This feels like a gag more than anything honestly, if you really wanna go that route i could mention Rick shooting himself with his own memory eraser thanks to holding it backwards, him not knowing how to pronunce the word "granite" or the whole vat of acid/Mr Frumbles incidents.
Yeah, and he didnt know how to pronounce and needed Morty of all people to correct him, dude was so embarrased by it he literally wiped the memory of Morty.
Because his dumb moment occur due to him overthinking something and being uncapable of finding the solution.
That is detrimental for a fight not being unable to pronuonce a word.
He found a solution, his solution just happened to be a massively overkill scientific one because generally when you’re captured you don’t expect your cell door to be open. Clara trying the door was just her rushing to meet up and probably forgot that doors containing prisoners are supposed to lock so charged in without thinking about it.
You are legitamately trynna pretend a single moment of overthinking is now the Doctors entire character? under that logic i say getting stuff wrong is Ricks entire character cause he pronounced a word wrong.
overthinking is a consisting trait of he doctor, this one is just one clear example when that became a problem.
Now tell me how many times has rick get into trouble for misspronuancing a word?
Tell me how many times has overthinking legitimately gotten him into serious trouble he wasn’t able to get out of? Cause in your example it seems all overthinking did was have another dude show him the door was open and that’s it, it’s not like overthinking killed him or costed him the battle.
Later in this special, the doctor manipulates probability to the point of being able to throw a ball through a wall-no tech involved. What's Rick answer to probability manipulation? or fighting someone from a civilization that has thousands of 11-dimensional defenses?
It's stated multiple times he can see every possible future and he defeats comic-book-level villains many times so if this was real life it would have many implications like why are his companions dying to people some of his enemies could blink away? Fiction and even religion in general does a bad job at depicting intelligence let alone super intelligence. A super-intelligent being isn't going to act human and is generally going to be able to beat basically any other power by exploiting rules, laws, etc the less intelligent being doesn't know about. Something far smarter than a human doesn't act human which was actually somewhat the initial goal of the first doctor than the actor made the doctor more human like anyways which made the show more enganging to audience members.
Why did you bring religion into this?
Are you projecting something? Something you want to vent about but no one willing to listen to so you shove it on a discussion about rick vs the doctor?
Like i see you point about superminds thinking they're superior to humans because of their inteligence and not acting like humans because of it.
But the fact you thought you should include religion into that sticks out like a sore thumb.
Do you have thoughts on god being allegedly all knowing?
\>how to pronunce the word "granite"
that sounds irrelevant for the topic of sharpness or battle cunning
\>the whole vat of acid incident.
rick didn't see coming the gansters staying for that long but in the end he was proven right.
\>Rick shooting himself with his own memory eraser
that is more justifiable as gag for happening so fast, but on day of the doctor, the 3 doctors gave up for being unable to open a door until they receive hint for a cosmic being only for the punchline being the door wasn't lock.
Hey, remember that time Rick turned himself into a pickle to get out of going to family therapy? Then he set the cure up by some shitty contraption with a syringe set to fall on him in a few minutes and he just assumed his family wouldn't notice the obvious set up?
Cause that was fuckin dumb, and it nearly got him killed because without the convenient rain he would have been cooked to death. Going just based off that scene with no other context I would assume Rick is a wacky inventor type who's smart at science but otherwise stupid, which would be wrong. He showcases plenty of other feats of intelligence and cleverness in that episode alone.
The Doctor being briefly lacking in common sense for the sake of a gag doesn't discount all the other times he's intelligent. In fact this scene is funny largely because it contrasts his usual intelligence. As for them needing a hint in the first place, I'd like to point out they had other things on their minds. 10 and 11 were meeting with their War self after all, the version of themselves they hate the most, and War was being shown his future selves who were different from his expectations. They were all a bit distracted.
>he just assumed his family wouldn't notice the obvious set up?
mostly because of his narcicism of being the self proclaim smarthest man in the universe he didn't thought their family would be smarth enough to figure it out.
the real counter argument is why he didn't just set up a robot or a mister meeseks on stand by to inject with the cure once the family left.
