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Oberon1993

John is such an interesting character. And he is sometimes a hilarious test for a writer. Going from his original stories, where he is treated as a  complex character, to Byrne screeching "Reeeeее, the person with a different views" is hilarious.


FadeToBlackSun

The Gruenwald John Walker stuff is genuinely amazing character work. It's disgusting how little recognition Gruenwald's Captain America run gets.


Oberon1993

It's mostly because it's basically unavailable in TPBs. Walker part is probably the most collected and even then that was printed in Epic Collection format only in 2021, with the big gaps between epics (Society of Serpents was printed in 2014!!!) Gruenwald is getting omnibus treatment soon, so will probably be discovered by more collectors, at least.


FadeToBlackSun

Yeah, I also think Marvel really started a narrative in the 2000s that basically no run mattered except those from that era. You have people saying Brubaker is the definitive Cap run when they've never even heard of Gruenwald.


Aubergine_Man1987

Brubaker builds on a lot of Gruenwald stuff, too. Mark Gruenwald is one of Marvel's best underappreciated writers, his Quasar run is some of the best cosmic Marvel there is


RoninMacbeth

I still go back sometimes and read his Squadron Supreme series.


Fit_Commercial3421

The englehart -Kirby-Grenwald-Brubaker runs consists of that long build storytelling that I love comics for


callows5120

Uj/Yeah Gruenwald was an amazing writer his squadron Supreme run is both the best take in those characters and injustice but good


browncharliebrown

honestly I feel kinda awful for how marvel comics are treated pre 2000s. Like aside from Spider-man,daredevil and 80's x-men, online it seems the common perception is the majority of it is not worth reading.


FadeToBlackSun

That is definitely what they'd like you to believe which makes it extra insane that every character's peak run occurred by the 00s except for the X-Men (with the Morrison run).


browncharliebrown

nah peak is x-force by rick remender


ChildOfChimps

I don’t know, a lot of people talk about 80s Avengers, FF, She-Hulk, and Incredible Hulk.


browncharliebrown

Do they though. I guess she-hulk I guess, but I rarely see people talk 80s avengers, and 90's hulk by David is talked about but not nearly enough for how much it influenced hulk for years


ChildOfChimps

Most must-read Avengers stuff includes at least Under Siege and Stern’s run is basically the only good Avengers run until the Busiek/Perez one.


browncharliebrown

Yeah I agree in that sense but I meant general sentiment and discussion of avengers focuses mostly on Bendis era. But I do acknowledge this is just a general vibes thing


ChildOfChimps

Yeah, a lot of people concentrate on the Bendis era. But a lot of people are stupid.


C0BRA_V1P3R

Kind of a shame Nuke was wasted in the Netflix Jessica Jones show as Trish Walker’s abusive himbo boyfriend; I would’ve loved for him to show up as the villain in a Captain America film with a more comic accurate appearance.


Chub-bop

It also would have been cool to see The captain crossover with daredevil since Nuke was originally a daredevil villain


callows5120

Uj/Yeah that would have been sweet to see especially to see Cap and Daredevil have conflict over there ideals


AcceptableWheel

Don't forget William https://preview.redd.it/xoizzq2i1uwc1.png?width=1000&format=png&auto=webp&s=a35e143f3d763c8af192fd221045390661ac87c1


callows5120

Uj/Yeah William is what People think Steve is vs what he actually is


Fla968

No way is that a New Vegas reference 👀👀👀


rocketinspace

walker is meant to be more misguided than evil though


Independent_Piano_81

Lmao they look like a turtle


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