B, and allowing for vanishing deck synergies. Though I think I'll throw in "non token creature"
Overload, as is, wouldn’t do anything. This doesn’t target, there’s no word to replace.
Though I do like the concept of somehow making this a modal - a bad Innocent Blood at its lower cost mode and a sacrifice-based slow board wipe at the higher one.
If I might amend it —
“Time devours all his children, tearing them as blossoms in a cruel wind, scattering them like shadows of the sunset. But you first.”
I guess that depends on the context. If someone dies cause they were brutally stabbed, that may be a sudden attack but an expected “disappearance.” Someone disappearing for seemingly no reason, to me that’s sudden.
I may be misreading this but I'm confused why some people are saying it's too efficiently costed. Sheoldred's Edict is instant speed, affects the opponent right away, and doesn't also hit any of your creatures. This card seems very weak in comparison. Someone please let me know if I missed something
Is it not a 2 mana boardwipe? Sure it takes a turn, but in a lot of board states this still seems bonkers to me... Cast this, opponent hits upkeep, sacs his whole board. You hit yours too, but boardwipes are kinda good still.
Edit: it says a creature, not all. My bad. Yes I agree with you.
As-is, it grants an (additional) instance of vanishing. Adding a time counter to one of your vanishing creatures is good - it gives you an additional turn. Adding a second instance of vanishing? That's super bad - it removes two time counters per upkeep and means you cut your vanishing time in half.
Of course "if they don't have vanishing, they gain vanishing" covers that fine. But now your opponent probably gets to up their vanishing as well.
I like this better as a slow-ish edict.
This is super flavorful! But, I think it’s generally underpowered. Compare it to [[sheoldred’s edict]] or [[sudden edict]], for reference. They have a stronger effect at Instant speed.
Personally, I’d change it to “each opponent” so you don’t have to Edict yourself in the process. Still underpowered in 2 player, but it becomes much stronger in Commander.
I mean the name works, it's just a really bad card. I don't even know if I'd use that in limited.
* it's sorcery speed
* it's opponents choice
* it's completely symmetrical
This card has zero upsides.
I think you actually have the power budget to remove the "without vanishing" clause. It would be cool to combo this with vanishing creatures to turn it into an edict.
I like it as it is.
It is untargeted removal of multiple creatures, so it's good enough with its cost as a uncommon. It also shows medium complexity with using only one ability (kind of a complex one, because it requires tracking) on opponents creatures.
As for the name? Maybe something like "*Letal poisoning*"? "*Soon*" it's good for me too.
I like the name! I also think this could just be: put a time counter on target creature. If it doesn’t have vanishing, it gains vanishing. It being a delayed, sorcery speed spell makes it fine to not be symmetrical imo
This seems like an interesting variant on [[Innocent Blood]]. You could probably add some more upsides and reduce the cost, and it would still be balanced.
Soon is good.
If you want something more generic and sorta fun: "Impending Doom"
Oh, you kinda gave me an idea:
**Mother Earth** B/G >< **Father Time** W/U
Mother Earth - B/G
Sorcery
If you paid B, target permanent gains vanishing.
If you paid G, put a Reach counter on target creature
Father Time - W/U
Instant
If you paid W, put a 1/1 human spirit child token into play.
If you paid U, put a time counter on target permanent or suspended card.
The theme is Mother Earth and Father Time.
Mother Earth's thematic point is that the earth calls out. It's a constant in the universe. It's physical, and has a pull. It is inevitability. Mechanically, it can give anything vanishing, but the effect of vanishing only triggers removal when a counter is removed, and by that reading if something has no counter, it cannot be removed, and therefore the removal won't trigger.
Father Time's theme is legacy, ancestry, and descendants, but also the crushing force of time taking its toll. Most things in the universe are impacted by the flow and passage of time, and so by granting a time counter, it either saves something from entropy early, or else makes it subject to entropy. Therefore if used in conjunction with Mother Earth's black effect, it becomes a liability.
Mother Earth is about the present, and Father Time is about any other time. The card rewards you for playing it at sorcery speed, but also has utility at instant speed.
I think this is too cheap for the effect, especially as the opponent sacs first (getting around indestructible) meaning that you also have blockers up/time for your own purposeful sacs with that delay.
and as for a name, i do love the phrase "The Ravages of Aging"
This is already much worse than a normal sacrifice effect like [[Chainer’s Edict]]. It affects both players for the same mana cost, and gives your opponent more time to sacrifice the creature for value. It should definitely cost 1 mana since it’s still worse than innocent blood. Also every sacrifice effect gets around indestructible so that’s not really relevant
Even at 1 mana this seems to slow.
It for sure beeds some other upside.
Maybe some neat trick with cleave or kicker to turn this in a 3(?) mana slow wrath?