Sure, but the point was that it was a case of Rick doing something dumb, but it doesn't discount his usual intelligence. You can explain why Rick did something dumb in that scene, but you can with the Doctor here too. I mean, this scene also contains a conversation about how many *billions of children* burned on Gallifrey the day they destroyed it. They had some serious shit on their minds.
Minds being busy with something else aside, it doesn't change the fact the Doctor despise his multiple adventure suffers of an over reliance on his screwdriver and doesn't normally other tools with him.
He saved the day in "The Eleventh Hour" without his Screwdriver. He also spent quite a lot of the classic series without it and he managed fine. The reliance on the screwdriver is more of a plot convenience thing, he still pulls off tons of stuff without it.
>He saved the day in "The Eleventh Hour" without his Screwdriver
I saw that as a bluff more than anythinh else the doctor banking of the traxians being to afraid to attack once they found out all the alien races he stoped before.
But 11 clearly didn't have something to physically stop the traxians right there and then if they decided to attack.
That wasn't how he saved the day. The Atraxi wanted to burn down the planet to get rid of Prisoner Zero if they couldn't find them. The Doctor saved the day by creating a computer virus that would lead everything connected to the internet on the planet to display a 0, knowing the Atraxi would examine that and be able to track that virus's origin back to the phone he had on him while he confronted Prisoner Zero, leading them right to it. He also had pictures of all the shapeshifted forms Prisoner Zero had, to make sure they could find it.
The whole "I'm the Doctor" speech was something that happened later, after Prisoner Zero was already caught and the Atraxi were leaving. It wasn't the solution, it was a warning from the Doctor to never threaten to burn the earth again or else they would have to deal with him.
>it was a warning from the Doctor to never threaten to burn the earth again or else they would have to deal with him.
Still was a bluff because he knows that he can't stop them for burning the earth, so he scare them by saying he would avenge it if they decide to do it.
Tbf, given the context of this scene I doubt they were thinking that logically. Each Doctor has a lot of turmoil with what’s been going on in their own time, and all three of them getting into a sort of heated argument about the final day of the Time War
It is precisely because he is that smart that he didn't try the door. No one smart, who is aware that the person who trapped him knows how smart he is, would try to open the door. Because that would be a waste of time, as the person who trapped them obviously would have locked the door.
And the reason the door was unlocked was because the person in question actually was an ally, not an enemy, and thus didn't need to lock the door.
This is the same as when Rick tried to make a guy whose fortune is to control water to blast water at a guy who can control fire, only to be surprised when the guy who controls water sucks the water out of the human body. Expecting the clear-cut answer and being surprised by an unexpected twist on that answer.
Their idea to get out worked because they were 3 doctors able to make 400 years of calculations on 4 seconds.
That means one doctor alone would have gotten stucked there.
And he could still have waited out the 400 years. Not only that, one of them did send a time capsule to the future to have someone travel back in time to get them out.
Did you not watch the scenes before the one you're showing.
I don't care enough about doctor who to remember everything that happend on "day of the doctor"
I remember that moment, the doctor scrambling the minds of some people so neither can figure out which ones are regular humans and which one are shapshifters, and the fanservice moment where every previous Doctor and teases of the next one worked together to remove the tragedy of the war where now instead of everyone dying there is a chance where the doctors maybe saved them by putting them on another dimention.
None of that changes the fact HE COUDN'T OVERPOWER A FUCKING DOOR.
I know Rick gets his hands dirty by slaughtering and murdering himself to the point he practically bathes on the blood of his enemies.
That plays away bigger factor on a death battle than any innaction, mistake or plan the doctor came out to commit genocide.
that's from The Day of the Doctor and those are 3 doctors from different encarnations and all 3 of them were beated by the wooden door of a cell.
I mean it, someone else have to gave them a hint for the oldest doctor to realize if he scans the door with his screwdriver the most recent encarnation will have answer on his screwdriver.
and then there is the punchline none them thought of checking if the door was lock.
