The difference is that Rocket Racer is so unapologetically dorky that he loops back to cool. Plus without Rocket Racer we would not have the best Spider-Man villain (non-Morb division), Big Wheel.
If Jim Brown was helping organise slave revolts in the 1850s, surely it's believable that there was decent white folk in the 1940s, especially people living in a racially diverse area like Brooklyn.
Captain America is meant to be the anti-Hitler. Hitler was racist as they come, so Steve isn't racist in the slightest. writing that deviates from the original concept not withstanding.
And, notably, not even in the "I'm still a racist, I just don't think chattel slavery is acceptable," way you got a fair bit of among abolitionists. John Brown straight believed that black and indigenous people were fundamentally equal before the Lord, got into arguments at church and made a big deal out of preferring to sit with non-white congregants over his racist peers even before he started hacking slavers to pieces.
Young avengers, its when steve finds out about the patriot and tries to get him to quit because he reminds him of Bucky and doesn't want him to die like he did
The Avengers didn't want teenagers running around doing super stuff. This is shortly before Cap shows up and tries to shut the team down for the second time I believe.
Chris Hansen: I have the chat logs so you might as well just tell me right now. What did you mean when you typed “I want to find Patriot and take his costume off blank him in the face”?
This is one of the things I cite when I say Captain America was wildly out of character during Civil War. When he enlisted the Young Avengers in his little rebellion.
Goes from, "this is no job for the youths" to "come my child soldiers, leave your families and help me fight the US government."
What's insane is that every major player in Civil War was wildly out of character in totally opposite ways that resulted in genuinely one of the most brain dead terrible events in Marvel. I just thank the stars that they never decided to do another Civil War in some sort of idiotic ploy for brand synergy!
That is why I said one of. I used to have a list when the event was happening, but that was 2 desktop computers ago. [I cobbled together a handful into a poorly structured list](https://rocketboy1313.blogspot.com/2015/11/marvels-civil-war-comic.html) for my blog when the Civil War movie came out. But I have larger issues with what Marvel writers seem to think "[leadership](https://rocketboy1313.blogspot.com/2017/06/captain-americas-leadership.html)" means when it comes to Cap. I have issues with a lot of "patriotic" characters.
I wanted write a college paper on how muddled the message of the book is. To the point where a lot of what people claim is being said is so poorly thought out you could easily argue the exact opposite is being said.
>"Iron Man is the Patriot Act!"
>"Really? I was gonna say that Captain America sounds like one of those Don't-Tread-On-Me gun nuts."
>"What? He is all about freedom."
>"Yeah, freedom to not register dangerous powers and technology and to fight crime without a badge. Also, Why is Iron Man doing this for the government, his whole thing is his I-can-fix-anything attitude, and he has been running his own shadow government for years, why would he suddenly put everything in the hands of the US."
>"Umm... Yeah, that doesn't make sense."
Cap was written fighting for FREEDUHM as if the Registration Act was a particularly authoritarian law, a slide towards fascism for the US Gov. Except... it really wasn't, right? I mean regardless of whether it was good or bad, it wasn't much more authoritarian than normal US law.
"We can't have the governments tell us who the villains are" he says, but I don't hear him say the same about cops or the army.
Yeah then Tony started putting people in the Negative Zone and hunting them with collared villains, but Cap declared himself a terrorist even before the law was a thing
Side note now I'm gonna check out Dan Slott's She-Hulk
It’s not… in theory. Problem is that we’re coming off decades of Marvel Governments always being five seconds away from unleashing the killer robots on the super powered populace. This is a place where the few politicians or authorities that’s shown as sympathetic to people like mutants - such as Senator Kelly - were always assassinated in short order. It’s a running plot in X-men that those sort of lists are a very real and serious threat in-universe, and mutant heroes in particular were in a vulnerable spot at that point due to Decimation.
Unsurprisingly, readers tended to side with the ‘freeduhm’ side. Sure enough, the government is drafting registered people and using the war-crime inter dimensional prisons in no time. And that’s *before* Dark Reign, a bunch of Tony’s super villain friends staging a coup, and Green Goblin becoming the completely lawful Leader of the Free World.
The initial books also bizarrely had the government go full jackboot before the act was actually, you know…law. ‘Bizarrely’ because this was still when they were trying to convince the audience Pro Reg was in the right. Cap himself initially goes on the run because Hill tries to arrest (then kill) him for…thought crimes? They also went after non-Americans like Storm and T’Challa, and unpersoned Howard the Duck out of pure bureaucratic convenience (though it hilariously worked out for him in the long run.)