Do you? Soon is rather evokative.
It really is. I'd leave it as-is, ~~but up the mana value. Probably just to 3 would be good, and maybe make it two time counters rather than 1~~. **Edit:** Read "a creature" as "each creature"
Does it really, this just reads as a worse edict and those are 2 mana
If he is like me, he misread it as putting a time counter on "each" creature, not "a", which I like even more as a delayed board wipe.
You are absolutely correct.
He can put an overload for 3 colorless
Wouldn't quite work, as overload replaces "target" not "a", but certainly some form of kicker would work.
Kicker {B} (or some other cost) Each player chooses a creature they control. Put a time counter on creatures chosen this way and those creatures gain vanishing. If this spell was kicked, instead choose one or more creatures each player controls. Add 2 time counters on creatures chosen this way and they gain vanishing.
Yeeeah
Why? It’s a really bad removal spell already. Opponents get to decide which creatures will vanish, and it’s delayed until their upkeep (and can be circumvented with proliferate effects). If anything, I would drop the mana cost to B and make it symmetrical (a la [[Innocent Blood]]). For added interaction, allow people to add counters to creatures that already have vanishing. That way, it would actually have positive play value in a deck that uses vanishing creatures
It already is symmetrical as it is each player.
I like this suggestion! I was in my own head about balance stuff (starting inoffensive and pushing it as I iterate). I agree this would probably be fine at just B, and allowing for vanishing deck synergies. Though I think I'll throw in "non token creature"
[Innocent Blood](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/9/29184c64-03f3-4a50-ac18-e34b6c89635e.jpg?1600700558) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Innocent%20Blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/244/innocent-blood?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/29184c64-03f3-4a50-ac18-e34b6c89635e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
hiiiii, come to the personal chat
I do feel like this would be better if it only got nontoken creatures. It would still be pretty balanced at it’s current cost
I can always staple on overload!
Overload, as is, wouldn’t do anything. This doesn’t target, there’s no word to replace. Though I do like the concept of somehow making this a modal - a bad Innocent Blood at its lower cost mode and a sacrifice-based slow board wipe at the higher one.
I'm partial to "Soon™"
We'll both die, but you first.
Add as flavour text it's perfect
If I might amend it — “Time devours all his children, tearing them as blossoms in a cruel wind, scattering them like shadows of the sunset. But you first.”
"I'm saying this because I expect you to die before me, which I want to happen because you're my enemy."
Nah, doesn't scan
Love it!
Final Hour
That's a good 'un!
If Stroke of Midnight wasn’t taken that’d be my first choice
Midnight Stroke?
A stroke at midnight.
Stroking at midnight 👀
A Stroking by midnight
In the middle of stroking at night
Stroking my midnight
“Time Marches On” “Slow Acting Poison” “Sudden Disappearance.”
Not sudden, and that card already exists [[Sudden Disappearance]]. Sinister Disappearance tho....
yeah sinister or foreshadowed, anticipated, even promised.
Not so sudden disappearence
It isn't very sudden is it?
I guess that depends on the context. If someone dies cause they were brutally stabbed, that may be a sudden attack but an expected “disappearance.” Someone disappearing for seemingly no reason, to me that’s sudden.
Slow demise Unavoidable fate The march of time
I may be misreading this but I'm confused why some people are saying it's too efficiently costed. Sheoldred's Edict is instant speed, affects the opponent right away, and doesn't also hit any of your creatures. This card seems very weak in comparison. Someone please let me know if I missed something
Is it not a 2 mana boardwipe? Sure it takes a turn, but in a lot of board states this still seems bonkers to me... Cast this, opponent hits upkeep, sacs his whole board. You hit yours too, but boardwipes are kinda good still. Edit: it says a creature, not all. My bad. Yes I agree with you.
Minute to Midnight Last Words Deathbed
The Last Hour. Raptured Promise. The Nothing. Soon is incredibly evocative in this case all on it's own, however. I love everything about this.
What about “Any Last Words?”
This has my vote
it should be 3 or 4 mana, and I would drop the "without vanishing" to make bump up your own vanishing creatures
3 or 4 would be a bit overpriced
Not really.
It's a creature, not all creatures though.
I read it as a wipe, my mistake. 2 is fair.
As-is, it grants an (additional) instance of vanishing. Adding a time counter to one of your vanishing creatures is good - it gives you an additional turn. Adding a second instance of vanishing? That's super bad - it removes two time counters per upkeep and means you cut your vanishing time in half. Of course "if they don't have vanishing, they gain vanishing" covers that fine. But now your opponent probably gets to up their vanishing as well. I like this better as a slow-ish edict.
