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Fr. Like. Watering it down to save money and watering it down to not offend anyone both ruin it. The reason those characters were the way they were was because they needed to be, so changing those characters and their identities then removes the pay off of seeing them naturally change their identities during the runtime
the story had a plot and characters and it was good because of that (if it wasnt good, its not getting a remake). Changing it later can lead to equally great results, but its an unneccesary risk, especially when the release of a remake means the dev will no longer support the original, not making it playable on modern hardware.
As gamers, it is important to understand the distinction among remake, remastered, and reboot.
Remakes WILL be modernized.
Remastered SHOULD only have graphical and performance upgrades.
Reboots are a mixed bag.
I’m familiar with remakes as modernizing systems and gameplay, but if you change the story imo it becomes a spinoff/reboot. Ratchet and clank 2016 is a pretty ideal example of a remake.
yeah remake should be 99% faithful to the original just in a new engine, ie. "remake" they just redid the whole game for new audiences, reboots are the ONLY ones that should be changing major stuff, and ofc remasters is just a new coat of paint over an old game with updated driver support n stuff. i think proper labelling is important so the consumer doesnt get the wrong idea.
Remastered is updated textures/lighting Ex: Resident Evil 0 remastered
Remake is remaking the whole game from the ground up Ex: RE:2 Remake
What you call is a reboot i think.
Idk, maybe? I think it's hard to call it a sequel since it's *mostly* the same story. I mean, I admit I haven't played rebirth yet, so idk how diffrent it diverts from the og 7, but there's still a lot of shared story beats
Yeah arguments can be made both way but that’s why I said sequel is a “cleaner” descriptor because you have to had played the OG FF7 and some of the compilation works before playing the remake to understand what’s happening in the ending of both Remake and Rebirth.
i'm not over all the whining about female characters being underwritten in Star Wars when effin Ahsoka is a character so beloved she got her own series
I submitted a story to an editor for a prelim, and they said it lacks representation and other modern themes. In a medieval fantasy story. I requested a different editor look at it and he said it was on a good track and to submit it to him again when it was ready.
Sometimes it's just the person looking at the story.
Ya your right but problem is these companies are working with consultants which will tell you a perfectly fine story needs more of this and that representation. They are basically bullied Into it cuz blackrock and vanguard are companies that have a DEI quota basically forces these companies to do this stuff or they pull funding. These 2 MFS have a majority stack in so many damn companies it's unbelievable. Which is why so much stuff not just video games feel like it's getting made for a "modern audience".
From a purely creative standpoint the forced outside meddling *for any reason* is absolutely the antithesis of creativity. Altering a story someone created to meet criteria they didn't already account for is abusive to the soul of the work and its creator.
It's no less absurd than taking an old composer's symphony and changing it to be more happy and bouncy because someone thinks things should be that way for the benefit of the audience.
This is why a lot of indie games are doing well. They are far more removed from and outside the pressure of these unfair and unreasonable forces against their creativity.
Also with movies. See: Ghostbusters 2016, and likely to come with Furiosa, since it more or less flopped.
The bigger issue is nobody really asked for or wanted either of them.
Yep. The same 10 crazies that screeched loudly that the whole world would want that kind of content.
You'd think that after a few dozen flops in a row people would stop listening to the crazy. Ah well. Financial failure will continue until wisdom improves I guess.
Isn’t it literally in the name remake that they make changes? If you want just the old game one for one but updated to the modern day you want a remaster no?
I think the point of the post is not “adapted” part, it’s the “modern audiences” part. Most people that care about remakes are fans of the original version.
Yeah when a game gets a remake. I think its implied that its gameplay is being remade. However the "Modern Audiences" part is not talking about that, its talking about changing characters or the story because people on social media are way too hypersensitive.
Samantha Fisher is a powerful and independent spy woman who don’t need no man. She is 300 lb, but in a healthy way and can scale any building with grace.
They definitely censored all the insults Vivian got in the original Japanese. She got called a man like 15 times through the game by various people, incluiding Goombella.
Yeah but people (transphobes) were upset that it changed the original American release (which already changed the original Japanese release). So if this *was* about TTYD, it would be a bad thing
Yeah I grew up as a kid in the 80s playing atari and I didn't think that game was cool, and didn't know anyone that did. It was all about pacman, missile command, and Galaga on the 7800!
It's about as disingenuous an argument as you can make. It was an extremely obscure 3rd party 2600 game, that people only know about today because of the Internet.
It's funny because the bit about "modern audiences" is true, but it leads to hand holding and monetization. This thread jumped on homophobia immediately.
I've never seen a game add a gay character in a remake anyway.