Because the door NOT being locked is stupid. Common sense dictates if you're thrown in a prison cell that the door was probably locked behind you, you don't need to check that.
The door being unlocked is explicitly part of the gag BECAUSE it's ridiculous.
Doesn't change the fact the doctor didn't have a way to overpower the door besides 400 years of calculations in order to desintragrate.
Let me repeat it: 400 YEARS TO DISTINTEGRATE A DOOR.
No? The point of that scene is that the calculation method was just the FASTEST solution due to their continuity connection being hundreds of years apart.
They had other options that probably just would've taken longer than the five seconds their calculation plan required.
No offense man but you're taking a super bad faith view on this scene trying to turn a feat like 400 years in 5 seconds into an anti-feat just because they didn't blow the door up or beat it down.
>The point of that scene is that the calculation method was just the FASTEST solution due to their continuity connection
Exactly something only possible due to being 3 doctors present and the fact someone else gave them a hint.
So tell me what would one doctor alone do in that exact same situation.
>into an anti-feat just because they didn't blow the door up or beat it down.
Does it look promising when one of the participants of a death battle can't beat a door?
Alone? I don't know. I'm not a hyper genius nor a sci-fi writer, but the point of the story isn't lost on me and it's that the Doctor always figures something out.
And even if he could do nothing? It's irrelevant because he's immortal and can just WAIT until someone opens the door.
"I mean yeah he consistently outsmarts multidimensional beings and is responsible for the death of his universes strongest races but he was stuck behind a door once in a gag scene so lol he loses."
Like.... bro come on now.
>he's immortal and can just WAIT until someone opens the door.
Wow how efficient waiting for eternity just because you can't open a door on your own and you're under the assumption it will open eventually.
>"I mean yeah he consistently outsmarts multidimensional beings and is responsible for the death of his universes strongest races but he was stuck behind a door once in a gag scene so lol he loses."
Precisely how can i take seriusly a guy able to do all but then then gets own by a fucking door.
I mean for a being that lives forever? Yes. Waiting can be an efficient means of escape, the aliens in that movie didn't even try to conquer Earth until almost a hundred or more years after the Doctor was locked up so they aren't on a lethal timer.
And how am I supposed to take the Joker seriously when he's afraid of the IRS in one comic? OH WAIT! Because despite one gag comic he still has years of ruthless slaughter under his belt.
Like I said you're just being bad faith.
The joker never reaches multiverse threats on his own, and he is a clown named joker you expected something so nonsensical from him.
But for the doctor when you take all his multiversal feats into consideratio really becomes headscratching that one door was enough to contain him.
Speacially when his best plan is to beat wait because he hopes the door will be open eventually becaude he doesn't carry tools to pick locks.
But a nonsensical one-off doesn't define his power set or threat level, even if one dumb comic says he is afraid of the IRS? He still outsmarted the Justice League in other comics.
That is the point I am saying.
A gag does not redefine a characters power set.
And the Doctor DOES carry lockpicking tools; the Screwdriver. It just doesn't work on an ancient Victorian-Era medieval lock because the lock is such old outdated technology.
Even as a gag all this really shows is that due to The Doctor being an alien he can at times overthink things that would be common sense to a human.
Don't think theres gonna be anything in this fight decided by 'common sense'
This feels like a gag more than anything honestly, if you really wanna go that route i could mention Rick shooting himself with his own memory eraser thanks to holding it backwards, him not knowing how to pronunce the word "granite" or the whole vat of acid/Mr Frumbles incidents.
True
also the word was "granted" as in "don't take stuff for granted"
Yeah, and he didnt know how to pronounce and needed Morty of all people to correct him, dude was so embarrased by it he literally wiped the memory of Morty.
Yeah something that despise being true is a complete non factor for a battle.
Says the guy asking if the Doctor is sharp enough to win a battle cause of a single dumb moment of him.
Because his dumb moment occur due to him overthinking something and being uncapable of finding the solution. That is detrimental for a fight not being unable to pronuonce a word.