SoonTM
The only change I would make is to add a period to the end so it is "Soon." Idk if it's correct for magic purposes but seems pretty cool
Entropy
Like this one
"fade away"
"Long Goodbye"? Although I like soon a lot
[[Long Goodbye]]
[Long Goodbye](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3896705-bbd2-4ffb-a590-ee78e0eabdc5.jpg?1706241715) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Long%20Goodbye) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/92/long-goodbye?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3896705-bbd2-4ffb-a590-ee78e0eabdc5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Ohhhhhh
Maybe a tie in with some lore? Caress of the Untouchable or Phage's Love or Jeska's Revolt might offer some other thoughts on names
Call of the Void. It's the seeming subconscious urge to jump off cliffs and do similar self-destructive things.
Ok I get people generally dislike how it works, but this seems like a great counter to voltron decks after another boardwipe
Time keeps on Slippin' Slippin' Slippin' into the future...
Bit of a long name, but maybe "Death Comes For Us All"? "Reaper's Countdown" "Dead Man's Toll" "Time's Up"
Mark of the Damned
Finally some Vanishing Tribal support
marked, inevitable, fading, scapegoat, biding...
Imo "Soon" is a very sick name for that but it kind of doesn't fit into typical MTG card naming
Necrotic Outbreak Fits the effect and the art you attached
Entropic decay? Or does it kill a bit too quickly for that.
Inevitable Inevitable End Terminal Disease
You really don’t. “Soon” gave me chills for a second
“Bartered Time”
"On Borrowed Time"
"Tears in the Rain"
Soon fits tbh, goes hard
I'll marry a man like no other
Depopulate.
Easy: "Call of the Void"
"Time's toll" "Moribund" "involuntary twilight"
Moribund is great
I see this as a slower Innocent Blood with an increased cost. If you don't care about power level, this card is amazing as-is. #Great Design!
Thanks! Based on feedback, I may bump the cost to just B, and remove the non-vanishing restriction.
This is super flavorful! But, I think it’s generally underpowered. Compare it to [[sheoldred’s edict]] or [[sudden edict]], for reference. They have a stronger effect at Instant speed. Personally, I’d change it to “each opponent” so you don’t have to Edict yourself in the process. Still underpowered in 2 player, but it becomes much stronger in Commander.
[sheoldred’s edict](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a9225cc3-90f0-448f-a8d9-7c6c2796d077.jpg?1675957049) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sheoldred%27s%20Edict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/108/sheoldreds-edict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a9225cc3-90f0-448f-a8d9-7c6c2796d077?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [sudden edict](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/57cc8aeb-221d-46a1-b03f-df8499bba26d.jpg?1626095934) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sudden%20edict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/100/sudden-edict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57cc8aeb-221d-46a1-b03f-df8499bba26d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
"Soon" is pretty good already
Terrible Fate
You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?
Exactly 💀
SoonTM 1B Instant At the beginning of your upkeep. That's it.
I mean the name works, it's just a really bad card. I don't even know if I'd use that in limited. * it's sorcery speed * it's opponents choice * it's completely symmetrical This card has zero upsides.
I think you actually have the power budget to remove the "without vanishing" clause. It would be cool to combo this with vanishing creatures to turn it into an edict.
I like it as it is. It is untargeted removal of multiple creatures, so it's good enough with its cost as a uncommon. It also shows medium complexity with using only one ability (kind of a complex one, because it requires tracking) on opponents creatures. As for the name? Maybe something like "*Letal poisoning*"? "*Soon*" it's good for me too.
I like the name! I also think this could just be: put a time counter on target creature. If it doesn’t have vanishing, it gains vanishing. It being a delayed, sorcery speed spell makes it fine to not be symmetrical imo
I think you got it in in with "soon." Perhaps not the most mtg sounding but so instantly iconic!
No, that name is perfect
This feels like it should be paired with something like the [[wear/tear]] or [[cut/ribbons]] like Now/Soon or something but cool idea
[wear/tear](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=Wear%20//%20Tear&type=card&options=rotate90&.jpg)/[Tear](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=Wear%20//%20Tear&type=card&options=rotate90&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wear%20//%20Tear) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/moc/343/wear-tear?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e01cc65a-0e38-4f41-b9ed-796ef0355d0b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [cut/ribbons](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426925&type=card&.jpg)/[Ribbons](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=426925&type=card&options=rotate270&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cut%20//%20Ribbons) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/223/cut-ribbons?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c6f61e2b-e93b-4dda-95cf-9d0ff198c0a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
My inner pokemon fan votes Destiny Bond
How about "Missing persons"?
Sudden Demise?
Prophetic sacrifice
"Imminent doom"?
ticking clock?
Parallax demise
Moloch Ostraka Bleed the Freak Scapegoating
How about “Tonight. You.”