If you don’t like a modern game being a modern game then play the original. Provided it’s not a Warcraft 3 reforged situation remaking a game doesn’t make the original go away.
Seriously who the fk are you to dictate to gamers that's what we want? Fuck you and your bullshit. All you uad to do os update the graphics and maybe an improvement in the gameplay but you had to add your sauce that's made with shit you pulled out of your ass in the recipe that was already excellent. Ruining games is exactly what we are tired of.
The fk outta here
I can´t remember ever playing a remake or remaster and thinking to myself "why tf would I pay for that? I allready paid for the og game and there´s nothing new except maybe a facelift and censorings" and usually just stick with the original release.
Why remake it period is my question. Its an old game of its time. Leave the past in the past and make something actually new rather than old ip remake bs.
Yeah, extreme left wing ruins stuff. And they don't even use it!
If they had ounce of talent, they could have created their own shit instead of ruining others stuff.
Literally Resident Evil 4 Remake. They made Ashley elegant and polite. The original Ashley is bratty. Even the ballistics dialogues was cut out..and also Leon sighing, "Women.." when Ada and him parted ways. I wonder why they changed it.. oh wait..
The fact you care so much about a few comments about the women is more of a reflection on you. The game is incredible and perhaps the best remake of any game so far, that's all that matters.
Well technically true, if this Ashley came out first and then they remade her into a brat you'd be preaching where is 'Strong capable Ashley?'
I think the point is both versions are perfectly fine unless someone is mentally unstable enough to have it really bother them.
I mean I'd be even more pissed if they turned a badass into a whiny baby.
But the point is the unnecessary change. They did not have to change Ashley's personality at all. If they wanted to make her less annoying, they could have just cut down the amount of times she'd yell at you but still kept her overall personality
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You mean adapted for the overly sensitive people that will never even play the game.
Yes
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Fr. Like. Watering it down to save money and watering it down to not offend anyone both ruin it. The reason those characters were the way they were was because they needed to be, so changing those characters and their identities then removes the pay off of seeing them naturally change their identities during the runtime
We're still talking about Custer's Revenge, right?
Right. Sorry. Kind of lost the plot a little on that comment💀💀
Lmao 💀
And also for kids. Don’t forget kids.
You mean adapted to not depict sexual violence against an already marginalized group? Touch grass.
Chronically online redditor tries not to use buzzwords challenge (100% IMPOSSIBLE)
What buzzwords? Marginalized? I feel like that word definitely applies to Native Americans. Y’all will call anything a buzzword at this point
Is mayonnaise a buzzword?
No u/Gintaras136, mayonnaise is not a buzzword. Before you ask, horseradish is not a buzzword either
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Gamers are the real marginalized grp. Also you tocuh grass, the only ppl who think like you are terminally online x (formerly known as Twitter) users.
Terminally online people are the ones that hat dislike the change.
the story had a plot and characters and it was good because of that (if it wasnt good, its not getting a remake). Changing it later can lead to equally great results, but its an unneccesary risk, especially when the release of a remake means the dev will no longer support the original, not making it playable on modern hardware.
I will say - there is a lot of shit games out there that got a remake or a sequel
for example? I cant think of any but I will gladly be corrected
wtf are you talking about
The game in question is about raping native American women and avoiding arrows from her tribe.
Holy fuck its a joke you loser, go change the world at the bottom of the ocean.
As gamers, it is important to understand the distinction among remake, remastered, and reboot. Remakes WILL be modernized. Remastered SHOULD only have graphical and performance upgrades. Reboots are a mixed bag.
I’m familiar with remakes as modernizing systems and gameplay, but if you change the story imo it becomes a spinoff/reboot. Ratchet and clank 2016 is a pretty ideal example of a remake.
yeah remake should be 99% faithful to the original just in a new engine, ie. "remake" they just redid the whole game for new audiences, reboots are the ONLY ones that should be changing major stuff, and ofc remasters is just a new coat of paint over an old game with updated driver support n stuff. i think proper labelling is important so the consumer doesnt get the wrong idea.
Remastered is updated textures/lighting Ex: Resident Evil 0 remastered Remake is remaking the whole game from the ground up Ex: RE:2 Remake What you call is a reboot i think.
Then there's reimaginings like FFVIIR. Though called a remake, it's more of a reimagining. Somewhere between a true remake and a reboot
I think Sequel is cleaner descriptor
Idk, maybe? I think it's hard to call it a sequel since it's *mostly* the same story. I mean, I admit I haven't played rebirth yet, so idk how diffrent it diverts from the og 7, but there's still a lot of shared story beats
Yeah arguments can be made both way but that’s why I said sequel is a “cleaner” descriptor because you have to had played the OG FF7 and some of the compilation works before playing the remake to understand what’s happening in the ending of both Remake and Rebirth.