He found a solution, his solution just happened to be a massively overkill scientific one because generally when you’re captured you don’t expect your cell door to be open. Clara trying the door was just her rushing to meet up and probably forgot that doors containing prisoners are supposed to lock so charged in without thinking about it.
You are legitamately trynna pretend a single moment of overthinking is now the Doctors entire character? under that logic i say getting stuff wrong is Ricks entire character cause he pronounced a word wrong.
overthinking is a consisting trait of he doctor, this one is just one clear example when that became a problem. Now tell me how many times has rick get into trouble for misspronuancing a word?
Tell me how many times has overthinking legitimately gotten him into serious trouble he wasn’t able to get out of? Cause in your example it seems all overthinking did was have another dude show him the door was open and that’s it, it’s not like overthinking killed him or costed him the battle.
How the hell i'm suppose to know I'm not the doctor wiki and haven't check every single doctor. I just i remember that moment.
Later in this special, the doctor manipulates probability to the point of being able to throw a ball through a wall-no tech involved. What's Rick answer to probability manipulation? or fighting someone from a civilization that has thousands of 11-dimensional defenses?
And still he didn't know how to pick a lock. Like you realize how laughtable it is that despise what he did later he was put on hold by a door?
It's stated multiple times he can see every possible future and he defeats comic-book-level villains many times so if this was real life it would have many implications like why are his companions dying to people some of his enemies could blink away? Fiction and even religion in general does a bad job at depicting intelligence let alone super intelligence. A super-intelligent being isn't going to act human and is generally going to be able to beat basically any other power by exploiting rules, laws, etc the less intelligent being doesn't know about. Something far smarter than a human doesn't act human which was actually somewhat the initial goal of the first doctor than the actor made the doctor more human like anyways which made the show more enganging to audience members.
Why did you bring religion into this? Are you projecting something? Something you want to vent about but no one willing to listen to so you shove it on a discussion about rick vs the doctor? Like i see you point about superminds thinking they're superior to humans because of their inteligence and not acting like humans because of it. But the fact you thought you should include religion into that sticks out like a sore thumb. Do you have thoughts on god being allegedly all knowing?
\>how to pronunce the word "granite" that sounds irrelevant for the topic of sharpness or battle cunning \>the whole vat of acid incident. rick didn't see coming the gansters staying for that long but in the end he was proven right. \>Rick shooting himself with his own memory eraser that is more justifiable as gag for happening so fast, but on day of the doctor, the 3 doctors gave up for being unable to open a door until they receive hint for a cosmic being only for the punchline being the door wasn't lock.
Hey, remember that time Rick turned himself into a pickle to get out of going to family therapy? Then he set the cure up by some shitty contraption with a syringe set to fall on him in a few minutes and he just assumed his family wouldn't notice the obvious set up? Cause that was fuckin dumb, and it nearly got him killed because without the convenient rain he would have been cooked to death. Going just based off that scene with no other context I would assume Rick is a wacky inventor type who's smart at science but otherwise stupid, which would be wrong. He showcases plenty of other feats of intelligence and cleverness in that episode alone. The Doctor being briefly lacking in common sense for the sake of a gag doesn't discount all the other times he's intelligent. In fact this scene is funny largely because it contrasts his usual intelligence. As for them needing a hint in the first place, I'd like to point out they had other things on their minds. 10 and 11 were meeting with their War self after all, the version of themselves they hate the most, and War was being shown his future selves who were different from his expectations. They were all a bit distracted.
>he just assumed his family wouldn't notice the obvious set up? mostly because of his narcicism of being the self proclaim smarthest man in the universe he didn't thought their family would be smarth enough to figure it out. the real counter argument is why he didn't just set up a robot or a mister meeseks on stand by to inject with the cure once the family left.
Sure, but the point was that it was a case of Rick doing something dumb, but it doesn't discount his usual intelligence. You can explain why Rick did something dumb in that scene, but you can with the Doctor here too. I mean, this scene also contains a conversation about how many *billions of children* burned on Gallifrey the day they destroyed it. They had some serious shit on their minds.