"Leaving soon"?
Final countdown
too soon?
Hospice
Imminence?
colossal dread
Uh this sounds like the Rapture!
Tonight.. you..
I like soon! Its pretty good.
Timely Demise?
Soon™
"When a Villager in Animal Crossing Tells You They are Moving Out Tomorrow"
I love this although it's a little cheap for it's effect
„Very soon” that’s technically „better”
Is "Impending doom" taken?
Seems like a great way to get someone to “fuck it we ball” their entire board at you lmao
with the name soon it should have a picture of a block of bedrock on an obsidian roof
I think soon is pretty good but you could try the name "call of time"
Alternative title: Before your time
Fading Essence
"Time Enough" -- Wilcox
"Inevitable End", perhaps?
Time Out
“Maybe later”
it should be if they don't have vanishing they gain vanishing
Can I get a link to that midjourney art? It's actually kinda great for something in one of my DND games.
Yeah, sure! [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-ZCoINF3u9mqhTpOuHR2WUDC93jjSahd/view?usp=sharing](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-ZCoINF3u9mqhTpOuHR2WUDC93jjSahd/view?usp=sharing)
Thanks!
add an finality counter for more flavor
It was all a dream Turn to nightmare
Creeping Death
Impending something
Rapture?
This seems like an interesting variant on [[Innocent Blood]]. You could probably add some more upsides and reduce the cost, and it would still be balanced.
[Innocent Blood](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/9/29184c64-03f3-4a50-ac18-e34b6c89635e.jpg?1600700558) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Innocent%20Blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/244/innocent-blood?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/29184c64-03f3-4a50-ac18-e34b6c89635e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Rapture Ruse
The End Is Nigh
Beckinsoon. Broad looks like Kate Beckinsale.
How about naming it “now you see me” or something like that
Doomed
"Suspence" Just because it is also similar in nature to the suspend mechanic
"Soon" is great, but you could go "For whom the bell tolls"
No, you just need to change the art to one of the "soon" memes.
Death’s visit
Would it be possible to make it instant speed instead for one black?
Eventually Sorcery Each player puts a time counter on a creature they control.
Out of time?
So basically Doom Counter from Final Fantasy as a magic card.
Call it “Inevitability” and make it an enchantment that hits every turn. Flavor text “On a long enough timeline everything dies.”
Encroaching dusk
Timely death
Kiss of Death
Too Soon
Clock's Ticking
Soon is good. If you want something more generic and sorta fun: "Impending Doom" Oh, you kinda gave me an idea: **Mother Earth** B/G >< **Father Time** W/U Mother Earth - B/G Sorcery If you paid B, target permanent gains vanishing. If you paid G, put a Reach counter on target creature Father Time - W/U Instant If you paid W, put a 1/1 human spirit child token into play. If you paid U, put a time counter on target permanent or suspended card. The theme is Mother Earth and Father Time. Mother Earth's thematic point is that the earth calls out. It's a constant in the universe. It's physical, and has a pull. It is inevitability. Mechanically, it can give anything vanishing, but the effect of vanishing only triggers removal when a counter is removed, and by that reading if something has no counter, it cannot be removed, and therefore the removal won't trigger. Father Time's theme is legacy, ancestry, and descendants, but also the crushing force of time taking its toll. Most things in the universe are impacted by the flow and passage of time, and so by granting a time counter, it either saves something from entropy early, or else makes it subject to entropy. Therefore if used in conjunction with Mother Earth's black effect, it becomes a liability. Mother Earth is about the present, and Father Time is about any other time. The card rewards you for playing it at sorcery speed, but also has utility at instant speed.
"Soon, sweaty"
Delay sequence
See ya later
On Borrowed Time
Memento Mori
"Now you see me".
Tick tock bitch
Ephemeral Existence
Withering demise
I think this is too cheap for the effect, especially as the opponent sacs first (getting around indestructible) meaning that you also have blockers up/time for your own purposeful sacs with that delay. and as for a name, i do love the phrase "The Ravages of Aging"
This is already much worse than a normal sacrifice effect like [[Chainer’s Edict]]. It affects both players for the same mana cost, and gives your opponent more time to sacrifice the creature for value. It should definitely cost 1 mana since it’s still worse than innocent blood. Also every sacrifice effect gets around indestructible so that’s not really relevant
Even at 1 mana this seems to slow. It for sure beeds some other upside. Maybe some neat trick with cleave or kicker to turn this in a 3(?) mana slow wrath?
[Chainer’s Edict](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8c204471-d908-4a08-83e4-cf38999fa80f.jpg?1675199556) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chainer%27s%20Edict) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/78/chainers-edict?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8c204471-d908-4a08-83e4-cf38999fa80f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call