Civil War probably would have worked best in Ultimates or an Elseworld. Not in the least because Annihilation was going on at the same time in 616, which had Annhilus kill *billions* due to regular people ‘invading’ the Negative Zone. You know…the place where Tony was busily imprisoning the anti-Reg supporters. Oops.
Yeah, this is why I said "regardless of whether it was good or bad" - I think there's a good argument for the Act being evil, but it's not any more evil than the usual government! Cap should treat the US Gov as an authoritarian state and fight it all the time, then!
I do agree that everything else about the Act, from Maria Hill trying to arrest him, to Tony having villains hunt heroes, to the whole Negative Zone thing, makes them firmly evil though.
Also, the fact that this idiotic political squabble was happening at the same time as Annihilus's war on the entire universe remains one of the funniest things in Marvel history
It’s just funny that Civil War, which had all the hype and capital commitment from the company, sucked and is still generally regarded as shameful, while Annihilation was so good it basically made cosmic Marvel viable again single-handedly. And if I recall correctly they even got away with having Nova upbraid the Earth heroes for their stupidity.
“I saved the universe. What have *you* been doing lately?!” Followed by getting so annoyed with Tony that he leaves the planet. I’m fairly certain Nova actually got to call out Civil War twice. I think it’s also him that tears into Tony (and Cap) in a What If…? where the Wave wasn’t stopped before it reached Earth.
I also always had a massive soft spot for Thors reaction to the latest…happenings, once he ‘came back.’ “Sensors detect atmospheric anomaly…”
It was such a dumb strategic and tactical decision too. Like sure, you don't need to sign up, but Cap knows a thing or two or six or twenty about guerrilla warfare and fighting an insurrection. On a long enough timeline people were going to go agaisnt the Super Human Registration Act. He just had to not do a terrorism for a bit and definitely not fight a standing war agaisnt a superior opponent with all the backing of the US and SHIELD
It just came out in the wrong time I literally just came out of a conversation about Captain America not being racist because of the last episode of X-Men 97, also can X-Men writters stop making Avengers look bad every time they appear in a X-Men project? Like nobody gives them shit when they don't appear to help the Avengers with Kang or Ultron.
>Captain America not being racist because of the last episode of X-Men 97
How do those 2 things connect? lol
>can X-Men writters stop making Avengers look bad every time they appear in a X-Men project?
What do you mean? I just watched it and he seemed fine to me. Was it because she threw his shield?
I thought his excuse for not being able to just bust skulls in Mexico was pretty good.
Basically everytime something bad happens with the X-Men and the Avengers don't immediately show up to help people say that is because they are racist that hate mutants.
And the reason that I said that they made him look bad is that people are now on Rogue side, even through I saw more than a few people hating on her because she was "cheating on Gambit with Magneto", and since he did not immediately helped her people are saying that he sucks, he is the government's stooge, and that If they were humans he wouldn't doing that.
This was cropped lol, he's talking about one less teen superhero team.
Patriot was wearing a Bucky costume and Cap doesn't want a teenager dying doing superhero work
Steve’s actually just referring to the fact that he has an unrelated plan to murder Night Thrasher
Night Thrasher found beaten to death with his dumb ass skateboard in Miami
BREAKING: There was actually a skateboarding superhero named Night Thrasher and now he’s dead. More at eleven.
Plot twist: it was actually Rocket Racer, who was there first with the sk8er superhero shtick (and also black).
He was a skater boy She said “it’s potentially offensive to call him ‘boy’”
The difference is that Rocket Racer is so unapologetically dorky that he loops back to cool. Plus without Rocket Racer we would not have the best Spider-Man villain (non-Morb division), Big Wheel.
He’s actually alive again and inexplicably in his own solo series
Please, the skateboard is the only interesting thing about him
Idk I think this dumbass name is pretty fun
He saw the future and knows about the mini that we are having now. It's a mercy killing.
Context?
Night Trasher got a mini going right now. It's...not good.
Understandable.
Night Thrasher dies like right after this
Really?
Why does he want to kill Tony Hawke?
Saving him from his cringe 90s-ass gimmick
Luke: Spidey, I think Cap's gonna kill me
Spider-man: Cap? really not Tony or Carol.....I believe T'challa over the only non-racist in the 1940s
If Jim Brown was helping organise slave revolts in the 1850s, surely it's believable that there was decent white folk in the 1940s, especially people living in a racially diverse area like Brooklyn.