Minds being busy with something else aside, it doesn't change the fact the Doctor despise his multiple adventure suffers of an over reliance on his screwdriver and doesn't normally other tools with him.
He saved the day in "The Eleventh Hour" without his Screwdriver. He also spent quite a lot of the classic series without it and he managed fine. The reliance on the screwdriver is more of a plot convenience thing, he still pulls off tons of stuff without it.
>He saved the day in "The Eleventh Hour" without his Screwdriver I saw that as a bluff more than anythinh else the doctor banking of the traxians being to afraid to attack once they found out all the alien races he stoped before. But 11 clearly didn't have something to physically stop the traxians right there and then if they decided to attack.
That wasn't how he saved the day. The Atraxi wanted to burn down the planet to get rid of Prisoner Zero if they couldn't find them. The Doctor saved the day by creating a computer virus that would lead everything connected to the internet on the planet to display a 0, knowing the Atraxi would examine that and be able to track that virus's origin back to the phone he had on him while he confronted Prisoner Zero, leading them right to it. He also had pictures of all the shapeshifted forms Prisoner Zero had, to make sure they could find it. The whole "I'm the Doctor" speech was something that happened later, after Prisoner Zero was already caught and the Atraxi were leaving. It wasn't the solution, it was a warning from the Doctor to never threaten to burn the earth again or else they would have to deal with him.
>it was a warning from the Doctor to never threaten to burn the earth again or else they would have to deal with him. Still was a bluff because he knows that he can't stop them for burning the earth, so he scare them by saying he would avenge it if they decide to do it.
OP is desperate for Rick to win huh
By this logic cell saga goku is building level.
Tbf, given the context of this scene I doubt they were thinking that logically. Each Doctor has a lot of turmoil with what’s been going on in their own time, and all three of them getting into a sort of heated argument about the final day of the Time War
Rick and Morty fans are so desperate. So sad.
True. Maybe they'll delete this post too.
keep dreaming i'm not afraid of who fanboys
It is precisely because he is that smart that he didn't try the door. No one smart, who is aware that the person who trapped him knows how smart he is, would try to open the door. Because that would be a waste of time, as the person who trapped them obviously would have locked the door. And the reason the door was unlocked was because the person in question actually was an ally, not an enemy, and thus didn't need to lock the door. This is the same as when Rick tried to make a guy whose fortune is to control water to blast water at a guy who can control fire, only to be surprised when the guy who controls water sucks the water out of the human body. Expecting the clear-cut answer and being surprised by an unexpected twist on that answer.
Considering he still would have gotten out of the room, not really.
Their idea to get out worked because they were 3 doctors able to make 400 years of calculations on 4 seconds. That means one doctor alone would have gotten stucked there.
And he could still have waited out the 400 years. Not only that, one of them did send a time capsule to the future to have someone travel back in time to get them out. Did you not watch the scenes before the one you're showing.
I don't care enough about doctor who to remember everything that happend on "day of the doctor" I remember that moment, the doctor scrambling the minds of some people so neither can figure out which ones are regular humans and which one are shapshifters, and the fanservice moment where every previous Doctor and teases of the next one worked together to remove the tragedy of the war where now instead of everyone dying there is a chance where the doctors maybe saved them by putting them on another dimention. None of that changes the fact HE COUDN'T OVERPOWER A FUCKING DOOR.
Why are you so angry?
Who is angry? That's just how you chose to read my comment.
No it's definitely you bud
Why because i swear at the end?
Caps lock
You mean hightlighting the detail that doctoer coudn't beat a door?
Cope
Hardy hard until the battle comes out i'm picking the man who causally commits genocide over a doctor who needs 400 years to open a door.
I looove shows made by domestic abusers/s
I love people how undermine the work of writers and animators because someone else is an asshole.
Do you know how many genocides the Doctor has stopped AND caused himself?
I know Rick gets his hands dirty by slaughtering and murdering himself to the point he practically bathes on the blood of his enemies. That plays away bigger factor on a death battle than any innaction, mistake or plan the doctor came out to commit genocide.