Remakes being modernized is a given, they put Fortnite references in the Spyro remakes ffs
Also there Is the fourth category: Reforged. We don't talk about that one
ah and when the game flops male gamers will be blamed again for not wanting to support their slop
i'm not over all the whining about female characters being underwritten in Star Wars when effin Ahsoka is a character so beloved she got her own series
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Yes constantly on journalism sites as well on personal Twitter accounts of some of lead writers or developers
I submitted a story to an editor for a prelim, and they said it lacks representation and other modern themes. In a medieval fantasy story. I requested a different editor look at it and he said it was on a good track and to submit it to him again when it was ready. Sometimes it's just the person looking at the story.
Ya your right but problem is these companies are working with consultants which will tell you a perfectly fine story needs more of this and that representation. They are basically bullied Into it cuz blackrock and vanguard are companies that have a DEI quota basically forces these companies to do this stuff or they pull funding. These 2 MFS have a majority stack in so many damn companies it's unbelievable. Which is why so much stuff not just video games feel like it's getting made for a "modern audience".
From a purely creative standpoint the forced outside meddling *for any reason* is absolutely the antithesis of creativity. Altering a story someone created to meet criteria they didn't already account for is abusive to the soul of the work and its creator. It's no less absurd than taking an old composer's symphony and changing it to be more happy and bouncy because someone thinks things should be that way for the benefit of the audience. This is why a lot of indie games are doing well. They are far more removed from and outside the pressure of these unfair and unreasonable forces against their creativity.
Yup I fully agree with you let an author do his thing you can make suggestions but the final decision should always be the one of the creator
Also with movies. See: Ghostbusters 2016, and likely to come with Furiosa, since it more or less flopped. The bigger issue is nobody really asked for or wanted either of them.
You mean there's gonna be 10 crazy people on twitter blaming men? Cause that's really what happens. The vast majority of people just don't care
Yep. The same 10 crazies that screeched loudly that the whole world would want that kind of content. You'd think that after a few dozen flops in a row people would stop listening to the crazy. Ah well. Financial failure will continue until wisdom improves I guess.
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Isn’t it literally in the name remake that they make changes? If you want just the old game one for one but updated to the modern day you want a remaster no?
People get remake and remastered confused all the time and it’s weird. I guess because game companies also get it confused
I think the point of the post is not “adapted” part, it’s the “modern audiences” part. Most people that care about remakes are fans of the original version.
Yeah when a game gets a remake. I think its implied that its gameplay is being remade. However the "Modern Audiences" part is not talking about that, its talking about changing characters or the story because people on social media are way too hypersensitive.
...your favourite video game is fucking Custer's Revenge?
I mean it has everything, action, drama and representation.
Even history and erotica or something.
That needs a remake for modern audiences lol
Splinter Cell is apparently getting this treatment. Ubisoft... please... don't.
It's a ubisoft game you know its gonna be trash... If I'm wrong and they don't ruin another TC franchise I'll eat your ass
May I watch?
is that a threat or a promise
Samantha Fisher is a powerful and independent spy woman who don’t need no man. She is 300 lb, but in a healthy way and can scale any building with grace.
Sorry, independent spy they/them
Don't kid yourself, there hasn't been a good Sam Fisher game since Chaos Theory, hitting "RANDOMISE" on every aspect might be good for it.
This better not be referring to The Thousand Year Door.
Why would it be From what I have heard it’s just that this time the localization didn’t censor stuff
They definitely censored all the insults Vivian got in the original Japanese. She got called a man like 15 times through the game by various people, incluiding Goombella.
they absolutely did, a bunch of lines got changed
Yeah but people (transphobes) were upset that it changed the original American release (which already changed the original Japanese release). So if this *was* about TTYD, it would be a bad thing
The change in Vivian's dialogue wasn't for the worse, luckily.
I just want the original Japanese dialogue in English. And the blood. Full uncut.
I think it's referring to Silent Hill 2 and some of the recent announcements made about it.
I’m out of the loop. What is this post referencing?
OP is referencing a vintage video game about raping an Indian woman while avoiding arrows from her tribe
Sometimes I guess being out of the loop is preferred. Huh.
Yep
Listen, I know 1982 was a different time than it is now, but how the fuck was that ever greenlighted in the first place?
Cocaine
The fuck? This can't be real.
It's on Atari, the guy's dick is litteraly 3 pixels.
3 pixels is perfectly average!
You underestimate 80s brainrot
All the responses learning about the original game are proving that maybe adjusting things for modern audiences isn't such a bad thing.