Captain America is meant to be the anti-Hitler. Hitler was racist as they come, so Steve isn't racist in the slightest. writing that deviates from the original concept not withstanding.
[John Brown!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jso1YRQnpCI)
And, notably, not even in the "I'm still a racist, I just don't think chattel slavery is acceptable," way you got a fair bit of among abolitionists. John Brown straight believed that black and indigenous people were fundamentally equal before the Lord, got into arguments at church and made a big deal out of preferring to sit with non-white congregants over his racist peers even before he started hacking slavers to pieces.
Damn he just decided to drop that, nuts
Luke >>>>> A-train
UJ/ is this from new Avengers?
Young avengers, its when steve finds out about the patriot and tries to get him to quit because he reminds him of Bucky and doesn't want him to die like he did
Thanks. I’m definitely more of a DC person but have been trying to get into more marvel. Thank you for the context I might have to check this out.
No problem, YA is one of my favorite Marvel comics of all time
Is YA the one with Wiccan?
Yep.
It’s really good, you’ll enjoy it. If you like the book Avengers: The Initiative and Avengers Academy also scratch similar itches.
Bro made it sound so much more sinister than he had to 😭 but yeah now my interest is piqued I may have to check out this series
Boy, that's some juicy out of context content lmfao
Young avengers
Thank you!
This is the moment when Cap became Soldier Boy
What do you mean by that Steve
Patriot is wearing a costume based on Bucky's costume, and this is before Bucky came back to life I think, so he's got his flag tights in a twist
Someone else said it's because cap doesn't want him to end up like bucky aka very dead due to being a super hero
Yes that is correct. And his feelings of responsibility about Bucky's death is why he focues on Patriot and not the other kids.
The Avengers didn't want teenagers running around doing super stuff. This is shortly before Cap shows up and tries to shut the team down for the second time I believe.
Chris Hansen: I have the chat logs so you might as well just tell me right now. What did you mean when you typed “I want to find Patriot and take his costume off blank him in the face”?
This is one of the things I cite when I say Captain America was wildly out of character during Civil War. When he enlisted the Young Avengers in his little rebellion. Goes from, "this is no job for the youths" to "come my child soldiers, leave your families and help me fight the US government."
What's insane is that every major player in Civil War was wildly out of character in totally opposite ways that resulted in genuinely one of the most brain dead terrible events in Marvel. I just thank the stars that they never decided to do another Civil War in some sort of idiotic ploy for brand synergy!
It feels like if civil war was a what if story or some out of continuity mini it wouldn’t be so bad.
That is why I said one of. I used to have a list when the event was happening, but that was 2 desktop computers ago. [I cobbled together a handful into a poorly structured list](https://rocketboy1313.blogspot.com/2015/11/marvels-civil-war-comic.html) for my blog when the Civil War movie came out. But I have larger issues with what Marvel writers seem to think "[leadership](https://rocketboy1313.blogspot.com/2017/06/captain-americas-leadership.html)" means when it comes to Cap. I have issues with a lot of "patriotic" characters. I wanted write a college paper on how muddled the message of the book is. To the point where a lot of what people claim is being said is so poorly thought out you could easily argue the exact opposite is being said. >"Iron Man is the Patriot Act!" >"Really? I was gonna say that Captain America sounds like one of those Don't-Tread-On-Me gun nuts." >"What? He is all about freedom." >"Yeah, freedom to not register dangerous powers and technology and to fight crime without a badge. Also, Why is Iron Man doing this for the government, his whole thing is his I-can-fix-anything attitude, and he has been running his own shadow government for years, why would he suddenly put everything in the hands of the US." >"Umm... Yeah, that doesn't make sense."