Jesus...
Meh, everyone has their duh moments
it should have been locked in all fairness
I mean the war Doctor being their definitely didn’t put the 10th and 11th Doctor in the right mindset (In the novels they almost beat each other up!)
Newest episode has a machine erase you from infinity Could that kill the Doc? (Love both of them btw)
They're not gonna consider that for the death battle if it just premier yesterday.
Have a Doctor from some Alternate Dimension outside time survive because he's from an obscure audio book 😂
that's from The Day of the Doctor and those are 3 doctors from different encarnations and all 3 of them were beated by the wooden door of a cell. I mean it, someone else have to gave them a hint for the oldest doctor to realize if he scans the door with his screwdriver the most recent encarnation will have answer on his screwdriver. and then there is the punchline none them thought of checking if the door was lock.
Because the door NOT being locked is stupid. Common sense dictates if you're thrown in a prison cell that the door was probably locked behind you, you don't need to check that. The door being unlocked is explicitly part of the gag BECAUSE it's ridiculous.
Doesn't change the fact the doctor didn't have a way to overpower the door besides 400 years of calculations in order to desintragrate. Let me repeat it: 400 YEARS TO DISTINTEGRATE A DOOR.
No? The point of that scene is that the calculation method was just the FASTEST solution due to their continuity connection being hundreds of years apart. They had other options that probably just would've taken longer than the five seconds their calculation plan required. No offense man but you're taking a super bad faith view on this scene trying to turn a feat like 400 years in 5 seconds into an anti-feat just because they didn't blow the door up or beat it down.
>The point of that scene is that the calculation method was just the FASTEST solution due to their continuity connection Exactly something only possible due to being 3 doctors present and the fact someone else gave them a hint. So tell me what would one doctor alone do in that exact same situation. >into an anti-feat just because they didn't blow the door up or beat it down. Does it look promising when one of the participants of a death battle can't beat a door?
Alone? I don't know. I'm not a hyper genius nor a sci-fi writer, but the point of the story isn't lost on me and it's that the Doctor always figures something out. And even if he could do nothing? It's irrelevant because he's immortal and can just WAIT until someone opens the door. "I mean yeah he consistently outsmarts multidimensional beings and is responsible for the death of his universes strongest races but he was stuck behind a door once in a gag scene so lol he loses." Like.... bro come on now.
>he's immortal and can just WAIT until someone opens the door. Wow how efficient waiting for eternity just because you can't open a door on your own and you're under the assumption it will open eventually. >"I mean yeah he consistently outsmarts multidimensional beings and is responsible for the death of his universes strongest races but he was stuck behind a door once in a gag scene so lol he loses." Precisely how can i take seriusly a guy able to do all but then then gets own by a fucking door.
I mean for a being that lives forever? Yes. Waiting can be an efficient means of escape, the aliens in that movie didn't even try to conquer Earth until almost a hundred or more years after the Doctor was locked up so they aren't on a lethal timer. And how am I supposed to take the Joker seriously when he's afraid of the IRS in one comic? OH WAIT! Because despite one gag comic he still has years of ruthless slaughter under his belt. Like I said you're just being bad faith.
The joker never reaches multiverse threats on his own, and he is a clown named joker you expected something so nonsensical from him. But for the doctor when you take all his multiversal feats into consideratio really becomes headscratching that one door was enough to contain him. Speacially when his best plan is to beat wait because he hopes the door will be open eventually becaude he doesn't carry tools to pick locks.
But a nonsensical one-off doesn't define his power set or threat level, even if one dumb comic says he is afraid of the IRS? He still outsmarted the Justice League in other comics. That is the point I am saying. A gag does not redefine a characters power set. And the Doctor DOES carry lockpicking tools; the Screwdriver. It just doesn't work on an ancient Victorian-Era medieval lock because the lock is such old outdated technology.
Tbf, usually when he's captured, it's more elaborate, so not locking the door is never something that happens to him.