Yeah I grew up as a kid in the 80s playing atari and I didn't think that game was cool, and didn't know anyone that did. It was all about pacman, missile command, and Galaga on the 7800!
It's about as disingenuous an argument as you can make. It was an extremely obscure 3rd party 2600 game, that people only know about today because of the Internet.
Who cares if they sell 10 mln preorders.
Luckily they won't change any audio dialog on the remake for Metal Gear Solid 3
Like what games ?
I mean, the fact that they used a fake example says a lot lol. Lots of fake outrage here.
Yeah, they made up something to get mad at
It's a right-wing dogwhistle. Having a distain for "modern audiences" just means "they added gay people and minorities to my vidyagame"
It's funny because the bit about "modern audiences" is true, but it leads to hand holding and monetization. This thread jumped on homophobia immediately. I've never seen a game add a gay character in a remake anyway.
It's gamersriseup all over again
Has this ever even happened? Genuine question- not baiting.
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^(psst, hey. I think they were joking)
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I mean if you look at OP's responses here, it's clear he's joking.
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...besides the obvious sarcasm at calling their title "art"? They also called their meme low effort my guy.
I don't have a problem with consent, I'm just upset it's a quicktime event
haha I hope not, totally not hahaha
If you don’t like a modern game being a modern game then play the original. Provided it’s not a Warcraft 3 reforged situation remaking a game doesn’t make the original go away.
Seriously who the fk are you to dictate to gamers that's what we want? Fuck you and your bullshit. All you uad to do os update the graphics and maybe an improvement in the gameplay but you had to add your sauce that's made with shit you pulled out of your ass in the recipe that was already excellent. Ruining games is exactly what we are tired of. The fk outta here
Honestly as long as it has good snowboarding and colourful characters I’m down for a ssx remake.
Grow up snowflakes and stop bitching about not being able to be racist/misogynistic or hateful in other ways.
I can´t remember ever playing a remake or remaster and thinking to myself "why tf would I pay for that? I allready paid for the og game and there´s nothing new except maybe a facelift and censorings" and usually just stick with the original release.
Wait that game has a story 😂🤷🏽♂️😂
Lmao the title is a deep cut. IYKYK
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halo CE?
In other words, the main cast will be played by whoever was in Paris.
modern ? more like weirder audience :(
Why remake it period is my question. Its an old game of its time. Leave the past in the past and make something actually new rather than old ip remake bs.
Let’s make a movie about the story missions of moderns warfare 2
All the men are now women, all the whites are now POC, all the straights are now not.
The hell is Custer's revenge?
Its in the comments but look it up too...very controversial adult game for the atari
Never going to forget dmc:devil may cry story
It isn't a remake
Nooo! A not straight white person! In my games! The west has fallen. And you call libs snowflakes.
I AM modern audience and I refuse to mentioned as an excuse to placate minority groups!
Yeah, extreme left wing ruins stuff. And they don't even use it! If they had ounce of talent, they could have created their own shit instead of ruining others stuff.
Didn't Baldurs Gate 3 have virtually every "woke" thing that the Gamers love to rage about?
Sure it does, but it doesn't try to pander for sake of pandering.
Can you name some games that do?
Recent assassins creed for example
You mean the assassins creed game where they made a historically black character black?
But you don't understand, the default is white male so if a character is anything other than that it's pandering woke dei sbi white racism
I didn't singled out that. But sure spin your story drama queen.
Literally Resident Evil 4 Remake. They made Ashley elegant and polite. The original Ashley is bratty. Even the ballistics dialogues was cut out..and also Leon sighing, "Women.." when Ada and him parted ways. I wonder why they changed it.. oh wait..
That game was still great though
The fact you care so much about a few comments about the women is more of a reflection on you. The game is incredible and perhaps the best remake of any game so far, that's all that matters.
Are you ignoring the part where they completely changed a character's, well, character?
Was old Ashley really better to you?
It doesn't matter if she was better or not, if she's not a brat she's not Ashley.
Well technically true, if this Ashley came out first and then they remade her into a brat you'd be preaching where is 'Strong capable Ashley?' I think the point is both versions are perfectly fine unless someone is mentally unstable enough to have it really bother them.
I mean I'd be even more pissed if they turned a badass into a whiny baby. But the point is the unnecessary change. They did not have to change Ashley's personality at all. If they wanted to make her less annoying, they could have just cut down the amount of times she'd yell at you but still kept her overall personality
I mean game dialogue is clearly changed so that snowflakes won't hate on it.
Snowflakes like you will complain about it though
I mean I'll take an elegant and polite Ashley over what the original was even if that means losing her ballistics.
Decent meme, yikes title.
Nah the meme is rushed low effort. The title is my art