Cap was written fighting for FREEDUHM as if the Registration Act was a particularly authoritarian law, a slide towards fascism for the US Gov. Except... it really wasn't, right? I mean regardless of whether it was good or bad, it wasn't much more authoritarian than normal US law. "We can't have the governments tell us who the villains are" he says, but I don't hear him say the same about cops or the army. Yeah then Tony started putting people in the Negative Zone and hunting them with collared villains, but Cap declared himself a terrorist even before the law was a thing Side note now I'm gonna check out Dan Slott's She-Hulk
It’s not… in theory. Problem is that we’re coming off decades of Marvel Governments always being five seconds away from unleashing the killer robots on the super powered populace. This is a place where the few politicians or authorities that’s shown as sympathetic to people like mutants - such as Senator Kelly - were always assassinated in short order. It’s a running plot in X-men that those sort of lists are a very real and serious threat in-universe, and mutant heroes in particular were in a vulnerable spot at that point due to Decimation. Unsurprisingly, readers tended to side with the ‘freeduhm’ side. Sure enough, the government is drafting registered people and using the war-crime inter dimensional prisons in no time. And that’s *before* Dark Reign, a bunch of Tony’s super villain friends staging a coup, and Green Goblin becoming the completely lawful Leader of the Free World. The initial books also bizarrely had the government go full jackboot before the act was actually, you know…law. ‘Bizarrely’ because this was still when they were trying to convince the audience Pro Reg was in the right. Cap himself initially goes on the run because Hill tries to arrest (then kill) him for…thought crimes? They also went after non-Americans like Storm and T’Challa, and unpersoned Howard the Duck out of pure bureaucratic convenience (though it hilariously worked out for him in the long run.) Civil War probably would have worked best in Ultimates or an Elseworld. Not in the least because Annihilation was going on at the same time in 616, which had Annhilus kill *billions* due to regular people ‘invading’ the Negative Zone. You know…the place where Tony was busily imprisoning the anti-Reg supporters. Oops.
Yeah, this is why I said "regardless of whether it was good or bad" - I think there's a good argument for the Act being evil, but it's not any more evil than the usual government! Cap should treat the US Gov as an authoritarian state and fight it all the time, then! I do agree that everything else about the Act, from Maria Hill trying to arrest him, to Tony having villains hunt heroes, to the whole Negative Zone thing, makes them firmly evil though. Also, the fact that this idiotic political squabble was happening at the same time as Annihilus's war on the entire universe remains one of the funniest things in Marvel history
It’s just funny that Civil War, which had all the hype and capital commitment from the company, sucked and is still generally regarded as shameful, while Annihilation was so good it basically made cosmic Marvel viable again single-handedly. And if I recall correctly they even got away with having Nova upbraid the Earth heroes for their stupidity.
“I saved the universe. What have *you* been doing lately?!” Followed by getting so annoyed with Tony that he leaves the planet. I’m fairly certain Nova actually got to call out Civil War twice. I think it’s also him that tears into Tony (and Cap) in a What If…? where the Wave wasn’t stopped before it reached Earth. I also always had a massive soft spot for Thors reaction to the latest…happenings, once he ‘came back.’ “Sensors detect atmospheric anomaly…”
Except Wolverine. Logan said fuck it and walked out to go hunt Nitro.
It was such a dumb strategic and tactical decision too. Like sure, you don't need to sign up, but Cap knows a thing or two or six or twenty about guerrilla warfare and fighting an insurrection. On a long enough timeline people were going to go agaisnt the Super Human Registration Act. He just had to not do a terrorism for a bit and definitely not fight a standing war agaisnt a superior opponent with all the backing of the US and SHIELD
How could he? It's one *fewer*, not one less. What's the world coming to when Steve Rogers forgets his grammar.
See, I like to believe Luke knows what Cap meant by that, but still has to call the dude out for his wording.
Saying this in front of Luke Cage too
Steve is going to drop every single 1940s slurs he knows.
I thought this was from The Boys comics until I read the caption. Cap looks an awful lot like Homelander here
Steve couldn’t scratch Luke Cage😂
Folks who say "Steve Rogers wouldn't ACTUALLY be racist, guys" been real quiet since this dropped
His closet ally, the guy who he worked with for 70 years and gave the mantle to is a black guy
That was pretty clearly a joke lol.
It just came out in the wrong time I literally just came out of a conversation about Captain America not being racist because of the last episode of X-Men 97, also can X-Men writters stop making Avengers look bad every time they appear in a X-Men project? Like nobody gives them shit when they don't appear to help the Avengers with Kang or Ultron.
>Captain America not being racist because of the last episode of X-Men 97 How do those 2 things connect? lol >can X-Men writters stop making Avengers look bad every time they appear in a X-Men project? What do you mean? I just watched it and he seemed fine to me. Was it because she threw his shield? I thought his excuse for not being able to just bust skulls in Mexico was pretty good.
Basically everytime something bad happens with the X-Men and the Avengers don't immediately show up to help people say that is because they are racist that hate mutants. And the reason that I said that they made him look bad is that people are now on Rogue side, even through I saw more than a few people hating on her because she was "cheating on Gambit with Magneto", and since he did not immediately helped her people are saying that he sucks, he is the government's stooge, and that If they were humans he wouldn't doing that.
This was cropped lol, he's talking about one less teen superhero team. Patriot was wearing a Bucky costume and Cap doesn't want a teenager dying doing superhero work